Corona virus - Covid 19 discussion

[ChopleyIOM]

Still dont know why the UK didnt ask around and buy a track annd trace system with a proven record of working
from another country, surely better than pouring billions into one that had to be scrapped, then producing another which stll isnt up to the job.Money is money, why would any country refuse to sell it.

Because then the Tories wouldn't have been able to hand over £12bn of public money to their chums in companies like Serco.

You know there isn't even a penalty clause in Serco's contract? There is literally no limit to how much they can fuck things up, and they still get paid top dollar.

 

[Playford7]

Because then the Tories wouldn't have been able to hand over £12bn of public money to their chums in companies like Serco.

You know there isn't even a penalty clause in Serco's contract? There is literally no limit to how much they can fuck things up, and they still get paid top dollar.

A friend mentioned this earlier actually.

as I said in my earlier post, if they hadn’t of monumentally messed up at the start, then messed up track and testing, the app and all that other nonsense I don’t think we would Be seeing the barmy measures we are now.

 

[mack341]

This guy's plainly not great with his predictions and modelling:

 

[mack341]

I'm sure serco had the bin emptying contract in my borough, they sure get about just like capita. I read somewhere the software germany used for T&T was free open source stuff, but I suppose there would be some other costs to running it, but 12 billion seems a bit steep.

 

[Spikie]

On the news ... France reported 42000 new cases in 24 hours yesterday.

 

[pinnit2014]

I'm sure serco had the bin emptying contract in my borough, they sure get about just like capita. I read somewhere the software germany used for T&T was free open source stuff, but I suppose there would be some other costs to running it, but 12 billion seems a bit steep.

Did you see how he worked it out? The methodology can't be comprehended by mere mortals:

Er, the 1918 one killed X million and now there are 6 times more people on earth, so, i reckon, er 6X million!

Thanks for that Neil.

Quoted wrong post but he seems a bit crap - sort of like the Pound Stretcher of experts.

 

[colinsunderland]

I usually try and not criticize unless it pertains to my part of the world or the MSM but Pubs are super spreaders.

Pubs and Clubs have been closed here in my state since the beginning. They won't be opening until phase 4, which is when/if a vaccine is available. I'm not much of a drinker so personally I could care less when they open but there are restaurants that serve alcohol with a meal. Not to mention liquor stores are open, so its not like the drinkers are going without. No one is complaining that I know of, not even on the news.

Not sure where you are, but theres no evidence of that in the UK. There was no spike when the pubs re-opened, apart from odd localised spikes where a pubs had usually been found to have not followed the guidelines.

Pubs/shops opened (including the eat out scheme) - no major increase
Workplaces re-opened - no major increase
Schools, colleges and universities re-opened - massive increase

I think it's pretty obvious where the increase has came from but they won't shut education.

 

[shadow123]

Just talking stupid, I wonder how much Pokomon go cost to develop, far more users, than UK track and trace and probably far more complex.
Looking at track and trace,the app function is pretty basic, the infrastructure to run
it is more complex but none of it is rocket science and I really cant see how companies
can charge the crazy rates they do to work on it.We are running up debts that the next generation will have to suffer to repay but the gravy train never stops.
Fraid Boris and co have lost my vote,we should have had a coalition government, couldnt handled it any worse, Boris had a free hand to do anything he wanted, maybe that is the problem.

 

[colinsunderland]

It is always easy to blame the government for everything that goes wrong in our lives. I have seen pics and news from the UK, no way that people were distancing, there were little to no masks etc etc. So I would give it maybe a 50:50 rating as to who is to blame.

You really shouldn't take press photos as being serious. I can make 10 people on a deserted beach look like they are inches apart using the right lens and angle with my camera.
Our local paper ran a story on how crowded the beaches were and how no social distancing was being followed just after lockdown, from the photos it looks like people were practically on top of each other. I as there that day, and had my own photos that weren't took with a zoom lens and you could clearly see everyone was a good couple of meters from each other, so did others that posted on the facebook thread the paper had posted.

Are some people ignoring the rules and guidance? Yes, 100%. Is it anything close to the press stories you see? No, not close to them, apart from odd isolated incidents.

 

[Playford7]

Not sure where you are, but theres no evidence of that in the UK. There was no spike when the pubs re-opened, apart from odd localised spikes where a pubs had usually been found to have not followed the guidelines.

Pubs/shops opened (including the eat out scheme) - no major increase
Workplaces re-opened - no major increase
Schools, colleges and universities re-opened - massive increase

I think it's pretty obvious where the increase has came from but they won't shut education.

Most localised spikes where in places with a large bame/ethnic amount of people.
those above, most don’t drink in pubs for example and also they are proven more vulnerable because of there cultures and way of life.

 

[slotplayer]

Not sure where you are, but theres no evidence of that in the UK. There was no spike when the pubs re-opened, apart from odd localised spikes where a pubs had usually been found to have not followed the guidelines.

Pubs/shops opened (including the eat out scheme) - no major increase
Workplaces re-opened - no major increase
Schools, colleges and universities re-opened - massive increase

I think it's pretty obvious where the increase has came from but they won't shut education.

I don't need evidence, I've been hammered before.

 

[colinsunderland]

I don't need evidence, I've been hammered before.

So pubs aren't the problem then?
Some idiots who can't follow rules are the problem.

 

[dealer wins]

Not sure where you are, but theres no evidence of that in the UK. There was no spike when the pubs re-opened, apart from odd localised spikes where a pubs had usually been found to have not followed the guidelines.

Pubs/shops opened (including the eat out scheme) - no major increase
Workplaces re-opened - no major increase
Schools, colleges and universities re-opened - massive increase

I think it's pretty obvious where the increase has came from but they won't shut education.

If a million students, schoolchildren get covid, literally 0 will die from it. But it will help the inevitable journey to herd immunity, which lockdowns and tiers only slow down and add unnecessary economic pain and loss of jobs and livelihoods.

Nature will deal with covid like it deals with every other disease, and nothing we do will stop her. If she takes 0.01% of those who catch it like covid , or 30% like MERS, then thats what nature will do.

 

[Playford7]

Enough wuhan wheezer nonsense.

chicken and tarragon pie, made 2 earlier today.

homemade goodness! Sadly the pastry wasn’t as good as expected after cooking.
The pie itself was heaven however.

also honey roast carrots, green beans in butter and garlic and some baby corns and broccoli.

mustard mash potatoes and onion gravy.

little bit of mint sauce on the veg and a tad of English mustard on the side.

a fine meal indeed

off the booze so as usual a ribena with ice.

 

[slotplayer]

So pubs aren't the problem then?
Some idiots who can't follow rules are the problem.

No one gives a hoot about the rules when their blasted.

 

[Harry_BKK]

You really shouldn't take press photos as being serious. I can make 10 people on a deserted beach look like they are inches apart using the right lens and angle with my camera.
Our local paper ran a story on how crowded the beaches were and how no social distancing was being followed just after lockdown, from the photos it looks like people were practically on top of each other. I as there that day, and had my own photos that weren't took with a zoom lens and you could clearly see everyone was a good couple of meters from each other, so did others that posted on the facebook thread the paper had posted.

Are some people ignoring the rules and guidance? Yes, 100%. Is it anything close to the press stories you see? No, not close to them, apart from odd isolated incidents.

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[sufferinsilence]

Enough wuhan wheezer nonsense.

chicken and tarragon pie, made 2 earlier today.

homemade goodness! Sadly the pastry wasn’t as good as expected after cooking.
The pie itself was heaven however.

also honey roast carrots, green beans in butter and garlic and some baby corns and broccoli.

mustard mash potatoes and onion gravy.

little bit of mint sauce on the veg and a tad of English mustard on the side.

a fine meal indeed

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Luckily no cheese involved.

Question for the British tho: why do you call that meat a "pie"? When we call something a pie it's a sweet dessert not a bit of meat in dough.

 

[pinnit2014]

Luckily no cheese involved.

Question for the British tho: why do you call that meat a "pie"? When we call something a pie it's a sweet dessert not a bit of meat in dough.

Still call desserts pie; apple pie etc... as to why? Dunno, cos I was told to

Bit of meat in dough would be an affront to the deliciousness of a Steak Pie

 

[sufferinsilence]

Still call desserts pie; apple pie etc... as to why? Dunno, cos I was told to

Bit of meat in dough would be an affront to the deliciousness of a Steak Pie

Why don't you question the authorities on this?

Which ingredients are in a steak pie? We really don't have that stuff over here.

 

[Kroffe]

Why don't you question the authorities on this?

Which ingredients are in a steak pie? We really don't have that stuff over here.

I can send over some dough and meat if you want.
Crazy to think you dont have that stuff in Belgium.
Ill trade you for chocolates, carpets and diamonds, you guys export alot of that stuff already right?

 

[sufferinsilence]

I can send over some dough and meat if you want.
Crazy to think you dont have that stuff in Belgium.
Ill trade you for chocolates, carpets and diamonds, you guys export alot of that stuff already right?

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[colinsunderland]

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I'm not sure what point you are making with that month old article?
It's mainly talking about positive tests increasing, which means nothing in itself.

 

[Harry_BKK]

I'm not sure what point you are making with that month old article?
It's mainly talking about positive tests increasing, which means nothing in itself.

You said you could make any pic look like there are a lot of people and questioned the pics I saw in the news. So I posted one example.

I wonder how this one would look like if a wide lense would have been used. Sure looks like more than 10 people, no mask and shouting loudly. Corona says "thank you very much".

 

[sufferinsilence]

Maduro says the Venezuelan health institute found a highly effective antiviral against the virus, I'm not sure how legit all this is but if it works this would be quite the breakthrough I'd say.

 

[colinsunderland]

You said you could make any pic look like there are a lot of people and questioned the pics I saw in the news. So I posted one example.

I wonder how this one would look like if a wide lense would have been used. Sure looks like more than 10 people, no mask and shouting loudly. Corona says "thank you very much".

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I still don't get your point, all the meta data has been stripped, so what lens was used? How far away was the photographer?

The photo on the left was taken with a zoom lens, the one on the right with a wide angle one. If I just posted the one on the left you would think there was no distancing at all and the street was busy. The ones on the left look as close to together as the ones on your photo.

 

[Harry_BKK]

I still don't get your point, all the meta data has been stripped, so what lens was used? How far away was the photographer?

The photo on the left was taken with a zoom lens, the one on the right with a wide angle one. If I just posted the one on the left you would think there was no distancing at all and the street was busy. The ones on the left look as close to together as the ones on your photo.

The difference is that your shots are carefully staged to demonstrate the different views. The pic I posted is a random shot of people partying in the street, letting their guard down.

I don't blame the people, especially the young, everyone wants this to be over.

 

[Harry_BKK]

@colinsunderland

here's another view of the scene:

 

[colinsunderland]

The difference is that your shots are carefully staged to demonstrate the different views. The pic I posted is a random shot of people partying in the street, letting their guard down.

I don't blame the people, especially the young, everyone wants this to be over.

You are still using one shot of a specific snapshot in time, to try to show people not following the rules etc. If that photo is correct in perspective or not, you mentioned little or no masks being worn, we don't have to outside so thats probably why thats the case. At the moment I see very little evidence of people not wearing them when they should be.
Most people have followed the rules, yes some haven't, no different to any other thing on any other day. You cannot use press photos to make a judgement on the nation as a whole.

What I would say is, social distancing doesn't seem as good when people are wearing masks, it's as if some people think a mask creates a force field round them so they can get as close as they want!

 

[pinnit2014]

Why don't you question the authorities on this?

Which ingredients are in a steak pie? We really don't have that stuff over here.

Think you described it - Meat and Pastry Has to be proper beef, not that 'Mince' - boke.

You haven't savoured the joys of a Steak Pie, with the gravy dripping over the sides and smooshing the chips in it....you've not lived, too busy scoffing Belgian Chocolates

Giant plate of carbs - mmmm.

 

[Borgie]

Shared from another website but soooo true!

Dear Gavin and the DfE,

Thank you for writing to me again. To be honest, I almost missed it, what with it being 5.50pm on the last day of the apocalypse, I mean Term 1.

You had previously confirmed that my school would receive 43 devices in the event of a local lockdown. I see that this allocation has now been reduced to 9. This is helpful thank you. I couldn't work out how to distribute 43 devices across a three form entry school.

Please can you confirm, is it ok if we raffle the 9 laptops and use the funds raised to pay for a week's vouchers for pupils who are eligible for free school meals? I'm not sure if you are aware but some children suffer from holiday hunger, which means they can't thrive. Oh sorry, I should have said, hunger is when your body needs food.

If there is any money left over from the laptops, I promise to use it towards the costs of additional cleaning. We had been assured of some Government funding to cover cleaning, what with school being open during a pandemic. Actually, old chap, would you mind looking into where that promised money went?

I read this week that a delicious £31.00 meal can be snapped up in a Parliamentary restaurant for just £3.45. What a bargain! I do hope the meals are special cause that £27.55 could buy nine days of vouchers for a child entitled to free school meals.

Please don't rush to reply. As we approach the Christmas season, I can see that you are very busy playing a pantomime villain. That cheeky chappy Marcus Rashford must have been keeping you on your toes too. It seems the MBE didn't shut him up, it's just turned him into Bob Geldof! As you know, we're not really allowed to sing in schools but, if we could, teachers, leaders and school staff everywhere would deliver a rousing rendition of Do they Know it's Christmas? Unfortunately, we'd be singing about children in the first world, not Ethiopia.

Anyway, it's time I checked my emails. It's hard keeping track of all the disappointments and u-turns. Please get back to me about the raffle idea.

Sleep Well

 

[colinsunderland]

Another 'Daily Mail' witch hunt on the Government, delivering half stories about the laptops.

 

[Borgie]

Another 'Daily Mail' witch hunt on the Government, delivering half stories about the laptops.

I have no idea. However my friend who reposted this is a headmistress so not sure she would lie.

 

[colinsunderland]

I have no idea. However my friend who reposted this is a headmistress so not sure she would lie.

Well that makes it even worse as she will be fully aware of what is happening and why. Is she in a school in a Tier 3 area? If she is, and her allocation has been reduced then she needs to speak to them as it shouldn't have been.

 

[Borgie]

Well that makes it even worse as she will be fully aware of what is happening and why. Is she in a school in a Tier 3 area? If she is, and her allocation has been reduced then she needs to speak to them as it shouldn't have been.

Tier 2

 

[Harry_BKK]

You are still using one shot of a specific snapshot in time, to try to show people not following the rules etc. If that photo is correct in perspective or not, you mentioned little or no masks being worn, we don't have to outside so thats probably why thats the case. At the moment I see very little evidence of people not wearing them when they should be.
Most people have followed the rules, yes some haven't, no different to any other thing on any other day. You cannot use press photos to make a judgement on the nation as a whole.

What I would say is, social distancing doesn't seem as good when people are wearing masks, it's as if some people think a mask creates a force field round them so they can get as close as they want!

Your government advised not to wear masks outside in a large crowd that is screaming and singing? Madness Colin, absolute madness.

I posted three pics from one event, there are hundreds similar ones on the WWW. And the infection numbers speak for themselves, I would guess.

Again, I do not blame the people as such. Everyone wants this to be over. But you will not beat or even control an airborne disease if you follow good practice only 50% of the time or if only 75% of the population is doing it. It just won't go away, the virus does not care really, it has no social skills, only the natural instincts to multiply as much as possible.

 

[slotplayer]

Are you sure the no mask required outside is the full policy? CDC recommends no mask outside but only if you can social distance.

 

[Playford7]

Was up early this morning so done a lamb rogan josh in my slow cooker...

Came in from work about 5 ish to a great smell!..

Served it with basmati rice, some onion bhaji’s and garlic bread (ive naans in the freezer) but they are buried in other food so opted for garlic bread.

Topped with green chilli (my last one, won’t explain why as it’s still too raw) red chilli and some coriander, all from my plants

And some juice!

 

[ChopleyIOM]

But it will help the inevitable journey to herd immunity,

Nature will deal with covid like it deals with every other disease, and nothing we do will stop her.

There will be no 'natural' herd immunity to Covid-19, in the simplest and politest terms, you are plain wrong.

Natural immunity in the UK population is falling, and it's becoming very clear that the immune response reduces quickly after infection, leaving people open to reinfection, spreading the virus, and potentially getting a more serious dose second time around.

It's being covered on the news today, and they've got actual epidemiologists (as opposed to Dr Johnny Fartpants) saying very clearly that the already fatally flawed notion of herd immunity, and by extension The Barrington Declaration, are complete non-starters and nothing more than total, and dangerous, falsehoods.

The only way we're going to get herd immunity to Covid-19 is through vaccination, and potentially via multiple jabs, and/or annual boosters.

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Professor Helen Ward, one of the researchers, said the new results strongly suggest that herd immunity is unachievable.

"When you think 95 people out of 100 are still likely to be susceptible, we are a long, long way from anything resembling population level protection against onward transmission," she said.

"It's not something you can use as a strategy for infection control [for

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] in the population."


The finding is another blow to scientists behind the controversial

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, who had suggested that vulnerable people could be shielded at home while the virus spreads through the young and healthy to build up herd immunity.

The proposal has been strongly criticised by many other scientists.

 

[shadow123]

Going into tier 3 on Thursday, bloody students have caused it, selfish bastards, as soon as they have caught it they are not bothered, not worried that they spread it all over the city.Uni has to take its share of the blame as well, they know students are still kids but opened anyway, knowing full well what would happen.
Fed up this this stupid tier thing, stop pissing around and have a national lockdown for a month and get it over with so there is a chance we can have some kind of xmas.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

And before anyone brings up B-Cells and T-Cells, yes that is being covered as well, and they've actually got someone on Sky News right now talking about them, and who has signed The Barrington Declaration.

If you want to watch yourself fire up Sky News on YouTube and rewind to around 13:35.

 

[dealer wins]

I totally agree, and its what we are seeing now in terms of deaths

 

[colinsunderland]

Going into tier 3 on Thursday, bloody students have caused it, selfish bastards, as soon as they have caught it they are not bothered, not worried that they spread it all over the city.Uni has to take its share of the blame as well, they know students are still kids but opened anyway, knowing full well what would happen.
Fed up this this stupid tier thing, stop pissing around and have a national lockdown for a month and get it over with so there is a chance we can have some kind of xmas.

I know we don't agree on stuff to do with this, but how would a national lockdown help in any way? At best it would reduce the spread short term, then it would rise again. Thats been proven by the previous lockdown. It's also massively unfair on all the people/businesses in areas where there is little spread of it.
Also, a month would be nowhere near long enough, last time it kept rising for about 5/6 weeks after lockdown, so if it did happen I don't think there would be any hope of restrictions being completely lifted by Xmas.
Plus, theres no hope of them closing Education at the moment, and thats a massive spreader currently, so wouldn't fix anything anyway

 

[shadow123]

As far as i can see the tier system isnt doing any good to anyone at the moment, just a whack a mole approach
suprpressing regional outbreaks but doing nothing to tackle the problem at its root cause,think it will just prolong the problem and cause more disruption to business and the economy,dont get me wrong, I dont want
a lockdown any more than anyone else but it would have a definate effect on the epidemic,I think
it will be forced on us soon anyway if the tier system doesnt work and it sounds like the herd idea
has been discreditted so thats not an option.

 

[pinnit2014]

There's tier 4's being mentioned for two of the areas around here - makes no sense: no non essential travel but keep schools open (no way they'll close them down again)

I started off on the other side of the spectrum re this but am now, as am sure others are, at the point where apathy and disillusionment are the primary thoughts. National lockdowns will do nothing - merely postpone.

I still wear my mask etc going to shops (i've never liked being within 2m of someone at the best of times) and that's the best you can do re this.

 

[colinsunderland]

As far as i can see the tier system isnt doing any good to anyone at the moment, just a whack a mole approach
suprpressing regional outbreaks but doing nothing to tackle the problem at its root cause,think it will just prolong the problem and cause more disruption to business and the economy,dont get me wrong, I dont want
a lockdown any more than anyone else but it would have a definate effect on the epidemic,I think
it will be forced on us soon anyway if the tier system doesnt work and it sounds like the herd idea
has been discreditted so thats not an option.

I don't disagree as such (although regional restrictions aren't disproven to work, our rates are coming down for example), but I can't see what a 4 week countrywide lockdown would achieve? It was 3 months last time and didn't get rid of it.

 

[Slottery]

Giviing out more fines for people without masks for sure helps countrys economy to recover

A pair of Maltese friends who went to Għar Lapsi for a late-night Sunday swim found themselves approached by police with flashlights for not having a mask on one of them… even though they had just stepped out of the water and were chatting at the water’s edge.

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[shadow123]

I don't disagree as such (although regional restrictions aren't disproven to work, our rates are coming down for example), but I can't see what a 4 week countrywide lockdown would achieve? It was 3 months last time and didn't get rid of it.

it did make a massive difference nationally, hospitals went from crisis point to virtually free of cases,but
as we are seeing now it didnt cure the problem,just made it dormant and gave us time which seems to have been wasted, unfortunatley i think the problem is the young people, just looking at the heat charts proves it and if you want to make a serious difference you have to tackle that, not just refuse to close schools point blank.

 

[pinnit2014]

I think the problem is it’s not going away and trying to treat it with measures that give the impression will sort it, isn’t helping.

I never thought that, in a world pandemic, I’d be questioning the nesessity of measures; in the event of it I thought it’d be all hands deck, so what you got to do.

IMO, masks, 2m, being sensible and not exposing yourself to the risks is the only way forward; not this tier 1,4 ,100 bollocks

 

[geordiecolin]

Lets hope that there is no Covid 2021 to really grab our attention

 

[sufferinsilence]

We're now the best in Europe... Not in a good way.

There have been more hospitalisations already than in the first wave, they do expect less people to pass away because they're not making the same mistakes of putting a breathing tube down everyone's throat like the first time around.

But it's simply not looking good.