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I've seen studies that say they are and others saying they aren't. As testing on kids is so limited I think it's more of a guess than anything. Considering how fucked up their education has been over the past 12 months though, I don't see how keeping them closed until Easter will have any significant effect, and if it means they can go back and not have any more time off, then I would argue that is the better option.
Not sure how to fix the clear problems we are going to have with the education system over the next 15 years or so though, maybe only have 4 week summer holidays so they catch up before they leave education. I honestly can't see any other way.
Feel free to explain why? Or answer any of the questions you've been asked when you post your usual drivel.
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Must agree with col here, it’s fine voicing what you think, but you must have some back up mate.
I’ve defended you lots but appreciate others frustrations.
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A 50/50 amount of studies that show schools are a significant transmission risk?
My guess is schools and children are a minor risk/source of transmission, and if we'd put on 4-day school weeks with 2 days for 1 half of the school and 2 days for the other, so they could be less crowded, that might have been a workable compromise, and would help alleviate the isolation factors and other disadvantages children must be experiencing.
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The argument against that is, how do key workers' kids get into school if they can only go in 2 days a week. Some schools are operating at 60% capacity now anyway, so if you allow the others to come back, there will be 80% of the kids in every day, in which case you might as well just open them up.
No not specifically 50/50, I haven't checked them all, but I've seen roughly the same amount arguing both sides, so I don't know which is correct. Bear in mind it's not just the children, if a couple of teachers catch it, they are off, who's left to teach the ones who are in? The kids education is disrupted either way.
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School age kids have zero chance of dying from covid, and many studies show they dont transmit it either.
Regardless of peoples views on lockdowns, the schools should never have shut, and need to open asap.
Children are paying a horrific price, for no reason. Its awful
Regardless of peoples views on lockdowns, the schools should never have shut, and need to open asap.
Children are paying a horrific price, for no reason. Its awful
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Are key worker's children attending school now? I vaguely remember hearing about that before, but not heard it mentioned for ages.
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And many studies say they do, for example
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Children are now more likely than adults to be the person bringing a Covid infection into a household.
As for zero chance of dying, is this 5 year old still alive then?
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A tiny chance of dying I would agree with, but as usual you spout absolute shite.
You know what effect this will have long term I presume? So you can say that anyone who catches it now won't have any serious respiratory problems in 20 years, or is your attitude, well fuck them?
You going to explain your previous post or was that your usual shite too?
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Yes, and any at risk, or are thought to be better off at school (surely thats all kids).
As I say some schools have around 60% attendance at the moment, a lot have 40-50%. 10% was a high number during the first lockdown.
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I don't get these kids want to go back to school stuff, Back in my and our day we were thrilled having a day off or not having to go to school,lol.
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Yes you found a story of a kid that died of covid. I can find stories about kids getting struck by lightning or run over by a stampeding cow, but statistically their chance of death is almost zero. The tiny minute risk is no reason to shut schools down.
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Thats when they could see their mates and have fun, not be imprisoned in their homes stuck in front of a screen all day and night.
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So not zero then? That was just your usual shite, changing facts to suit your opinion.
How about the bbc story about children more likely than adults to be the ones bringing it into the home? Conveniently ignored that didn't you?
Still waiting for you to explain your earlier post, or was that just your usual trolling shite too?
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Mine isn’t.
granted Isabelle lives with her mother whom doesn’t work, but I’m a registered key worker and would rather her be at school given a choice than sat at home...
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Colin, I am always polite, even though its really hard with you.
Covid is here, but it aint killing kids, and kids aint spreading it. Its sadly mainly killing the elderly, and people with serious health issues, obesity being one of the main ones.
And even though we are supposedly in a "pandemic" its only managing 1 out of every 7 deaths.
May I kindly suggest you buy several pairs of these and start living your life mate.
Covid is here, but it aint killing kids, and kids aint spreading it. Its sadly mainly killing the elderly, and people with serious health issues, obesity being one of the main ones.
And even though we are supposedly in a "pandemic" its only managing 1 out of every 7 deaths.
May I kindly suggest you buy several pairs of these and start living your life mate.
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Kids aren't spreading it, yet they have the highest infection rate in the country? So how does that work then?
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.It's 'only' causing 1 in 7 deaths? ONLY? Are you for real?
And it isn't, you're talking shite as usual
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- In December 2020, there were 52,676 deaths registered in England, 10,594 deaths (25.2%) more than the five-year average (2015 to 2019) for December; in Wales, there were 3,941 deaths registered, 1,075 deaths (37.5%) more than the five-year average for December.
- The coronavirus (COVID-19) was the leading cause of death in December 2020 for the second consecutive month in both England (accounting for 20.8% of all deaths registered in December) and in Wales (27.4% of all deaths); dementia and Alzheimer's disease was the second leading cause of death in both countries, with COVID-19 accounting for more than double the second leading cause in England and more than triple in Wales.
So more like 1 in 5 in England and 1 in 4 in Wales, which is more than double what the second biggest killer is doing. But yeah, nothing to worry about.
Still waiting for you to explain how Zero covid, with continual lockdowns, would result in zero NHS?
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Its called going bankrupt. We borrowed over £400,000,000,000 this year due to mismanagement of covid and extreme waste. We now owe as a country £2,000,000,000,000. This is not money picked from a money tree, we pay interest on it, and need to repay it, out of the total tax take, which due to lockdowns, has reduced horrifically.
Doing the same again, costing god knows how much and destroying virtually all of our hospitality, leisure and travel industry in the process which makes up a huge amount of government revenue to try and achieve zero covid, which by the way is impossible in the UK, will bankrupt us, and result in the NHS no longer being affordable, along with all other public services.
Not only will be have billions less tax revenue, we would also be paying 6 million unemployed people benefit too.
It really isnt rocket science.
This shit is real
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yeah I keep seeing people say that type of stuff, but never actually back any of it up with facts and figures, which really should be easy considering its based on money.
The Brexit campaign implied we send £350 million to the EU weekly, that could be used to fund the NHS, surely that will be being done? Even if not, theres £350 million extra per week we have now. That should make a huge dent in the £400000000000 you quote.
The hospitality, leisure and travel jobs will return eventually, unless you are suggesting when this is over, no one will want a pint, go out for a meal, or go on holiday?
I guarantee the country won't go bankrupt any time soon.
So how about explaining why you posted a graph showing Belgium was doing worse than Sweden by failing to point out the massive drops in figures each time they did. Why did that happen if lockdowns increase transmissions?
How did our figures drop in November after we went into lockdown, but increase when we came out?
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Can't quite believe what I'm reading. Of course kids spread COVID, just like they spread every other coronavirus variant known to man. I suspect that some other 'studies' may have been politically motivated to parrot the 'kids don't spread COVID' line, in order to justify keeping schools open.
There was compelling evidence to suggest kids spread COVID when infections dipped just after the half term holidays back in October.
There was compelling evidence to suggest kids spread COVID when infections dipped just after the half term holidays back in October.
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The one thing I do worry about is next year's flu season.
Along with COVID we have also suppressed colds and flu. This means that for an extended period of time people's immune systems have stood fairly idle.
I think it'll be more critical than ever to get as many people vaccinated against flu in preparation for next winter season.
Along with COVID we have also suppressed colds and flu. This means that for an extended period of time people's immune systems have stood fairly idle.
I think it'll be more critical than ever to get as many people vaccinated against flu in preparation for next winter season.
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This or next? I think this year more people have had it than usual, although not 100% on that.
Also have to bear in mind, because of social distancing and all the other rules and lockdowns, flu deaths should be down on previous years quite substantially.
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Saw this on the YT home page.
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The kids aren't locked inside in my state. Not looking forward to the storm coming Monday/Tuesday.
You have to learn to make the best of a bad situation.
You have to learn to make the best of a bad situation.
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I hope we don't start getting that type of thing over here.
Those numbers are pretty scary, I didn't realise 30% of hospital admissions would be back in hospital within a few months of discharge, then a tenth of them die
I've never understood why LongCovid isn't being looked into (or publicised) as much as I think it should. If it is causing long term damage, or risking long term damage, then surely getting that message out there might stop younger people thinking 'oh, won't affect me, off to a rave this weekend'
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I've been saying for months that it's completely wrong-headed and incredibly short-sighted to focus on the headline death rate of Covid (as horrible as it is by itself), and that people really need to pay attention to the dangers of Long-Covid in all its forms.
There are so many people now who've had Covid, in many cases never getting as far as hospital, but who are simply not getting better.
The re-hospitalization, further illness and death rates are also very scary, and again speak to how utterly deranged we'd need to be to go down any sort of 'living with the virus' type path, or heaven forfend loony tunes bullshit like The Great Barrington Declaration, which would literally be condemning huge numbers of people not only to illness and death in the short term, but also terrible long term health problems.
It also shows you why it's not 'health vs economy', the two things are inextricably linked, if we don't protect health then the economy is fucked anyway, and we'll have many people in the aftermath who are simply too ill to work ever again, or ever get their normal lives back.
There are so many people now who've had Covid, in many cases never getting as far as hospital, but who are simply not getting better.
The re-hospitalization, further illness and death rates are also very scary, and again speak to how utterly deranged we'd need to be to go down any sort of 'living with the virus' type path, or heaven forfend loony tunes bullshit like The Great Barrington Declaration, which would literally be condemning huge numbers of people not only to illness and death in the short term, but also terrible long term health problems.
It also shows you why it's not 'health vs economy', the two things are inextricably linked, if we don't protect health then the economy is fucked anyway, and we'll have many people in the aftermath who are simply too ill to work ever again, or ever get their normal lives back.
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I've linked to reputable sources and evidence on multiple occasions that show this is wrong. This is not how government debt works. At all.
Why not learn something about it rather than repeating the same incorrect assertions time and time again?
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Because that isn't how trolling works.
He's ran out of new rubbish to post so just regurgitating the same as he did months ago.
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So if lockdowns don't work why and how did our lockdown just work? I can walk down the road to my local pub at noon and have a pint if I want. My daughter is back in school this morning.
We're not a fascist state, we don't have heavy-handed policing, we haven't 'given up our freedom' in exchange for eliminating Covid.
26 days, that's all it took.
We're not a fascist state, we don't have heavy-handed policing, we haven't 'given up our freedom' in exchange for eliminating Covid.
26 days, that's all it took.
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Yes I know The Daily Mail but we have been in the national news today. Also Sky News have been running a report on us most hours too.
It is possible to do better on Covid than the shockingly inept UK government have inflicted on the UK population, we're not unique, many countries in the world have managed elimination or near-elimination of Covid and got things back to normal.
Getting angry about lockdowns and restrictions is totally missing the point. Get angry with your awful government.
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The Isle of Man has today lifted all of its lockdown laws - with pubs, schools and shops reopened and social distancing and face mask rules scrapped.
The measures on the island - which has its own government - were lifted in the early hours of this morning after a 25-day circuit breaker lockdown came to an end.
It comes after health chiefs recorded just 15 active and isolated cases yesterday on the island - located in the middle of the Irish Sea between Great Britain and Ireland.
But while the island's 50 pubs have been given the green light to throw open their doors, its borders - which have been shut since March - remain closed to all but residents and key workers.
The tight border controls and strict isolation measures helped keep the island, which is home to around 85,000 people, restriction free for months.
However an outbreak after the new year led to a 'short, sharp' lockdown being imposed. There have been a total of 434 cases and 25 deaths on the Isle of Man since the start of the pandemic.
Chief Minister, Howard Quayle MHK, today said: 'After almost a month of lockdown, this is the moment we have all been waiting for.
'The Isle of Man has achieved local elimination of the virus for a second time, meaning the risk of community spread of COVID-19 is extremely low.
'We beat the virus once and we have done so again.'
Mr Quayle praised residents on the island for the 'collective determination' and 'community spirit' which he said had helped them eliminate Covid from the island.
However he urged residents not to get complacent, adding: 'Although this is a moment for relief and celebration, we cannot let down our guard.
'We are seeing other jurisdictions that have achieved local elimination battling with outbreaks. We must remain vigilant.'
It is possible to do better on Covid than the shockingly inept UK government have inflicted on the UK population, we're not unique, many countries in the world have managed elimination or near-elimination of Covid and got things back to normal.
Getting angry about lockdowns and restrictions is totally missing the point. Get angry with your awful government.
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The Isle of Man has today lifted all of its lockdown laws - with pubs, schools and shops reopened and social distancing and face mask rules scrapped.
The measures on the island - which has its own government - were lifted in the early hours of this morning after a 25-day circuit breaker lockdown came to an end.
It comes after health chiefs recorded just 15 active and isolated cases yesterday on the island - located in the middle of the Irish Sea between Great Britain and Ireland.
But while the island's 50 pubs have been given the green light to throw open their doors, its borders - which have been shut since March - remain closed to all but residents and key workers.
The tight border controls and strict isolation measures helped keep the island, which is home to around 85,000 people, restriction free for months.
However an outbreak after the new year led to a 'short, sharp' lockdown being imposed. There have been a total of 434 cases and 25 deaths on the Isle of Man since the start of the pandemic.
Chief Minister, Howard Quayle MHK, today said: 'After almost a month of lockdown, this is the moment we have all been waiting for.
'The Isle of Man has achieved local elimination of the virus for a second time, meaning the risk of community spread of COVID-19 is extremely low.
'We beat the virus once and we have done so again.'
Mr Quayle praised residents on the island for the 'collective determination' and 'community spirit' which he said had helped them eliminate Covid from the island.
However he urged residents not to get complacent, adding: 'Although this is a moment for relief and celebration, we cannot let down our guard.
'We are seeing other jurisdictions that have achieved local elimination battling with outbreaks. We must remain vigilant.'
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They are testing 80000 people here in the UK at home after discovering the new South African variant in certain areas. Looks like it has a higher transmission rate and can bypass current antibodies. Thats terrible news, I hope they manage to contain it, if it spreads around the country then I can see the lockdown continuing till after the summer
On the upside, the lockdown is clearly working, with most figures falling again today, cases only around 25% of what they were a month ago and deaths back to December levels.
On the upside, the lockdown is clearly working, with most figures falling again today, cases only around 25% of what they were a month ago and deaths back to December levels.
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This will piss the anti vaxxers off, but good news for everyone else
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I hope we don't start getting that type of thing over here.
Those numbers are pretty scary, I didn't realise 30% of hospital admissions would be back in hospital within a few months of discharge, then a tenth of them die
I've never understood why LongCovid isn't being looked into (or publicised) as much as I think it should. If it is causing long term damage, or risking long term damage, then surely getting that message out there might stop younger people thinking 'oh, won't affect me, off to a rave this weekend'
It figures Colin when you think about it. The most vulnerable are most likely to be hospitalised by COVID and so it is much more likely they will land in hospital later on with some ailment or another. That's not to downplay the severity of COVID, just highlighting the obvious nature of what is being said.
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An anti vaxxer Facebook group stopped covid vaccinations from taking place by blocking the location. Only in the USA.
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This will piss the anti vaxxers off, but good news for everyone else
Im a bit anti vaccine but not pissed off.
Reassured and relieved.
Although anti vaccine I dont want to see everybody die from one.
This is brilliant news!
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Some are pissed off and coming out with the usual rubbish, hasn't been tested properly, stating some in the trials did end up in hospital, just forgetting to mention those were on the placebo side, stuff like that.
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And some found and posted great stats what everything is reported people after covid vaccine, only "maybe accidentally" ignoring fact that especially when any new drug comes on market, usually everything possible get reported quite well (which is needed to see if there are any patterns in something) but that in general, there is correlation but no causality. When you give vaccines people in care homes where average time of living is under 2 years, these people don't stop dying after one vaccination, not even stop coming sick for different things and of course these all are marked to have taken vaccine before.
I'm sure these stats find internet more and more by certain people who with purpose or due stupidity haven't bother check what they share but all brain activity stops when see covid vaccination+dead/illness numbers which look quite big and no fake media tell about it (normal media for most but fake for some as they lie and don't tell truths). If reading these like that, we wouldn't have any medicines in world, there's huge amount of reported deaths and side effects connected to Ibuprofen and almost any med is released, doesn't matter if med have or not anything to do with it but in these deaths/illnesses these all just should get reported and connected to medicines taken to be able to monitor any possible patterns or unexpected things, almost all are totally irrelevant but especially for new things, important to collect.
I'm sure these stats find internet more and more by certain people who with purpose or due stupidity haven't bother check what they share but all brain activity stops when see covid vaccination+dead/illness numbers which look quite big and no fake media tell about it (normal media for most but fake for some as they lie and don't tell truths). If reading these like that, we wouldn't have any medicines in world, there's huge amount of reported deaths and side effects connected to Ibuprofen and almost any med is released, doesn't matter if med have or not anything to do with it but in these deaths/illnesses these all just should get reported and connected to medicines taken to be able to monitor any possible patterns or unexpected things, almost all are totally irrelevant but especially for new things, important to collect.
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16,840 cases in the UK. -3,249
1,449 deaths in the UK. -182
2,642 patients admitted to hospital in the UK. -699
32,466 patients in hospital in the UK. -5,095
3,726 patients on ventilation in the UK. -306
The cases are the lowest they've been for about 2 months now. All the other figures have dropped since last week.
Hopefully the new strains fuck off and within a couple of weeks we can start lifting restrictions. Almost 10 million vaccinated too, which is amazing going.
1,449 deaths in the UK. -182
2,642 patients admitted to hospital in the UK. -699
32,466 patients in hospital in the UK. -5,095
3,726 patients on ventilation in the UK. -306
The cases are the lowest they've been for about 2 months now. All the other figures have dropped since last week.
Hopefully the new strains fuck off and within a couple of weeks we can start lifting restrictions. Almost 10 million vaccinated too, which is amazing going.
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In manchester doing my key worker shit, got soaked today (all day)
had the public for some odd reason ask if I’m installing 5g... into the ground, over 8 times..
told the cranks no, it’s 7g and it’s super secret shit.
got back spoke to my little girl about her schooling, had a shower...then worked till 11 and ordered food..
Here it is...
donner calzone (no onions)
X3 cheese garlic bread
X1 chips with paprika
X1 chips and cheese
X1 corn on the cob (don’t ask)
A chilli and a garlic dip also....
they forgot my Dr Pepper btw..
had the public for some odd reason ask if I’m installing 5g... into the ground, over 8 times..
told the cranks no, it’s 7g and it’s super secret shit.
got back spoke to my little girl about her schooling, had a shower...then worked till 11 and ordered food..
Here it is...
donner calzone (no onions)
X3 cheese garlic bread
X1 chips with paprika
X1 chips and cheese
X1 corn on the cob (don’t ask)
A chilli and a garlic dip also....
they forgot my Dr Pepper btw..
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I think a significant number of people 30% + will not be taking the vaccine once you get into the 60s and 50s age range.
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We are flushed with cash yet we dont have any vaccine yet in Hong Kong and our leader says she virtually has to beg to get the vaccines. We signed agreements with 3 producers - Sinovac, Pfizer and Astrazeneca but not a single person has been vaccinated. Meanwhile, we are facing arbitrary lockdowns everyday. So long as one resident in any building gets the virus, the whole building's residents are locked and tested. Even shops in the vicinity arent spared. We had a funny scene where a guy had shampoo all over his head but the barber was asked to cease work immediately by the police. We live in crazy times.
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Is this a guess or is there a survey somewhere that you’re quoting...because that is a lot of people refusing to be vaccinated...
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I think in the real world there wont be as many refusing it. In my company of over 150 employees, all were offered the vaccine as we are considered essential workers, 3 didnt take it. 2 because of personal choice and 1 because they had had Covid in the last 28 days and they were therefore ineligible.
I would say there's a lot who will be shouting that they wont be taking the vaccine, but the reality will be they will quietly shuffle along and get it when its offered to them.
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I seriously hope they throw the book at this idiot, he is a danger to everyone.
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Your impossible to please mate!!
I’ve taken 3 photos tonight of my tea because of your demands lol..
if this isn’t good enough I’m at a loss lol
need a shower as I smell from work, but I’ll post my corona cooking pics within the hour!
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