Corona virus - Covid 19 discussion

[mack341]

Alright...I'll start asking from you. How many people get those kind of severe adverse effects from vaccines?

By the way if all people have gotten covid in the UK. Mortality rate would be about 0,1% already (0.09%). With current numbers it's more like 3,6%. Let's say there are double the amount of covid infected people than the stats show. It still would be 1,8% mortality rate.
And where the hell you get this info that vitamin D saves 50% of those people? You're like a well of disinformation. You like to make things sound simple and good and stuff. But you're just lying or are misinformed.

well you can do the research on vit d yourself mr troll, and perhaps read John P. A. Ioannidis' study on the covid mortality rate, in this bulletin from the WHO

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Vitamin D - dr campbell has done several videos on it, and studies are ongoing...you dismiss it making a 50% difference, well how much difference do you think it could make, if you don't know, why dismiss it out of hand?

 

[slotplayer]

Chop you make it sound like you're deciding this on the basis of loyalty to vaccines, i.e. they've given so much to us in the past it would be mean to say no this time

And If it's 'so safe' why do the various pharma firms need exemptions from being sued due to potential harm caused?

In a press conference with journalists on Wednesday, Ben Osborn, Pfizer’s UK managing director, refused to explain why the company needed an indemnity.
He said: “We’re not actually disclosing any of the details around any of the aspects of that agreement and specifically around the liability clauses.”

The Department of Health and Social Care confirmed an indemnity was in place for Pfizer and added that the government would be adding the

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to the list of vaccinations covered by the Vaccine Damages Payments Act.
This pays out a one-off £120,000 payment to people who are permanently disabled or harmed as a result of a listed vaccination.

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A rogue strain of the measles, mumps and rubella vaccine caused deafness in children, the Government has admitted.

Katie Stephen, 21, who lost the use of her left ear days after being inoculated, is the first known victim to prove her case to the Vaccine Damage Payments Unit.

But she has been refused the £120,000 payout for vaccine injury because she still has hearing in her other ear.

To qualify for the program, a person must be severely disabled as a result of a vaccination, and the disablement must be assessed as at least 60%.


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Tbh I'm struggling to get inside the heads of people that are very keen to get vaccinated with a new type of technology, for a virus with a 0.25% mortality rate on average, and which taking vit d cuts the already low risk of dying by half.

You answered your own question its new technology. I was a little taken back when the media said big pharma were exempt from liability but I'm not as alarmed as I originally was.

I expect there will be long lines for the vaccine once its rolled out in mass but I'm holding out to get it as long as I can if at all.

 

[bamberfishcake]

To realistically consider how many people have had adverse effects from vaccines you have to wonder about how it is proven.

Considering most medicines come with a list of adverse effects such as 'antidepressants can have an adverse effect of depression' I cant imagine proving your effects have come from the vaccine or even getting to a stage where a case would be considered would be an easy feat.

Maybe putting your faith in drug companies whose drivers are 'profit,profit,profit' is opening yourself up to being ill-informed and dumb to the prospect that its not in yours or humanities best interests.

 

[vorcirion]

well you can do the research on vit d yourself mr troll, and perhaps read John P. A. Ioannidis' study on the covid mortality rate, in this bulletin from the WHO

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Vitamin D - dr campbell has done several videos on it, and studies are ongoing...you dismiss it making a 50% difference, well how much difference do you think it could make, if you don't know why dismiss it out of hand?

Of course vitamin D or any vitamin that gives you better health keeps you safer from different illnesses. But saying that it cuts the mortality rate by half is ridiculous unless there's actual scientific proof from many sources.

 

[mack341]

Of course vitamin D or any vitamin that gives you better health keeps you safer from different illnesses. But saying that it cuts the mortality rate by half is ridiculous unless there's actual scientific proof from many sources.

Have you specifically looked into it? There has been a study that has made that claim, and other studies that conclude vitd reduces the severity.

You've got to look into it for yourself, rather than just troll.

 

[vorcirion]

Alright...I'll start asking from you. How many people get those kind of severe adverse effects from vaccines?

By the way if all people have gotten covid in the UK. Mortality rate would be about 0,1% already (0.09%). With current numbers it's more like 3,6%. Let's say there are double the amount of covid infected people than the stats show. It still would be 1,8% mortality rate.
And where the hell you get this info that vitamin D saves 50% of those people? You're like a well of disinformation. You like to make things sound simple and good and stuff. But you're just lying or are misinformed.

But to my main point! How many people get those severe adverse effects from vaccines in your opinion?

 

[geordiecolin]

I am very torn for a number of reasons. I understand that the development of this "vaccine" has used the newest methods and that the reasons for it been produced so quickly is logical and sound. However there are facts that are not being highlighted in the media and big tech and just as worrying for me is the conflicting messages coming out from official statements.
The public are being left to understand that it will give us immunity from covid when actually it will not. We are led to believe that it will prevent us from passing it on to Gran when it will do no such thing.
What it will do is reduce the symptoms of it should we catch it,but we will be left with the same likelihood of passing it on.
Yet we recently had a statement which utterly contradicts that by no other than Professor Jothathan Van-Tam who is England's deputy Chief Medical Officer when asked how can we trust that the vaccine will work.
In tests on volunteers one half were given the vaccine and the other where given a placebo and neither half knew what they where given.
"What we are looking for is none or very few in the vaccination arm getting the disease and a lot more in the dummy arm getting the disease. If you don't get the comparison then you don't get to know if it works"
How can a vaccine that is only designed to reduce the symptoms of a disease bring results that prevented those trial volunteers from getting it?

He stated that in those trials carried out by the 3 main players on about 100,000 people that they included the most at risk despite us learning that the over 65 where not used in the trials.
Personally I have decided to sit back and see how things pan out over the first few months of them being administered before making my mind up

 

[vorcirion]

Have you specifically looked into it? There has been a study that has made that claim, and other studies that conclude vitd reduces the severity.

You've got to look into it for yourself, rather than just troll.

Okay I can admit that you seem to be right about vitamin D. I assumed you were trolling with your history of HCQ and zinc and UV lights and whatnot. In this instance you are correct and I apologize.

Now I would like an answer about vaccines.

 

[slotplayer]

Dr. Fauci here said the UK jumped the gun on approving the vaccine so quickly but another doctor disagreed and said the UK received the data as the trial went on so they were ahead of other countries.

I'll add it here: I heard about the positive effects of vitamin D long ago.

 

[mack341]

You answered your own question its new technology. I was a little taken back when the media said big pharma were exempt from liability but I'm not as alarmed as I originally was.

I expect there will be long lines for the vaccine once its rolled out in mass but I'm holding out to get it as long as I can if at all.

My parents have just had a batch of vaccinations for various things that become more dangerous with age, pneumonia etc... a lot of that is based on trust, things have been tested, side effects are rare.

I'm not advising anyone not to take this vaccine, but it would be good if people knew all the relevant factors, like vit D, old age, obesity, risk of side effects.

I'd say if pfizer or whoever can't face claims for harm, and the govt will provide compensation instead, it needs to reform the act, 60% disability is too high a threshold for something the govt and media are pushing the public hard to have.

As I said earlier I could be wrong on this law, so would welcome anyone else to look into it, it's not easy to find answers to simple questions these days.

edit: I think ronnie reagan changed the law in the US re vaccines, that the govt provides compensation.

 

[slotplayer]

My parents have just had a batch of vaccinations for various things that become more dangerous with age, pneumonia etc... a lot of that is based on trust, things have been tested, side effects are rare.

I'm not advising anyone not to take this vaccine, but it would be good if people knew all the relevant factors, like vit D, old age, obesity, risk of side effects.

I'd say if pfizer or whoever can't face claims for harm, and the govt will provide compensation instead, it needs to reform the act, 60% disability is too high a threshold for something the govt and media are pushing the public hard to have.

As I said earlier I could be wrong on this law, so would welcome anyone else to look into it, it's not easy to find answers to simple questions these days.

I don't know too much about vaccines or the liability terms but as a life's rule I avoid them and most medicines. Although the last two years I did get the flu vaccine. However, that was more convenience than anything else as I had to find a new doctor for the annual physical and they offered it in their office.

I did get somewhat alarmed when they said the elderly would be among the first to get the covid19 vaccine but they did discuss it for months.

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[mack341]

Interviews like this reinforce my belief that being cautious and questioning are the right approach, and realise how much gaslighting people will expose you to in order to 'win' this lockdown/covid-19 argument, that the path the uk govt wants to take is the only correct one available. [morally etc..]

 

[pinnit2014]

To realistically consider how many people have had adverse effects from vaccines you have to wonder about how it is proven.

Considering most medicines come with a list of adverse effects such as 'antidepressants can have an adverse effect of depression' I cant imagine proving your effects have come from the vaccine or even getting to a stage where a case would be considered would be an easy feat.

Maybe putting your faith in drug companies whose drivers are 'profit,profit,profit' is opening yourself up to being ill-informed and dumb to the prospect that its not in yours or humanities best interests.

Did you watch the film Dark Waters about Dupont and the whole PFOA (Teflon)? They'd to set up health screening groups that took >10years before they could realistically attribute the diseases - no easy task.

Not a great film (you can grab the book by Bilott) but gives a taste for the nefarious doings of large corps with wealth and power.

 

[bamberfishcake]

Did you watch the film Dark Waters about Dupont and the whole PFOA (Teflon)? They'd to set up health screening groups that took >10years before they could realistically attribute the diseases - no easy task.

Not a great film (you can grab the book by Bilott) but gives a taste for the nefarious doings of large corps with wealth and power.

Ooh not seen it but sounds interesting. Ill try them both i think, thanks.

Yes i believe we are victims of our own greed. When pharmaceutical companies are listed on the stock exchange, entwined in our financial markets, pushing pills and targeted on sales then there are problems. Some industries, like healthcare, should be operated very differently.

I find this kind of stuff very interesting and i dont like to be fooled but not much to actually do but enjoy the ride

Edit: Just found this on it.....hooked on the intro lol will have to watch it after the watershed though, the kids want to watch Where The Wild Things Are.

 

[bamberfishcake]

@pinnit2014 Just finished watching the above doc and im shocked over so many things. I'll watch the film after ive worked out what contaminated products i need to get out of my house immediately.

Some things im still in shock about:

1) Dupont had to go back to blood samples taken from recruits for the Korean War to find 'clean' blood because all other blood sources checked showed contamination.
2) EPA were seemingly involved in trying to cover it up.
3) The new chemical they manufacture with a spin off company might be as bad (listed on the NYSE).
4) 3M stopped using it because of how harmful it was so Dupont fired up a manufacturing plant AND were allowed by the US to do it.

Oh my days, i need to calm down with some slot play now.....once ive cleansed my house of contaminated products........were all doooooomed!!

Not shocked to again see mans greed dragging humanity downward. They'll be lowering RTP's next.

 

[pinnit2014]

@pinnit2014 Just finished watching the above doc and im shocked over so many things. I'll watch the film after ive worked out what contaminated products i need to get out of my house immediately.

Some things im still in shock about:

1) Dupont had to go back to blood samples taken from recruits for the Korean War to find 'clean' blood because all other blood sources checked showed contamination.
2) EPA were seemingly involved in trying to cover it up.
3) The new chemical they manufacture with a spin off company might be as bad (listed on the NYSE).
4) 3M stopped using it because of how harmful it was so Dupont fired up a manufacturing plant AND were allowed by the US to do it.

Oh my days, i need to calm down with some slot play now.....once ive cleansed my house of contaminated products........were all doooooomed!!

Not shocked to again see mans greed dragging humanity downward. They'll be lowering RTP's next.

Watch out for the scratches on the old frying pans! - go cast iron

Seemingly, after knowing or having an inclination over what effects it might be having, they laced cigs and handed them out to staff to 'test'.

Not a days prison time was served by anyone there as well - crazy.

 

[bamberfishcake]

Watch out for the scratches on the old frying pans! - go cast iron

Seemingly, after knowing or having an inclination over what effects it might be having, they laced cigs and handed them out to staff to 'test'.

Not a days prison time was served by anyone there as well - crazy.

And this is the stuff we know about. Just shows how much were at the mercy of them.

Off the grid living never looked so good.

 

[slotplayer]

We have a mask mandate and a strongly imposed lockdown, the chart was yesterdays' numbers, today they said over 6.7k cases, a new record. Way past March/April numbers now with (perhaps) the worst yet to come.

 

[Playford7]

Well this thread since my corona absence has taken a turn for the worst...

clearly withdrawal from members missing my Michelin star cooking.

obviously I’ve friends and members to address first regarding my absence.

but for all others the csa, police are most unpleasant at times and my personal life and finances and lack of (sometimes) take precedent.

anyhow I’m back, should anyone wish to speak only a PM away, just going to work through those missed the past weeks now.

peace x

 

[dealer wins]

Welcome back mate!!

 

[slotplayer]

I'm curious when they roll out the covid candy how many show up for (2nd) booster shot if its not mandatory and will a low turn out cause the covid to spike again weeks/months later?

 

[sufferinsilence]

 

[dealer wins]

Think the yooooot in London have had enough of restrictions.

Funny don't see the police in riot gear battens out this time, thats reserved for peaceful lockdown protests. They run away or kneel to BLMers.

 

[sufferinsilence]

Stark contrast between Australia where they listened to the authorities, and Great Britain where they fight the authorities.

One can just wonder what the best resolve is...

 

[sufferinsilence]

 

[geordiecolin]

That is sad news given his age and he comes across as being every bit as frail.

 

[vorcirion]

That is sad news given his age and he comes across as being every bit as frail.

Sad my ass. That's what you get when you're in Trump world doing everything as irresponsibly as you can. Stupidity does these things.

 

[colinsunderland]

Think the yooooot in London have had enough of restrictions.

Funny don't see the police in riot gear battens out this time, thats reserved for peaceful lockdown protests. They run away or kneel to BLMers.

Are you ever going to post anything in this thread that isn't inflammatory, or even true?
That was the police breaking up a house party about 5 months ago. It has nothing at all to do with a BLM protest or anything like it.

 

[bigbear]

Given his reference to the 'China virus' and other assorted rants, you really have to wonder whether Trump is actually mentally unstable.Thank God for the American people that he will be gone in just over a month and we might actually see policies that will result in their death rate starting to fall.

 

[Kenji85]

Are you ever going to post anything in this thread that isn't inflammatory, or even true?
That was the police breaking up a house party about 5 months ago. It has nothing at all to do with a BLM protest or anything like it.

Lol. I knew I recognised the vid.

That particular twitter account has a few posts with captions that are nothing more than scaremongering imo

 

[slotplayer]

Top 20 Most Affected Covid Countries (Source)

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[mina1929]

Its all good here in AU with only 7 cases yesterday but seeing all other countries with numbers rising is really sad.

When will all this end, it has been a year already hasn't it?

 

[ChopleyIOM]

First person in the UK got vaccinated this morning

(Outside of trials, that is.)

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Also, here is a really good three minute explanation of the vaccine and how it works, if anyone wants to learn a bit about this SCARY NEW TECHNOLOGY that we shouldn't be letting anywhere near our bodies.

SPOILER ALERT - It's fine.

 

[mack341]

spoiler alert: you cannot fully know yet






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I would tend to think the vaccines will be as safe as other vaccines, and you can't launch digital ID systems off the back of an unpopular or feared vaccine, but who is to say a little bit of population/fertility control down the road is not on the govts/elite and powerful's minds. [with later mRNA vaccines]

Annual world population growth is currently 83 million, so in 10 years that is another 12 uk's. [And 10 years seems to go very quick compared to the olden days] How is that compatible with 'climate change' and green sustainability.

 

[chuchu59]

In Hong Kong, with a population of 7.5 million we are currently having around 100 new cases daily and the government has gone mad. From T

 

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[colinsunderland]

Pathetic click bait from the author there, implying there were 9000 false positives.

 

[mack341]

Pathetic click bait from the author there, implying there were 9000 false positives.

care to expand? I'm not scientifically advanced, but what do these results mean instead then?

 

[Kroffe]

I dont know why she says its "quite something"
Isnt 0.3% false positive pretty low? Maybe its high, i have no idea what kind of numbers these kinds of tests normally produce.
But 1 in 373 or 0.3% sounds like a pretty low rate of false positives.


From the pic.

 

[mack341]

I dont know why she says its "quite something"
Isnt 0.3% false positive pretty low? Maybe its high, i have no idea what kind of numbers these kinds of tests normally produce.
But 1 in 373 or 0.3% sounds like a pretty low rate of false positives.


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Is she saying then, out of 9,000 odd students tested none were positive rather than " EVERY SINGLE ONE was found to be a False Positive after a second test "

Reading the comments under her post hasn't particularly helped me understand it, the document says '9,376 valid test results' not 9,376 positive results maybe that is the mistake, still if 9,000 odd students were tested with no positives after a 2nd test, maybe doing just one test is not a good idea and need a 2nd one to confirm cases.

edit: I get it now, it's how she's written it, if she'd put 'from the 9,000 tested' it makes better sense

 

[mack341]

with more reading I'm starting to understand it, 9,000 odd tests resulted in 10 positive cases but after a confirmation test they turned out all to be false; once you scale this up to number of tests going on in the country many could be false positives, only a 2nd test would confirm though

 

[colinsunderland]

with more reading I'm starting to understand it, 9,000 odd tests resulted in 10 positive cases but after a confirmation test they turned out all to be false; once you scale this up to number of tests going on in the country many could be false positives, only a 2nd test would confirm though

Thats right, but it's not a secret, the government etc has always stated they expect a false positive of around 0.5%. If anything it could be argued that those figures actually show the test is more reliable than expected.
The author of the tweet is either stupid, or she deliberately constructed the tweet to make the testing sound really bad, I would side with the latter considering the data is in the tweet. Whatever you think about Covid/testing/lockdowns etc, fake news doesn't help anyone, it just creates outrage that isn't justified.

The fact she put 9000 into the tweet and not the fact there were only a fifth of that actually tested, and of those only 10 were positive shows what she was doing.

To put this into perspective alongside another test, but you don't see headlines about this

The chance of having a false positive result after one mammogram ranges from 7-12 percent, depending on your age (younger women are more likely to have a false positive results) [28]. After 10 yearly mammograms, the chance of having a false positive is about 50-60 percent [19-21].

 

[ChopleyIOM]

The author of the tweet is either stupid, or she deliberately constructed the tweet to make the testing sound really bad, I would side with the latter considering the data is in the tweet. Whatever you think about Covid/testing/lockdowns etc, fake news doesn't help anyone, it just creates outrage that isn't justified.

The fact she put 9000 into the tweet and not the fact there were only a fifth of that actually tested, and of those only 10 were positive shows what she was doing.

Julia Hartley-Brewer has all the journalistic rigour of Boris Johnson*, the moral integrity of, erm, Boris Johnson, and a grasp of facts that's roughly analogous to, y'know, I'll just go with Boris Johnson again.

Hence her tweet.


* Famously sacked twice for lying, of course.

 

[mack341]

The fact she put 9000 into the tweet and not the fact there were only a fifth of that actually tested, and of those only 10 were positive shows what she was doing.

I thought when it said 4.8 persons per testing pool, that if you multiply the 1937 figure by 4.8, and add back in the voided tests you get close to the 9,376 tests?

defintely wish I hadn't posted it now

 

[colinsunderland]

I thought when it said 4.8 persons per testing pool, that if you multiply the 1937 figure by 4.8, and add back in the voided tests you get close to the 9,376 tests?

defintely wish I hadn't posted it now

yes but they still hadn't done 9000 tests

 

[slotplayer]

Presentation leads to perception.
Just what I was pointing out back on Thanksgiving in the Global News video, but no one picked up on it so I let it go.
At that time the video said 1000 US hospitals were getting overwhelmed, by my math that was about 16% of total US hospitals.

 

[dealer wins]

More talk of lockdowns.

We've tried 2 now, THEY DONT WORK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Dear god just lets just learn to live with this without destroying our financial futures!!! The NHS is actually less busy than normal for December!! ARRRGGGHHHHHHHH

 

[colinsunderland]

More talk of lockdowns.

We've tried 2 now, THEY DONT WORK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Dear god just lets just learn to live with this without destroying our financial futures!!! The NHS is actually less busy than normal for December!! ARRRGGGHHHHHHHH

We have had 2 lockdowns. Both times, cases, people admitted to hospital, people on ventilators and deaths have dropped.
How is that not working?

 

[dealer wins]

We have had 2 lockdowns. Both times, cases, people admitted to hospital, people on ventilators and deaths have dropped.
How is that not working?

Because they don't work, even the WHO says so. But worse, they condemn people with serious but treatable illnesses to death (In their 10s of thousands, Bristol uni est 560,000), kill jobs, businesses, and the resulting economic decline will threaten our having an NHS, cause widespread poverty and destitution, increase suicides exponentially and could quite possibly take us to a 3rd world way of life.