Corona virus - Covid 19 discussion

[The Dude]

OK - reopened (against my better judgement). I know this can be a volatile topic, but please... conduct yourselves appropriately. Thank you.

Sometimes the best response is no response.

 

[shadow123]

Horrible UK numbers today, didnt realize we were the worst in europe although we are way ahead of them in number of
vaccinations administered

 

[colinsunderland]

Horrible UK numbers today, didnt realize we were the worst in europe although we are way ahead of them in number of
vaccinations administered

full figures for the country (plus my local area)

228 cases in Sunderland. -53
10 deaths in Sunderland. +8
20 patients admitted to hospital in South Tyneside & Sunderland. +7
222 patients in hospital in South Tyneside & Sunderland. +20
8 patients on ventilation in South Tyneside & Sunderland. 0

1,980 cases in the NE. +23
58 deaths in the NE. +16
335 patients admitted to hospital in the NE & Yorks. +53
2,860 patients in hospital in the NE & Yorks. +430
190 patients on ventilation in the NE & Yorks. +34

62,322 cases in the UK. +12,299
1,041 deaths in the UK. +60
3,179 patients admitted to hospital in the UK. +749
30,451 patients in hospital in the UK. +6,680
2,645 patients on ventilation in the UK. +798

498,624 tests conducted.

Sunderland 7 day rolling average:
456 cases per 100,000 using backdated data. +217
552 cases per 100,000 using daily data. +270

605 cases per 100,000 for the UK using daily data. +181

944,539 total people received 1st dose vaccination in the UK.

+/- compared to one week ago

 

[geordiecolin]

This may be long but it could be vital in how well you can help yourself in prevention of dealing with Covid and protecting your health.

 

[geordiecolin]

And another that explains a lot

 

[Gaz237]

So what's your solution?

He will be just checking on Facebook for you.

He wont be long

 

[Playford7]

Sorry as I’m working away (manchester) I’m also classed as a key worker so do hope you will all clap for me tomorrow as I’m risking my life for others..

I’m serious btw, Iam..

But anyhow I’m in a lovely apartment, near old Trafford.

sadly my corona cooking has taken a dip as I’m serving the people..

tonight however I went to spar after my daily report...

This is what I got..

 

[Steviedoo]

Sorry as I’m working away (manchester) I’m also classed as a key worker so do hope you will all clap for me tomorrow as I’m risking my life for others..

I’m serious btw, Iam..

But anyhow I’m in a lovely apartment, near old Trafford.

sadly my corona cooking has taken a dip as I’m serving the people..

tonight however I went to spar after my daily report...

This is what I got..

How can you survive on that.
Even the photos of your snacks need some good light!

 

[Davey86]

Sorry as I’m working away (manchester) I’m also classed as a key worker so do hope you will all clap for me tomorrow as I’m risking my life for others..

I’m serious btw, Iam..

But anyhow I’m in a lovely apartment, near old Trafford.

sadly my corona cooking has taken a dip as I’m serving the people..

tonight however I went to spar after my daily report...

This is what I got..

Pfffft microwave burgers and frozen pizza
Downhill goes corona cooking

 

[Playford7]

Pfffft microwave burgers and frozen pizza
Downhill goes corona cooking

Tell me about it, earlier on in the week it was coconut rice and king prawns, been too busy to cook mate sadly

 

[Davey86]

Tell me about it, earlier on in the week it was coconut rice and king prawns, been too busy to cook mate sadly

At least your keeping busy and away from forums and streamer threads haha

 

[Playford7]

How can you survive on that.
Even the photos of your snacks need some good light!

Far too busy serving the people to worry about myself mate.

 

[Playford7]

At least your keeping busy and away from forums and streamer threads haha

For now... I’ll be back

 

[Playford7]

Look at the state of this...

going to bed shortly, play nice you lot.

 

[dealer wins]

NO justification for any lockdown or restrictions!

 

[colinsunderland]

NO justification for any lockdown or restrictions!

Not even bothering to hide where you get your shite from now?

Can you back up the figures you have quoted over the past few days please? More than me have asked, so I think it would be appropriate to answer them.

Especially where you get the 1.5 million cancer cases from, where you got normal deaths is 80 per million. Suicide rate up by 300%?

 

[mina1929]

Look at the state of this...

going to bed shortly, play nice you lot.

What is that round brown thing?

 

[mcgameboy]

What is that round brown thing?

An onion bhaji, smothered in Kiwi shoe polish. I think......

 

[mina1929]

An onion bhaji, smothered in Kiwi shoe polish. I think......

I don't think Ben knows either because he is taking a long time to find out what it is lol

What is bhaji?

 

[Playford7]

I don't think Ben knows either because he is taking a long time to find out what it is lol

What is bhaji?

It’s a bhaji, it wasn’t v pleasant... neither was the toilet this morning

 

[mina1929]

It’s a bhaji, it wasn’t v pleasant... neither was the toilet this morning

You have to be very careful not to eat strange things Still didn't tell me what bhaji is. I will google now but have to go to work soon.

 

[mina1929]

Got it now, onion balls

 

[ChopleyIOM]

1,162 dead from Covid in the UK in the last 24 hours.

Australia has had less than 1000 Covid deaths during the entire pandemic.

From today's press conference.

 

[cncas2123]

Another potential treatment for those needing hospitalisation with Covid.... but still no sign of HCQ, the Trump wonder drug, working..

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[shadow123]

The reason the corridors are empty is so simple,no visiting allowed,its not rocket science,went to take
stuff to ask the staff to give to my wife during her stays at various times last year, it was always dead.

 

[shadow123]

It’s a bhaji, it wasn’t v pleasant... neither was the toilet this morning

Should have saved yourself the trouble and just stuck it in the toilet, sounds like it was the best place for it

 

[Playford7]

Should have saved yourself the trouble and just stuck it in the toilet, sounds like it was the best place for it

Cant deny this, but I’ve bought a meat samosa tonight from the same place...

pics and report to follow

 

[colinsunderland]

Cant deny this, but I’ve bought a meat samosa tonight from the same place...

pics and report to follow

I genuinely thought it was the burger from the microwave burger you bought
I actually like those, they are my guilty pleasure, usually buy whichever one is on for £1 when I'm shopping on a Friday, then eat it when I cba to cook lol.

 

[mack341]

1,162 dead from Covid in the UK in the last 24 hours.

Australia has had less than 1000 Covid deaths during the entire pandemic.

What's australia done differently to explain this miracle then chop?

 

[colinsunderland]

What's australia done differently to explain this miracle then chop?

A proper early lockdown, decent track and trace and mandatory quarantine of ANYONE going into the country.
Dealer will be along soon to tell us why I'm wrong though as lockdowns and restrictions actually increase transmission rates apparently.

 

[Playford7]

I genuinely thought it was the burger from the microwave burger you bought
I actually like those, they are my guilty pleasure, usually buy whichever one is on for £1 when I'm shopping on a Friday, then eat it when I cba to cook lol.

I got a bacon double cheeseburger tonight, pics to follow.

 

[Steviedoo]

I got a bacon double cheeseburger tonight, pics to follow.

What about fries or chips as you call them...

 

[Playford7]

A proper early lockdown, decent track and trace and mandatory quarantine of ANYONE going into the country.
Dealer will be along soon to tell us why I'm wrong though as lockdowns and restrictions actually increase transmission rates apparently.

Manc, this isn’t a joke but cheetham hill, Asian sector..

every single shop is open, from your barber to your dentist... it’s heaving..

Over god knows how many corner shops all Open with (friends and family rammed outside, no masks..

honestly. It’s like a free for all... utterly appealing scenes, but as it’s Islam lets all hush... there culture alone, also going on official stats have made this mess a lot worse...

 

[Playford7]

What about fries or chips as you call them...

Meatballs, naan and tandoori chicken, garlic bread and other protein rich foods..

 

[mack341]

A proper early lockdown, decent track and trace and mandatory quarantine of ANYONE going into the country.
Dealer will be along soon to tell us why I'm wrong though as lockdowns and restrictions actually increase transmission rates apparently.

This points more to govt mistakes then, too much covid arrived via infected people that were allowed to re/enter the uk without impediment. No track and trace to follow the trails and isolate carriers...

 

[dealer wins]

A proper early lockdown, decent track and trace and mandatory quarantine of ANYONE going into the country.
Dealer will be along soon to tell us why I'm wrong though as lockdowns and restrictions actually increase transmission rates apparently.

Lockdowns are a direct violation of our fundamental human rights and freedoms.

You can argue all you like, but after WW1 and WW2 these rights need to be upheld no matter what the situation.

Otherwise we dont have them.

And FYI in the UK deaths are running at normal levels for early Jan. Nothing to see here, no pandemic, no bodies in the streets, no funeral parlours overwhelmed, just an inept head of the NHS lying his arse off.

 

[colinsunderland]

Lockdowns are a direct violation of our fundamental human rights and freedoms.

You can argue all you like, but after WW1 and WW2 these rights need to be upheld no matter what the situation.

Otherwise we dont have them.

And FYI in the UK deaths are running at normal levels for early Jan. Nothing to see here, no pandemic, no bodies in the streets, no funeral parlours overwhelmed, just an inept head of the NHS lying his arse off.

Do you actually believe any of the shite you post?
Are these the same human rights you said were being breached when you were blabbering on about the police not being able to ask people why they didn't have masks on, then failed to show the section, and instead started banging on about discrimination instead? Which was also wrong.
You've already been proven wrong about the deaths, you stated 80 per million is normal, the Covid deaths ALONE are 250% higher than what you state is normal. Still waiting for you to show where you got that number from too, I'll obviously have a long wait as you are a liar.

How about you explain how Australia are doing so well, despite having stricter rules than we do, surely they should have worse figures going from your logic?

 

[mack341]

I can see a possible argument that with the vaccine program being rolled out and a new covid variant, which could be more contagious, a short lockdown could make sense to buy some time [and being as we've done so much collateral damage already, how much more harm will say a month do]

However even if I was in favour of that measure, I'd still want to be able to trust the govt/hosp stats. But because of the PCR test/diagnosis issues and the 28 day death criteria, it's hard to believe they are accurate.

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Deaths according to google:
2019 = 530,841 england and wales
2020 = 543,335

Wouldn't you expect a greater difference considering an additional 77,000 covid deaths? [if these google death figures are correct]

 

[dealer wins]

Do you actually believe any of the shite you post?
Are these the same human rights you said were being breached when you were blabbering on about the police not being able to ask people why they didn't have masks on, then failed to show the section, and instead started banging on about discrimination instead? Which was also wrong.
You've already been proven wrong about the deaths, you stated 80 per million is normal, the Covid deaths ALONE are 250% higher than what you state is normal. Still waiting for you to show where you got that number from too, I'll obviously have a long wait as you are a liar.

How about you explain how Australia are doing so well, despite having stricter rules than we do, surely they should have worse figures going from your logic?

The Hague ruled that human rights must never be overruled, no matter what.

 

[dealer wins]

I can see a possible argument that with the vaccine program being rolled out and a new covid variant, that could be more contagious, a short lockdown could make sense to buy some time [and being as we've done so much collateral damage already, how much more harm will say a month do]

However even if I was in favour of that measure, I'd still want to be able to trust the govt/hosp stats. But because of the PCR test/diagnosis issues and the 28 day death criteria, it's hard to believe they are accurate.

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Deaths according to google:
2019 = 530,841 england and wales
2020 = 543,335

Wouldn't you expect a greater difference considering an additional 77,000 covid deaths? [if these google death figures are correct]

If it was a proper pandemic, we would be looking at 2,000,000 to 5,000,000 deaths.

 

[colinsunderland]

I can see a possible argument that with the vaccine program being rolled out and a new covid variant, that could be more contagious, a short lockdown could make sense to buy some time [and being as we've done so much collateral damage already, how much more harm will say a month do]

However even if I was in favour of that measure, I'd still want to be able to trust the govt/hosp stats. But because of the PCR test/diagnosis issues and the 28 day death criteria, it's hard to believe they are accurate.

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Deaths according to google:
2019 = 530,841 england and wales
2020 = 543,335

Wouldn't you expect a greater difference considering an additional 77,000 covid deaths? [if these google death figures are correct]

Not really, as you have to look at everything as a whole. We had a very mild winter, and deaths were down compared to normal in Jan/Feb. Social distancing and lockdowns have affected the number of people catching flu (and therefore less deaths), and then there are things like road deaths and workplace deaths were down during the lockdown. If Covid-19 didn't happen, but we had all the measure in place we have over the past 10 months, then deaths would be down massively.

 

[colinsunderland]

If it was a proper pandemic, we would be looking at 2,000,000 to 5,000,000 deaths.

idiot

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A pandemic is the worldwide spread of a new disease.

Which is exactly what this is. It is literally the definition of a pandemic.

The Hague ruled that human rights must never be overruled, no matter what.

and? How does that answer a single question I asked?
Which exact section of the HRA does a lockdown breach?

 

[colinsunderland]

If it was a proper pandemic, we would be looking at 2,000,000 to 5,000,000 deaths.

What do you mean a proper pandemic?
So in a few weeks you will be coming back and saying it is a proper pandemic seeing as theres been over 1.9 million so far?

Deaths : 1,905,085

 

[snorky510238]

What's australia done differently to explain this miracle then chop?

It’s about 30 times bigger than the UK in land mass with about a third of the population. Along with the fact they don’t let people into their country willy-nilly, probably helped significantly.

I still think International travel has played a major part in spreading this virus. There we were, (the majority of us) playing our part during the first lockdown whilst still allowing thousands of people from all over the world into the country on a daily basis. Try and figure that out, an impossible scenario to police properly.

 

[mack341]

Not really, as you have to look at everything as a whole. We had a very mild winter, and deaths were down compared to normal in Jan/Feb. Social distancing and lockdowns have affected the number of people catching flu (and therefore less deaths), and then there are things like road deaths and workplace deaths were down during the lockdown. If Covid-19 didn't happen, but we had all the measure in place we have over the past 10 months, then deaths would be down massively.

24th Nov

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Over 30,000 non-Covid-19 excess deaths at home in England and Wales since March​

Extra deaths – known as “excess deaths” – are the number of deaths that are above the average for the corresponding period in the previous five years.

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I think more people will have died before their time because the NHS service has been restricted, hardly any face to face GP appointments, thousands of operations and tests postponed; plus the relentless fear people have been exposed to by the media, [and the initial 'save the nhs' message] probably put people off from going to get things checked out. [if in fact it had been possible in their area]

 

[slotplayer]

What's australia done differently to explain this miracle then chop?

1162 is high. over 3500+ here in a day. If the UK was the same population as US and all things being equal you're talking around 5673 UK deaths in a day by my math. (332/68) * 1162 (If I have the math wrong let me know.)

 

[mack341]

1162 is high. over 3500+ here in a day. If the UK was the same population as US and all things being equal you're talking around 5673 UK deaths in a day by my math. (332/68) * 1162 (If I have the math wrong let me know.)

Looks correct to me Slotplayer, we're effectively having similar figures to new york in their first wave I guess. [not now they seem to be better]
I read somewhere today that california's figures are still bad, despite all the lockdown measures introduced, and there's not much more they can lockdown.

 

[slotplayer]

Looks correct to me Slotplayer, we're effectively having similar figures to new york in their first wave I guess. [not now they seem to be better]
I read somewhere today that california's figures are still bad, despite all the lockdown measures introduced, and there's not much more they can lockdown.

I was just looking at California, its a total mess there. I was way off in my assessment of California back in March. I thought they'd get hit hard since the covid started in the NW corner and I thought it would move southward, plus Los Angles is densely populated.
California was the world's 5th largest economy in 2018, (now its India) and they're petitioning to recall the Governor.

Its Biden's mess now. I wish him luck. National lockdown maybe coming to the US.

@dealer

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[Mr_Slot5]

Currently isolating with COVID. Caught it New Years Day off a symptomatic colleague who thought he was hungover. Ended up knocking him for six for 3 days. I had slight irritation at back of nose and chest has felt 'heavy' past couple of days. Still have taste, although it's a bit off.

Taking nothing for granted and resting as much as I can.

 

[Slottery]

CFR rate (which like stated top of graph "During an outbreak of a pandemic the CFR is a poor measure of the mortality risk of the disease") in UK looks bit more positive what it used to be, but as stated, it's poor measure, one big reason is that infections and deaths don't update same and don't have really accurate measures in delays as people get tested all same amount of time after infection, some pass away faster some slower etc.. But it being lower never is bad news at least.

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