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I like the Pringles flavour paprika actually
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People always say Germans don't have a sense of humor, but at least our chips are funny.
Yeah, yeah... I know... I'll show myself out...
Yeah, yeah... I know... I'll show myself out...
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That’s gone way over my head lol, anyone care to explain please lol..
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"Funny Frisch"
They are funny Playford!
They are funny Playford!
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What that’s it?..
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Thats plenty, no?
He did say he would show himself out, so i dont think he was expecting any awards for the joke.
I thought it was funny =)
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I like it now I’ve got it lol, takes a while for the old cogs to turn here mate
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I like New Zealand's style.
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All the free hand sanitizer the businesses, pizza shops, markets etc.. have on their counters/checkouts for general public use (along with the mask requirement) in my area should significantly cut down the spread of the flu this season.
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Dunno how happy would be from this result, 64 places from 120 for Jacinda Arden labor party. At least strict corona restrictions will come true, hope all get what they wanted.
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I know here, there were many grumblings when Ford became premiere - but, moreso, praise on the handling of the coronavirus (barring, obv dissenting opinions)
Sadly, our cases continue to rise however
Sadly, our cases continue to rise however
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NZ are in a much better place than we are and the politicians don't piss about.
The country comes first and the public respect the government, unlike in the UK (which is our governments fault)
Can you imagine Boris saying you must of got your education from America.
Been back in the UK for 9 years after living in NZ for 14 years, Would love to be in a position to move back there one day. Fantastic life over there.
If masks and hand sanitizer made any difference then you would not see people with coughs , runny noses etc from normal infections either .
But there are plenty of people around this week sniffling and coughing.....
I’m in France for a couple of weeks for work reasons , they are super hot on masks but I really don’t think it is making much difference...
But there are plenty of people around this week sniffling and coughing.....
I’m in France for a couple of weeks for work reasons , they are super hot on masks but I really don’t think it is making much difference...
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That's politics, you can't satisfy the whole population all of the time. But since her party has gotten a majority in parliament during a pandemic it seems they are happy with how the situation is handled. Good for them on being strict, I've seen some rugby matches from the NZ competition and the stands were full... It just seems they are having some sort of normal live again, who knew if you follow rules and guidelines that you could get it back sooner rather than later?
Ofcourse, NZ is much easier to quarantine from the world due to being an island but they aren't the only island nation in the world. Some are doing way worse.
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Just seen that The Bandit (streamer) has caught the virus.
Apparently the landlord at his local pub tested positive, but kept it quiet.
Best wishes to him and his family.
Apparently the landlord at his local pub tested positive, but kept it quiet.
Best wishes to him and his family.
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Wuhan wheezer! Haha brilliant! I do like that and will be plagiarising it lol
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Get well stevie lad
I will be awaiting a cheque in the mail for every time you use it from this day on.
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The lasagne was home made, to much bechemel sauce and not enough cheese.. was a massive fail tbh :-(
pathetic g bread also..
I hang my head in shame regarding this corona cooking..
pathetic g bread also..
I hang my head in shame regarding this corona cooking..
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Don't hang it too low or you'll have a face full of lasagne, and have to call it 'Garfield Cooks'
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Chin up, there's always a bag of paprika chips somewhere
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Would rather of had the chips than this lasagne mate, honestly couldn’t of fucked it up more if I tried...
that said I’ve 8 bounty’s... for some odd reason my child does like them, I’ll save her one.
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Further information about Long-Covid.
Anyone who's still fixating on the mortality rate of Covid-19 sufferers - (which is still enough by itself to make the idea of 'letting it do its thing' or going for 'herd immunity' batshit crazy) - is totally missing what may end up being the real headline, and that is how many people are living with ruined lives, with no prospect of recovery, months down the line.
And these are people who were young, fit and healthy before they caught Covid.
“We need to control this virus not because of the risk that Granny may catch it and die, or your uncle may end up in ICU, but because fit, healthy people without any comorbid conditions who are
Anyone who's still fixating on the mortality rate of Covid-19 sufferers - (which is still enough by itself to make the idea of 'letting it do its thing' or going for 'herd immunity' batshit crazy) - is totally missing what may end up being the real headline, and that is how many people are living with ruined lives, with no prospect of recovery, months down the line.
And these are people who were young, fit and healthy before they caught Covid.
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“We need to control this virus not because of the risk that Granny may catch it and die, or your uncle may end up in ICU, but because fit, healthy people without any comorbid conditions who are
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It looks great to me, I am starving though. Its dinner time here
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Must have eaten about 300 Maltesers here for breakfast. My hand just kept moving to the big giant bag of loose ones until i got to the point where i moved it around frantically to get another one, only to find it empty 
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You're having an absolute joke, been banging on about how much harm brexit is going to do the economy and yet now putting 'long covid' up there as a reason to lockdown. When you must know the repercussions of 2 million people losing their jobs, businesses going under or thousands not having NHS tests and treatment for non covid-19 illnesses is way more worse than 'long covid'.
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So what do you propose we do instead? The virus is spreading in nearly every area of the UK, albeit much faster in some than others, and many hospitals are already reaching capacity in their ICUs. (And this is before the winter crunch with other illnesses.)
Once Covid starts to get out of control the NHS gets swamped and the economy ceases to function in any sort of normal fashion anyway, it's not a binary choice between economy or health.
And with a Long-Covid complication rate that looks as if it might settle down at around 10-15% of cases, that's an awful lot of people who are going to have significant health issues going forward.
The lockdowns are an economic disaster, obviously, and that comes with its own significant health issues, if the government had used the summer to fix test, trace and isolate, we'd be in a much better place than we are.
Once Covid starts to get out of control the NHS gets swamped and the economy ceases to function in any sort of normal fashion anyway, it's not a binary choice between economy or health.
And with a Long-Covid complication rate that looks as if it might settle down at around 10-15% of cases, that's an awful lot of people who are going to have significant health issues going forward.
The lockdowns are an economic disaster, obviously, and that comes with its own significant health issues, if the government had used the summer to fix test, trace and isolate, we'd be in a much better place than we are.
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I propose we protect the nursing home residents by scrupulous testing and staff procedures [PPE etc.] you can use a sensitive test for that, commandeer & use the private hospitals for all the extra waiting lists that have accumulated for non covid illnesses. But also segregate the NHS hospitals or wards, and let the NHS treat serious non-covid illnesses like cancer etc..not send people letters cancelling planned ops and tests etc...
We have a 'casedemic' the pcr tests are not fit for the purpose of detecting active infectious cases, the hospitals are not filling up at anything like the march/april times, the deaths are very low, hence the msm [bbc etc...]now switching to long covid.
Taken from twitter to illustrate the death rate, and we could have done a much better job of protecting care home residents which form a significant percentage:
We have a 'casedemic' the pcr tests are not fit for the purpose of detecting active infectious cases, the hospitals are not filling up at anything like the march/april times, the deaths are very low, hence the msm [bbc etc...]now switching to long covid.
Taken from twitter to illustrate the death rate, and we could have done a much better job of protecting care home residents which form a significant percentage:
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Wonder when people start to learn social distancing and wearing a mask. But nah...idiots just keep protesting against masks and virus keep spreading. If you care about your countrymen that little then you should be quarantined forcefully. Can learn something from China in that regard 
You don't start screwing around with lives of other people 'cause you feel like rules don't apply to you.
You don't start screwing around with lives of other people 'cause you feel like rules don't apply to you.
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Even a Trump diehard has realised that this is real and there should be more mask wearing..
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Very good [ & long] article by Lord Sumption in the mail:
There is a nasty divide opening up between those who want to take reasonable steps to protect themselves and live as normally as possible without going over the top and zealots who think that, as a matter of principle, the state should take over our lives, occupy our sitting rooms and keep us infantilised at home. What has happened to rational thought in Britain?
Rational thought has been banished by fear. Fear encourages unthinking responses. It leads to intolerant conformism and ill-tempered abuse of anyone who steps out of line.
It provokes panicked demands for government action, without reflecting on the limits of what government action can achieve. This is an atmosphere in which the advocates of coercion and authoritarian styles of government have always thrived.
But the main culprits are not the public but Ministers, who have got caught in a trap of their own making. They stoked up people’s fears to justify their decisions and induce compliance. They promised the impossible and, when the inevitable failure came, they blamed it on the public for not complying with their commands. The real reason Ministers have not dared to answer the questions posed by their policies is that their purpose is not to suppress the virus, which they must know is impossible. It is to shield themselves from responsibility.
They believe they will be criticised for the Covid-19 deaths but that they will get away with the indirect consequences of their brutal countermeasures: the cancer deaths, the loneliness and mental breakdowns, the poverty and job destruction, the public and private bankruptcy. Truth is the first victim of this process but it is not very high on this Government’s agenda.
Having got itself into a pattern of coercion, the Government does not dare to change course, for fear of discrediting its own past decisions.
Yet even fear has its limits. As public trust drains away, it is forced to keep up the atmosphere of panic by ever more hyped-up alarms, misleading statistics, draconian fines, bullying threats, appeals to sneaks and informers and cavalier disregard for the basic values by which people live.
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There is a nasty divide opening up between those who want to take reasonable steps to protect themselves and live as normally as possible without going over the top and zealots who think that, as a matter of principle, the state should take over our lives, occupy our sitting rooms and keep us infantilised at home. What has happened to rational thought in Britain?
Rational thought has been banished by fear. Fear encourages unthinking responses. It leads to intolerant conformism and ill-tempered abuse of anyone who steps out of line.
It provokes panicked demands for government action, without reflecting on the limits of what government action can achieve. This is an atmosphere in which the advocates of coercion and authoritarian styles of government have always thrived.
But the main culprits are not the public but Ministers, who have got caught in a trap of their own making. They stoked up people’s fears to justify their decisions and induce compliance. They promised the impossible and, when the inevitable failure came, they blamed it on the public for not complying with their commands. The real reason Ministers have not dared to answer the questions posed by their policies is that their purpose is not to suppress the virus, which they must know is impossible. It is to shield themselves from responsibility.
They believe they will be criticised for the Covid-19 deaths but that they will get away with the indirect consequences of their brutal countermeasures: the cancer deaths, the loneliness and mental breakdowns, the poverty and job destruction, the public and private bankruptcy. Truth is the first victim of this process but it is not very high on this Government’s agenda.
Having got itself into a pattern of coercion, the Government does not dare to change course, for fear of discrediting its own past decisions.
Yet even fear has its limits. As public trust drains away, it is forced to keep up the atmosphere of panic by ever more hyped-up alarms, misleading statistics, draconian fines, bullying threats, appeals to sneaks and informers and cavalier disregard for the basic values by which people live.
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I don't see anything there that would stop the virus spreading and multiplying exponentially in the general population, and it absolutely will spread to the vulnerable as part of that spread. (As indeed is happening all over the country at the moment, it won't stay confined to any particular age group.)
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So the only way to not throw the old and vulnerable under the bus is to lockdown everyone? How do you explain sweden and the restrictions they have used and results - almost normal life?
Herd immunity is a scientific fact, if the vaccine doesn't work very well, we will be relying on HI to protect the vulnerable. [Also Elderly people respond less well to vaccines due to their immune system, even with a flu vaccine we have thousands of cases and deaths each year.]
If the Govt only sorted out the NHS service problems it would be a major improvement, it is criminal for mancock to go around doing interviews and spewing out the garbage he is, while people have to now face terminal diagnoses due to the NHS cancelling tests and treatment, because under his leadership they have prioritised covid above all else.
Chart to show care homes [where the govt could intervene] are still a significant source of cases
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It would be idiotic to go through herd immunity route before knowing how well it really works. And it's ridiculous that you keep bringing up Sweden as an example. They have one of the highest death tolls per capita in the world and it's one of the most sparsely populated countries.
You take that route in more densely populated countries and you'll be number 1 in death tolls very fast.
People should start taking this thing seriously and start wearing masks. I'm glad that especially women here are wearing masks. Probably over half of them are doing it in the places where it's hard to protect themselves and other people like in busses etc. And probably only like 10-20% of men. Dunno what the hell is wrong with men...ego stuff? Wear the god damn mask!
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Wrong, you have to breakdown the density figures and geography.
wikipedia:
87% of the population live in urban areas, which cover 1.5% of the entire land area.
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63% of Swedes are in large urban areas.
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The population density is substantially higher in the south than in the north. Sweden admitted it didn't look after the care home residents as well as it should, and they have large type care homes rather than many small ones.[ Most of the deaths have come from that sector I believe ?]
You keep mentioning masks, is this your trump obsession rearing up again?
Most people will wear masks in confined areas where social distancing is not possible, do you think they should be made mandatory for all outside areas too?
edit: although the science on masks is not 100%, the surgical type looking one I use, and see many others using, is very flimsy cloth, I cannot believe it offers excellent protection.
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I say time is best spent practicing your crossbow skills for the upcoming zombie apocalypse.
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I'm looking forward to the Zombie Olympics - Javelin's, Archery and the Hammer throw to name a few.
In fact, it maybe doesn't even need Zombies; I'd be happy to throw people i don't like into the arena.
Be like The Hunger Games without the bloated running time and bad acting but, with me there, still keeping the hotness of Lawerence.
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Every cold I get I suffer with a bad chest and a mucus cough. Always amazes me that so many people get off so lightly with colds!Has test done today.
5 days ago started with a sore throat cracking headaches fore head and behind eyes, next few days started to lose my voice, sound hoarse and getting thick mucus up, also blocked nose, Headaches now gone and so has blocked nose, I now have an awful cough and still distraught voice, No time did I have a high temp in past 5 days, ranging from 36.8/37.7 oral.
Just thought maybe I had a cold or sinusitis, but this cough suddenly coming has worried me tbh
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Dont worry about it, it just means you are a man.
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Last time i almost died, but managed to just barely survive by not moving an inch from the couch.
It also gave me time to research how to make cheese.
Im still not sure how its made, but i do know that they put the skin on.
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Is this your TDS talking again or what? Once again I didn't mention Trump anywhere.
I keep mentioning masks 'cause scientists keep telling over and over again that masks work! Even your favorite host told you that!
I don't think masks should be mandatory in outside areas unless there's some mass gathering.
How you think you can protect care homes especially if you go with herd immunity-strategy? The virus will be everywhere. You can't medically seal those care homes. There will be people taking care of the elderly. With herd immunity-strategy there's a very high chance that one of those people who work at care homes will get the virus and spread it there.
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Just leaving this here to form your own opinion
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Heathen!
Leave Sweden alone!
We are doing the best we can, which is nothing.
Actually i think we went down this road because nobody wanted to be responsible for making tough decisions.
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As I said stringent testing for nursing home staff would make a difference, perhaps staff could follow more strict social distancing measures and if required receive govt financial help for that. Not have to travel by crowded public transport is one example, food deliveries etc...
Most people testing positive atm using these pcr tests are young, and the false positive rate is high for these pcr tests. And at the start of the outbreak we didn't have or do these pcr tests, so we do not have a fair comparison of pcr case rates back then and now, but the hospitilisation or death rate is nowhere near april, therefore it is not a second wave similar to april.
On Monday, Westminster was rocked by the release of the latest Sage minutes. They revealed that on September 21, the panel of experts had determined Covid was spiralling out of control and a new host of measures was required, including a 'circuit-breaker lockdown'. Yet Ministers had rejected their counsel
Tucked away at the bottom of the bombshell Sage minute is the following passage about circuit-breakers: 'The evidence base into the effectiveness and harms of these interventions is generally weak. However, the urgency of the situation is such that we cannot wait for better quality evidence before making decisions.'
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Whilst the positivity rate or hospitalisation rate is not as high as in april we are seeing exponential growth in hospitalisations and are at the rate of mid march now.
Percentages mean nothing when your hospitals are filling up and getting in trouble. It might be only 3% that's hospitalised now but if it's 3% of 10.000 positive tests compared to 10% of 3.000 that's exactly the same.
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Just leaving these here to form your own opinion
Add on top the far less collateral damage swedes will face compared to the uk approach, this damage will appear through the coming years as well as this year.
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I'm not getting the whole mask controversy, its such a small sacrifice, whether its effective or not. Especially for those of us that aren't required to wear it all day long.
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Thems all the symptoms I have when hungoverhttps:Has test done today.
5 days ago started with a sore throat cracking headaches fore head and behind eyes, next few days started to lose my voice, sound hoarse and getting thick mucus up, also blocked nose, Headaches now gone and so has blocked nose, I now have an awful cough and still distraught voice, No time did I have a high temp in past 5 days, ranging from 36.8/37.7 oral.
Just thought maybe I had a cold or sinusitis, but this cough suddenly coming has worried me tbh
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