Corona virus - Covid 19 discussion

[Playford7]

Lasagne (homemade) chips and salad, also crusty bread out of shot.

Bloody knackered so off to bed.

Peace and love and best wishes
Ben and paws

 

[slotplayer]

I was going to pretty much say this earlier but decided not to post. Really describes many countries.

 

[bamberfishcake]

Is it me or does this woman look suspiciously like Michael Jackson?!

 

[ChopleyIOM]

IMO The reason UK doing relatively well is we had a weaker lockdown that most of Europe, so have a bit more herd immunity.

The stricter the March lockdowns were, the less immunity hence higher rates now.

Let's see what the messaging is from Sweden with regards to herd immunity.

Sweden isn't going for herd immunity, no country is going for herd immunity, it isn't going to happen, it's never happened, ever, with an infectious disease - without a vaccine.

The pandemic is approaching a “critical juncture” in Sweden after the number of daily cases rose by 70 per cent in a week, according to the country’s chief epidemiologist.

Anders Tegnell, the public face of the Swedish authorities’ coronavirus response, said it would be futile and immoral for a state to deliberately pursue

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, where a large enough number of the population has been infected so that the disease struggles to spread.

“Throughout history there has up to now been no infectious disease whose transmission was fully halted by herd immunity without a vaccine,” Dr Tegnell told Die Zeit, a weekly newspaper in Germany.

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[colinsunderland]

But how can sweden be getting worse, we've constantly been told by people on this thread how they are so good at it and we should have done the same, not that any of those people answer simple questions about it.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Something something green tea MSM is in on it and government is trying to kill us all there's no other explanation let's just get back to normal and let a new infectious disease we don't fully understand yet kill tens of thousands of people, and leave a huge number of others with long term crippling health conditions, and the millions of people who qualify as vulnerable can stay hiding in their cupboards forever. Fuck those vulnerable people, it's their own fault for being vulnerable in the first place.

Also herd immunity, let's just keep saying that as if it means something, when it doesn't. At all.

Problem solved, I know fuck all about any of this shit but I've fixed it anyway. You're welcome. Just common sense really innit.

 

[colinsunderland]

Herd immunity doesn't work without a vaccine, all the so called experts who want it, have no answers to how it would actually work. As far as I'm aware, herd immunity has never been achieved, anywhere in the world, without an available vaccine. Happy to be proven wrong though by anyone who promotes it in this thread.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Herd immunity doesn't work without a vaccine, all the so called experts who want it, have no answers to how it would actually work. As far as I'm aware, herd immunity has never been achieved, anywhere in the world, without an available vaccine. Happy to be proven wrong though by anyone who promotes it in this thread.

It's never happened. There is some evidence that a degree of herd immunity to Covid-19 was temporarily achieved in the migrant worker population in Qatar earlier in the year, and also in the Brazilian city of Manaus. However it should be noted that these are both populations where extreme poverty and chronic overcrowding is prevalent, and they ended up burying thousands of people in unmarked graves, with no attempt to save lives or hospitalise the sick, so not necessarily an experiment we want to repeat.

('Hey folks, if granny gets ill she's just going to suffocate to death in her chair, that's OK, right?')

Herd immunity is a total non-starter, it's bullshit, it's pseudo-science of the lowest order and every time the phrase is used in relation to it being achieved through infection a little bit of me dies inside. The only way it's going to happen is through vaccination.

This was Manaus earlier in the year, and infections are now rising again.

The truth is that herd immunity has never been achieved by natural infection.

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[mina1929]

I just want to see my daughter for Xmas, she lives in Melbourne. Today we had to start wearing masks again at work, just when I thought it was nearly over

There was only 14 cases across Australia so I don't know what's going on.

 

[Borgie]

I just want to see my daughter for Xmas, she lives in Melbourne. Today we had to start wearing masks again at work, just when I thought it was nearly over

There was only 14 cases across Australia so I don't know what's going on.

14 cases so low. Good job done overall Australia. 24000 cases odd here and still a lot of people will not wear masks ....

 

[mack341]

Something something green tea MSM is in on it and government is trying to kill us all there's no other explanation let's just get back to normal and let a new infectious disease we don't fully understand yet kill tens of thousands of people, and leave a huge number of others with long term crippling health conditions, and the millions of people who qualify as vulnerable can stay hiding in their cupboards forever. Fuck those vulnerable people, it's their own fault for being vulnerable in the first place.

Also herd immunity, let's just keep saying that as if it means something, when it doesn't. At all.

Problem solved, I know fuck all about any of this shit but I've fixed it anyway. You're welcome. Just common sense really innit.

Is this a not so subtle dig because I posted a chart of results from a green tea study a page back or so?

I was meaning to have a rest from posting in this thread but I feel once again a cheapshot has been aimed in my direction, and that has to be replied to.

" F*** these vulnerable people" why do you have to revert to swearing in order to make this point, and if you're linking me to this mode of thought I strongly object to this accusation of callousness.

[You might want to read the thread from yesterday if you haven't already Feedback - Casinomeister's open door policy regrding the need for a bit more civility in these types of debate threads]

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Japan's figures, a country of 125 million, greater tokyo area about 37 million, the deaths attributed to covid yesterday 5.

Total deaths to date 1,733

Yet they have not imposed a uk style lockdown, yes as a culture they are more use to & accept wearing masks, but most countries in the world have been using masks for some time now, millions in the uk, and france and spain I believe were especially strict about everyone needing to wear one.

edit: just to avoid confusion I am not claiming japan's low death rate is a result of drinking lots of green tea, but that they have achieved it without using a lockdown to upend/restrict normal life.

 

[ternur]

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Don't worry Mack. The important part was the green tea.

Have some

 

[mack341]

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Don't worry Mack. The important part was the green tea.

Have some

I've never tried this matcha method only the green tea bags, the whole tea making process/ceremony is very important in japanese culture I believe? Just looked it up and it mentions zen buddhism. and I was thinking of it in similar terms to a meditation, time out to connect and enjoy some calm. Our minds are forever on the go these days, as if trapped in perpetual motion.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Is this a not so subtle dig because I posted a chart of results from a green tea study a page back or so?

I was meaning to have a rest from posting in this thread but I feel once again a cheapshot has been aimed in my direction, and that has to be replied to.

" F*** these vulnerable people" why do you have to revert to swearing in order to make this point, and if you're linking me to this mode of thought I strongly object to this accusation of callousness.

[You might want to read the thread from yesterday if you haven't already Feedback - Casinomeister's open door policy regrding the need for a bit more civility in these types of debate threads]

First off mack the language isn't aimed at you or anyone as people, I'm not calling anyone names and I'm not telling anyone to 'fuck off' or suchlike. I never do that, and you will never see me do that in a post. I am referring to the wider attitude of 'let me go about my life and others who want to shield can do so' as if that is (a) Achievable in the first place (hint, it isn't) and (b) Doesn't also condemn millions of people to basically live a 'non-life' in perpetuity in the process (hint, it does).

@Harry_BKK listed a few of the massive issues with this approach a few pages back, and as ever his points were brushed aside or ignored.

That said, if my language is leaning into the profane a bit it's because I'm really bloody well fed up of trying to 'debate' with conspiracy theories, non-science, tinfoil hattery and general nonsense that isn't couched in anything even remotely resembling a fact or evidence based approach.

It reminds me of the whole Brexit debacle (and associated thread), except with Brexit objective reality has now made it so blindingly, irrefutably clear that the entire thing is a total shitshow predicated on falsehoods and lies that it's entered the realms of the utterly indefensible, and anyone still attempting to do so would be, in essence, a flat-earther.

As for Japan (and other countries) who've done well through Covid, all the information as to how they've coped better than elsewhere in the world is out there to be seen, and by extension, the reasons that we can't just replicate what they did here in the UK, or indeed we can't just replicate what Sweden did (for reasons that have already been explained, with evidence and citations, in this very thread).

That's not to say we can't learn from other countries, but with the state of infections in the UK at the moment, we're well past the tipping point in that regard. (And the same goes for many other European countries, as well as the USA where hospitals in many states are now ringing the alarm bells.)

 

[mack341]

First off mack the language isn't aimed at you or anyone as people, I'm not calling anyone names and I'm not telling anyone to 'fuck off' or suchlike. I never do that, and you will never see me do that in a post. I am referring to the wider attitude of 'let me go about my life and others who want to shield can do so' as if that is (a) Achievable in the first place (hint, it isn't) and (b) Doesn't also condemn millions of people to basically live a 'non-life' in perpetuity in the process (hint, it does).

@Harry_BKK listed a few of the massive issues with this approach a few pages back, and as ever his points were brushed aside or ignored.

That said, if my language is leaning into the profane a bit it's because I'm really bloody well fed up of trying to 'debate' with conspiracy theories, non-science, tinfoil hattery and general nonsense that isn't couched in anything even remotely resembling a fact or evidence based approach.

It reminds me of the whole Brexit debacle (and associated thread), except with Brexit objective reality has now made it so blindingly, irrefutably clear that the entire thing is a total shitshow predicated on falsehoods and lies that it's entered the realms of the utterly indefensible, and anyone still attempting to do so would be, in essence, a flat-earther.

As for Japan (and other countries) who've done well through Covid, all the information as to how they've coped better than elsewhere in the world is out there to be seen, and by extension, the reasons that we can't just replicate what they did here in the UK, or indeed we can't just replicate what Sweden did (for reasons that have already been explained, with evidence and citations, in this very thread).

That's not to say we can't learn from other countries, but with the state of infections in the UK at the moment, we're well past the tipping point in that regard. (And the same goes for many other European countries, as well as the USA where hospitals in many states are now ringing the alarm bells.)

Maybe it comes down to different perceptions of what we're giving up, who and what is being sacrificed [I know strong word] in pursuit of restricting a virus, which has about a 99.8% survival rate avg.

My focus is not about reinstalling lager lout culture while, and at the cost of, throwing vulnerable people under a bus.

Speaking as a person who will look into alternative theories [for say why the uk govt and media is reacting to the virus the way it is] I hope the theories are not true; but for me, it is part and parcel of having an inquisitive mind when lumbered with an assenting press and media who have blatantly lied and promoted govt propaganda in the past.

Anyone can post and say 'no you are wrong, there is nothing to worry about, once we get the vaccine, we return to normal life' but I don't see much of that. Sweden/japan have 'normality' now when even with a vaccine next year it seems we will not be allowed it.

 

[TheAddict]

Right, I was gonna let it slide. Believe me. But then I noticed that it seems other people actually agree with this. So it's time to lay down the truth.


"But adding milk to tea is just pure evil! It should be outright illegal."

It might seem a very simple thing to create, at least to the none connoisseurs in the field.
However, you can't simply just say "Hurr durr, because I'm British, I can make tea". It's not some sort of born privalige. This assumption alone, is the number one cause for the crumbling decline of our nation over the past years.

The attention to the little details makes all the difference. You wouldn't build a Ferrari and use mini metro break pads, would you?
Allow me to explain. Everything you might think is ok to ignore. is not ok to ignore. The variations of pressure applied onto the bag while caressing it in the hot water. Knowing exactly what time to introduce the slow, steady flow of the milk, which if done at the correct speed gives a clear indication of when to stop by producing the visibly correct signalling colour, as they begin to entwine into a somewhat silky, yet not watery neither milky, type of luxurious texture which you've almost ceartinly never witnessed anything close to before.
At this point, you will find it much easier to learn the most effective speed you should perform the teabagging . While you gently rotate the bag, you don't ever pull it fully out of the water, but there is a moment when it requires a few inches. Depending on the size of your bag.
If prepared upto that point correctly, you will naturally come to trust your instincts regarding how many times you are required to give it those few inches, and when.

So much can go wrong. A little too much milk? it's over. Irrecoverable. Put that milk in too soon, or too late? forget it. Pour that crap down the bog, don't offer it to your guests thinking just because you're going out of your way by providing them with some sort of totally botched refreshment to go alongside that cheap shitty digestive biscuit you thought you'd kindly put on the side of it, that either of these will be appreciated with any honesty. You know those people who respond with "I'll just have a water, thanks" Well, now you know why.

Just like most things in Britain require, a licence. How did our Country not take such measures to secure one of the very things that our culture is known for. What, facing any and all adversaries, has always binded us together in a way nothing else has ever done. Making those tremble at the thought of stepping on our land, and confronting the tea sipping Brits. It was one of our greatest strengths.
Implementing a requirement to hold a licence for anyone who attempts to possess or, God forbid, attempts to distribute the British brew without having proved themselves qualified to do so. It should have been the most obvious law to ever exist in Britain. And now we are paying the price.

A sad example of the what contributes so heavily to the decline of our nation, can be witnesed from my very own dearest Mother. My mother has been making tea since I have been alive. She has had almost twice the number of years that the World has been blessed with when I came into existence.
But why still, after my 38 years, she asks if I would like a cup of tea if she is making one despite never being answered with a yes during that entire time, is a complete mystery to me.
I tell her she can't make tea, that it tastes like shit. i don't even need to taste it to know it tastes like shit. If It looks like shit. It's gonna taste like shit.

Needless to say, she compliments my brew without needing to be asked Enthusiastically explaining how much better it is compared to the cups of piss she has been producing since some time in the 1950's. But even then, she still refuses to attempt to join the ranks of the British elite by putting the time and effort in that is required in order to sip amongst us with her head held high.


Since a child in his teens, regularly having been reminded by many as being one of the greatest brewers to ever exist on the Island and yet, even still, trying every day to exceed these unrivalled expectations. I must humbly ask that next time, before you slate something that you clearly know nothing about, that you at first get your shit together and educate yourselves about the complications involved in order to create something you ignorantly claim to detest so much. Which In this case is how to create a proper, all but extinct, British. Fkng. Brew.

 

[ternur]

Food for thought:

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[slotplayer]

US puts milk in tea and drinks cold beer not warm. A splash of milk is best but tea is also good without it like in the Chinese restaurants.

I actually watched this BBC video a few months ago, that's how bored I am.

 

[mack341]

US puts milk in tea and drinks cold beer not warm. A splash of milk is best but tea is also good without it like in the Chinese restaurants.

How do you have coffee at home typically, with milk? as I always assumed americans drank their coffee mostly black using a percolator pre year 2000- until all the latte/costa coffee etc.. I was bought a coffee pod machine but haven't set it up yet

 

[Kroffe]

Right, I was gonna let it slide. Believe me. But then I noticed that it seems other people actually agree with this. So it's time to lay down the truth.


"But adding milk to tea is just pure evil! It should be outright illegal."

It might seem a very simple thing to create, at least to the none connoisseurs in the field.
However, you can't simply just say "Hurr durr, because I'm British, I can make tea". It's not some sort of born privalige. This assumption alone, is the number one cause for the crumbling decline of our nation over the past years.

The attention to the little details makes all the difference. You wouldn't build a Ferrari and use mini metro break pads, would you?
Allow me to explain. Everything you might think is ok to ignore. is not ok to ignore. The variations of pressure applied onto the bag while caressing it in the hot water. Knowing exactly what time to introduce the slow, steady flow of the milk, which if done at the correct speed gives a clear indication of when to stop by producing the visibly correct signalling colour, as they begin to entwine into a somewhat silky, yet not watery neither milky, type of luxurious texture which you've almost ceartinly never witnessed anything close to before.
At this point, you will find it much easier to learn the most effective speed you should perform the teabagging . While you gently rotate the bag, you don't ever pull it fully out of the water, but there is a moment when it requires a few inches. Depending on the size of your bag.
If prepared upto that point correctly, you will naturally come to trust your instincts regarding how many times you are required to give it those few inches, and when.

So much can go wrong. A little too much milk? it's over. Irrecoverable. Put that milk in too soon, or too late? forget it. Pour that crap down the bog, don't offer it to your guests thinking just because you're going out of your way by providing them with some sort of totally botched refreshment to go alongside that cheap shitty digestive biscuit you thought you'd kindly put on the side of it, that either of these will be appreciated with any honesty. You know those people who respond with "I'll just have a water, thanks" Well, now you know why.

Just like most things in Britain require, a licence. How did our Country not take such measures to secure one of the very things that our culture is known for. What, facing any and all adversaries, has always binded us together in a way nothing else has ever done. Making those tremble at the thought of stepping on our land, and confronting the tea sipping Brits. It was one of our greatest strengths.
Implementing a requirement to hold a licence for anyone who attempts to possess or, God forbid, attempts to distribute the British brew without having proved themselves qualified to do so. It should have been the most obvious law to ever exist in Britain. And now we are paying the price.

A sad example of the what contributes so heavily to the decline of our nation, can be witnesed from my very own dearest Mother. My mother has been making tea since I have been alive. She has had almost twice the number of years that the World has been blessed with when I came into existence.
But why still, after my 38 years, she asks if I would like a cup of tea if she is making one despite never being answered with a yes during that entire time, is a complete mystery to me.
I tell her she can't make tea, that it tastes like shit. i don't even need to taste it to know it tastes like shit. If It looks like shit. It's gonna taste like shit.

Needless to say, she compliments my brew without needing to be asked Enthusiastically explaining how much better it is compared to the cups of piss she has been producing since some time in the 1950's. But even then, she still refuses to attempt to join the ranks of the British elite by putting the time and effort in that is required in order to sip amongst us with her head held high.


Since a child in his teens, regularly having been reminded by many as being one of the greatest brewers to ever exist on the Island and yet, even still, trying every day to exceed these unrivalled expectations. I must humbly ask that next time, before you slate something that you clearly know nothing about, that you at first get your shit together and educate yourselves about the complications involved in order to create something you ignorantly claim to detest so much. Which In this case is how to create a proper, all but extinct, British. Fkng. Brew.

 

[slotplayer]

How do you have coffee at home typically, with milk? as I always assumed americans drank their coffee mostly black using a percolator pre year 2000- until all the latte/costa coffee etc.. I was bought a coffee pod machine but haven't set it up yet

Some take it black and some use milk but I use light cream. Light cream is the best. I just came back from buying some coffee and light cream.

My sister uses a Keurig pod machine, she loves it and keeps telling me to get one. I just use some cheap drip machine but also used a percolator before. I think the percolator makes better coffee but takes a little longer.

I might add, my Italian grandmother (who did not speak a word of English) use to reuse the tea bags, according to my father.

She used to mason jar tomato sauce and other things. In those days people were really frugal. My father also told me when he brought pizza to school the kids didn't even know what it was.

 

[ternur]

NO MILK IN TEA!

HEATHENS!

 

[ternur]

the most effective speed you should perform the teabagging

So much text.

Very informative. But the quoted piece in itself is report-worthy.

Naughty Adam, naughty.

 

[Kroffe]

Agree, people using no milk are heathens.
I bet they dont even use honey.

 

[ternur]

Agree, people using no milk are heathens.
I bet they dont even use honey.

Milk is only good for making chiizu. But honey is great.

 

[mack341]

I only use a dash of full fat now less milk =more refreshing and stays hotter longer; water in first - but I have been guilty in the past of making tea for others using milk in first, then moving the bag around until the right colour is achieved, strangely I never had a complaint once but several compliments

 

[Kroffe]

Milk is only good for making chiizu. But honey is great.

But honey eh?
Never tried it.
How does it compare to bee honey?

 

[Playford7]

Milk in my tea always, anything other is mental ward behaviour.

And this virus is a nonsense, not complying no longer, sorry all.

 

[mina1929]

Since everyone is talking about tea, herbal tea is good especially Chamomile, Rose Hip and peppermint

Coffee is the best though, always

 

[Harry_BKK]

Maybe it comes down to different perceptions of what we're giving up, who and what is being sacrificed [I know strong word] in pursuit of restricting a virus, which has about a 99.8% survival rate avg.

My focus is not about reinstalling lager lout culture while, and at the cost of, throwing vulnerable people under a bus.

Speaking as a person who will look into alternative theories [for say why the uk govt and media is reacting to the virus the way it is] I hope the theories are not true; but for me, it is part and parcel of having an inquisitive mind when lumbered with an assenting press and media who have blatantly lied and promoted govt propaganda in the past.

Anyone can post and say 'no you are wrong, there is nothing to worry about, once we get the vaccine, we return to normal life' but I don't see much of that. Sweden/japan have 'normality' now when even with a vaccine next year it seems we will not be allowed it.

According to the official numbers worlwide, the survival rate is 97.36%

Seasonal influenza rate: 99.8 - 99.9%

I also see, that you still completely disregard many factors when it comes to a pandemic. Only a few:

Even assuming that your survival rate is indeed correct, the hospitalization rate is roughly 20%, which will overwhelm any healthcare system in the world if too many are sick at the same time. And you can't just add ICU beds and respirators, you need specialized nurses and doctors to man them. IIRC, training for such a nurse is usually 2-3 years, a doctor longer. The consequences of the healthcare system in a country collapsing would be dire to say the least.

Then you completely disregard the fact that a good percentage of that 20% will be longhaulers who will have their live cut short but 10, 20 or more years. We don't know it exactly yet but there is a good part who have lasting damage to lungs, heart etc.

You will only have a chance of beating a respiratory virus by doing things right 100% for a good period. Only 90% or just 50% and less as it happens in most Western countries will not get you there, no chance whatsoever. Instead, you will be in a continuous cycle - lockdown, open up, lockdown ..... - and all the while more people are suffering and dying, and more economic damage is done.

Mentioning Sweden/Japan all the time who have a totally different culture than the UK and other countries will not help, not a single iota other than maybe another post from Tirilej.

EDIT: I might add, fighting a pandemic is and never should be a contest as to who is doing better or worse. In our ultra-connected world, everyone has to do get it under control.

 

[Kroffe]

Since everyone is talking about tea, herbal tea is good especially Chamomile, Rose Hip and peppermint

Coffee is the best though, always

Never been a fan of coffee.
Its a bit like gasoline... It smells nice, but the taste leaves alot to be desired.

 

[mina1929]

Never been a fan of coffee.
Its a bit like gasoline... It smells nice, but the taste leaves alot to be desired.

So you never had good coffee then

 

[paul7388]

Even assuming that your survival rate is indeed correct, the hospitalization rate is roughly 20%, which will overwhelm any healthcare system in the world if too many are sick at the same time. And you can't just add ICU beds and respirators, you need specialized nurses and doctors to man them. IIRC, training for such a nurse is usually 2-3 years, a doctor longer. The consequences of the healthcare system in a country collapsing would be dire to say the least.

Since i keep seeing the word facts quoted just wondering Harry.

Where do you get the 20% of cases need hospilitization from.

From every source i have saw it is a very small percentage of cases that need admitted to hospital.

The fact that Majority of cases do not even show symptoms shows that figure is way off the mark.

Only time i see 20% mark was from WHO statements in March and it has been proven not to be the case since.

Lol to quote you i would say that is fake news.

 

[dealer wins]

Covid kill 0.23% of those infected (Mainly the over 65s) according to the WHO, and that's probably too high as most covid cases dont show symptoms so are not even known about.

 

[Kroffe]

So you never had good coffee then

Since such a thing does not exist, the answer is of course no.
=)
In Australia they train children into liking it because it scares away all the poisonous animals.

 

[paul7388]

Since such a thing does not exist, the answer is of course no.
=)
In Australia they train children into liking it because it scares away all the poisonous animals.

Coffee is about the only decent thing in life at moment.

Maybe you need to appreciate the finer things in life.

Go get the sausage guy to make a coffee sausage video and you will be loving it.

 

[Kroffe]

Coffee is about the only decent thing in life at moment.

Maybe you need to appreciate the finer things in life.

Go get the sausage guy to make a coffee sausage video and you will be loving it.

The finer things in life?
Like coffee breath, the only thing in this world that gives smokers breath a run for its money.
Which i agree is kind of impressive, but not in a good way.

Coffe
0/10 Honeyjars.

 

[Harry_BKK]

Since i keep seeing the word facts quoted just wondering Harry.

Where do you get the 20% of cases need hospilitization from.

From every source i have saw it is a very small percentage of cases that need admitted to hospital.

The fact that Majority of cases do not even show symptoms shows that figure is way off the mark.

Only time i see 20% mark was from WHO statements in March and it has been proven not to be the case since.

Lol to quote you i would say that is fake news.

I am so sorry for not getting the very, very latest number. The current overall percentage that needed hospitalization for the countries reporting into the TESSy system for the time since the pandemic started is 17% of reported cases.

Source: ECDC

You're welcome!

EDIT: You truly thought I am that dumb to post some random number? I bet my last shirt that most of the posters here have to google to find out what TESSy is although it was created with the purpose to inform people.

 

[ternur]

This has gone way too far and this shit needs to stop!

The correct order of beverages in terms of godliness is:

1. Beer
2. Green tea (black is ok at times)
3. Coffee
4. Every alcohol drink ever

These drinks are satan's creations and should be avoided at all costs (in no particular order, they are all equally horrible):

TEA WITH MILK
Milk
Dr. Pepper

 

[paul7388]

I am so sorry for not getting the very, very latest number. The current overall percentage that need hospitalization for the countries reporting into the TESSy system for the time since the pandemic started is 17% of reported cases.

Source: ECDC

You're welcome!

EDIT: You truly thought I am that dumb to post some random number? I bet my last shirt that most of the posters here have to google to find out what TESSy is.
[/QUOTE]

Harry i do not really know what happened to you. You used to be such a nice genuine helpful guy.

But these days you have to always be correct and try to belittle and mock anyone that disagrees with you. You try and make out you are so smart and everyone else is a total idiot.

But again the figure is way off mark.

Fact is that any scientist and expert have already stated that for every diagnosed case there are several more not registered as so many have the virus and never get tested as they have no symptoms.

But guess you will say that is not true

So even if 1 in 5 confirmed cases got admitted to hospital. The fact there is at least several more cases per confirmed case would put the actual need for hospital from the virus down to very low single figure %.

But guess you will come back in your condescending manner and try to make me out to be wrong and not got a clue what i am talking about since my opinion disagrees with yours.

 

[Kroffe]

Back to coffee.
I tasted Kopi Luwak a couple years ago.
I gave it to my parents on christmas, as they like coffee for some reason.

It tasted slightly better than your average cup of coffee.
The secret is that the beans have been eaten, partially digested, and then pooped out by the little guy on the pic below.
But i wouldnt recommend this process with anything other than coffee beans.
Coffee is probably the only thing in this world that tastes better after being mixed with shit.

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[sufferinsilence]

Harry i do not really know what happened to you. You used to be such a nice genuine helpful guy.

But these days you have to always be correct and try to belittle and mock anyone that disagrees with you. You try and make out you are so smart and everyone else is a total idiot.

But again the figure is way off mark.

Fact is that any scientist and expert have already stated that for every diagnosed case there are several more not registered as so many have the virus and never get tested as they have no symptoms.

But guess you will say that is not true

So even if 1 in 5 confirmed cases got admitted to hospital. The fact there is at least several more cases per confirmed case would put the actual need for hospital from the virus down to very low single figure %.

But guess you will come back in your condescending manner and try to make me out to be wrong and not got a clue what i am talking about since my opinion disagrees with yours.

The extra % they estimate that aren't registered aren't official cases and therefor you can't make official numbers based upon that.

But for the sake of the argument: even with the single % figure healthcare systems are being hammered. We've already had to ask Germany if they can help us out if we were to reach our limit of 2000 ICU beds, we're over 1000 now and close to the peak of March/April but the expectation is we will reach the limit or even go over in 7-10 days time.

 

[Harry_BKK]

Harry i do not really know what happened to you. You used to be such a nice genuine helpful guy.

But these days you have to always be correct and try to belittle and mock anyone that disagrees with you. You try and make out you are so smart and everyone else is a total idiot.

But again the figure is way off mark.

Fact is that any scientist and expert have already stated that for every diagnosed case there are several more not registered as so many have the virus and never get tested as they have no symptoms.

But guess you will say that is not true

So even if 1 in 5 confirmed cases got admitted to hospital. The fact there is at least several more cases per confirmed case would put the actual need for hospital from the virus down to very low single figure %.

But guess you will come back in your condescending manner and try to make me out to be wrong and not got a clue what i am talking about since my opinion disagrees with yours.

Really Paul?

So who do you think the ECDC is? European Centre for Diseases Prevention and Control. Last time I checked they are scientists.

Are you trying to say that they are lying? The numbers reported from each country are totally false?

Maybe I should have said: "roughly 20% of reported cases" in my post, so even you or anyone else looking for the smallest mistake would have clarity.

Here the text from this week, posted on 29th Oct:

Hospitalisation

• Hospital and/or ICU occupancy and/or new admissions due to COVID-19 were high (at least 25% of the peak level during the pandemic) or had increased compared to the previous week in 24 countries (Austria, Belgium, Bulgaria, Croatia, Cyprus, Czechia, Denmark, Estonia, Finland, France, Greece, Hungary, Iceland, Ireland, Italy, Latvia, Luxembourg, the Netherlands, Poland, Portugal, Romania, Slovakia, Slovenia and the UK). No other increases have been observed, although data availability varies.
• Based on surveillance data reported to TESSy by 24 countries to date, we estimate that 17% (country range: 2–76%) of reported COVID-19 cases have been hospitalised. Data from 17 countries show that in total 8% (country range: 0–60%) of hospitalised patients required ICU and/or respiratory support. However, these proportions vary considerably by age and sex and may be influenced by national policies and practices.

I shall stop posting, lest I get people triggered with factual numbers.

 

[paul7388]

Harry i bow to your superior knowledge.

You seem to be unable to grasp that you are not always 100% correct.

But anyway i have no wish to even try and get into a discussion with someone that at the moment thinks he is vastly superior to anyone else on the forum and actually looks down on other members.

Feel free to spend your life searching google to try and make yourself look superior for the sake of your few cult followers on here that worship your every move.

All the best to you.

 

[Harry_BKK]

Harry i bow to your superior knowledge.

You seem to be unable to grasp that you are not always 100% correct.

But anyway i have no wish to even try and get into a discussion with someone that at the moment thinks he is vastly superior to anyone else on the forum and actually looks down on other members.

Feel free to spend your life searching google to try and make yourself look superior for the sake of your few cult followers on here that worship your every move.

All the best to you.

Superb answer Paul! Truly appreciate it.

 

[Mr_Slot5]

I remember seeing some statistics for the UK in regards to hospital admissions for known cases. Off the top of my head I think it was about 17% for the over 80s , 8% for the 60-80 age range and a significant drop off below that.

As a whole, the average hospital admission rate was about 5% of symptomatic cases iirc. Seems about right as we are seeing circa 20k cases in the UK (and have been for a little while) and hospital admissions are running at circa 1000 a day.

 

[Harry_BKK]

Harry i bow to your superior knowledge.

You seem to be unable to grasp that you are not always 100% correct.

But anyway i have no wish to even try and get into a discussion with someone that at the moment thinks he is vastly superior to anyone else on the forum and actually looks down on other members.

Feel free to spend your life searching google to try and make yourself look superior for the sake of your few cult followers on here that worship your every move.

All the best to you.

My last informative post, maybe you understand the reason for my point regarding hospitalization and collapse of the healthcare system being one of the major issues during a pandemic. These are the numbers for the UK.

- Left arrow: total hospital beds/1000 people = 2.54 or per 100,000 = 254 beds
- Right arrow: total number of ICU beds / 100,000 people = 6.6
- The far right column: number of respirators per 100,000 people
- Current number of Covid cases / 100,000 people = 431

You do the math. Even with just 5% needing hospitalization of the total number of reported cases, any further increase in cases/100,000 people will start putting a real strain on your healthcare system as you can't use all hospital beds or ICU units for Covid cases only. E.g. for the UK numbers you would have used up your ICU beds/respirators the soon the number of hospitalizations/100,000 people exceed appr. 100 (on average about 8% of hospitalizations need ICU/respirator assistance)

The death rate has reduced significantly in the last 8 months as doctors are understanding the disease better and have developed more refined treatments. However, the overall hospitalization rate per age group has not budged much. The virus is not weaker than 8 months ago.

 

[dealer wins]

Nowhere near the first wave yet, and with numbers of infections leveling off or dropping, hopefully the numbers of hospitalisations, deaths will stabilise and drop too.

What I have been saying from day one is that we got to roll with this however bad it is, because if we trash our economy by destroying millions of jobs, businesses which pay for our NHS etc, then we will be facing millions of deaths in the long run.

There is no money tree, the NHS costs us an astounding £400 MILLION POUNDS, A DAY. One could argue that at that cost they should not only cope with this mild pandemic, but I would want it to cope with a potential disease that has a 5% fatality rate too.

Sadly, a disease like that would finish us off, even though there is a real probability of one that severe or worse hitting us in the next 20 years!!!

 

[Playford7]

Sooo..

Iced coffee? I’m a massive fan.

Even in winter I’ve been known to reach for the ice cube tray.

Also buy the espresso iced cans and latte’s...

And caramel induced ice coffee is from the lord himself, as is vanilla...

 

[mack341]

Back to coffee.
I tasted Kopi Luwak a couple years ago.
I gave it to my parents on christmas, as they like coffee for some reason.

It tasted slightly better than your average cup of coffee.
The secret is that the beans have been eaten, partially digested, and then pooped out by the little guy on the pic below.
But i wouldnt recommend this process with anything other than coffee beans.
Coffee is probably the only thing in this world that tastes better after being mixed with shit.

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Just looked this coffee up and found this, pretty sad, man is so inhumane to fellow animals & getting worse.