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Corona virus - Covid 19 discussion

Enough of opinions and BS I’ll post what we are all really here for, even my close mate @cncas2123

corona cooking with stud playford..

I got far too much food here btw, already had 3 plates worth.

was lemon pilau, x2
Onion bhajis, pakora, veg samosas.

butter chicken (done desi style)

Bombay potatoes with spinach.

and x3 tandoori naans...

to drink... Stella, corona and one jack and coke.
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You're serious? Army on the streets? We're not North Korea.

I say it again, this and every other Western Government had to way up so many factors and find a middle ground between doing nothing and the other extreme of imprisoning everybody in their home.

Are you serious? Comparing our Army to North Korea's? :) I was merely saying that we had the man-power and resources following you saying we didnt.

Our Army have been deployed in Britain in times of Emergency before with great success.

It would have only had to happen once and people would have thought twice about going for a party or whatever else they shouldnt have been doing.

It wouldnt have come to that anyway. Clear message and enforcement of that action. A Police presence and reporting of arrested/fined on the news would have sufficed.

Do you think we did well then with what we did? If not what would you have done different?
 
Anybody else wonder why the UK is still getting high infection and death figures over 6 weeks after the Xmas relaxation of
the restrictions,who and where are the people still spreading infections bearing in mind schools are shut and we have bèen lockdown
all this year, just seems bit oďd.
I know the figures are dropping slowly but part of that must be the effect of the vaccination program
starting to kick in, logically there must still be widespread contact and lack of social distancing in certain places
or its still being brought into the country from abroad
What relaxation. We have been all but locked down since October, proving that lockdown has caused the winter spike and the hideous deaths.

Oh wait, maybe its not the lockdown, maybe its what winter viruses do every winter!!

As kim symms would say, dont be too blind to see it
 
I disagree, did you see what happened in Wuhan when they did a proper lockdown for a month? A city of 11 million people and it was virtually eradicated?
How about New Zealand, 5 million people and no Covid, people getting on with their day to day lives.
Australia's 25 million people are getting on with things, mostly, because they locked down and people had to adhere to it.
Nothing to do with BAME, its to do with lock downs being real lock downs not something where most people go about life as normal anyway.
Yeah, because not only is our lockdown against our human rights laws, welding doors shut is just Nazi level abuse.
 
Yeah, because not only is our lockdown against our human rights laws, welding doors shut is just Nazi level abuse.
Easy with the nazi comparisons pal, as you know I agree with lots of what you say but nazi like isn’t a level or a word that should be just banded about pal
 
What relaxation. We have been all but locked down since October, proving that lockdown has caused the winter spike and the hideous deaths.

Oh wait, maybe its not the lockdown, maybe its what winter viruses do every winter!!

As kim symms would say, dont be too blind to see it
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Regent Street 5th December

Yeah really locked down.
 
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was in lockdown.

Not:

Go out if you fancy it for a walk to see whats going on.
Pop up the shops because you forgot to get a lottery ticket
Pop round your pals because your bored
etc etc etc

What we did:

Said were on lockdown but you can do this and you can do that and if your wearing red on a Wednesday and live in area with a R rating of 0.9 you can mingle in a 4.5 person bubble with or without face masks and your children can go back in a bubble but you must pass every parent on the way in and out whilst forming a Covid congregation at the school gate.

We failed. We didnt lockdown even though that was the strategy.

IOM did and look what happened...go IOM!

Peace out, love to y'all even you remainers and lockdown flaunters
 
Go out if you fancy it for a walk to see whats going on.
Pop up the shops because you forgot to get a lottery ticket
Pop round your pals because your bored
etc etc etc

And that is somehow the Government's fault? I can't remember them ever saying we could do that.

Or maybe we should have done what Wuhan did:

To contain the spread of the coronavirus, the Chinese government, from late January to early April 2020, imposed draconian measures to restrict movement in Wuhan, a city of 11 million people, by suspending planes and trains leaving the city, and buses, subways, and ferries within it. In July and August, authorities imposed similar restrictions on millions of residents in the northwest region of Xinjiang after identifying hundreds of infections.

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Chinese authorities committed abuses under the pretext of Covid-19 lockdowns, Human Rights Watch said. Officials were seen
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traditional Chinese medicines.

Well it worked for them so why not hey
 
Describe a complete lock down....... just like Wuhan?
I would say more like the NZ or Australian versions, no incoming travellers, not intercity or inter county travel, leaving home for essentials and exercise, a small discomfort for a long term benefit.
I think our parents/grandparents/great grandparents put up with worse back in the day when they had to endure years of war to give us the human rights we have today.
 
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Regent Street 5th December

Yeah really locked down.
That could be Sweden, any month you choose. They have suffered less deaths per 100k population, no immoral lockdown, and no mental health crisis, and businesses arnt crashing and burning.

I hate covid as much as anyone, but the way we are dealing with it is not reducing deaths, but also causing shot, medium and long term damage, and will kill many more people overall.
 
Really dont know where we would be heading now if wasnt for the vaccination program, we have never had a proper lockdown,
the first one was the most strict when I was actually stopped by a policeman and warned for doing nothing wrong.
Poiice seem invisible now,groups of kids everywhere no distancing, no masks.
I do think the government have partly redeemed themselves for a year of massive cocks up by managing to get 15million vaccinations
done, anyone who has been jabbed cant fail to be impressed by way its being organized.
 
That could be Sweden, any month you choose. They have suffered less deaths per 100k population, no immoral lockdown, and no mental health crisis, and businesses arnt crashing and burning.

I hate covid as much as anyone, but the way we are dealing with it is not reducing deaths, but also causing shot, medium and long term damage, and will kill many more people overall.
Right, but it's not Sweden in any month. It's the UK in December, when you said we were in a lockdown and there wasn't a relaxation of the rules.

Stop banging on about Sweden you plank, their rates are shit too.
Norway and Denmark had lockdowns, deaths per 100000 you say?

Sweden 118.75
Norway 10.92
Denmark 38.17

Asked you before for evidence of the 'mental health crisis', ie actual figures not someone trying to get media attention. You haven't supplied any. You said suicides were up 300% which they aren't. You keep saying lockdowns and mask wearing are against human rights,, but never actually say which section. Why do you insist on lying constantly?

How is the lockdown not working? Every single figure has dropped since it started. Not reducing deaths? WTF is wrong with you, they are half what they were a month ago. How is that not a reduction?
 
And that is somehow the Government's fault? I can't remember them ever saying we could do that.

Their our leaders, of course its their fault - its always the managements or leaderships fault.

They deliver the message, the plan and guide the direction through disciplinary action if necessary for the protection of the people. All of which were done poorly.

Anyway, I can see we are never going to agree. We have very different opinions of our government, our rules and how we think things should be done. And i respect that.

I was merely pointing out that you were wrong when you said we didnt have the resources.
 
Go out if you fancy it for a walk to see whats going on.
Pop up the shops because you forgot to get a lottery ticket
Pop round your pals because your bored
etc etc etc

What we did:

Said were on lockdown but you can do this and you can do that and if your wearing red on a Wednesday and live in area with a R rating of 0.9 you can mingle in a 4.5 person bubble with or without face masks and your children can go back in a bubble but you must pass every parent on the way in and out whilst forming a Covid congregation at the school gate.

We failed. We didnt lockdown even though that was the strategy.

IOM did and look what happened...go IOM!

Peace out, love to y'all even you remainers and lockdown flaunters

This is one of the things I was getting at bamber with my 'going to the pub' post, albeit I worded it very clumsily and in completely the wrong way (and I repeat my apology for that).

Even the original lockdown in the UK was holed below the waterline by the Cummings/Barnard Castle affair and the sight of a load of prominent Tories trotting out the party line that he was 'just being a good father'. Police forces up and down the country reported that was when they lost the ability to police the lockdown, and the whole thing became a joke/meme, 'I'm just testing my eyesight officer'.

The fact Cummings wasn't out on his arse the very next day, in a way, says everything we need to know about the UK government when it comes to Covid.

Add in the incredibly inconsistent messaging and obvious policy-making on the fly and in a completely reactive manner, chasing headlines and good news stories rather than following the science, and you've got a recipe for disaster. 'Eat out to help out' reseeded the virus up and down the country and gave Covid a massive second wind, the mixing over Christmas because Johnson wanted to be seen to 'Save Christmas from the eggheads', which has led to the utter catastrophe of hospitalisations and deaths throughout January and February.

There are so many examples of stuff like that, things the UK government had direct control over and time and time again, it made the wrong call, gave out the wrong message, and gave Covid a chance to continue to spread and thrive. (And lest we forget they kept the borders open during the first wave, tens of thousands of people from all over the world entering the county and just dispersing out into the population. London only remained a 'transport hub' because the UK government allowed it to do so.)

So yes, you're right, the lockdown over here was EXPLAINED, it was ENFORCED, it was OBSERVED, there was a CLEARLY STATED PLAN of what the goal was and what the CRITERIA WERE FOR IT ENDING.

The science on this is absolutely irrefutable, the virus can only spread via human contact, so by reducing that to the absolute bare minimum possible, which is achieved through a strict lockdown where everyone plays by the rules, it can be reduced and ultimately eliminated.
 
Their our leaders, of course its their fault - its always the managements or leaderships fault.

They deliver the message, the plan and guide the direction through disciplinary action if necessary for the protection of the people. All of which were done poorly.

Anyway, I can see we are never going to agree. We have very different opinions of our government, our rules and how we think things should be done. And i respect that.

I was merely pointing out that you were wrong when you said we didnt have the resources.

Well that is the typical response you get these days. Always somebody else fault rather than taking responsibility for your own actions. Guidance was pretty clear, yet quite a few thought they didn't have to abide by the rules.

Back in the real world, there is already a shortage of police as it is, so adding Cornavirus policing was never going to work. The army on the street is not an option either as the majority are not trained in policing duties.
 
This is one of the things I was getting at bamber with my 'going to the pub' post, albeit I worded it very clumsily and in completely the wrong way (and I repeat my apology for that).

Even the original lockdown in the UK was holed below the waterline by the Cummings/Barnard Castle affair and the sight of a load of prominent Tories trotting out the party line that he was 'just being a good father'. Police forces up and down the country reported that was when they lost the ability to police the lockdown, and the whole thing became a joke/meme, 'I'm just testing my eyesight officer'.

The fact Cummings wasn't out on his arse the very next day, in a way, says everything we need to know about the UK government when it comes to Covid.

Add in the incredibly inconsistent messaging and obvious policy-making on the fly and in a completely reactive manner, chasing headlines and good news stories rather than following the science, and you've got a recipe for disaster. 'Eat out to help out' reseeded the virus up and down the country and gave Covid a massive second wind, the mixing over Christmas because Johnson wanted to be seen to 'Save Christmas from the eggheads', which has led to the utter catastrophe of hospitalisations and deaths throughout January and February.

There are so many examples of stuff like that, things the UK government had direct control over and time and time again, it made the wrong call, gave out the wrong message, and gave Covid a chance to continue to spread and thrive. (And lest we forget they kept the borders open during the first wave, tens of thousands of people from all over the world entering the county and just dispersing out into the population. London only remained a 'transport hub' because the UK government allowed it to do so.)

So yes, you're right, the lockdown over here was EXPLAINED, it was ENFORCED, it was OBSERVED, there was a CLEARLY STATED PLAN of what the goal was and what the CRITERIA WERE FOR IT ENDING.

The science on this is absolutely irrefutable, the virus can only spread via human contact, so by reducing that to the absolute bare minimum possible, which is achieved through a strict lockdown where everyone plays by the rules, it can be reduced and ultimately eliminated.

And so did all countries of Europe and many across the globe, well apart from the Isle of Man that is far superior than that.

Your hatred of the UK Government is shining through here.
 
Well that is the typical response you get these days. Always somebody else fault rather than taking responsibility for your own actions. Guidance was pretty clear, yet quite a few thought they didn't have to abide by the rules.

Back in the real world, there is already a shortage of police as it is, so adding Cornavirus policing was never going to work. The army on the street is not an option either as the majority are not trained in policing duties.
I completely agree that people have to take personal responsibility, we are all adults and responsible for our behaviour, but action should have been taken when people ran roughshod over the rules, no matter who the person was, and therein lies the problem -too many people thought that the restrictions didnt apply to them and no action was taken against them.
Whats the solution when so many ignore the restrictions? I don't know, but maybe backing up police with army resource should have been considered.
Are we in lockdown three because so many ignored restrictions? Almost certainly yes.
 
Well that is the typical response you get these days. Always somebody else fault rather than taking responsibility for your own actions. Guidance was pretty clear, yet quite a few thought they didn't have to abide by the rules.

Back in the real world, there is already a shortage of police as it is, so adding Cornavirus policing was never going to work. The army on the street is not an option either as the majority are not trained in policing duties.

OK so who made the decision to leave the UK's borders open?

Who made the decision to lockdown too late and against scientific advice?

Who made made the decision to have 'Eat out to help out' and chuck hundreds of millions of pounds of public money at, in essence, getting the virus spreading again?

Who made the decision not to fire Cummings and lose all moral authority at the heart of government?

Who made the decision to outsource Test & Trace at a cost of £12bn and have it fail spectacularly?

Who made the decision not to fund support for people to self isolate when they were supposed to?

Who made the decision to allow students to travel to universities all across the UK and get the virus spreading up and down the land?

That's nothing to do with personal responsibility, they are all decisions made (or not made) by the UK government, and they fluffed every single one.
 
And so did all countries of Europe and many across the globe, well apart from the Isle of Man that is far superior than that.

Your hatred of the UK Government is shining through here.

I make no secret of the fact that I think the current UK government is one of the worst administrations in the history of the country.

And honestly? I think there is plenty of evidence to back that up.
 
The science on this is absolutely irrefutable, the virus can only spread via human contact, so by reducing that to the absolute bare minimum possible, which is achieved through a strict lockdown where everyone plays by the rules, it can be reduced and ultimately eliminated.

Are you saying it's irrefutable science that the virus can be eliminated via strict lockdowns (and vaccines presumably?), if so how long would that process take?
 
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OK so who made the decision to leave the UK's borders open?

Who made the decision to lockdown too late and against scientific advice?

Who made made the decision to have 'Eat out to help out' and chuck hundreds of millions of pounds of public money at, in essence, getting the virus spreading again?

Who made the decision not to fire Cummings and lose all moral authority at the heart of government?

Who made the decision to outsource Test & Trace at a cost of £12bn and have it fail spectacularly?

Who made the decision not to fund support for people to self isolate when they were supposed to?

Who made the decision to allow students to travel to universities all across the UK and get the virus spreading up and down the land?

That's nothing to do with personal responsibility, they are all decisions made (or not made) by the UK government, and they fluffed every single one.

Hmmm..... I was responding to individual people ignoring Government advise and Bamber saying that it is the Governments fault.

The Government had to way up all sorts and made decisions that with the benefit of hindsight could have been made better.

But as you come across as some kind of expert, perhaps you should join the Government and point them in the right direction
 
Are you saying it's irrefutable science that the virus can be eliminated via lockdowns (and vaccines presumably?), if so how long would that process take?

Yes, we've done it here, twice.

It might get in again at some point, our borders are heavily restricted but not completely sealed, island residents can now travel again as long as they self-isolate upon their return, key workers can still travel, and travel for medical reasons is allowed too. (There are some treatments we can't perform at our hospitals that people have to travel to the UK for.)

As it stands there is zero Covid circulating on the IOM, if we closed our borders, as in totally closed them, that would be it, we'd remain Covid-free forever. That's a simple fact. In reality of course there is no such thing as a completely closed border, so there is the risk it will get back in again. If it manages to spread, we'll have another lockdown to get rid of it again.

The virus can only exist in a host for so long, either our immune system beats it off, or it kills us, once either of those two things has happened, the virus ceases to exist in that single host, if it has not managed to spread to anyone else, it has ceased to exist in that person and there is no chain of onward infection.

We simply scaled that out to the entire population of the island, after 21 days of no community spread, we declared 'local elimination' of the virus, and the lockdown was lifted.

We're currently at Border Level 4, there are two higher levels that can be used (and indeed were used during the lockdowns).

It's easy to see how border controls are essential to our plan to remain Covid-free, and therefore it's also easy to see how hard the UK government failed at this most basic of requirements all through the last year, and only in the last week has finally put mandatory isolation into the border rules for the UK.

Australia closed their borders hard and early, and look where they are now.

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Yes, we've done it here, twice.

It might get in again at some point, our borders are heavily restricted but not completely sealed, island residents can now travel again as long as they self-isolate upon their return, key workers can still travel, and travel for medical reasons is allowed too. (There are some treatments we can't perform at our hospitals that people have to travel to the UK for.)

As it stands there is zero Covid circulating on the IOM, if we closed our borders, as in totally closed them, that would be it, we'd remain Covid-free forever. That's a simple fact. In reality of course there is no such thing as a completely closed border, so there is the risk it will get back in again. If it manages to spread, we'll have another lockdown to get rid of it again.

The virus can only exist in a host for so long, either our immune system beats it off, or it kills us, once either of those two things has happened, the virus ceases to exist in that single host, if it has not managed to spread to anyone else, it has ceased to exist in that person and there is no chain of onward infection.

We simply scaled that out to the entire population of the island, after 21 days of no community spread, we declared 'local elimination' of the virus, and the lockdown was lifted.

We're currently at Border Level 4, there are two higher levels that can be used (and indeed were used during the lockdowns).

It's easy to see how border controls are essential to our plan to remain Covid-free, and therefore it's also easy to see how hard the UK government failed at this most basic of requirements all through the last year, and only in the last week has finally put mandatory isolation into the border rules for the UK.

Australia closed their borders hard and early, and look where they are now.

I was thinking on the large global scale, the virus pandemic started with one case, I just can't see this virus disappearing from the biosphere, I think there is a good chance it will carry on mutating to survive.

I saw yesterday S.korea is now testing pets, so it could mutate in that direction so it can infect them and have a new host?
 
They are well behind the curve with regards vaccinations (I don't think they haven't even started yet), just like the UK Government was slow closing the borders I guess.

I guess when your numbers look like this out of a population of over 25 million people, you can afford to be a bit behind the curve on vaccinations.

That said, it is true the UK has done well on vaccination acquisition - (albeit apparently because Matt Hancock watched 'Contagion' and realised there'd be a global rush for vaccines) - although in terms of the roll out of vaccinations it's the NHS that really deserves the credit, it makes you wonder how much better Track & Trace might have gone if they'd used public bodies rather than farming it out to their mates at a cost of £21bn quid.

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I guess when your numbers look like this out of a population of over 25 million people, you can afford to be a bit behind the curve on vaccinations.

That said, it is true the UK has done well on vaccination acquisition

You could have just left it at that you know..... but nope yet another dig......
 
I was merely pointing out that you were wrong when you said we didnt have the resources.

And even if the resource was there, you will have twats that don't respect it. I bet you now that this wouldn't have happened in China or some other dictorial country:



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Yeah let's just blame the Government.
 
Yeah let's just blame the Government.

The two things aren't mutually exclusive.

It's entirely possible for some members of the public to be absolute twats AND the UK government being useless at the same time.

I gave a decent sized list a few posts back of things that were entirely in the government's control, and they stuffed every single one of them up. Karen from Facebook being a pain in the arse about wearing a mask or whatever is an entirely separate matter, and she wouldn't have had much influence over closing the UK's borders in a timely fashion.

So yes, let's blame the government for things that were its fault, whilst also calling out arseholes for acting like arseholes.
 
The two things aren't mutually exclusive.

It's entirely possible for some members of the public to be absolute twats AND the UK government being useless at the same time.

I gave a decent sized list a few posts back of things that were entirely in the government's control, and they stuffed every single one of them up. Karen from Facebook being a pain in the arse about wearing a mask or whatever is an entirely separate matter, and she wouldn't have had much influence over closing the UK's borders in a timely fashion.

So yes, let's blame the government for things that were its fault, whilst also calling out arseholes for acting like arseholes.

So how do you suggest lockdowns are enforced then in this country.
 
The two things aren't mutually exclusive.

It's entirely possible for some members of the public to be absolute twats AND the UK government being useless at the same time.

I gave a decent sized list a few posts back of things that were entirely in the government's control, and they stuffed every single one of them up. Karen from Facebook being a pain in the arse about wearing a mask or whatever is an entirely separate matter, and she wouldn't have had much influence over closing the UK's borders in a timely fashion.

So yes, let's blame the government for things that were its fault, whilst also calling out arseholes for acting like arseholes.
Still waiting to find out if these vaccinations the IOM are recieving thru the NHS supply chain are being paid for by the IOM government or the UK tax payer????
Since you seem to know all maybe u could answer the above question??
 
Still waiting to find out if these vaccinations the IOM are recieving thru the NHS supply chain are being paid for by the IOM government or the UK tax payer????
Since you seem to know all maybe u could answer the above question??

As I understand it the IOM has not been charged for its vaccine allocation.

We have a reciprocal healthcare agreement with the UK and have done for many years, the details are here.

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TL-DR is we basically agree not to charge each other for NHS treatments, there was a bit of arguing about it back in 2010 but after they crunched the numbers they realised it really wasn't worth squabbling over as it kind of works out equal in both directions.

This means that if you come to the IOM from the UK on a visit or on holiday or whatever, you don't need any health insurance, and the same applies for IOM residents in the UK.

The current agreement has been running since 2010 (and there was one before that too), neither side has seen fit to revisit it.

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So how do you suggest lockdowns are enforced then in this country.

In honesty I'm not even sure it'd be possible now, at least not without resort to desperate measures such as backing up the police with some sort of army presence, after nearly a year of living under restrictions of one form or another, so many people have just well and truly had enough of it and I'm not convinced there's a good way to do it.

And that's not just the UK either of course, many other countries around the world have similar problems, it could well be that mass vaccination programmes, probably on a rolling basis to counter new variants as they emerge, are about the only route left back to normality at this point.

That said, the current UK lockdown, as flawed as it is, is starting to get the numbers down, so it is working in that regard, but as was the case previously, it's starting from such a phenomenally high infection rate that it takes a long time for it to have an effect.

(The opportunity the UK had to get well and truly on top of Covid was last summer, when infection rates were low, an effective track and trace system at that point was critical, but it was completely bungled. Also it would have been handy not to do, and let's just consider this for a moment, encouraging people with freebies to go out to pubs and restaurants and 'eat out to help out' in the middle of a fucking pandemic. It did help of course, but what it helped with was sowing the seeds of a second wave and getting infections going again, as well as sending an incredibly muddled and confusing message.)

One thing that could be done, I guess, is to make it viable for people to self-isolate when they're supposed to with extra financial assistance. If people are having to choose between earning money for rent and food, or isolating because they're supposed to, you can't really blame them for choosing rent and food and continuing to work despite having symptoms, or deliberately not getting tested. There are always going to be those who will wilfully disobey lockdown restrictions, and they're the ones the police should be dealing with, people who are simply trying to survive is a whole different thing, and that's where government support needs to be available.

As I said a few posts back, the virus can only spread through human contact, stop people moving around and you stop the virus moving around, and thus infecting people. If people are moving around because they HAVE to (i.e. working to make ends meet because they have no other option) then we can't really blame them.

Other countries in the world have managed this, Australia is a first world democracy, with some densely populated cities, and an overall population of over 25m, and they had TWO CASES in the last 24 hours - so there are answers out there.

(The border changes the UK government has implemented in the last week should help too, I mean, they're pretty much a year late, but they've got there in the end.)
 
Todays figures for the UK

Lowest infections since October
Earlier this year there were 80000 infections per day, 10k now, were 1300 deaths per day, 258 today
R rate under 1 for the first time since July
All the other figures massively down too

10,972 cases in the UK. -4,873
258 deaths in the UK. -115
1,715 patients admitted to hospital in the UK. -617
23,341 patients in hospital in the UK. -5,985
2,943 patients on ventilation in the UK. -562
 
It's good to see the numbers coming down but unfortunately they're having to drop from an almost unimaginably high starting point, but it does once against demonstrate that a lockdown will get the numbers down, however unpleasant they are.
 
It's good to see the numbers coming down but unfortunately they're having to drop from an almost unimaginably high starting point, but it does once against demonstrate that a lockdown will get the numbers down, however unpleasant they are.
Nothing to do with lockdown, its just nature doing its thing. All lockdown is doing is destroying society bit by bit.

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Nothing to do with lockdown, its just nature doing its thing. All lockdown is doing is destroying society bit by bit.

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Isn't it funny that the 'proof' you show for anything ALWAYS misses things off.
Lets look at the figures with us, Sweden and the 2 countries that are most like Sweden. Guess which country is the only one not to lockdown, and currently has the worst figures out the four.

It also shows Sweden have consistently been worse than it's neighbours, and, apart from the 3 times we went into lockdown, worse than us too.

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Nothing to do with lockdown, its just nature doing its thing. All lockdown is doing is destroying society bit by bit.

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What use is that graph? There's a massive lag between infection, infections managing to spread, getting ill, hospitalisation and dying.

Colin's graph above is the one actually demonstrates the effect the lockdown is having.
 
Knackered today, turned up on site in manchester..

was meant to be in Wigan (lad driving was a head the ball)

got back to my digs about 6, (been up since half 4)

spoke to my daughter who requested a Shetland pony, then a takeaway for tomoz night..

so after my shower I cooked dynamite (stagg chilli) and rice..

also have some Pitta’s out of sight..

just relaxing now watching bloodsport, the classic van Damme version..

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