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Lol Ben....I’m looking forward to more well lit photos!
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Tikka chicken.
home made (well in my work house)
all peppers, onions, garlic and extra chilli.
basmati rice and some garlic bread
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I’m sure that’s a screen shot of an old phone or you need to change your diet you eat the same... how should I put it? Shite!
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Humour a fine thing isn’t it BenI’m sure that’s a screen shot of an old phone or you need to change your diet you eat the same... how should I put it? Shite!
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Let’s see your best whilst at work then pal..I’m sure that’s a screen shot of an old phone or you need to change your diet you eat the same... how should I put it? Shite!
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Sorry to bore you yet again with the tale of a friends daughter who contracted covid at school, gave it to all the family,
they all got through it including the 82 yo grandmother.That was a month or so ago.
The Grandmother is being cremated on Monday, covid related death.The daughter will through no fault of her own have
to live with the fact she caused the death,but the real blame has to lie with Boris and Co,s insistance that schools
were safe.
Disgusted at the quickly removed comments of the black cleric about people clapping for the now sadly
deceased,Sir Tom Moore, a war hero who,at the age,of 100 raised 34 million for the NHS,
the cleric's comments branding those taking part in the clap for Captain Sir Tom Moore "a cult of white British nationalism"
Cant put into words my thoughts on that one
they all got through it including the 82 yo grandmother.That was a month or so ago.
The Grandmother is being cremated on Monday, covid related death.The daughter will through no fault of her own have
to live with the fact she caused the death,but the real blame has to lie with Boris and Co,s insistance that schools
were safe.
Disgusted at the quickly removed comments of the black cleric about people clapping for the now sadly
deceased,Sir Tom Moore, a war hero who,at the age,of 100 raised 34 million for the NHS,
the cleric's comments branding those taking part in the clap for Captain Sir Tom Moore "a cult of white British nationalism"
Cant put into words my thoughts on that one
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Have we conducted a survey about this on this forum? I shall start first. Nope, I wont bother to be vaccinated because
1/ I am over 60
2/ I have a long history of illnesses, high blood pressure, diabetes, stroke, cancer survivor, chronic kidney disease etc. Besides, I had 2 years of immunotherapy and my immune system is already being tampered with lol.
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These activists seeking zero covid at any cost are dangerous to a free/traditional society, this is very serious, the route we are potentially taking our country down.
Permanently changing life in order to battle a virus with an average death rate of about 1 out of a 1000 population ? once the vulnerable are vaccinated that should be enough, and we go back to normal life.
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"In her introductory remarks, the moderator confirmed to the more than 600 registrants and speakers from across the world that “we are here to end Covid through ZeroCovid and CovidZero policies”. More often at the event, held over Zoom and organised by American scientist Yaneer Bar-Yam, speakers preferred to refer to ZeroCovid as an “elimination strategy”.
Yet the purpose of the event was clear: to share evidence and political advice to help campaigners lobby Western governments to abandon any notion of living alongside the virus, and instead to follow the lead of Asia-Pacific nations in aiming to eliminate the disease entirely within their borders. This group is crucially distinct from people who support ongoing lockdown measures to suppress the virus to a level where it is safe to reopen — for ZeroCovid believers, we cannot rest until that level is zero.
The campaigners are, for the most part, an impressive, sincere and eloquent group. Many of them are young, telegenic and skilled communicators. But there was a mood — a unanimity of world view — that was unsettling; a fusion of overt progressive-Left politics with an ironclad certainty about their interpretation of the science. They referred to people who disagreed with them as needing to be “educated”: “deniers”, “right-wingers”, “conspiracy theorists”, or, perhaps lowest of all, “herd immunity apologists”.
The speakers all agreed on one central tactic: to be successful, ZeroCoviders must present themselves, counter-intuitively, as being anti-lockdown; it is only in order to quit today’s cycle of restrictions, they say, that we need to eliminate the virus completely.
At the moment, the fundamental offer in Western democracies is: accept these awful restrictions now, and the vaccines will soon offer a way out. This means that once deaths and the pressure on the health service are reduced to acceptable levels, people will expect to be able to resume their previous way of life.
But for the ZeroCovider, at that point we would need to do the opposite of relax. Instead, we would need to use ongoing “interventions” and test and trace protocols to drive virus levels even lower — even at a time when there is hardly any Covid about."
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If people are going to say 'what's wrong with zero covid, zero of a bad, wicked thing is surely good?' they can't see the wood for the trees, and the balance between the harms being inflicted. If the vaccine were to get us there, all well and good, but that's enough of a serious, direct measure/intervention to take, surely?
Permanently changing life in order to battle a virus with an average death rate of about 1 out of a 1000 population ? once the vulnerable are vaccinated that should be enough, and we go back to normal life.
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selected portions of the article below:
"In her introductory remarks, the moderator confirmed to the more than 600 registrants and speakers from across the world that “we are here to end Covid through ZeroCovid and CovidZero policies”. More often at the event, held over Zoom and organised by American scientist Yaneer Bar-Yam, speakers preferred to refer to ZeroCovid as an “elimination strategy”.
Yet the purpose of the event was clear: to share evidence and political advice to help campaigners lobby Western governments to abandon any notion of living alongside the virus, and instead to follow the lead of Asia-Pacific nations in aiming to eliminate the disease entirely within their borders. This group is crucially distinct from people who support ongoing lockdown measures to suppress the virus to a level where it is safe to reopen — for ZeroCovid believers, we cannot rest until that level is zero.
The campaigners are, for the most part, an impressive, sincere and eloquent group. Many of them are young, telegenic and skilled communicators. But there was a mood — a unanimity of world view — that was unsettling; a fusion of overt progressive-Left politics with an ironclad certainty about their interpretation of the science. They referred to people who disagreed with them as needing to be “educated”: “deniers”, “right-wingers”, “conspiracy theorists”, or, perhaps lowest of all, “herd immunity apologists”.
The speakers all agreed on one central tactic: to be successful, ZeroCoviders must present themselves, counter-intuitively, as being anti-lockdown; it is only in order to quit today’s cycle of restrictions, they say, that we need to eliminate the virus completely.
At the moment, the fundamental offer in Western democracies is: accept these awful restrictions now, and the vaccines will soon offer a way out. This means that once deaths and the pressure on the health service are reduced to acceptable levels, people will expect to be able to resume their previous way of life.
But for the ZeroCovider, at that point we would need to do the opposite of relax. Instead, we would need to use ongoing “interventions” and test and trace protocols to drive virus levels even lower — even at a time when there is hardly any Covid about."
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If people are going to say 'what's wrong with zero covid, zero of a bad, wicked thing is surely good?' they can't see the wood for the trees, and the balance between the harms being inflicted. If the vaccine were to get us there, all well and good, but that's enough of a serious, direct measure/intervention to take, surely?
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The only way to get zero covid is to shut the whole world down for at least a month. Only people allowed out have to wear a hazmat suit the whole time, and go through decontamination every time they leave wherever they have been. No food deliveries, no food shops open.
The only way to get it in individual countries is to do the same and completely close the borders, then once the rate is zero, only allow essential travel in with extremely strict quarantine conditions.
Neither is going to happen. It's too widespread now, maybe it could have been achievable back in January when the spread was quite low and most countries had infections in double or triple figures, but when they are the 5 figures, I would imagine it would be nigh on impossible to do.
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Daily Mail reporting we might have some sort of normality by May here in the UK, as all over 50's will have been vaccinated before May 6th. I really hope thats the case!
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For the purposes of clarity, this is the fact of the side effects when you take the Covid vaccine, and this in my view is fantastic results from so many vaccinations.
I wonder what the anti-vaxxers will come up with to argue against this.
I wonder what the anti-vaxxers will come up with to argue against this.
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I am not anti vaccines.
But to be fair most people against vaccines are not worried about the side effects on getting the jag. They are more concerned about long term side effects that might not be noticed for years.
Personally i got all the vaccines as a kid i should have, Many believe rightly or wrongly many things like Autism for an example are linked to vaccines.
Anyway i believe the vaccine will be perfectly safe. But noone can say for sure whether it could cause any side effects in years to come as it is a new vaccine.
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As I suggested a month or so ago, it looks like vaccination passports are going to be a thing
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I'm sure someone [not yourself Col] assured me last year this was an unfounded conspiracy theory
...govt is using covid to gain more control over people, vaccines, digital ID and passes gives them this, HCQ and ivermectin, vit d and zinq etc...do not therefore they have been ignored or attacked, 100,000 denied early treatments that would have likely made a difference to some at least.
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Vaccine passports, what did our vaccination tsar say you ask...
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Of course passports are coming, then it will be forced mandatory vaccinations for jobs, air travel, shops, and you will have to scan it to apps like Tinder or you can't use them, just watch.
Forced vaccines are a crime, the UNESCO and Nuremberg code was written when the nazis did experiments on the jews with vaccines.
which many countries are signed up to, so it would never happen again...
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The council of europe, which we are still a member of as it's a separate body to the EU, reiterated the other week that no member states will make vaccines mandatory or employ coercion tactics:
7.3 with respect to ensuring high vaccine uptake:
7.3.1 ensure that citizens are informed that the vaccination is NOT mandatory and that no one is politically, socially, or otherwise pressured to get themselves vaccinated, if they do not wish to do so themselves;
7.3.2 ensure that no one is discriminated against for not having been vaccinated, due to possible health risks or not wanting to be vaccinated;
It is going to be interesting how they get round this, I'm sure there must be some people who for health reasons cannot have the vaccine.
The take-up has been pretty high so far considering it is new type of vaccine either using dna or mRNA, on the news tonight they said there have been 23,000 reactions recorded, but none were serious.
edit: just seen that mhra have said 143 people died shortly after receiving the vaccine but there was no connection, [they were frail/elderly or had underlying health conditions] and 75 cases of facial paralysis - "the number of reports of facial paralysis received so far is similar to the expected natural rate and does not currently suggest an increased risk following the vaccines."
7.3 with respect to ensuring high vaccine uptake:
7.3.1 ensure that citizens are informed that the vaccination is NOT mandatory and that no one is politically, socially, or otherwise pressured to get themselves vaccinated, if they do not wish to do so themselves;
7.3.2 ensure that no one is discriminated against for not having been vaccinated, due to possible health risks or not wanting to be vaccinated;
It is going to be interesting how they get round this, I'm sure there must be some people who for health reasons cannot have the vaccine.
The take-up has been pretty high so far considering it is new type of vaccine either using dna or mRNA, on the news tonight they said there have been 23,000 reactions recorded, but none were serious.
edit: just seen that mhra have said 143 people died shortly after receiving the vaccine but there was no connection, [they were frail/elderly or had underlying health conditions] and 75 cases of facial paralysis - "the number of reports of facial paralysis received so far is similar to the expected natural rate and does not currently suggest an increased risk following the vaccines."
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Not sure what your point is, have the UK announced there will be?
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Where has anyone said there will be forced vaccines? Don't want one, don't have one, don't travel to countries where they require one. Dead simple.Of course passports are coming, then it will be forced mandatory vaccinations for jobs, air travel, shops, and you will have to scan it to apps like Tinder or you can't use them, just watch.
Forced vaccines are a crime, the UNESCO and Nuremberg code was written when the nazis did experiments on the jews with vaccines.
which many countries are signed up to, so it would never happen again...
There won't be anyone left to have one anyway after the 270000000 people die from being in lockdown anyway, still waiting for your link to that though from ages ago, did you just forget to post it?
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Mine was more or less forced.
Boss did not say the exact words but it was a case more or less of "Get jabbed or look for another job" and did not shut up about it for weeks.
The other staff were also very 'cold' towards me leading up to whether I would go at my appointment time and have it done or not, totally changed once I'd given in and not mentioned it since.
I'm usually a stubborn sod and this scenario would make me not give in even more, however I put others first this time such as my Mom in her 70's who I really did not want to pass it on to, just in case n so on.....
Boss did not say the exact words but it was a case more or less of "Get jabbed or look for another job" and did not shut up about it for weeks.
The other staff were also very 'cold' towards me leading up to whether I would go at my appointment time and have it done or not, totally changed once I'd given in and not mentioned it since.
I'm usually a stubborn sod and this scenario would make me not give in even more, however I put others first this time such as my Mom in her 70's who I really did not want to pass it on to, just in case n so on.....
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I can pretty much guarantee that if you got sacked for not having it, you would win at a tribunal. However, if you were going for a new job, they could insist on it as part of the contract.
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Yes mate, pretty much what I thought.
I just couldn't be doing with adding any extra stress to my plate right about now or ending up jobless in today's climate would have been a nightmare.
I am like the 'off white' sheep at our place they're mostly family and female. Boss treats them like his kids and although he praises me well, I feel like I'm the piece of the jigsaw which has been forced into place to complete the puzzle!
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Pretty sure in this climate, a redundancy can be knocked up pretty sharpish.
Then if he wants to go back to work in his field of expertise.
First question on application, have you had the jab.
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Yeah of course, but it has a knock on effect for the business, they have to pay the redundancy pay, and aren't allowed to employ anyone else in that role for 12 months. I imagine it wouldn't be hard to convince a tribunal the redundancy was a sacking either in a lot of cases.
Ultimately though, unless it's discriminatory, a business can insist on things in the workplace, especially for safety reasons. I'm sure they will argue it's a safety decision to include it in contracts.
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Illegal, against the discrimination act.
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What is?
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It will probably slip in quietly through the back.door with applicants for new jobs in new businesses being required to show
proof of vaccination status before and during employment.Cant see it being demanded in established companies without
a law change.Personally I would like to see all care home workers vaccinated.
proof of vaccination status before and during employment.Cant see it being demanded in established companies without
a law change.Personally I would like to see all care home workers vaccinated.
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I think taking the vaccine has to remain personal choice. I can understand why countries/companies/airlines/holiday destinations will want to only accept people who take the vaccine as any outbreaks will hit them hard.
But I dont think that I have heard that the vaccine definitely stops people who take the vaccine from spreading the virus, as I know that for the vaccines one of the things that they can do is minimise the severity off the illness if you catch the virus? I am not 100% sure on that.
But I dont think that I have heard that the vaccine definitely stops people who take the vaccine from spreading the virus, as I know that for the vaccines one of the things that they can do is minimise the severity off the illness if you catch the virus? I am not 100% sure on that.
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We won’t be forced to have it at work.
HR have contacted us already, there stance is they would prefer we did, but there’s so many reasons why many won’t it’s been left to personal choice.
which personally I find the correct decision.
HR have contacted us already, there stance is they would prefer we did, but there’s so many reasons why many won’t it’s been left to personal choice.
which personally I find the correct decision.
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Strange that the people refusing to take the vaccine are the same people who have been going to their doctors for a gazillion of years and their doctors have prescribed them gazillions of medications through the gazillion of years and they have taken these meds without a choice and/or without a peep. Or worry. The same pharmaceutical company that are making the vaccine are the ones making your meds.
and here we are in the middle of a pandemic with the world science community behind the vaccines and suddenly there are suspicions.
this scientific community are the same ones that have developed that new drug you might be taking for high blood pressure...or that opioid everyone got addicted to...and ppl take these meds no questions asked.
The most dangerous thing throughout this entire pandemic and vaccine business is the disinformation that surrounds it.
Strange indeed. And very sad.
and here we are in the middle of a pandemic with the world science community behind the vaccines and suddenly there are suspicions.
this scientific community are the same ones that have developed that new drug you might be taking for high blood pressure...or that opioid everyone got addicted to...and ppl take these meds no questions asked.
The most dangerous thing throughout this entire pandemic and vaccine business is the disinformation that surrounds it.
Strange indeed. And very sad.
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Plenty of people been messed up and continue to be messed up over medication, for caution or suspicion, whatever its called.
You dont have to look far to find the horror stories. I understand why some people are hesitant. Not like the government or pharmaceuticals have proved trustworthy in recent years, especially in the UK.
You dont have to look far to find the horror stories. I understand why some people are hesitant. Not like the government or pharmaceuticals have proved trustworthy in recent years, especially in the UK.
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Fair point, but I’ve had a suspected ruptured bicep that needs a op for over a year now.
it’s been classed as non emergency and I’ve had 4 consultant appointments put back and deleted to date.
i have to take pain killers sometimes to get over my day at work as I’ve bills to pay and a daughter to keep..
do I want to keep taking them no, but I’ve no Option as need to work.
regarding a vaccine it’s a totally different thing, I was honest on here about my experience regarding it totally.
but would I take it if not forced... hell no
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Quite funny how many people happily take meds for years, knowing nothing about them but any hint of being forced
to take them and all of a sudden they are the spawn of the devil and will cause untold damage.
Just have a look at any common medication, bet there will be at least 5 possible serious side effects including death.
The side effect information on the vaccines will be just the same but is viewed very differently.
Would not like to be in the situation of having no covid vaccine and everyone having to live with the threat of it
forever.There are a lot of countries with no vaccination programs and no prospect of having any for the forseeable
future., sure they would love the chance of decieding whether to have a vaccine or not.
to take them and all of a sudden they are the spawn of the devil and will cause untold damage.
Just have a look at any common medication, bet there will be at least 5 possible serious side effects including death.
The side effect information on the vaccines will be just the same but is viewed very differently.
Would not like to be in the situation of having no covid vaccine and everyone having to live with the threat of it
forever.There are a lot of countries with no vaccination programs and no prospect of having any for the forseeable
future., sure they would love the chance of decieding whether to have a vaccine or not.
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2 possible side effects of aspirin are heart attack and stroke. I mean, it's very rare but it's in the leaflet.
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The one I find astonishing is a possible side effect of anti depressants is depression.
Again, in the leaflet.
Again, in the leaflet.
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The Parma commercials here have to mention all the side effects, not just as fine print at the bottom of the tv screen but vocally. The list is disturbing to say the least.
Its something like this: May cause severe headaches, depression, suicide, heart attack, kidney failure, etc.
Its something like this: May cause severe headaches, depression, suicide, heart attack, kidney failure, etc.
So 143 people died shortly after receiving the vaccine with underlying health conditions / elderly - doesn't count
People die of Cornovirus with underlying health conditions / elderly - Does count
How does that compute?
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Because having Coronavirus likely shortened their life, whereas having the vaccine probably didn't.
I think everyone knows the figures aren't perfect, but other than doing a full autopsy on every single death, they never will be. Personally I don't think the figures are affected too much by the odd error that gets through, especially as it works the other way too. If you get a positive test on the 1st Jan, get took into hospital a week later, get put on a ventilator 2 weeks later, then die on the 1st Feb, it doesn't go down as a C-19 death as it's outside the 28 days.
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Yes I know what you mean, and in that report it didn't specify what 'shortly afterwards' means, could be 5 days or 5 hours, it also said the majority were frail and elderly, had underlying conditions etc... which logically doesn't exclude some not in those categories.
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I am a bit sceptical about these new vaccines, and whether fit and well people need them to fight off covid, when it only causes mild symptoms for some, [50% I think]
However I did read this explanation of the mRNA vaccines on the GAVI website, which truth be told, made me feel a bit less concerned:
"The manufacturing ability of our cells extends beyond human proteins. When we are infected with a virus - including relatively harmless viruses like those that cause the common cold - these invaders inject their genetic material into our cells, resulting in pieces of mRNA encoding viral proteins being sent to our protein-making machinery. Doing so enables the virus to assemble new viral particles out of these proteins, and spread. Although
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are a relatively new technology, they are based on the same ancient premise: delivering mRNA into our cells, which they will use to manufacture a viral protein."So sounds like it is a copy of what nature does, but then the other ingredients in the carrier solution [incl. nano particles] would not be present via the natural process, and they could cause reactions in some [perhaps later down the road, pfizer's safery trial is carrying on until 2023 as well]
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Biggest safely trial ever, millions of people involved!
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What was the point you were trying to make about the passports?
Whats against the discrimination act? Link please to the section for whatever you think is, as nothing in my post you replied to is as far as I'm aware.
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Is it reeled off really quickly as well, so legally its been said, but they dont waste too much money on the time spent saying it?
Then their lawyers can say you've been fully informed if you admit to seeing the commercial
How can you trust companies if they think that's the right way eh?! Its a funny old world. Cant trust anyone when money is the driver.
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Guess which country was the one that has vaccinated millions of people?
Guess which country started opening up whilst vaccinating instead of waiting per the guidelines
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Israel? Good to see it's working exactly as expected.Guess which country was the one that has vaccinated millions of people?
Dealer won't be happy with you, someone else showing evidence that lockdowns work, Palestine's figures started dropping when they went into lockdown as your chart shows.
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Much prefer Israel to Palestine, but that’s for another thread..Guess which country started opening up whilst vaccinating instead of waiting per the guidelines
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