Corona virus - Covid 19 discussion

[Kroffe]

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Hmm, i wonder where the dark lord goes to find his gifs.

Oh..

 

[The Dude]

What an absolute cunt you are saying that, disagree with someone fine, but calling for them to be shot...

I already commented on this. Using the c* word is unnecessary. Don't do it.

 

[Kroffe]

I already commented on this. Using the c* word is unnecessary. Don't do it.

You also used c-words.
Dont worry, i sensored it for you.

 

[Playford7]

You also used c-words.
Dont worry, i sensored it for you.

We all know this gave CM a giggle haha

 

[Kroffe]

We all know this gave CM a giggle haha

Language!!

 

[Playford7]

how are you feeling??

Same tbh, been for my 2nd test cheers for asking.

just catching up with the walking dead I missed, half way through series 9 now

 

[ChopleyIOM]

A new daily high of 1,820 Covid deaths, genuinely horrifying numbers. This is a direct result of the mixing over Christmas due to the time factor of:

Infection to symptoms to illness to hospitalisation to death.

Johnson 'saved Christmas from the experts' - the price is being paid in human lives.

 

[shadow123]

Shocking UK numbers, better hope this so called lockdown works, but I have a very little faith left in the UK Government,
Just hope that they listen to what Israel is saying about delaying the second jab,basically a shit idea based on real
world data,we are cracking on well with the first jab but it could be waste of time, its second one that really kick starts
the immunity.

 

[bamberfishcake]

Shocking UK numbers, better hope this so called lockdown works, but I have a very little faith left in the UK Government,
Just hope that they listen to what Israel is saying about delaying the second jab,basically a shit idea based on real
world data,we are cracking on well with the first jab but it could be waste of time, its second one that really kick starts
the immunity.

I dont know what its like where you are but you've only got to look outside my window or at the roads to see lockdown is not working in South East Essex.

 

[colinsunderland]

I dont know what its like where you are but you've only got to look outside my window or at the roads to see lockdown is not working in South East Essex.

I think at the start of this lockdown things were quieter, but been out today and the roads were busier than usual. Add to that it was absolutely lashing down, I doubt many were driving somewhere to go for a walk. Not actually sure where they were going though as schools, shops, leisure is all shut. I had to nip into the city centre and I've genuinely never seen it as quiet, even going back 40 years when I was a kid and the shops and pubs were closed Sunday afternoons, it was busier than today.

The government is solely to blame for these rates, allowing people to mix at Christmas, absolutely ridiculous. Sending the kids back for one day, even more ridiculous. Only bright side is that infection rates are dropping, so the other figures should start dropping before long too, however I don't think we are at the peak death rate yet

 

[bamberfishcake]

The government is solely to blame for these rates, allowing people to mix at Christmas, absolutely ridiculous. Sending the kids back for one day, even more ridiculous.

Completely agree.

The best one for me was how they allowed not just one protest but what seemed to be a week or two of protest marches from left to right.

 

[sufferinsilence]

I think at the start of this lockdown things were quieter, but been out today and the roads were busier than usual. Add to that it was absolutely lashing down, I doubt many were driving somewhere to go for a walk. Not actually sure where they were going though as schools, shops, leisure is all shut. I had to nip into the city centre and I've genuinely never seen it as quiet, even going back 40 years when I was a kid and the shops and pubs were closed Sunday afternoons, it was busier than today.

The government is solely to blame for these rates, allowing people to mix at Christmas, absolutely ridiculous. Sending the kids back for one day, even more ridiculous. Only bright side is that infection rates are dropping, so the other figures should start dropping before long too, however I don't think we are at the peak death rate yet

I'd say some personal responsibility or accountability wouldn't hurt either... (Fictive) Examples: it's not because you're allowed to see 4 other adults at the same time that you HAVE to see them, it's not because travel is just strongly discouraged that you still should go on holiday, etc etc etc.

 

[colinsunderland]

I'd say some personal responsibility or accountability wouldn't hurt either... (Fictive) Examples: it's not because you're allowed to see 4 other adults at the same time that you HAVE to see them, it's not because travel is just strongly discouraged that you still should go on holiday, etc etc etc.

I agree. However, when the people in charge tell you it's perfectly safe to do something, be it Christmas or go to school, and people are desperate to do it, then they will.
I kept my granddaughter off school the first day back and told my daughter to keep her off the first week as I was convinced they would be closed by then, rather than send her back for however short a period it would be, and risk her catching it.

 

[mcgameboy]

You also used c-words.
Dont worry, i censored it for you.

Fixed.

One good turn deserves another.

 

[Kroffe]

Fixed.

One good turn deserves another.

It was atually by design, to avoid using a c-word.

 

[mcgameboy]

It was atually by design, to avoid using a c-word.

That thought had crossed my mind

 

[shadow123]

Think I was one of the few driving to walk my dog today as the weather was absolutely vile, but the roads were almost
as busy as pre covid times.I am baffled as well where everyone is going, no school runs so its not that,
can only think there are a lot of essential workers and people who cant work at home which is all within the law
but if you posted a photo of the roads and told folks from other countries we were in mid lockdown, they
would say we (or our betters) were crazy and wouldnt be suprized at our current death rates.

 

[Playford7]

Think I was one of the few driving to walk my dog today as the weather was absolutely vile, but the roads were almost
as busy as pre covid times.I am baffled as well where everyone is going, no school runs so its not that,
can only think there are a lot of essential workers and people who cant work at home which is all within the law
but if you posted a photo of the roads and told folks from other countries we were in mid lockdown, they
would say we (or our betters) were crazy and wouldnt be suprized at our current death rates.

The roads have been packed mate, every Monday going to manchester we’re stuck in heaving traffic (essential workers btw) we where not just driving.

the shopping parks where heaving, they even have open air markets in manchester...all in lockdown..

posted the pics, sadly folks may have to learn the hard way like i did to realise this is very very real.

 

[Playford7]

something a bit brighter during Covid...

 

[dealer wins]

A new daily high of 1,820 Covid deaths, genuinely horrifying numbers. This is a direct result of the mixing over Christmas due to the time factor of:

You do realise mixing at xmas was banned in most of the country?

Whats causing this, is the lockdowns themselves, I know you will never see it, but look at this fascinating graph from 2 very similar locations.

 

[colinsunderland]

You do realise mixing at xmas was banned in most of the country?

Whats causing this, is the lockdowns themselves, I know you will never see it, but look at this fascinating graph from 2 very similar locations.

People won't see it as it's made up. Show some evidence from the UK that lockdowns cause transmissions to increase, oh wait, you cant because you are talking absolute shite again.

 

[dealer wins]

The fact that every time we lockdown, deaths go through the roof. We have been locked down in London from 19th Dec, and deaths have gone higher and higher since.

THEY DONT WORK, they make things worse, especially now a lot of people have had enough of them and are freely meeting their friends and family (Quite rightly IMO) They are meeting them indoors which is less safe than in bars, restaurants etc

 

[dealer wins]

Also wouldn't put it past the vaccination with experimental mRNA shyte of 80 year olds + to be adding to the death toll.

 

[colinsunderland]

The fact that every time we lockdown, deaths go through the roof. We have been locked down in London from 19th Dec, and deaths have gone higher and higher since.

THEY DONT WORK, they make things worse, especially now a lot of people have had enough of them and are freely meeting their friends and family (Quite rightly IMO) They are meeting them indoors which is less safe than in bars, restaurants etc

So you think meeting up indoors, even though you say its less safe than in a bar or somewhere, is the right thing to do? You really are some kind of idiot.

Do you honestly think that everything drops instantly? Lets not forget the fact that you are wrong in what you say anyway, but I'm sure you already know that, as it was reported in one of your favourite sources of information 2 days ago

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London's winter wave of coronavirus appears to have passed its peak, as official data shows cases were falling in all 32 boroughs last week and deaths and hospital admissions have begun to plateau.

Scientists say the promising figures are proof that the tough Tier Four curbs were driving down the spread of the super-infectious Kent strain of the virus before the national lockdown.

But the trends could not have been triggered by the national lockdown that came into force on January 4 because it takes three weeks for draconian curbs to drive down infections and cases.

Public Health England statistics show cases fell in every borough of the capital over the seven days to January 12, with the London-wide infection rate plummeting by more than a quarter.

Department of Health data also reveals daily coronavirus deaths across the city had tailed off by January 10, with the curve flattening to around 157 fatalities a day. And separate data shows the capital's daily hospital admissions peaked at 864 on January 6 and have since fallen to 802.

So Tier 4 (which was pretty much a lockdown) was brought in on the 20th December. Exactly 3 weeks later deaths were starting to fall, 3 weeks being the time it takes for any restrictions to show any real effect.

So as we are in lockdown and deaths are going down in London, cases are falling countrywide, hospital admissions have slowed down, how does that mean lockdowns make them worse?

Oh look at the massive rise in infections in London last week during lockdown, oh wait, every single figure is minus.

Heres a second source

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Covid bed occupancy remains very high in this area. However, admissions are falling fast. The rolling seven-day total of covid patient admissions began to fall on 10 January in London and south east and on 13 January in the east. The totals on 17 January (the latest data) are now at 88, 85 and 91 per cent of the respective peaks.

I thought we were still in lockdown, so surely the numbers should all be rising if lockdowns makes things worse?

 

[dealer wins]

But the trends could not have been triggered by the national lockdown that came into force on January 4 because it takes three weeks for draconian curbs to drive down infections and cases.

The one sensible thing in your entire post, the word draconian.

We we sold " 3 weeks to flatten the curve" not 300+ days to flatten society, flatten the economy, cost 560,000 deaths and flatten our children's futures.

 

[vorcirion]

The one sensible thing in your entire post, the word draconian.

We we sold " 3 weeks to flatten the curve" not 300+ days to flatten society, flatten the economy, cost 560,000 deaths and flatten our children's futures.

Just out of curiosity. What would be your way to solve this whole Covid-situation until vaccines are received?

 

[colinsunderland]

Just out of curiosity. What would be your way to solve this whole Covid-situation until vaccines are received?

its just go on as normal and let everyone die, he's said that in the past.

 

[Playford7]

The one sensible thing in your entire post, the word draconian.

We we sold " 3 weeks to flatten the curve" not 300+ days to flatten society, flatten the economy, cost 560,000 deaths and flatten our children's futures.

I assumed the same pal till it happened and fast. 3 mates in icu, one hospital and my aunty.

i don’t know the answer pal but stricter measures are needed and people need to listen, I didn’t... I was just mega lucky I didn’t get poorly...

that said my chest is in bits and I’ve already had a test that was negative, done another today so time will tell mate.

as said mate ive no issues your views, just mine are fact based pal.

 

[Playford7]

its just go on as normal and let everyone die, he's said that in the past.

In fairness that was my stance almost minus the links etc as had professionals tell me there hospital wasn’t that bad..

but I posted the other side of what they said when shit hit the fan, not just to me personally but to the hospital.

james cook now isn’t in a good place for the largest in europe mate.

 

[dealer wins]

Just out of curiosity. What would be your way to solve this whole Covid-situation until vaccines are received?

Elderly and vulnerable shield voluntarily, all resources into hospitals and care homes. everything else as normal.

 

[vorcirion]

Elderly and vulnerable shield voluntarily, all resources into hospitals and care homes. everything else as normal.

That's like the whole population infected with Covid. Pretty hard to protect elderly and vulnerable when everyone else is a risk to them.

 

[colinsunderland]

Elderly and vulnerable shield voluntarily, all resources into hospitals and care homes. everything else as normal.

So let the younger people who catch it die then?
You haven't explained how the figures are going down in the middle of a lockdown that causes them to increase?

 

[dealer wins]

I assumed the same pal till it happened and fast. 3 mates in icu, one hospital and my aunty.

i don’t know the answer pal but stricter measures are needed and people need to listen, I didn’t... I was just mega lucky I didn’t get poorly...

that said my chest is in bits and I’ve already had a test that was negative, done another today so time will tell mate.

as said mate ive no issues your views, just mine are fact based pal.

I get it, people are getting covid, and some terrible covid. But the answer is not shutting down society for the best part of a year. The economic damage will cause many more deaths than covid will, and the damage this is doing to children is so horrific, it is on a crime against humanity level.

 

[bigbear]

Also wouldn't put it past the vaccination with experimental mRNA shyte of 80 year olds + to be adding to the death toll.

And that is your most ridiculous statement yet which is going some as you have set the bar pretty high.It is obviously a Government conspiracy to get rid of all the elderly in our community.

 

[dealer wins]

So let the younger people who catch it die then?
You haven't explained how the figures are going down in the middle of a lockdown that causes them to increase?

It doesnt really kill many people under 70

 

[colinsunderland]

I get it, people are getting covid, and some terrible covid. But the answer is not shutting down society for the best part of a year. The economic damage will cause many more deaths than covid will, and the damage this is doing to children is so horrific, it is on a crime against humanity level.

Would all these things be like the 300% increase in suicide rates that you stated last week, but you lied about?

 

[bigbear]

So you think meeting up indoors, even though you say its less safe than in a bar or somewhere, is the right thing to do? You really are some kind of idiot.

Do you honestly think that everything drops instantly? Lets not forget the fact that you are wrong in what you say anyway, but I'm sure you already know that, as it was reported in one of your favourite sources of information 2 days ago

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London's winter wave of coronavirus appears to have passed its peak, as official data shows cases were falling in all 32 boroughs last week and deaths and hospital admissions have begun to plateau.

Scientists say the promising figures are proof that the tough Tier Four curbs were driving down the spread of the super-infectious Kent strain of the virus before the national lockdown.

But the trends could not have been triggered by the national lockdown that came into force on January 4 because it takes three weeks for draconian curbs to drive down infections and cases.

Public Health England statistics show cases fell in every borough of the capital over the seven days to January 12, with the London-wide infection rate plummeting by more than a quarter.

Department of Health data also reveals daily coronavirus deaths across the city had tailed off by January 10, with the curve flattening to around 157 fatalities a day. And separate data shows the capital's daily hospital admissions peaked at 864 on January 6 and have since fallen to 802.

So Tier 4 (which was pretty much a lockdown) was brought in on the 20th December. Exactly 3 weeks later deaths were starting to fall, 3 weeks being the time it takes for any restrictions to show any real effect.

So as we are in lockdown and deaths are going down in London, cases are falling countrywide, hospital admissions have slowed down, how does that mean lockdowns make them worse?

Oh look at the massive rise in infections in London last week during lockdown, oh wait, every single figure is minus.

Heres a second source

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Covid bed occupancy remains very high in this area. However, admissions are falling fast. The rolling seven-day total of covid patient admissions began to fall on 10 January in London and south east and on 13 January in the east. The totals on 17 January (the latest data) are now at 88, 85 and 91 per cent of the respective peaks.

I thought we were still in lockdown, so surely the numbers should all be rising if lockdowns makes things worse?

A similar picture in Kent and Sussex.Over the last seven days EVERY area in those counties has seen a drop in cases.Two weeks ago,every area bar one showed the infection rate rising.

 

[dealer wins]

I sometimes get the distinct impression that not everyone agrees with my views on covid, but I am right lol

 

[colinsunderland]

It doesnt really kill many people under 70 View attachment 149356

try using a chart that isn't 7 months old, and using actual figures rather than predictions, there is enough data out there now to do that. And the answer to my other question?
What about the long term heath issues that are going to affect all the younger people who catch it now? There is increasing evidence that it causes internal damage that will cause problems later in life. So your solution is to infect the whole population, worldwide, so that we have serious health problems in years to come?

 

[colinsunderland]

I sometimes get the distinct impression that not everyone agrees with my views on covid, but I am right lol

Thats because you talk absolute shite and refuse to back up any of your ridiculous claims with any form of evidence.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Handy reference guide to counter the stuff dealer wins says and save yourself the bother of typing it all out time and time again

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[sufferinsilence]

Elderly and vulnerable shield voluntarily, all resources into hospitals and care homes. everything else as normal.

Ok, so let's assume we do this. The elderly get their pension so that's alright but how exactly are the vulnerable, there are plenty of people with chronic illnesses who could get in a very bad way when they catch covid, that work a fulltime job going to be compensated? Does their employer have to pay them while they shield at home? Will the government have to step in? Who will determine who's qualified as a vulnerable person that can be excused from his job until we enter the endemic stage?

 

[dealer wins]

Wen we are all in the poor house, and the NHS is abandoned due to being unaffordable, I think many people will regret these lockdowns.

 

[colinsunderland]

Ok, so let's assume we do this. The elderly get their pension so that's alright but how exactly are the vulnerable, there are plenty of people with chronic illnesses who could get in a very bad way when they catch covid, that work a fulltime job going to be compensated? Does their employer have to pay them while they shield at home? Will the government have to step in? Who will determine who's qualified as a vulnerable person that can be excused from his job until we enter the endemic stage?

Also, don't forget, 'underlying health conditions' in the figures include eczema and hayfever, so they would have to shield too. There are around 10 million people in the UK with hayfever, and 15 million with eczema. Thats a lot of people who have to shield!

Wen we are all in the poor house, and the NHS is abandoned due to being unaffordable, I think many people will regret these lockdowns.

Still haven't answered my question?

 

[dealer wins]

Also, don't forget, 'underlying health conditions' in the figures include eczema and hayfever, so they would have to shield too. There are around 10 million people in the UK with hayfever, and 15 million with eczema. Thats a lot of people who have to shield!


Still haven't answered my question?

No one under 60 needs to shield unless they are extremely ill or vulnerable.

 

[dealer wins]

We can all argue about lockdown effectiveness. Lets talk about them being immoral, and anyone wanting to "stay at home" can always, you know, not go out?

 

[colinsunderland]

No one under 60 needs to shield unless they are extremely ill or vulnerable.

What do you class as vulnerable then?

We can all argue about lockdown effectiveness. Lets talk about them being immoral, and anyone wanting to "stay at home" can always, you know, not go out?

Still haven't answered my simple question?

 

[sufferinsilence]

We can all argue about lockdown effectiveness. Lets talk about them being immoral, and anyone wanting to "stay at home" can always, you know, not go out?

If society goes on as usual you can't just decide to stop being a part of it because it means all regular stuff will go ahead and people with a job or those that go to school or attend university can't just stay at home for the time being. Even if they're vulnerable or prefer to stay safe they would have to venture out.

When a society as a whole is concerned 1+1 is never just 2.

 

[dealer wins]

If society goes on as usual you can't just decide to stop being a part of it because it means all regular stuff will go ahead and people with a job or those that go to school or attend university can't just stay at home for the time being. Even if they're vulnerable or prefer to stay safe they would have to venture out.

When a society as a whole is concerned 1+1 is never just 2.

Exactly, so lockdowns are totally pointless, as well as horrifically destructive.

 

[sufferinsilence]

Exactly, so lockdowns are totally pointless, as well as horrifically destructive.

I don't know how you came to that conclusion, can you elaborate on that?