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Corona virus - Covid 19 discussion

Harry_BKK said:
Good to see that you don't want to see the list of achievements
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"though it would be interesting to see a list of achievements to date" :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

I do want to see a list of achievements, and to compare it alongside the total bill for the approx 72 years it's been in existence.

Moving forward maybe the money would be better spent on the 'doctors without borders' organisation; look if the AP, guardian and probably dozens of other outlets think the WHO wastes money, I'm afraid that's enough for me to believe there is credible evidence. I'm not going to spend hours/days/months trying to decipher financial reports :oops:

And what makes you so convinced they're doing a great job and not wasting money that could be better spent on the ground providing medicines etc...?


CNN, Tedros in February, after Trump announced a travel ban:

The Director General of the World Health Organisation (WHO) has called on countries not to impose travel and trade restrictions over the coronavirus, warning that such measures could increase “fear and stigma” within the international community.

“We reiterate our call to all countries not to impose restrictions that unnecessarily interfere with international travel and trade. Such restrictions can have the effect of increasing fear and stigma, with little public health benefit,”

^ What bunkum, flight restrictions could have slowed the spread of the virus and given countries more time to prepare
 
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Advice from Scotlands Clinical Director.......

Here the UK and Scottish governments are downplaying the wearing of masks with
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, the Scottish government’s national clinical director, saying that “…there is “no evidence” to support members of the public wearing protective face masks.

”These, he says “should be worn by healthcare workers and people who have coronavirus.

Considering the rate of infection is unknown and the average amount of time people cough, sneeze and touch their mouths, this statement contradicts itself.

Of course it is beneficial to wear a mask. It doesnt sit above general hygiene and washing your hands but to say it wouldnt benefit the public defies logic and is a blatant lie in my opinion.

Edit: Something a bit lighter and maybe a little silver lining?

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mack341 said:
"though it would be interesting to see a list of achievements to date" :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

I do want to see a list of achievements, and to compare it alongside the total bill for the approx 72 years it's been in existence.

Moving forward maybe the money would be better spent on the 'doctors without borders' organisation; look if the AP, guardian and probably dozens of other outlets think the WHO wastes money, I'm afraid that's enough for me to believe there is credible evidence. I'm not going to spend hours/days/months trying to decipher financial reports :oops:

And what makes you so convinced they're doing a great job and not wasting money that could be better spent on the ground providing medicines etc...?


CNN, Tedros in February, after Trump announced a travel ban:

The Director General of the World Health Organisation (WHO) has called on countries not to impose travel and trade restrictions over the coronavirus, warning that such measures could increase “fear and stigma” within the international community.

“We reiterate our call to all countries not to impose restrictions that unnecessarily interfere with international travel and trade. Such restrictions can have the effect of increasing fear and stigma, with little public health benefit,”

^ What bunkum, flight restrictions could have slowed the spread of the virus and given countries more time to prepare
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Like I pointed out earlier, we lost alot of time in February doing fuck all. I hope lessons will be learned because imo we can expect a virus that is way more destructive in the next 50 to 100 years. This one is classed as relatively "mild", if this one had the mortality rate of SARS or MERS combined with the contagiousness, rapid spread and long incubation period... :eek2:
 
ternur said:
I'm sorry Ben, but that's a real brain fart. Total bullshit.

Better values and cultures? That's how wars start. That's what's fucking wrong in this world. You can certainly have a diffent view on everything, but does it make your views better? No. It just makes them different.

These kinds of comments make me really sad. Really sad.
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How dare you - what about the British values taught in schools?

Ben has a point re some being better than others - personally, i find the Germans' to be better than than 'us' in most ways:p
 
pinnit2014 said:
How dare you - what about the British values taught in schools?

Ben has a point re some being better than others - personally, i find the Germans' to be better than than 'us' in most ways:p
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The only people on this planet superior to any other are the gingers.
Because we have super-powers.
You "normies" are just lucky there are so few of us.
And that theres a sun.
 
pinnit2014 said:
How dare you - what about the British values taught in schools?

Ben has a point re some being better than others - personally, i find the Germans' to be better than than 'us' in most ways:p
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One of the lessons I remember from my school days. The teacher said, "Do not believe what others say to you, not even me. Learn to think." Never had a better lesson.

I can almost read these days what Ben actually meant. But the underlying idea of attributing adjectives like "better" is very narrow and in fact dangerous, when they are used in connection with something that's inherently nonuniversal (like "values" or "culture").
 
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Advice from Scotlands Clinical Director.......

Here the UK and Scottish governments are downplaying the wearing of masks with
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, the Scottish government’s national clinical director, saying that “…there is “no evidence” to support members of the public wearing protective face masks.

”These, he says “should be worn by healthcare workers and people who have coronavirus.

Considering the rate of infection is unknown and the average amount of time people cough, sneeze and touch their mouths, this statement contradicts itself.

Of course it is beneficial to wear a mask. It doesnt sit above general hygiene and washing your hands but to say it wouldnt benefit the public defies logic and is a blatant lie in my opinion.

Edit: Something a bit lighter and maybe a little silver lining?

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Longwinded way of saying we havent got any masks and if we had the public cant have them
 
On a mission today, threatened with a fine yesterday for driving to the park to walk the dog,going
again with a copy of the latest police guidelines clearly stating you can drive to take exersise.
Not to cause trouble, the dog has to be walked,I am too knackered to walk uphill to the park then give him a decent run but I dont like to threatened when I am doing nothing illegal and complying with the social distancing rules (which I take very seriously).The fine is only a bad 10mins on Bonanza if it goes pear shaped.
 
mack341 said:
"though it would be interesting to see a list of achievements to date" :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

I do want to see a list of achievements, and to compare it alongside the total bill for the approx 72 years it's been in existence.

Moving forward maybe the money would be better spent on the 'doctors without borders' organisation; look if the AP, guardian and probably dozens of other outlets think the WHO wastes money, I'm afraid that's enough for me to believe there is credible evidence. I'm not going to spend hours/days/months trying to decipher financial reports :oops:

And what makes you so convinced they're doing a great job and not wasting money that could be better spent on the ground providing medicines etc...?


CNN, Tedros in February, after Trump announced a travel ban:

The Director General of the World Health Organisation (WHO) has called on countries not to impose travel and trade restrictions over the coronavirus, warning that such measures could increase “fear and stigma” within the international community.

“We reiterate our call to all countries not to impose restrictions that unnecessarily interfere with international travel and trade. Such restrictions can have the effect of increasing fear and stigma, with little public health benefit,”

^ What bunkum, flight restrictions could have slowed the spread of the virus and given countries more time to prepare
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Again, DWB has a different mission and would not be able to do what the WHO does. They are not comparable. Is the WHO perfect? I am 100% sure it is not.

The WHO statement you quoted was made before it was established that COVID-19 can be transmitted by asymptomatic people. That transpired in late February only, IIRC

The general scientific opinion is that once you have detection in a country, then a travel ban will not help overly much and instead cause more chaos. The mitigation becomes more important. It is akin the saying: "once the horse is out of the barn, it is no use to close the door".

Plus, you still have to let your own people, permanent residents etc into the country. E.g. after Mr T's China restrictions they had another 40,000 people entering the US from direct China flights and foolishly did very little if any screening at the airports.

A travel ban would be only really effective if you impose it on all countries and all people, including your own. Any other partial restrictions won't do much good, especially if you don't properly screen all of your incoming arrivals.

The bigger problem is that most did not take it seriously enough in February when everyone had a clear understanding of what was happening in China and then starting in Italy.

What makes COVID-19 special is the asymptomatic transmission. That wasn't clear until late February, IIRC. With SARS or MERS, infected people were only contagious when they showed symptoms. COVID-19 is like a silent killer, it has spread without people knowing that they were spreading it.
 
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Playford7 said:
China admitting to fudging the deaths this morning. Backed by the WHO.
What a surprise...not
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Yet another falsehood. Sad to see that you can't stop Ben.

They issued a correction which your government has done as well. And no, that statement was not backed by the WHO, it was submitted to the WHO.

But carry on with your racism! Bravo! :rolleyes:
 
Kroffe said:
The only people on this planet superior to any other are the gingers.
Because we have super-powers.
You "normies" are just lucky there are so few of us.
And that theres a sun.
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Hopefully the threat posed to the Ginger Breadmen (or people or whatever) will be addressed at WHO level; a world without Christina Hendricks is not one I wish to be part of.
 
Harry_BKK said:
Yet another falsehood. Sad to see that you can't stop Ben.

They issued a correction which your government has done as well. And no, that statement was not backed by the WHO, it was submitted to the WHO.

But carry on with your racism! Bravo! :rolleyes:
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How on Earth is it racism! Seriously??
they raised the death toll this morning by 1300, yet deny a cover up.. its communist China man! Wake up!
 
shadow123 said:
Just imagine a left handed Ginger, would be invincible,the virus would shit itself
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There is no advantage to being left-handed, quite the opposite, they are born into a right-handed world.
"But they are smarter"
Since i am right-handed i know this to not be true, actually, once again, its the opposite.
They do however have a slight advantage in sports such as tennis, boxing etc since the other players are more used to train and have matches vs normal people.


"Overall, Ntolka and Papadatou-Pastou (2018) integrated the results of 18 studies that had measured full IQ scores in different handedness groups. Altogether, data from 20,442 individuals were included. Three meta-analyses on possible differences in standardized IQ score between different handedness groups were conducted:

  1. Left-handers compared to right-handers
  2. Non-right-handers (e.g., left-handers and mixed-handers) compared to right-handers
  3. Mixed-handers compared to right-handers
The results? There were no differences in mean IQ scores between right-handers and non-right-handers, or between right-handers and mixed-handers. For the comparison between right-handers and left-handers, however, there was a statistically significant effect, showing that right-handers had a higher average IQ than left-handers. Importantly, this effect was tiny and unlikely to have any substantial effect in real life. To illustrate this, the authors gave the following example: Assuming that left-handers had an average IQ of 100, and both left-handers and right-handers had similar variation in their data, then right-handers would have an average IQ of 101.05. Furthermore, the effect lost statistical significance when one study was excluded from the meta-analysis. These findings led the authors to conclude that the absolute magnitude of IQ differences between left-handers and right-handers is extremely small and that any intelligence differences between the two groups in the general population are negligible."


But make no mistake, even a left-handed ginger is still far superior to the "normies"
 
Sorry but has anyone read some of the new guidelines. And people wonder why I say the lockdown is a sham and should be ended now.

Take just one of them. You are allowed to now go stay at a friend's etc. As a cool down period if being arguing at home etc.
So in other words sod it can now go see family or friends at weekend and if anyone questions it I needed a break from arguing with partner.

Add that to some of the things you are now allowed to go buy from shops etc.

Now so many ways to still follow guidelines yet do what u want.

They want to cause disruption to country for peoples welfare I can accept that but it needs to be done right . If not it is a joke that is hurting a lot of people for basically nothing.
 
Playford7 said:
How on Earth is it racism! Seriously??
they raised the death toll this morning by 1300, yet deny a cover up.. its communist China man! Wake up!
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So should your government correct the numbers, will you call it then a cover-up too? And will you then exclaim as well - It's the UK! Wake up!

You could of course, first read the full statement to see the reasons for the corrections and second, the official WHO procedure on how the number of cases in a pandemic is reported, including corrections. But then it is properly easier to just shout: Cover-up! with no evidence whatsoever. And since you have done that repeatedly and even alluded that, quote: "certain values and cultures are better than others", there is no other conclusion than to call it racist comments.

I sent you a PM with links to the guidelines and explanations for exactly this kind of thing, seems, you didn't bother to read them. BTW, they were written with the contribution of your government.

Lastly, I said it in an earlier post that the numbers of most countries are most probably not correct. That does not necessarily mean that there was a cover-up. And while I do not trust China 100% either, I will first gather undeniable facts before branding anyone a cheat. Currently, that is not the case yet but the facts will come out, eventually.
 
shadow123 said:
As far as I know the UK is still not showing all the deaths in the daily update,only those who die in hospital.
the ones in care homes and the community are ignored.Dont know why they cant be honest about it,
the public deserve to know the truth.
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That's not good.

Finland has 82 deaths as of now. 2/3 of those have happened in nursing homes. :(
 
ternur said:
That's not good.

Finland has 82 deaths as of now. 2/3 of those have happened in nursing homes. :(
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It's the same in Sweden, 1/3, so scary if it's the same amount in UK and other countries that doesn't include them. Italy and Spain.
In the US they raised the dead with around 3000 I think in New York alone just yesterday with including the nursing homes.

Edit: Sweden does not have that many. More 1/3 when I checked it.
 
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ternur said:
That's not good.

Finland has 82 deaths as of now. 2/3 of those have happened in nursing homes. :(
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So it start to be quite obvious which segment needs most care and avoid any contacts to others. Also there are many signs that children (or young people under 20 or something) don't spread virus between each others like seasonal flu where schools are one of places where it really spread.

When starting to have these kind of fact based information, also found out that in Denmark and Netherlands people who were donating blood or had blood tests for some other reason, around 3% have developed antibodies agains Covid19:

bout 3 percent of blood donors in the Netherlands have developed antibodies against Covid-19, the respiratory disease caused by the coronavirus, RIVM director Jaap van Dissel told the Tweede Kamer based on an as-yet-unpublished study by blood bank Sanquin, NU.nl reports.
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So at least starting to think about some kind of step by spet exit plan from these total lockdowns in some places start to be one of current matters. Not suggesting Premier League with full stadiums starting tomorrow but how and where to start and which order to start to open places plans are hopefully on table and something to be also happen relatively soon for some restrictions.
 
TBH I wouldnt like the responsibiliy of managing the end or relaxation of the lockdown,bloody minefield,
get one thing wrong and we could be back to square one or worse.
Still getting large deaths figures in the UK but it does seem to be under some control and looks like we
may be able to buy the time we need until a vaccine is available.At least we are not in the situation where the deaths are doubling every few days anymore.There are still big problems PPE and care homes to be resolved but maybe there is a glimmer of hope that one day this will be all a horrible memory.
 
Amazing to see how quick nature is retaking space usually occupied by humans. :D

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shadow123 said:
TBH I wouldnt like the responsibiliy of managing the end or relaxation of the lockdown,bloody minefield,
get one thing wrong and we could be back to square one or worse.
Still getting large deaths figures in the UK but it does seem to be under some control and looks like we
may be able to buy the time we need until a vaccine is available.At least we are not in the situation where the deaths are doubling every few days anymore.There are still big problems PPE and care homes to be resolved but maybe there is a glimmer of hope that one day this will be all a horrible memory.
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What would be estimation that somehow tested vaccination would be available for whole world? Reading about different opinions that how fast vaccinations could be done and then of course how long time it would minimum for testing, not to bring anything more harmful than COVID19 is especially for kids and young people.

Do we speak about year or more or less? Carehomes of course need be strictly monitored and locked down as we see everywhere that for elderly people with weak immunity this virus is extreme dangerous and death percent very sad.

I agree 100% that i'm really happy that i don't have responsibility to decide what kind of restrictions are needed, where and for how long. If you equation where you X+Y+Z is ?, you have no idea of value of X and Y, Z you know with 40% mistake marginal and you are expected to get best result for people get over pandemia with by solving whit equation can't be really thing what many would like to do.
 
SKIP PAST IF YOUVE DELICATE SENSIBILITIES

I'm a big supporter of the measures; stay home, flatten the curve, set aside your self-entitled preconceptions, work for the greater good where able :)

Think of the greater good :thumbsup:

I post...a lot.
I'm also, very private :)

My father died 5 hrs ago.
My brother had a stroke an hr ago.

(not covid related, perspective for priorities)

We can't and couldn't see my dad before he passed.
My brother may pass and we can't go see him.
Life sucks.
Life always sucks

PLEASE, please......think...every time...every damned time...you decide, youve a gods-given right to go play, protest, chat, gather...your scope extends so very much further than you. THIS ISNT JUST ABOUT YOU

Stay home.
Appreciate your family and time on Earth.
It will pass.
Stay THE FUCK HOME so you CAN go back out and enjoy

k?
k!!

thank you <3
 
Today wanted fish and chips. Sadly the haddock and cod had sold out.
So settled for COD bites and chips, few scraps and a bread bun.
Tea will follow later, it’s a curry :-)
Hope we are all ok. Still love you harry
 

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Playford7 said:
Today wanted fish and chips. Sadly the haddock and cod had sold out.
So settled for COD bites and chips, few scraps and a bread bun.
Tea will follow later, it’s a curry :)
Hope we are all ok. Still love you harry
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Sacrilege; that isn’t a crispy roll :mad:

Roll=bun

Back home we call them baps (yes, I know)

And what, on Gods good earth, is that red stuff smothered over those chips:p
 
pinnit2014 said:
Sacrilege; that isn’t a crispy roll :mad:

Roll=bun

Back home we call them baps (yes, I know)

And what, on Gods good earth, is that red stuff smothered over those chips:p
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The ketchup is always controversial. Many want curry, others tartare sauce and some traditionalist just plain with salt and vinegar or mushy peas infact.
I can’t please the masses although I try haha
 
dionysus said:
SKIP PAST IF YOUVE DELICATE SENSIBILITIES

I'm a big supporter of the measures; stay home, flatten the curve, set aside your self-entitled preconceptions, work for the greater good where able :)

Think of the greater good :thumbsup:

I post...a lot.
I'm also, very private :)

My father died 5 hrs ago.
My brother had a stroke an hr ago.

(not covid related, perspective for priorities)

We can't and couldn't see my dad before he passed.
My brother may pass and we can't go see him.
Life sucks.
Life always sucks

PLEASE, please......think...every time...every damned time...you decide, youve a gods-given right to go play, protest, chat, gather...your scope extends so very much further than you. THIS ISNT JUST ABOUT YOU

Stay home.
Appreciate your family and time on Earth.
It will pass.
Stay THE FUCK HOME so you CAN go back out and enjoy

k?
k!!

thank you <3
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Horrible man.

Few days to go the the first anniversary of my Dad leaving us (can’t get over as well) was actually on the phone saying to my mum today ‘small mercies that it wasn’t this time this year’, as he was in MacMillan.

Sorry to hear
 
Playford7 said:
The ketchup is always controversial. Many want curry, others tartare sauce and some traditionalist just plain with salt and vinegar or mushy peas infact.
I can’t please the masses although I try haha
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My sisters ex husband used to go to the local hotel carvery and apply said sauce to gravy.

That put me off it for life (and the fact he was a scumbag) and it’s strictly the traditional for me, minus the mushy peas because I’ve never felt the urge to eat anything that looks like it’s came out of my own body :p
 
dionysus said:
SKIP PAST IF YOUVE DELICATE SENSIBILITIES

I'm a big supporter of the measures; stay home, flatten the curve, set aside your self-entitled preconceptions, work for the greater good where able :)

Think of the greater good :thumbsup:

I post...a lot.
I'm also, very private :)

My father died 5 hrs ago.
My brother had a stroke an hr ago.

(not covid related, perspective for priorities)

We can't and couldn't see my dad before he passed.
My brother may pass and we can't go see him.
Life sucks.
Life always sucks

PLEASE, please......think...every time...every damned time...you decide, youve a gods-given right to go play, protest, chat, gather...your scope extends so very much further than you. THIS ISNT JUST ABOUT YOU

Stay home.
Appreciate your family and time on Earth.
It will pass.
Stay THE FUCK HOME so you CAN go back out and enjoy

k?
k!!

thank you <3
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So sorry to hear about your loss, must have been awful not being able to see them.
Puts our stupid moans and groans into perspective
 
dionysus said:
SKIP PAST IF YOUVE DELICATE SENSIBILITIES

I'm a big supporter of the measures; stay home, flatten the curve, set aside your self-entitled preconceptions, work for the greater good where able :)

Think of the greater good :thumbsup:

I post...a lot.
I'm also, very private :)

My father died 5 hrs ago.
My brother had a stroke an hr ago.

(not covid related, perspective for priorities)

We can't and couldn't see my dad before he passed.
My brother may pass and we can't go see him.
Life sucks.
Life always sucks

PLEASE, please......think...every time...every damned time...you decide, youve a gods-given right to go play, protest, chat, gather...your scope extends so very much further than you. THIS ISNT JUST ABOUT YOU

Stay home.
Appreciate your family and time on Earth.
It will pass.
Stay THE FUCK HOME so you CAN go back out and enjoy

k?
k!!

thank you <3
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Iam so so sorry for your loss.
Genuinely.
I can’t say anymore yet hope your ok as ok can be, I’ve just this second seen this so obviously wouldn’t of posted what I had minutes ago.
Always there if you need a chat.
I’m sorry Dino
 
dionysus said:
SKIP PAST IF YOUVE DELICATE SENSIBILITIES

I'm a big supporter of the measures; stay home, flatten the curve, set aside your self-entitled preconceptions, work for the greater good where able :)

Think of the greater good :thumbsup:

I post...a lot.
I'm also, very private :)

My father died 5 hrs ago.
My brother had a stroke an hr ago.

(not covid related, perspective for priorities)

We can't and couldn't see my dad before he passed.
My brother may pass and we can't go see him.
Life sucks.
Life always sucks

PLEASE, please......think...every time...every damned time...you decide, youve a gods-given right to go play, protest, chat, gather...your scope extends so very much further than you. THIS ISNT JUST ABOUT YOU

Stay home.
Appreciate your family and time on Earth.
It will pass.
Stay THE FUCK HOME so you CAN go back out and enjoy

k?
k!!

thank you <3
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So sad for your loss, lots of ❤️ to you and your family.
 
dionysus said:
SKIP PAST IF YOUVE DELICATE SENSIBILITIES

I'm a big supporter of the measures; stay home, flatten the curve, set aside your self-entitled preconceptions, work for the greater good where able :)

Think of the greater good :thumbsup:

I post...a lot.
I'm also, very private :)

My father died 5 hrs ago.
My brother had a stroke an hr ago.

(not covid related, perspective for priorities)

We can't and couldn't see my dad before he passed.
My brother may pass and we can't go see him.
Life sucks.
Life always sucks

PLEASE, please......think...every time...every damned time...you decide, youve a gods-given right to go play, protest, chat, gather...your scope extends so very much further than you. THIS ISNT JUST ABOUT YOU

Stay home.
Appreciate your family and time on Earth.
It will pass.
Stay THE FUCK HOME so you CAN go back out and enjoy

k?
k!!

thank you <3
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So sorry for your loss
Praying your brother recovers.

Staying home.
 
dionysus said:
SKIP PAST IF YOUVE DELICATE SENSIBILITIES

I'm a big supporter of the measures; stay home, flatten the curve, set aside your self-entitled preconceptions, work for the greater good where able :)

Think of the greater good :thumbsup:

I post...a lot.
I'm also, very private :)

My father died 5 hrs ago.
My brother had a stroke an hr ago.

(not covid related, perspective for priorities)

We can't and couldn't see my dad before he passed.
My brother may pass and we can't go see him.
Life sucks.
Life always sucks

PLEASE, please......think...every time...every damned time...you decide, youve a gods-given right to go play, protest, chat, gather...your scope extends so very much further than you. THIS ISNT JUST ABOUT YOU

Stay home.
Appreciate your family and time on Earth.
It will pass.
Stay THE FUCK HOME so you CAN go back out and enjoy

k?
k!!

thank you <3
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Sorry for your loss :(
 
dionysus said:
SKIP PAST IF YOUVE DELICATE SENSIBILITIES

I'm a big supporter of the measures; stay home, flatten the curve, set aside your self-entitled preconceptions, work for the greater good where able :)

Think of the greater good :thumbsup:

I post...a lot.
I'm also, very private :)

My father died 5 hrs ago.
My brother had a stroke an hr ago.

(not covid related, perspective for priorities)

We can't and couldn't see my dad before he passed.
My brother may pass and we can't go see him.
Life sucks.
Life always sucks

PLEASE, please......think...every time...every damned time...you decide, youve a gods-given right to go play, protest, chat, gather...your scope extends so very much further than you. THIS ISNT JUST ABOUT YOU

Stay home.
Appreciate your family and time on Earth.
It will pass.
Stay THE FUCK HOME so you CAN go back out and enjoy

k?
k!!

thank you <3
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Sorry for your loss Dio.

Hope your brother pulls through!

I'm lost for words.
 
Harry_BKK said:
Interesting findings by UK scientists:

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That makes me think back of a Youtube vid I saw from a critical German doctor, I forgot his name :oops: , who basically said: why do we think it only started end of 2019? It could've easily been around last winter but nobody added the new virus to the database until it hit hard in Wuhan.

Might it have mutated after it first emerged to spread easier and is that why we are currently having a pandemic?
 

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