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Corona virus - Covid 19 discussion

dionysus said:
y'all can add me to the 'wish id gotten it cut before there were no hairdressers' list

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Mine is down to my waist now, about time I had it cut as it feels like a fur coat in the Summer but looks like I am stuck with it - unless I take the scissors to it myself :eek2:
 
dionysus said:
y'all can add me to the 'wish id gotten it cut before there were no hairdressers' list

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Just make a horse tail out of it, keeps it in check.
Pony tails are for little girls, horse tails are for cool and modern men.
 
Kroffe said:
Just make a horse tail out of it, keeps it in check.
Pony tails are for little girls, horse tails are for cool and modern men.
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stil cold here so i just wear a toque :P
 
i had to google; what other countries call them..beanies?

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Playford7 said:
I actually model those. As the fur babies thread will testify, I’m a fine looking specimen.
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t's as common as socks (not sox) here, ya kinda just always own 1 (or 5) and wear it all yr cept for summer
 
dionysus said:
i had to google; what other countries call them..beanies?

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Well i call something of mine for beanies, thats for sure.

Hey, so its been i while since i had a drink now, and i was kind of wondering, was it always like this and i have just forgot about it, or is this some modern form of drinking?


 
Kroffe said:
Well i call something of mine for beanies, thats for sure.

Hey, so its been i while since i had a drink now, and i was kind of wondering, was it always like this and i have just forgot about it, or is this some modern form of drinking?


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lol, dunno, last house birthday party I did here (March) we spent like 500 to trick the house out to a black ight hot tub party, beer pong and hurt something awful come a.m. :P
 
ternur said:
Not sure if someone posted this, but people bitchin' about the isolation should be glad their are not in the PH during all of this :eek2:

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theyre finally..just..taking it seriously here
waiting outdoors 6 ft apart to get into stores, max 50 shopping inside, 2 for smaller stores
the pet store had to wait outside and point and explain

not all places though, some still just jam on in
 
ternur said:
Don't worry about it Ben. Hair is overrated. Only good for headbanging (and only when under 20). Otherwise it's just an obstacle.
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ya...but do you REALLY lose it..or does it just fill your nose, ears, shoulders and back and ass-crack :P
 
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Trump-backed anti-malaria drug hydroxychloroquine is the most effective coronavirus treatment currently available, finds international poll of 6,000 doctors

[Don't know why daily mail have to add trump to every headline possible]

  • Majority of 6,200 doctors from 30 nations said malaria drug was most effective
  • Doctors across Europe, the US and China have been given licence to prescribe
  • But the UK is dragging its feet until clinical trials show it is safe and effective
  • World Health Organization claims that no medicine can prevent or cure virus
With a spiralling crisis and no cure in sight, doctors in Europe, the US and China have been given licence to prescribe the promising drug to COVID-19 patients.

But the UK has prevented clinicians from dishing out hydroxychloroquine - a form of chloroquine - until clinical trials are completed.

Just 13 per cent of UK clinicians surveyed said they had prescribed chloroquine to coronavirus patients, presumably through private clinics. [this is my feeling that people like prince charles, bojo have had the option of taking it, but not the average citizen using the govt controlled nhs]

They are also prescribed on the NHS to treat rheumatoid arthritis and lupus and have been used since the 1940s.

They work against those conditions by dampening the body's immune response when it overreacts and could be beneficial for coronavirus patients in the same way.


A Department of Health and Social Care spokesperson said: 'Clinical trials are already underway in the UK to assess whether existing medicines such as hydroxychloroquine are suitable for treating COVID-19.

'Until we have clear, definitive evidence these treatments are safe and effective, they should only be used within a clinical trial.

'People should continue to follow NHS advice and stay at home, protect the NHS and save lives.'

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This seems very unfair to me, why shouldn't adults and their doctors have at least the option when doctors elsewhere in other countries are seeing results using it.

The science makes sense even to a non scientific person like myself, that this virus causes a massive inflammatory response in some people and this drug dampens down the immune system/reduces inflammation.

edit: and if you add in that antibiotic azithromycin, which the highly respected french professor advised, you cover the bacteria/pneumonia infection angle too?
 
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Trump-backed anti-malaria drug hydroxychloroquine is the most effective coronavirus treatment currently available, finds international poll of 6,000 doctors

[Don't know why daily mail have to add trump to every headline possible]

  • Majority of 6,200 doctors from 30 nations said malaria drug was most effective
  • Doctors across Europe, the US and China have been given licence to prescribe
  • But the UK is dragging its feet until clinical trials show it is safe and effective
  • World Health Organization claims that no medicine can prevent or cure virus
With a spiralling crisis and no cure in sight, doctors in Europe, the US and China have been given licence to prescribe the promising drug to COVID-19 patients.

But the UK has prevented clinicians from dishing out hydroxychloroquine - a form of chloroquine - until clinical trials are completed.

Just 13 per cent of UK clinicians surveyed said they had prescribed chloroquine to coronavirus patients, presumably through private clinics. [this is my feeling that people like prince charles, bojo have had the option of taking it, but not the average citizen using the govt controlled nhs]

They are also prescribed on the NHS to treat rheumatoid arthritis and lupus and have been used since the 1940s.

They work against those conditions by dampening the body's immune response when it overreacts and could be beneficial for coronavirus patients in the same way.


A Department of Health and Social Care spokesperson said: 'Clinical trials are already underway in the UK to assess whether existing medicines such as hydroxychloroquine are suitable for treating COVID-19.

'Until we have clear, definitive evidence these treatments are safe and effective, they should only be used within a clinical trial.

'People should continue to follow NHS advice and stay at home, protect the NHS and save lives.'

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This seems very unfair to me, why shouldn't adults and their doctors have at least the option when doctors elsewhere in other countries are seeing results using it.

The science makes sense even to a non scientific person like myself, that this virus causes a massive inflammatory response in some people and this drug dampens down the immune system/reduces inflammation.
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They need to do the testing and the trials to make sure that the dosage is right and that its not going to cause other serious side effects. Lots of anti-inflammatory drug do have side effects that can cause the patient more harm if he has underlying conditions, for example it is known that Ibuprofen which is an anti-inflammatory can cause issues in patients with heart conditions.
In short there would be no point in giving someone with Coronavirus a drug that might make them worse.
 
cncas2123 said:
They need to do the testing and the trials to make sure that the dosage is right and that its not going to cause other serious side effects. Lots of anti-inflammatory drug do have side effects that can cause the patient more harm if he has underlying conditions, for example it is known that Ibuprofen which is an anti-inflammatory can cause issues in patients with heart conditions.
In short there would be no point in giving someone with Coronavirus a drug that might make them worse.
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How are you going to do a 1-2000 patient trial then without taking this exact same risk?
 
mack341 said:
How are you going to do a 1-2000 patient trial then without taking this exact same risk?
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The patients on the trial when it gets to that stage will all be very mild sufferers and they wont have other conditions I would presume. I know that on most drug trials they will advertise for a range of people, but they will all have no underlying conditions.
They will place the volunteers in 4 groups, 3 which will receive the drug but in different doses and one group will receive a placebo. All groups will be monitored and all side effects will be noted and this will be done by constantly monitoring vitals so that any change in heart rhythm and blood pressure is picked up right away.
This is why the testing takes so long generally, they have to be ultra careful before they take any treatment to market, even if the drug is used for another condition already.
 
Evening all.
this is just a oven ready assortment of Chinese food I got from m and s, not overly special albeit most tasty.
The prawn toasts alone are orgasmic, bit of crispy sweet and sour, some chow mein and special fried rice.
Apologies for the poor content, just not the willing to cook my usual high standard or cuisine that you are all used to haha.
finest regards and hope your all well.
Ben
 

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cncas2123 said:
The patients on the trial when it gets to that stage will all be very mild sufferers and they wont have other conditions I would presume. I know that on most drug trials they will advertise for a range of people, but they will all have no underlying conditions.
They will place the volunteers in 4 groups, 3 which will receive the drug but in different doses and one group will receive a placebo. All groups will be monitored and all side effects will be noted and this will be done by constantly monitoring vitals so that any change in heart rhythm and blood pressure is picked up right away.
This is why the testing takes so long generally, they have to be ultra careful before they take any treatment to market, even if the drug is used for another condition already.
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Have you heard of off-label use regarding medicines? There's no reason why somebody cannot consent to try this medicine and have their heart/kidney monitored etc..just as they would for a trial.

A totally new medicine with unknown side effects would need a more cautious approach than something which has been around for decades and millions of people are already taking it for malaria protection, rheumatoid arthritis and lupus etc...

For somebody who catches this virus time is of the essence they cannot wait months for double blind trials to be completed, that is my opinion and why I would like as an adult to have the option to try this medicine, used with success elsewhere, and not have that chance taken away from me without good reason.

Effectively we'd be doing a real-time trial, patients that didn't want to take the medicine would be in the control group.
 
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mack341 said:
Have you heard of off-label use regarding medicines? There's no reason why somebody cannot consent to try this medicine and have their heart/kidney monitored etc..just as they would for a trial.

A totally new medicine with unknown side effects would need a more cautious approach than something which has been around for decades and millions of people are already taking it for malaria protection, rheumatoid arthritis and lupus etc...

For somebody who catches this virus time is of the essence they cannot wait months for double blind trials
to be completed, that is my opinion and why I would like as an adult to have the option to try this medicine, used with success elsewhere, and not have that chance taken away from me without good reason.

Effectively we'd be doing a real-time trial, patients that didn't want to take the medicine would be in the control group.
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Yes I know about the unlicensed/ off label market and there are a lot of drugs used for conditions that they aren’t primarily licensed to treat.
But that’s different than using drugs that haven’t passed through the rigours of a trial to treat an illness in circumstances were the side effects aren’t known, or where they may cause more harm than good, bearing in mind 80% of the people who get this virus won’t have any serious symptoms.
 
I'm currently jumping in as a male nurse :) at a local hospital to aid the staff and people, cause the majority of the regular staff all got COVID-19. It's truly herrendous and the sight of these people struggling to breathe made me nauseous ( have been in the army and police force not for long luckily but I'm quite used to some situations).
I hope we all stay safe but this sight is craved in my mind and it's the reason I wrote this.

We'll know not to underestimate this virus. This sight is horrific ... reminds me of a war zone....

I think it will take a few years more than we expected and millions millions will die... I think every politician is at this moment lying (the lie probably about way more things) about the seriousness of the situation.
 
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Chloroquine is a potent inhibitor of SARS coronavirus infection and spread [this was the deadly virus that occured in 2002-3]

Published: 22 August 2005 in the Virology Journal

Conclusion
Chloroquine, a relatively safe, effective and cheap drug used for treating many human diseases including malaria, amoebiosis and human immunodeficiency virus is effective in inhibiting the infection and spread of SARS CoV in cell culture. The fact that the drug has significant inhibitory antiviral effect when the susceptible cells were treated either prior to or after infection suggests a possible prophylactic and therapeutic use.


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It's studies and research like the above that have probably given doctors such as the french professor Raoult the idea to try it on this new coronavirus, it was not a far fetched attempt plucked from nowhere.



I just hope the medicine isn't going to be ignored because Trump mentioned it as very promising, and the media can't bear for trump to be right about one single thing; also big pharma doesn't like it because as an old generic it will make them no money. Sadly I anticipate in the coming days there'll be bigger moves and arm twisting to discredit it.
 
cncas2123 said:
Yes I know about the unlicensed/ off label market and there are a lot of drugs used for conditions that they aren’t primarily licensed to treat.
But that’s different than using drugs that haven’t passed through the rigours of a trial to treat an illness in circumstances were the side effects aren’t known, or where they may cause more harm than good, bearing in mind 80% of the people who get this virus won’t have any serious symptoms.
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Those that don't have serious symptoms don't get those drugs. It's the people who are in very serious and critical condition, and are under 24/7 monitoring, that are given these drugs.

I think universities throughout the world are testing antiviral and other drugs on critically ill people right now as a last hope.
 
mack341 said:
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Chloroquine is a potent inhibitor of SARS coronavirus infection and spread [this was the deadly virus that occured in 2002-3]

Published: 22 August 2005 in the Virology Journal

Conclusion
Chloroquine, a relatively safe, effective and cheap drug used for treating many human diseases including malaria, amoebiosis and human immunodeficiency virus is effective in inhibiting the infection and spread of SARS CoV in cell culture. The fact that the drug has significant inhibitory antiviral effect when the susceptible cells were treated either prior to or after infection suggests a possible prophylactic and therapeutic use.


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It's studies and research like the above that have probably given doctors such as the french professor Raoult the idea to try it on this new coronavirus, it was not a far fetched attempt plucked from nowhere.



I just hope the medicine isn't going to be ignored because Trump mentioned it as very promising, and the media can't bear for trump to be right about one single thing; also big pharma doesn't like it because as an old generic it will make them no money. Sadly I anticipate in the coming days there'll be bigger moves and arm twisting to discredit it.
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Mack, the problem isn't that chloroquine isn't working. The problem is the serious side-effects and the fact that doctors in France have already said that they suspect some patients have died due to complications from the drug rather than COVID-19.

It's not because a drug seems very promising in a lab that it means it will work flawlessly on a human. In a lab you won't see the side-effects but in a clinical trial you will. Now if you do that clinical trial on patients that are already very weak from the disease those side-effects might hit so hard the cure kills them.
 
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Mack, the problem isn't that chloroquine isn't working. The problem is the serious side-effects and the fact that doctors in France have already said that they suspect some patients have died due to complications from the drug rather than COVID-19.

It's not because a drug seems very promising in a lab that it means it will work flawlessly on a human. In a lab you won't see the side-effects but in a clinical trial you will. Now if you do that clinical trial on patients that are already very weak from the disease those side-effects might hit so hard the cure kills them.
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Looking at Dr Stephen Smith's about me page, I would say he looks fairly eminent to me:

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All medicines have side effects, you would have to weigh up the fact there is no officially recommended medicine for this virus and it can kill people. We're in uncharted waters as to the best approach, but I still feel letting the patient and doctor discuss it and decide, with the information they have, is the fairest approach atm. Not the NHS/uk govt approach, 'no you can't try it'.

edit: the way some sections of the media and other doctors have started to attack and try to discredit professor didier raoult, does not surprise me one bit as a lot of money is at stake in the long term.
 
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mack341 said:
Looking at Dr Stephen Smith's about me page, I would say he looks fairly eminent to me:

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All medicines have side effects, you would have to weigh up the fact there is no officially recommended medicine for this virus and it can kill people. We're in uncharted waters as to the best approach, but I still feel letting the patient and doctor discuss it and decide, with the information they have, is the fairest approach atm. Not the NHS/uk govt approach, 'no you can't try it'.
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I haven't said anything about the Dr. and don't doubt his abilities :)

I'm also not saying they shouldn't try it, but both the patient and their families should get all the warnings and have a choice to participate in what is basically an ongoing trial. Everything doctors worldwide are doing is trial and error at this point. So I fully agree with you on that.

Just wanted to point out there's a big difference between something that's looking very promising in a lab and how it actually works out on a human being.
 
Yeah, i have made it to my right to download anything thats available on Netflix, since i pay for a subscription.
So if something i want to watch is available on netflix in some other country but not here, i download it.

Used to be that you could just use a vpn or a simple app for chrome to view things from other countries netflix, but they made sure that does not work anymore, cheap bastards.
 
sufferinsilence said:
I haven't said anything about the Dr. and don't doubt his abilities :)

I'm also not saying they shouldn't try it, but both the patient and their families should get all the warnings and have a choice to participate in what is basically an ongoing trial. Everything doctors worldwide are doing is trial and error at this point. So I fully agree with you on that.

Just wanted to point out there's a big difference between something that's looking very promising in a lab and how it actually works out on a human being.
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Sorry I know, I worded that wrong :oops: I just find it promising that another distinguished doctor with his reputation/career to protect was so confident about this medicine and willing to go on national television to tell people about it, I presume the smith infectious center must be a hospital, and he's seeing the results with his own eyes and also discussing it with the other doctors and staff.

In the NHS system unless you're taking part in a clinical trial you are not going to be offered this low cost medicine, I just think it's morally wrong for the govt to deny patients that choice in the uk.
 
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