Corona virus - Covid 19 discussion

[Borgie]

This is from a friend whose friends father died. They are American.


Ok I’m bringing out my soapbox, I’m not looking for sympathy. I just need people to listen. People aren’t taking this seriously and I’m here to give you a first hand perspective. Nine days it took to take the life of my father. So within those nine days he rode that ambulance ALONE, he was intabated ALONE, he was brought to ICU ALONE, he took his last breath ALONE. I had to tell my children their grandpa went to heaven on FaceTime- I couldn’t even hug them and comfort them, I watched them cry and wasn't able to do a damn thing. The wake for my father was all of 45 minutes-there were no flowers, no chairs, no boards of pictures, no visits from family and friends talking about all the memories they had with him, there were no hugs- nothing but a small room and gloves to wear. Every aspect of comfort was stolen from my family- I haven’t been able to hug my mother or my brothers - we sat in separate spaces in that room and cried alone. In addition we need to wait five days to bury my father- which will have to be done without us, we are not allowed to be there. So if you are not taking this monster seriously- this could be your reality. It’s unimaginably painful - please think of the people around you that are at risk. These last two weeks has FOREVER changed the person I once was.

 

[Playford7]

You telling me the parts pointed out here are covered with sauce, and the darker colors are not caused by some form of heating of the dough?
Why do you put sauce on the rim of the pizza.
I dont know Playford.
Im starting to think this is a fake pizza.
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Bloody hell your like a Scandinavian columbo.
That said it’s real dough and i didn’t buy it ready made. Sauce round the edges is personal choice

 

[Kroffe]

Bloody hell your like a Scandinavian columbo.
That said it’s real dough and i didn’t buy it ready made. Sauce round the edges is personal choice

Since my name is Kristoffer i like to think of myself like more of a Columbus.

 

[Playford7]

This is from a friend whose friends father died. They are American.


Ok I’m bringing out my soapbox, I’m not looking for sympathy. I just need people to listen. People aren’t taking this seriously and I’m here to give you a first hand perspective. Nine days it took to take the life of my father. So within those nine days he rode that ambulance ALONE, he was intabated ALONE, he was brought to ICU ALONE, he took his last breath ALONE. I had to tell my children their grandpa went to heaven on FaceTime- I couldn’t even hug them and comfort them, I watched them cry and wasn't able to do a damn thing. The wake for my father was all of 45 minutes-there were no flowers, no chairs, no boards of pictures, no visits from family and friends talking about all the memories they had with him, there were no hugs- nothing but a small room and gloves to wear. Every aspect of comfort was stolen from my family- I haven’t been able to hug my mother or my brothers - we sat in separate spaces in that room and cried alone. In addition we need to wait five days to bury my father- which will have to be done without us, we are not allowed to be there. So if you are not taking this monster seriously- this could be your reality. It’s unimaginably painful - please think of the people around you that are at risk. These last two weeks has FOREVER changed the person I once was.

My cousin whom is younger and a lot fitter than me fell poorly. All the symptoms.
He’s healthy as hell and zero past conditions.
Poor lads been in bed over a week, was advised to stay put as he’s younger than those whom need more help.
Saw videos of him and he’s in a bad way, not on deaths door but it’s took his toll on him.
First close to home example I’ve sadly witnessed.

 

[paul7388]

Since my name is Kristoffer i like to think of myself like more of a Columbus.

Oh so thats where kroffe came from. Another useful bit of info for me.

 

[Kroffe]

Oh so thats where kroffe came from. Another useful bit of info for me.

Or is this just a well made web of lies.
You know Poohs friend is named Christopher Robin right? (i think its Christoffer Robin for the swedish version)

 

[paul7388]

Or is this just a well made web of lies.
You know Poohs friend is named Christopher Robin right? (i think its Christoffer Robin for the swedish version)

No pretty sure you are a Kristoffer in real life. Well you seem like one anyway.

 

[Playford7]

Just wondering what’s people’s thoughts..
If we get a so called vaccine for this and it’s to be administered via a jab like the flu jab would you want to have it?..
I’m of the thoughts I’d decline it.
Reason being I’m in perfect health apart from torn muscles and bad back.
There would be no research on the vaccine nor research on the outcome after years after having it.
Don’t get me wrong this virus is nasty, but I’ve lasted 39 years no serious issues, I’ll be turning it down.

 

[Mr_Slot5]

Will be interesting to see if we ever get a solid reason as to why this virus is hitting some hard and others not.

My theory is that there is something in the make up of this virus that some people have partial immunity to. Others being more exposed.

 

[paul7388]

Just wondering what’s people’s thoughts..
If we get a so called vaccine for this and it’s to be administered via a jab like the flu jab would you want to have it?..
I’m of the thoughts I’d decline it.
Reason being I’m in perfect health apart from torn muscles and bad back.
There would be no research on the vaccine nor research on the outcome after years after having it.
Don’t get me wrong this virus is nasty, but I’ve lasted 39 years no serious issues, I’ll be turning it down.

I would let my partner get it and even tho short term if shewas allright a couple of months later i would probably get it.

Seriously i don't know. Guess i would way up the pros and cons. Fact quite a few healthy people are getting this virus bad would maybe make me consider getting the jab if i could. I can handle bad colds headaches coughs etc. but this unable to breath shit sort of freaks you out.

 

[EkJR]

You telling me the parts pointed out here are covered with sauce, and the darker colors are not caused by some form of heating of the dough?
Why do you put sauce on the rim of the pizza.
I dont know Playford.
Im starting to think this is a fake pizza.
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False flag stuffed crust

 

[mack341]

The numbers coming out are completely inaccurate. They should not even be posted because of how inaccurate they are.

I agree the figure for the number who have had the virus is likely to be inaccurate because of the lack of testing going on in many countries like the uk.

But do you think the number given for people in canada dying linked to the virus is accurate?

Can you say whether patients in your hospital are being given any type of active medicine? [ more than everyday things like paracetamol ]

 

[Playford7]

False flag stuffed crust

Reported for flaming my food.

 

[cncas2123]

Just wondering what’s people’s thoughts..
If we get a so called vaccine for this and it’s to be administered via a jab like the flu jab would you want to have it?..
I’m of the thoughts I’d decline it.
Reason being I’m in perfect health apart from torn muscles and bad back.
There would be no research on the vaccine nor research on the outcome after years after having it.
Don’t get me wrong this virus is nasty, but I’ve lasted 39 years no serious issues, I’ll be turning it down.

I would take the vaccine, but its at least 6 - 9 months away. Before the vaccine comes on line it will have to go through all the testing stages, and even if it is fast tracked it is a minimum of 6 months away and thats dependent on it passing every stage of testing and trials with no issues.

 

[ternur]

Sometimes I wonder if we all have this layer of pure evil lying dormant beneath the skin, just waiting to erupt in circumstances like this, no matter how much we like to think of ourselves as civilised.

Tragic yet so predictable. The next chain in human evolution's going tickety-boo

Superb song

When times are tough people show their true colors. We see the best and worst of humanity.

People are fucking stupid and most never learn. Some are able to see the forest for the trees. Some are not.

 

[Jono777]

Another couple of unsure / reassure Q's from me anyone please...?

1) How long can it survive on none organic surfaces, EG: Door handles, tins on shelves, bottles in fridges etc.

2) Could anyone potentially unknowingly touch an infected surface, wash their hands without touching anything including own face and "get away with it"

cheers

 

[cncas2123]

Another couple of unsure / reassure Q's from me anyone please...?

1) How long can it survive on none organic surfaces, EG: Door handles, tins on shelves, bottles in fridges etc.

2) Could anyone potentially unknowingly touch an infected surface, wash their hands without touching anything including own face and "get away with it"

cheers

General consensus is that it can last 48 - 72 hours on any surface, though its potency weakens the longer that its on the surface.
We most likely touch it several times throughout the day and thats the reason the advice is to wash hands regularly is this will kill the virus it it is on your hands. Wash for 20 - 40 seconds with soap and water and this will do the trick, and if you cant wash your hands a 70% alcohol hand gel/ wipe will kill it.

 

[Playford7]

There we go. The chilli’s smelled amazing whilst cooking away.
Also have a garlic and tomato and chilli dip out of sight.
Pretty basic for a chef of my standards, that said however taking the daughter to the shop tomorrow, she will pile the trolley with a variety of goods.
Maybe seafood tomorrow.
Hope your all well.
Also this fucking shit uk Dr Pepper is a disgrace, will be ordering the cane sugar lot from Mexico again.
Can’t tolerate low sugar nonsense.

 

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[lockinlove]

I agree the figure for the number who have had the virus is likely to be inaccurate because of the lack of testing going on in many countries like the uk.

But do you think the number given for people in canada dying linked to the virus is accurate?

Can you say whether patients in your hospital are being given any type of active medicine? [ more than everyday things like paracetamol ]

Its not accurate. Numbers are delayed that are to be reported. The system is overwhelmed data is well off. Files sit there for days untouched, unsent. What you see in the media is a very wide ballpark number and very far off from accurate.

People in our hospital are being given supportive care. Feeding tubes, oxygen, breathing tubes. Any medicine being given is to usually organ failure or that type of thing. So if someones kidneys are giving out they will receive medication for that. Aside from that, its really just acetaminophen.

Some places are doing trials with various medicines such as chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine. Another one being tested is remdesivir as that was used during MERS and SARS which basically help stop the spread of the virus inside of the body. We were told this was used in an american patient who was dangerously close to death but ended up surviving.

We were also told some hospitals in China were giving patients doses of vitamin c via IV. We have read reports about prednisolone too.

The problem is right now we are in the testing and gathering data phase. Which means some things may be working but we dont know about it until there is a large enough sample size to support it and get it out there.

Most of these cases above are what doctors are doing when there is nothing left to do and the patient then becomes a test subject for the rest of us. Some countries are limited on what they can do because of laws in place.

Right now there is a global trial taking place named solidarity. Our term is called CATCO .Where a handful of countries are doing test trials on hospitalized patients to see what works and what can be ruled out. I would have to check the list of countries involved but I know the USA, China and Italy are not part of this. Rest assured though that almost every country in the world have their labs working around the clock. Nobody is sitting around.



I can link you to the info we were given last week as part of out report from the BCCDC that is made public and you can read trials for yourself

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[lockinlove]

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[ShadyFei]

Just wondering what’s people’s thoughts..
If we get a so called vaccine for this and it’s to be administered via a jab like the flu jab would you want to have it?..

In a cold minute. It isn’t me I’m worried about, it’s all the people who cannot be vaccinated because they are too young or immunocompromised - people undergoing cancer treatments, with severe allergies like my mother, my sister’s newborn baby, etc.

If I don’t get vaccinated and then spread the disease to someone like that, I couldn’t live with myself.

 

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[Slottery]

Got negative even this test, nothing positive in this life. Having flu and being in risk group due to my asthma so doctor sent to hospital for testing, now when know that only having little flu it's good to fortress home and only use delivery services or maybe walk 100m to next shop when need something, it's opening very early and having alarm around 6am, can shop there usually alone.

 

[mack341]

Its not accurate. Numbers are delayed that are to be reported. The system is overwhelmed data is well off. Files sit there for days untouched, unsent. What you see in the media is a very wide ballpark number and very far off from accurate.

People in our hospital are being given supportive care. Feeding tubes, oxygen, breathing tubes. Any medicine being given is to usually organ failure or that type of thing. So if someones kidneys are giving out they will receive medication for that. Aside from that, its really just acetaminophen.

Some places are doing trials with various medicines such as chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine. Another one being tested is remdesivir as that was used during MERS and SARS which basically help stop the spread of the virus inside of the body. We were told this was used in an american patient who was dangerously close to death but ended up surviving.

We were also told some hospitals in China were giving patients doses of vitamin c via IV. We have read reports about prednisolone too.

The problem is right now we are in the testing and gathering data phase. Which means some things may be working but we dont know about it until there is a large enough sample size to support it and get it out there.

Most of these cases above are what doctors are doing when there is nothing left to do and the patient then becomes a test subject for the rest of us. Some countries are limited on what they can do because of laws in place.

Right now there is a global trial taking place named solidarity. Our term is called CATCO .Where a handful of countries are doing test trials on hospitalized patients to see what works and what can be ruled out. I would have to check the list of countries involved but I know the USA, China and Italy are not part of this. Rest assured though that almost every country in the world have their labs working around the clock. Nobody is sitting around.



I can link you to the info we were given last week as part of out report from the BCCDC that is made public and you can read trials for yourself

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Thanks Lockinlove for such an in-depth reply, you can't beat firsthand information at a time like this, I understand now how both the death rate figure and confirmed cases are inaccurate.

I hope you are feeling better today yourself and have not developed more of the symptoms... it must be terribly stressful to be constantly near this awful virus when you know how contagious it is.

 

[sufferinsilence]

Just wondering what’s people’s thoughts..
If we get a so called vaccine for this and it’s to be administered via a jab like the flu jab would you want to have it?..
I’m of the thoughts I’d decline it.
Reason being I’m in perfect health apart from torn muscles and bad back.
There would be no research on the vaccine nor research on the outcome after years after having it.
Don’t get me wrong this virus is nasty, but I’ve lasted 39 years no serious issues, I’ll be turning it down.

Yes, I would but realistically speaking they're going to vaccinate the healthcare workers, elderly and other at risk groups first before the general public will be able to get it. So if you're not one of them don't hope to be included in the first round.

 

[ShadyFei]

Its not accurate. Numbers are delayed that are to be reported. The system is overwhelmed data is well off. Files sit there for days untouched, unsent. What you see in the media is a very wide ballpark number and very far off from accurate.

People in our hospital are being given supportive care. Feeding tubes, oxygen, breathing tubes. Any medicine being given is to usually organ failure or that type of thing. So if someones kidneys are giving out they will receive medication for that. Aside from that, its really just acetaminophen.

Some places are doing trials with various medicines such as chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine. Another one being tested is remdesivir as that was used during MERS and SARS which basically help stop the spread of the virus inside of the body. We were told this was used in an american patient who was dangerously close to death but ended up surviving.

We were also told some hospitals in China were giving patients doses of vitamin c via IV. We have read reports about prednisolone too.

The problem is right now we are in the testing and gathering data phase. Which means some things may be working but we dont know about it until there is a large enough sample size to support it and get it out there.

Most of these cases above are what doctors are doing when there is nothing left to do and the patient then becomes a test subject for the rest of us. Some countries are limited on what they can do because of laws in place.

Right now there is a global trial taking place named solidarity. Our term is called CATCO .Where a handful of countries are doing test trials on hospitalized patients to see what works and what can be ruled out. I would have to check the list of countries involved but I know the USA, China and Italy are not part of this. Rest assured though that almost every country in the world have their labs working around the clock. Nobody is sitting around.



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First of all thanks for keeping us all updated. I always look forward to reading your posts.

I read that much-publicized French study, and I agree that a lot more data is needed. It was a small sample size of 42. 16 patients received no treatment, 14 patients received HCQ only and 6 patients received HCQ (200 mg/day) + Azithromyn. Also, 6 patients started on HCQ were excluded because they moved to ICU (i.e. their condition worsened), 1 died, 2 stopped HCQ (1 for side effect). So these 6 are in fact unsuccessful outcomes but were not included in their analysis.

The treatment was for 10 days and outcome was based on on viral load, not clinical presentation. Most of the controls detected viral load or the PCR was not done. So only 4 of the 16 controls had viral load properly assayed. I believe only one patient in their control group was over age 60 - also skews results.

So in short, their data holds some promise but their methodology had gaping flaws. A proper, randomized clinical trial is needed before anyone can conclude hydroxychloroquine is a breakthrough treatment.

 

[mack341]

The minute I read this I knew Alex Jones or David Icke would be in the posters mindset. Dangerous crackpots who think this is a bio weapon designed to get rid of Trump in the US. Absolutely dangerous people.

Vitamin C is the answer! Amazing that it cant even stop the common cold yet it can stop...and I'll quote Alex Jones "Vitamin C and Zinc have been proven to stop viruses like Ebola, SARs and Coronavirus"...ok then...

As far as I can remember Mr Icke is not a fan of Donald, Alex Jones is a bit of a disinfo merchant and obsessed with Trump [ he liked him a lot ] the last time I heard his show on youtube [before he was banned].

Vitamin C and colds from harvard's health site:

The impact on colds

The most convincing evidence to date comes from a 2013 review of 29 randomized trials with more than 11,000 participants. Researchers found that among extremely active people—such as marathon runners, skiers, and Army troops doing heavy exercise in subarctic conditions—taking at least 200 mg of vitamin C every day appeared to cut the risk of getting a cold in half. But for the general population, taking daily vitamin C did not reduce the risk of getting a cold.

More encouraging: taking at least 200 mg of vitamin C per day did appear to reduce the duration of cold symptoms by an average of 8% in adults and 14% in children, which translated to about one less day of illness. "That could be important for some people, since the common cold causes 23 million lost days of work each year," says Dr. Bistrian.

....What about claims that massive doses of vitamin C can help prevent a cold? Some studies have suggested there may be a benefit, but they required doses of 8,000 mg per day.

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So it's not conclusive either way, I doubt Vit C would prevent a cold if you're exposed to a lot of the virus, but our body is fighting off various bugs, fungi, bacteria all day long... what we do know is vitamin C is essential to health, and from recent personal experience I know a 2g dose kicked a bug into touch where I was experiencing the early symptoms of a sore throat and headache. [this was about Nov last year so not coronavirus related]

Studies have conclusively proven Vit D can protect [not prevent ] against catching air based viruses and reduce the severity of illness if you do happen to get one.

Zinc:

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New research suggests that zinc helps control infections by gently tapping the brakes on the immune response in a way that prevents out-of-control inflammation that can be damaging and even deadly.

Scientists determined in human cell culture and animal studies that a protein lures zinc into key cells that are first-responders against infection. The zinc then interacts with a process that is vital to the fight against infection and by doing so helps balance the immune response.

This study revealed for the first time that zinc homes in on this pathway and helps shut it down, effectively ensuring that the immune response does not spiral out of control. The team led by Ohio State University researchers also found that if there is not enough zinc available at the time of infection, the consequences include excessive inflammation.

In this research, zinc's activity was studied in the context of sepsis, a devastating systemic response to infection that is a common cause of death in intensive-care unit patients. But scientists say these findings might also help explain why taking zinc tablets at the start of a common cold appears to help stem the effects of the illness.

 

[lockinlove]

Thanks Lockinlove for such an in-depth reply, you can't beat firsthand information at a time like this, I understand now how both the death rate figure and confirmed cases are inaccurate.

I hope you are feeling better today yourself and have not developed more of the symptoms... it must be terribly stressful to be constantly near this awful virus when you know how contagious it is.

You are welcome. Im stuck at home til tomorrow anyways so Im like the rest of you all. Bored with not much to do. But I am totally ok with that, its the least stressed I have been in weeks. But this feels like the calm before the storm for me. Back into the fire tomorrow my symptoms are mostly gone. I had one bad day, the next day I was average and today almost better. 1000mg of vitamin c a day and cold fx which is ginseng root extract



If you guys want to try things I suggest zinc and vitamin C. Ginger root and ginseng. Cant harm you and some studies have found these types of things to help. Some studies say anything over 200-300mg of vitamin c you just pee right out, well not sure about that it could be true...but we are given those 1000mg emergency vitamin C packs to take.

I personally swear by high doses of vitamin C and ginseng root though. They have always seemed to help me get rid of sicknesses much faster. Of course they arent a cure for covid-19 but they may boost the immune. Up to you all of course! And this is in addition to you staying inside and washing your hands and clothes!

Some positive news: I just got sent the results from our front line medical staff being tested. 161 is negative.. 17 pending 1 positive. ICU has 8 positive patients 2 pending and 1 confirmed on another floor.

Obviously that can change daily but so far not so bad. And really good compared to many other hospitals in the world so I will take it.

 

[ShadyFei]

. . . taking at least 200 mg of vitamin C per day did appear to reduce the duration of cold symptoms by an average of 8% in adults and 14% in children, which translated to about one less day of illness.

....What about claims that massive doses of vitamin C can help prevent a cold? Some studies have suggested there may be a benefit, but they required doses of 8,000 mg per day.

Thanks for posting this info. I agree, there is nothing wrong with taking 200 mg of Vitamin C per day. Fill yer boots, I say. But as you implied, 8000 mg a day could cause serious health problems.

and from recent personal experience I know a 2g dose kicked a bug into touch where I was experiencing the early symptoms of a sore throat and headache. [this was about Nov last year so not coronavirus related]

Question: how do you know you wouldn’t have kicked the sore throat and headache anyways, without the 2g of Vitamin C?

 

[geordiecolin]

You are welcome. Im stuck at home til tomorrow anyways so Im like the rest of you all. Bored with not much to do. But I am totally ok with that, its the least stressed I have been in weeks. But this feels like the calm before the storm for me. Back into the fire tomorrow my symptoms are mostly gone. I had one bad day, the next day I was average and today almost better. 1000mg of vitamin c a day and cold fx which is ginseng root extract



If you guys want to try things I suggest zinc and vitamin C. Ginger root and ginseng. Cant harm you and some studies have found these types of things to help. Some studies say anything over 200-300mg of vitamin c you just pee right out, well not sure about that it could be true...but we are given those 1000mg emergency vitamin C packs to take.

I personally swear by high doses of vitamin C and ginseng root though. They have always seemed to help me get rid of sicknesses much faster. Of course they arent a cure for covid-19 but they may boost the immune. Up to you all of course! And this is in addition to you staying inside and washing your hands and clothes!

Some positive news: I just got sent the results from our front line medical staff being tested. 161 is negative.. 17 pending 1 positive. ICU has 8 positive patients 2 pending and 1 confirmed on another floor.

Obviously that can change daily but so far not so bad. And really good compared to many other hospitals in the world so I will take it.

I advocated the benefits of Vit C a while ago and as recently as today it was mocked. As far as I understand for max absorbtion and effect it is best to take Vic C in 3 doses in as many hours apart as possible. In that way you lose very little of the benefits and your also less likely to get the runs

 

[nutnut]

What i find odd is companies are putting people on 80% paid leave. I thought rule was government cover 80 and company pays the other 20. But apparrently they only paying the 80 the government covering.

I guess better than no job just seems sneaky.

 

[mack341]

Thanks for posting this info. I agree, there is nothing wrong with taking 200 mg of Vitamin C per day. Fill yer boots, I say. But as you implied, 8000 mg a day could cause serious health problems.



Question: how do you know you wouldn’t have kicked the sore throat and headache anyways, without the massive 2g of Vitamin C?

Because it had already got to the stage of inflammation in my throat and lurgy headche feeling, I don't think I would have fought it off, some sort of intervention or boost was required to help my system fight it off.

It may have even been vit c and 15mg zinq dispersibles, and you can only report your symptoms, that's how some of these human trials are done.

I agree too with Lockinlove about ginseng, I'd forgotten about that, a very interesting plant root, the ussr scientists studied it a lot, it's an adaptogen and helps your body deal with stress, which is what a virus or infection does to the body, put it under great stress and cause tiredness/weakness.

I've got some somewhere I'll fish it out tonight, these are afterall relatively low cost things you can take that might help your body fight off an infection, and unlikely to cause any harm.

 

[geordiecolin]

What i find odd is companies are putting people on 80% paid leave. I thought rule was government cover 80 and company pays the other 20. But apparrently they only paying the 80 the government covering.

I guess better than no job just seems sneaky.

I can understand small to medium sized buisnesses not paying the other 20% but it really pisses me off seeing the likes of Richard Branson with all his billions laying his staff off with no pay then asking the government to bail Virgin Atlantic out to the tune of 100's of millions. He has £4 billion in the bank! I would let Virgin go bankrupt because someone else will take over his rolling stock and re-employ his workers

 

[Jasminebed]

Apologies for not reading all the recent posts before responding. But I cannot let @Playford have all the glory for Food in the Time of Corona.

Rare Duck Breast with a fig

sauce, mashed potatoes, and frozen brussel sprouts dressed with homemade chive blossom vinegar.

 

[Kroffe]

Apologies for not reading all the recent posts before responding. But I cannot let @Playford have all the glory for Food in the Time of Corona.

Rare Duck Breast with a figView attachment 126908
sauce, mashed potatoes, and frozen brussel sprouts dressed with homemade chive blossom vinegar.

Been a long time since i ate duck.
Its very tasty, invite me over next time please and thank you!

I usually heat up brussel sprouts before eating, but we all do things differently.

 

[pinnit2014]

What i find odd is companies are putting people on 80% paid leave. I thought rule was government cover 80 and company pays the other 20. But apparrently they only paying the 80 the government covering.

I guess better than no job just seems sneaky.

Mrs P's place is doing it atm but the way they're going about it is they'll pay the employee his normal salary and the just claim the 80% back.

Because it's based on gross, if they don't do it this way but simply pay you just the 80%, you'll actually get less than the 80% (net pay wise)

 

[interlog]

What i find odd is companies are putting people on 80% paid leave. I thought rule was government cover 80 and company pays the other 20. But apparrently they only paying the 80 the government covering.

I guess better than no job just seems sneaky.

The furlough scheme is an alternative to being made redundant / lose your job.

Most of these Companies have no revenue coming in because they had to close their doors (think cinemas, pubs, restaurants).

Even paying employees 20% of their wages could potentially make them go bust

 

[interlog]

I can understand small to medium sized buisnesses not paying the other 20% but it really pisses me off seeing the likes of Richard Branson with all his billions laying his staff off with no pay then asking the government to bail Virgin Atlantic out to the tune of 100's of millions. He has £4 billion in the bank! I would let Virgin go bankrupt because someone else will take over his rolling stock and re-employ his workers

Surely the same can be said for British Airways that, I believe, is owned by a Spanish Company?

As to Richard Branson, he pumped some 250 million into Virgin Atlantic from his own money.

Did he have to do that? I am not sure the set up of Virgin Atlantic but I would hazard a guess that the wealth of the person running the Company sits separately from the financials of the Company just as the thousands of others Companies in the UK are ran.

 

[geordiecolin]

Surely the same can be said for British Airways that, I believe, is owned by a Spanish Company?

As to Richard Branson, he pumped some 250 million into Virgin Atlantic from his own money.

Did he have to do that? I am not sure the set up of Virgin Atlantic but I would hazard a guess that the wealth of the person running the Company sits separately from the financials of the Company just as the thousands of others Companies in the UK are ran.

Living in a tax haven and paying no tax while at the same time laying off his staff without wages for however long it takes sticks in my craw. As does Branson suing our NHS which he has also profiteered from.

 

[Borgie]

This is from someone my friend knows

My husband is a key worker and drives a truck all day long, all over the country. He is fit and strong and healthy and is never sick.

Last weekend his bones ached and he couldn’t get warm or shake off the chills. He started to cough a little. He started to feel a little better over the weekend and went to work as normal on Monday thinking it was a cold.
After work he complained of aching bones and his back was super sensitive and painful to the touch. He still had a cough , but didn’t think of it as persistent. He had an early night to try and shake it off.
By Tuesday night he still felt ‘rough’. He looked pale and was still coughing but didn’t seem to have a temperature and still thought it was just a bad cold. His chest was tight but he thought that was down to the coughing.

Wednesday morning at 5:45am I found him slumped over the sofa dressed for work. He couldn’t breath and he had a temperature. I gave him paracetamol and started to use my inhaler on him.

The ambulance crew assessed him, hooked him up to oxygen and took him to hospital where he rapidly deteriorated. He was diagnosed with Corona Virus. The X-rays showed the disease had gripped his lungs, his temperature was sky high, he couldn’t respond properly, his white blood count was low, and as predicted he tested positive for covid-19.

He fought for his life for five days and has never been so ill or felt so close to death. He was scared and on his own. The ward and the whole hospital was on lock down, contact and communication with the medical staff and doctors was limited and frightening as they struggled with him day and night.

For five days he was under the critical care team hooked up to oxygen and all sorts of drips and machines to support him because his body was trying to shut down.

On the third day the medical team prepared us for the worst but amazingly on the fourth day he started to show signs of improvement. By the fifth day he was able to breathe independently of the machines and was weaned off the drips. He was released from hospital with medication and remains very poorly, weak and exhausted. He is now at home recovering in isolation.

The nurses and doctors are amazing, they didn’t just look after him and save his life, they genuinely cared about him and with no one by his side treated him as if he was a member of their own family. The hospital staff lined the ward and applauded him out as he left, THEY saved his life and THEY applauded him! They told him how very lucky he is to be alive and we are all eternally grateful to them and our NHS.

Let’s not forget here Mick is also a key worker and put himself at risk for others as so many other carers, key workers and front line staff are doing right now. God bless you all.

I am also likely to have contracted the corona virus but have mild symptoms and am very fortunate. I am not a key worker and had been working from home. My 15 year old son isn’t showing symptoms but again could have it, and is a risk as a carrier. We are self isolating for 14 days.

Mick wants everyone to know that this is real and very serious and to help people realise the impact not just on him but on the hospital, all its staff, and the whole family.

Please be bored, be restless, be resentful of being told what to do but please just do it - Stay home and stay safe. If you have to go out KEEP YOUR DISTANCE be it walking, shopping or even in the same house! Keep cleaning, keep your hands away from your mouth. Don’t take silly chances and don’t think for one minute it can’t reach you or your loved ones.

Please share this story for awareness.

All three of us in our house had very different outcomes and are lucky, we hope yours is a positive outcome too.

Stay safe xx

 

[shadow123]

This is from someone my friend knows

My husband is a key worker and drives a truck all day long, all over the country. He is fit and strong and healthy and is never sick.

Last weekend his bones ached and he couldn’t get warm or shake off the chills. He started to cough a little. He started to feel a little better over the weekend and went to work as normal on Monday thinking it was a cold.
After work he complained of aching bones and his back was super sensitive and painful to the touch. He still had a cough , but didn’t think of it as persistent. He had an early night to try and shake it off.
By Tuesday night he still felt ‘rough’. He looked pale and was still coughing but didn’t seem to have a temperature and still thought it was just a bad cold. His chest was tight but he thought that was down to the coughing.

Wednesday morning at 5:45am I found him slumped over the sofa dressed for work. He couldn’t breath and he had a temperature. I gave him paracetamol and started to use my inhaler on him.

The ambulance crew assessed him, hooked him up to oxygen and took him to hospital where he rapidly deteriorated. He was diagnosed with Corona Virus. The X-rays showed the disease had gripped his lungs, his temperature was sky high, he couldn’t respond properly, his white blood count was low, and as predicted he tested positive for covid-19.

He fought for his life for five days and has never been so ill or felt so close to death. He was scared and on his own. The ward and the whole hospital was on lock down, contact and communication with the medical staff and doctors was limited and frightening as they struggled with him day and night.

For five days he was under the critical care team hooked up to oxygen and all sorts of drips and machines to support him because his body was trying to shut down.

On the third day the medical team prepared us for the worst but amazingly on the fourth day he started to show signs of improvement. By the fifth day he was able to breathe independently of the machines and was weaned off the drips. He was released from hospital with medication and remains very poorly, weak and exhausted. He is now at home recovering in isolation.

The nurses and doctors are amazing, they didn’t just look after him and save his life, they genuinely cared about him and with no one by his side treated him as if he was a member of their own family. The hospital staff lined the ward and applauded him out as he left, THEY saved his life and THEY applauded him! They told him how very lucky he is to be alive and we are all eternally grateful to them and our NHS.

Let’s not forget here Mick is also a key worker and put himself at risk for others as so many other carers, key workers and front line staff are doing right now. God bless you all.

I am also likely to have contracted the corona virus but have mild symptoms and am very fortunate. I am not a key worker and had been working from home. My 15 year old son isn’t showing symptoms but again could have it, and is a risk as a carrier. We are self isolating for 14 days.

Mick wants everyone to know that this is real and very serious and to help people realise the impact not just on him but on the hospital, all its staff, and the whole family.

Please be bored, be restless, be resentful of being told what to do but please just do it - Stay home and stay safe. If you have to go out KEEP YOUR DISTANCE be it walking, shopping or even in the same house! Keep cleaning, keep your hands away from your mouth. Don’t take silly chances and don’t think for one minute it can’t reach you or your loved ones.

Please share this story for awareness.

All three of us in our house had very different outcomes and are lucky, we hope yours is a positive outcome too.

Stay safe ❤ xx

Good he managed to get through it, horrible as it was, at least he cant catch it again or give it anyone else.
Sounds like its not too bad for a few days then attacks with a vengance.

 

[curremon]

My tinfoil hat is so tight over my head that it hurts... IM 100% sure casinos are protecting their investors etc and games are running insanely low rtp at the moment... past month ive seen so fucking ridicilous shit session after session and allomost every casino ive played during last 30 days my rtp is under 40%... IM DONE!

 

[Borgie]

Good he managed to get through it, horrible as it was, at least he cant catch it again or give it anyone else.
Sounds like its not too bad for a few days then attacks with a vengance.

I think that is the worrying thing. That it comes in waves people think they are getting better and then it strikes with a vengeance

 

[ShadyFei]

Good he managed to get through it, horrible as it was, at least he cant catch it again or give it anyone else.
Sounds like its not too bad for a few days then attacks with a vengance.

When I started reading the story, I thought it was going to go bad. Glad he pulled through.

Ending up in the ICU is a big deal and being on a ventilator puts him at risk for having permanent lung damage and life-long respiratory issues. Some say Covid-19 itself may have long-term effects for those who became seriously ill. Time will tell.

 

[Borgie]

When I started reading the story, I thought it was going to go bad. Glad he pulled through.

Ending up in the ICU is a big deal and being on a ventilator puts him at risk for having permanent lung damage and life-long respiratory issues. Some say Covid-19 itself may have long-term effects for those who became seriously ill. Time will tell.

I think what I took from this apart from being very happy he pulled through was the nursing staff and doctors who not only provided the best medical care they looked after him emotionally too as his family not allowed to visit. Plus the reminder that we really do need to do as we are asked right now . It's an inconvenience but the alternative is much worse.

 

[shadow123]

Think we badly need to use some of the talent of successful people in industry to get things back on track
with the NHS, seems to be run by hoards of managers using so called experts who cant agree with each
other and rely on pretty pictures of what might or might not happen.
In WW2 we were floundering until captains of industry were brought in and achieved miracles with the production of arnaments.
I know it takes time to get things right (although we wasted weeks hoping things would be ok) but
the government should be looking to appoint a Supremo to overlook the whole thing and use the talents
that are out there , esp in logistics
Sorry if this is a bit rambling, put it down to self isolation.

 

[shadow123]

Eddie Large half of the comedy duo Little and Large had died of the virus, caught it in hospital while being
treated for heart problems.

 

[pinnit2014]

Friend down in London's just got over it - rock climber, fit as a proverbial fiddle and was laid out for 11 days - in his own words 'half way through it i thought i was for dying' - said his temperature never went below 40 for the entire time but was the chest pains. His dad had it as well (they think), but no chest pains; so, affected the 30 odd year healthy guy with no medical issues to the point he was praying for the first time in his life and his old man had a relatively unscathed encounter with it.