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I missed this 3 weeks ago.
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The italian airforce. The single jet represents the virus and the rest of the aircraft display the Italian flag with the music of Nessun Dorma we will overcome/ win .
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So the studies from the DOD, CDC, and results posted for all to see as part of research, suddenly you seem to think that makes me claim to be a doctor? where the fuck did I claim to be one? what you're doing is just classic ad hominem, you know what that is right?
Ad hominem, which stands for the Latin term argumentum ad hominem, is a response to a person's argument by attacking the person's character rather than the logic or content of the argument. Ad hominem remarks are often an example of fallacy, because they are irrelevant to the overall argument.
You are using this tactic against me because I cited stuides by various bodies, nowhere did I claim to be a doctor of medicine, can't post anything in here without childish ad hominem replies, which is why I stopped posting, waste of typing effort talking to such mentality. It's like someone posting a graphs and studies of deaths per year of car accidents then claiming the poster thinks they are a PHD in car engineering because they researched it.
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It's a lovely spring day (even if ya are stuck inside); let's curb any personal jabs shall we? 
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Latin is a language dead
as dead as it can be.
It killed the Romans long ago,
and now it's killing me!
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And yet not a single answer to the questions that were asked. Maybe its time to put up or shut up......
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THE GOVERNMENT WILL BE LIFTING RESTRICTIONS IN PARKS AND BEACHES DURING THE EASTER BREAK
The Government has announced today that, for the Easter break, certain groups of people are allowed to go to parks and beaches or invite friends round for BBQs.
While the majority of the population will remain in lockdown the following groups will be allowed to gather together:
- Imbeciles
- Halfwits
- Morons
- Troglodytes
- Ignoramus’
- Simpletons
- Illiterates
- Idiots
- Dickheads
- Twats
- Tossers
- Bellends
Anyone not in those groups must follow the guidelines set out by the Governments regarding social distancing.
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Gasp! You've blown the story wide open! Congrats!
All physicians, nurses, EMTs, coroners, and health care officials are in cahoots! Except the Republican senator from Minnesota, of course.
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Why do you keep posting utter shite instead of answering the questions? One doctor is told to fill in the death as coronavirus and that makes it a full on conspiracy.....
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The media a couple of weeks ago said people had died from it, then it turned out they had underlying conditions, again you love to twist things viciously, and invent things that are not said or there I showed one doctor that is being told to mark them all the same, show me where I said it's a big conspiracy? show me where I said they are all in on it? this is how it works on here, post something then getting accused of saying things that were not even said in an attempt to demonise the person who posts.
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Here are the highlights from previous article:
Another article on why people believe in conspiracy theories from TIME:
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And still no answers to the basic questions.......
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Desire to feel special, nope I have zero desire to feel special you know absolutely nothing about me.
I am absolutely not narccissistic, I have been on the end of people like that I have experiences of being around such people and I am certainly not one of them.
Being less educated lol you know nothing about my education again wrong I have donated money in the past to local causes, and helped many people in the past who have needed it, I didn't do any of that to feel special, I did it because it is the right thing to do, nice sweeping generalisations you like to make.
I would never presume to know anybody unless I truly know them, unlike you who likes to make sweeping generalisations that somebody is narccassistic and has poor education based off a few forum posts..just wow.
I can imagine you being head of HR, take one look at someones CV and if they had a job shovelling shit 20 years ago they will be crossed off the list as being too smelly to work for you.
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Sisters and brothers! (See what I did there, women first) go feminism!
We have tonight a healthy ish option on the ‘Chinese virus thats fucked the world cooking with playford thread/post)
I do hope we are all well.
I went against jans advice of ordering a curry and made some shit from what I have in stock in the playford fridge.
We have....
Chicken and chorizo and red onion, the old cherry tomatoes and some spinach..
Mozzarella and some pine nuts..
To be fair it was utterly shit and I will be ordering a kebab.
Finest regards as always.
We have tonight a healthy ish option on the ‘Chinese virus thats fucked the world cooking with playford thread/post)
I do hope we are all well.
I went against jans advice of ordering a curry and made some shit from what I have in stock in the playford fridge.
We have....
Chicken and chorizo and red onion, the old cherry tomatoes and some spinach..
Mozzarella and some pine nuts..
To be fair it was utterly shit and I will be ordering a kebab.
Finest regards as always.
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I didn't write the article(s). Also, the articles outline demographic and psychological commonalities among people who believe in conspiracy theories. These are patterns, not absolutes. If you read the second article, this is discussed further.
The study and subsequent article weren't written about you specifically. Oh, and about that narcissism, what were you saying?
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I think it looked nice, apart from the red onion.
Onion is devils food.
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People are fed up with you as you never answer their questions. You ignore anything that you can't dispute so you pretend it's not been said. Like the people on here who are actually in the medical profession or have a partner who is. You act like they don't exist as they are a pain in your conspiracy world pah all that reality messing it up
People are dying so forgive us if we pass on the one doctor said this vs a vs all the others who did not . You really believe these people aren't dying of the virus... beggars belief. So if they are not why are so many people getting ill and dying all of a sudden as if we believe you then surely no more people than normal should be in hospital or lying in morgues which have also had to he extended... and yet the hospitals are full and Ecuador have bodies in the streets already as they are overwhelmed.
You can believe what ever you want but do not insult the people who risk their lives to save people including you by saying they are making stuff up and have some respect for the dead as well. Its called decency.
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I took offence at being called one when I am not, how to you think I am going to react?
Let me tell you something that happened around 2003 / 2004 It was in an IRC chat room we had known each other for years the guys username was Hellzdezine or Hellzdizine or something very close to that. We all knew each other online for a long time, well he was suicidal we were all concerned we knew he had problems at home, so I decided to talk to him and keep him talking as much as I could, I hacked his computer through methods I will not go into, that was my poor education that allowed me to do that you see, I gotten his IP address which was in american on MCHSI (mediacom high speed internet) I passed the IP onto a lady who lived in America and she called the Police told them what was going on, they must have called Mediacom, they traced the IP to his house and they calmed him down and he got help and as far as I know he was okay after that, I don't go around sharing about this online, in fact I have never posted this on a forum before, not the actions of a narccissist, but will of couse say people change over time blah blah, I am done wasting time with this mentality.
And go ahead and say I am posting it to feel special I am posting it so you might think twice about labelling somebody you know nothing about.
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It's quite easy to see someone's IP on IRC if they don't connect through a proxy (bouncer or socks5). You simply do /whois username and there you go: you see the persons IP or hostname assigned to the IP. When the hostname is displayed you might have to do an additional /dns hostname to see the actual IP depending on the IRC server, some will also give you the actual IP.
There's no hacking or hocus-pocus involved.
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This particular IRC server we were on was masking the IP when you used the standard /whois command it was disabled so it was not possible to do unlike most other IRC servers, and luckily he did not connect through a socks 5 proxy or bouncer.
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This isn't about you. It's about a virus. How the heck did we get on to you being a hero. Good distraction from all those questions you won't answer though.
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I'll say it again. The article outlined similar characteristics shared be people who believe in conspiracy theories. That means not every conspiracy theorist out there has ALL of those characteristics. Good job making it about you, though!
You make a lot of assumptions. I'm going to go out on a limb here and guess that is also a characteristic of conspiracy theorists - giant leaps in logic.
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I give up with this forum, I was accused of being all these things I come out and explain myself and how this poster is wrong to make such sweeping generalisations, where did I say I was a hero, I cannot say one fucking sentence without being called uneducated, try to defend myself and I am making it all about me and I am creating a distraction, I literally cannot speak without, demonisation, vitrol, ad hominem, silly memes, it does not matter what I posted it gets twisted around to the point of ridiclous how is anybody supposed to answer when everything gets twisted and everyone jumps on someone who dares to post something not in the mainstream? I am tired and fed up of wasting the energy.
So you posted some patronising paragraph about "conspiracy theorists" and that was just random was it, accidently clicked it and pasted into into here not aimed at me? and it was not sarcastic patronisation right?
Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit.
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I for one welcome different opinions but when people ask for additional information, why not engage instead of posting something else? It's not a personal attack if they ask you to explain what you just posted.
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Where did I say I don't think people are dying of the virus???? this is about the 10th time I keep being accused of things I never said..that is insanity, do I think the numbers are wrong, yes, do I think they are marking down people as dying of Covid19 when they didn't because they have some corona in their system yes as documentation backs this up, documentation I showed gives over an 80% false positve rate, it's like somebody can go out and research things, see that things look wrong and things are being misrepresented by the media, but if they speak out about things there are jumped on by a pack of wolves for daring to speak.
How is it not logical to say whoaaaa hang on a minute 80% false positve testing rate how sure are they these people have it? it is a logical question, we all have corona in our system, so all am asking is how accurate is the test, considering there is such a high false positive test, are they just testing for corona not specifically covid19? as scientists have said covid19 has never been isolated in a lab, there is no gold standard to test it against, again a logical question was how are they certain they are testing positive with no gold standard test.
But every reply ends up in a personal attack? stupid memes, ridicule, vitrol, one example last week I posted the stats from the ISS the Italian government that showed most of the deaths were people over 65, the very next reply the poster flat out said "I am sure those old people will be happy you want them to die" what the hell kind of reply is that?!! i never said anything like that...that is an absolutely a ridiculous thing to reply back with, that is taking an innocent statement and completely twising it to beat the poster over the head with.
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Surely unless a full autopsy is done on every single person who dies we can't say 100 percent what they died of. However if they were doing pretty much ok before they got the coronavirus it would be safe to assume that the virus had a really big part in their demise. Isn't that good enough?
Too many people are dying to autopsy them all and we cant risk all of the coroners falling poorly from cutting open infected bodies.
What we do know is that a lot of people are needing hospital care who contract the virus and a lot of people who end up on ventilators go on to die . This information alone is enough to realise we have to slow the spread.
Too many people are dying to autopsy them all and we cant risk all of the coroners falling poorly from cutting open infected bodies.
What we do know is that a lot of people are needing hospital care who contract the virus and a lot of people who end up on ventilators go on to die . This information alone is enough to realise we have to slow the spread.
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I can see how you feel persecuted and picked on. Perhaps reflect on why people react to your posts so strongly. Here is why you get responses from me.
You are posting material that is offensive to everyone that is currently fighting and dying on the front lines in healthcare. For you to write preposterous theories like COVID-19 death counts are inflated, it is an insult to the people who have lost their lives, an insult to their families, and an insult to all the doctors and nurses exhausting themselves working to save people.
I normally wouldn't give any acknowledgement to the crap you post except I have family that work in healthcare and hospitals. So for me, your "alternative facts" are beyond the pale. I find your opinions asinine and your viewpoints ignorant and reprehensible.
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We all have corona in our system most of us would test positive, the normal flu is classed as a corona, how many people are dying from the flu or some other reason, but because most of us have corona in us it can be attributed to covid19 instead of what they actually died of? this is the point many scientists and MD's are making and it is a fair point.
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Influenza is a completely different virus, it's not a corona virus. So that's not true.
Can you quote a source that says the current COVID-19 tests give a false positive for ALL coronaviruses? I have a hard time believing this because they're testing for a specific part of the novel virus which isn't found in the known human corona viruses. These known human corona viruses usually cause a common cold.
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No.... at the risk of repeating myself .... there is none so deaf as will not hear... because we don't normally have hospitals overflowing or morgues full to the brim. If you are right no more people than normal should be dying so the hospitals would not be full of people who can't breathe. So this has to be something else. Your theory doesn't hold up.
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Right so if research pointing to the numbers not being right, research showing large false positive testing numbers that were happening, reports of people dying from it when they did not, that isn't offensive to their familes to mark them down with a false death? so you are saying because you have family that works in healthcare, I know people that do also btw, all the information, studies citations publicy available surrounding this, they don't exist? all of this information doesn't matter? I get it, this is not the place where anyone can ask questions without being riciduled by the other 99% why did you not all jump on the moderator for posting that link and tear him to pieces like you would have if I posted that?
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Don't tempt me..
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Answer that question? if I posted that link you would have said stop posting shite? so go on then why not attack the mod for posting something similar?
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why would anyone?
I posted a link, I didnt ascribe any merits, opinions or veracity to it
I posted it to share
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When you answer even half of the questions you have been asked and ignored then come back to me.
Dion isn't disrespectful like you are for starters.
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Here is another example. First, Influenza is not a classed under the Coronavirus family of viruses. Second, you have no understanding of RNA viruses, PCR techniques, the creation of DNA primers, and how this all fits into testing specifically for COVID-19.
It would be better if you wrote posts such as this last one as a question: "Is it true that . . . .?", etc. But no, you post it as fact when you have very little scientific literacy and no business writing such misinformation.
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Oh and the don't tempt me had nothing to do with what the mod as you call him like he has no name posted.
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The NY Post is some sort of Fox News/OANN but in newspaper form
But what I wonder is: when there's a flu pandemy (like the 2009 swine flu one) and people who have the flu but die from a heart attack, are they counted as flu deaths or from having a heart attack?
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Can you quote a source that says the current COVID-19 tests give a false positive for ALL coronaviruses? I have a hard time believing this because they're testing for a specific part of the novel virus which isn't found in the known human corona viruses. These known human corona viruses usually cause a common cold.
Can you quote a source that says the current COVID-19 tests give a false positive for ALL coronaviruses? I have a hard time believing this because they're testing for a specific part of the novel virus which isn't found in the known human corona viruses. These known human corona viruses usually cause a common cold.
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Could you give a link to the research paper? I did a quick search on "corona false positive testing" but it turned up melanoma research results for some reason
Searching for "COVID-19 false positive testing" didn't turn up anything either.
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Practicing physician in Montana , for 30 years;
Dr. Annie Bukacek discusses how COVID 19 death certificates are being manipulated.
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This ... look at the mental affects poor man let alone the physical
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I would think it would be both, no? Cardiac arrest due to complications from Influenza. Like back when HIV/AIDS was a death sentence before the anti-virals. People died of secondary infections like pneumonia but they were susceptible to infection because they had HIV.The NY Post is some sort of Fox News/OANN but in newspaper form
But what I wonder is: when there's a flu pandemy (like the 2009 swine flu one) and people who have the flu but die from a heart attack, are they counted as flu deaths or from having a heart attack?
Anyone know for certain?
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