Corona virus - Covid 19 discussion

[cncas2123]

I have been following the numbers for some time and they become more baffling by the day. Not that I am trying to laud Germany, the difference is just so striking and the question that comes up is why?

According to the latest chart, DE is 5th with confirmed cases, but way down on the list for deaths.

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@Harry_BKK is it down to the testing being down by Germany? In the States and in other countries is the testing more hospital based therefore people with mild symptoms arent being tested? The figures for Germany would seem to be more reflective of the actual death rate of the virus of around 1% were as other countries seem to show a mortality of between 5 and 10% of total cases identified.

 

[Mouche12]

Yeah, I don't understand it either. They are doing the highest number of tests and started testing earlier, but that still doesn't fully explain the low death toll. I can't help being impressed. Hospitals are well equipped and the government is on top of all things. Perhaps we'll know after some time what other factors played a role in this.

 

[Borgie]

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Germany still have a few weird ones though

 

[KasinoKing]

According to the latest chart, DE is 5th with confirmed cases, but way down on the list for deaths.

Widely reported it's because Germany are testing WAY more people than most other countries by far, so they have better info on the numbers actually infected.

KK

 

[Harry_BKK]

@Harry_BKK is it down to the testing being down by Germany? In the States and in other countries is the testing more hospital based therefore people with mild symptoms arent being tested? The figures for Germany would seem to be more reflective of the actual death rate of the virus of around 1% were as other countries seem to show a mortality of between 5 and 10% of total cases identified.

Yeah, I don't understand it either. They are doing the highest number of tests and started testing earlier, but that still doesn't fully explain the low death toll. I can't help being impressed. Hospitals are well equipped and the government is on top of all things. Perhaps we'll know after some time what other factors played a role in this.

Widely reported it's because Germany are testing WAY more people than most other countries by far, so they have better info on the numbers actually infected.

KK

I get it with the testing, that's why they detect more people (maybe earlier in the incubation period) as well as allowing them to localize clusters better to ringfence the source. These are the number of tests for the last two weeks:

However, more testing is not equal higher death rate. You look at comparable countries and you get a cases/death rate of roughly 10%, Germany is at 1.3%. That is just so large that IMO it can't be just the extra testing.

Are Germans maybe more resilient? Hospitals better equipped? I know they have one of the highest rates for ICU beds/100,000 citizens in Europe or even the world, can't remember the exact number. Germans with their tick for being organized and disciplined maybe helps too.

I'm just wondering and would wish it would be even lower, and of course, much lower everywhere else.

And not to forget, they have Aunt Angela, a calm yet decisive chancellor.

 

[cncas2123]

I get it with the testing, that's why detect more people (maybe earlier in the incubation period) as well as can localize clusters better to ringfence the source. These are the number of tests for the last two weeks:

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However, testing is not equal death rate. You look at comparable countries and you get roughly 10%, Germany is at 1.3%. That is just so large that IMO it can't be just the extra testing.

Are Germans maybe more resilient? Hospitals better equipped? I know they have one of the highest rates for ICU beds/100,000 citizens in Europe or even the world, can't remember the exact number. Germans with their tick for being organized and disciplined maybe helps too.

I'm just wondering and would wish it would be even lower, and of course, much lower everywhere else.

And not to forget, they have Aunt Angela, a calm yet decisive chancellor.

But if more people get tested with mild symptoms and they are among the 80% who will recover with no intervention that would make more sense, In the UK they only test in hospital and its probably the same in Italy, Spain and the States so they are only really testing the 20% that are going to suffer more severe symptoms hence the higher percentage of deaths vs positive tests.

 

[Harry_BKK]

But if more people get tested with mild symptoms and they are among the 80% who will recover with no intervention that would make more sense, In the UK they only test in hospital and its probably the same in Italy, Spain and the States so they are only really testing the 20% that are going to suffer more severe symptoms hence the higher percentage of deaths vs positive tests.

That is true, the test criteria are much wider than in other countries and any doctor can perform them. No need to go into hospital. And they have a very dense network of labs.

What I also read, they do a lot of contact tracing where they have teams looking at the last two weeks of a confirmed patient.

 

[shadow123]

I would think its down to firm leadership, very careful planning and sticking to what they determined to be the
best course of action, none of which has happened in the UK.We wasted weeks basically with a wait and see
attitude then when things started to look shitty they politely asked people not to go out, which was totally ignored and weeks late they finally imposed the lockdown.
Would not like to be in Boris,s shoes having the responsibility of trying to steer us through it but there is no doubt bad mistakes have been made and we are still way behind on testing and protection,

 

[Borgie]

I would think its down to firm leadership, very careful planning and sticking to what they determined to be the
best course of action, none of which has happened in the UK.We wasted weeks basically with a wait and see
attitude then when things started to look shitty they politely asked people not to go out, which was totally ignored and weeks late they finally imposed the lockdown.
Would not like to be in Boris,s shoes having the responsibility of trying to steer us through it but there is no doubt bad mistakes have been made and we are still way behind on testing and protection,

I totally agree with this.

Its interesting though isn't it that Sweden who continue to have a laid back approach to this are not experiencing higher death rates. Yes its growing but is it growing faster ? Are they doing other stuff that helps? I am sure they have top notch hospital care .

 

[dunover]

I have been following the numbers for some time and they become more baffling by the day. Not that I am trying to laud Germany, the difference is just so striking and the question that comes up is why?

According to the latest chart, DE is 5th with confirmed cases, but way down on the list for deaths.

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The Germans must be using the VW Emissions Team to compile their figures. This has been discussed and the reason is that they predominantly check workers and younger members of their population who are at a lower risk of dying and don't extensively test older people dying naturally. Therefore they record more recoveries, less cases and less deaths.

 

[Harry_BKK]

The Germans must be using the VW Emissions Team to compile their figures. This has been discussed and the reason is that they predominantly check workers and younger members of their population who are at a lower risk of dying and don't extensively test older people dying naturally. Therefore they record more recoveries, less cases and less deaths.

Absolutely wrong.

You can visit the website of the Robert Koch Institute (it is in English as well, no need to learn a foreign language ) and see where and who has been tested instead of making such a populist and uninformed post.

E.g.

- older people dying naturally - is anyone testing those?
- less cases - Germany has more than China.

 

[bamberfishcake]

I have been following the numbers for some time and they become more baffling by the day. Not that I am trying to laud Germany, the difference is just so striking and the question that comes up is why?

According to the latest chart, DE is 5th with confirmed cases, but way down on the list for deaths.

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I hear they have a much better health care system than any on that list also.

More beds, ventilators, more testing, another well oiled German machine.

 

[KasinoKing]

The Germans must be using the VW Emissions Team to compile their figures.

KK

 

[bamberfishcake]

Here is a perfect example of how the British are failing.....

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More deaths today than ever yet there is still a mention of concern over people breaking social distancing rules.

Not a story you will read in the Phillipines due to the 'shoot to kill' policy for breaking curfew and not one i think you would have read about the disciplined German society either.

I just think the Germans prepared and coped better due to their government acting accordingly and their culture and society in general.

 

[cncas2123]

Here is a perfect example of how the British are failing.....

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More deaths today than ever yet there is still a mention of concern over people breaking social distancing rules.

Not a story you will read in the Phillipines due to the 'shoot to kill' policy for breaking curfew and not one i think you would have read about the disciplined German society either.

I just think the Germans prepared and coped better due to their government acting accordingly and their culture and society in general.

This has been predicted from the start, we are going in to the peak period for the infections before the social distancing really kicks in, though the new cases figure has dropped so maybe there is some light at the end of the tunnel.

 

[Kroffe]

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Germany still have a few weird ones though

Atleast he admitted it was worse than he thought it would be.
But yeah, not the smartest move ever made.

 

[Harry_BKK]

This has been predicted from the start, we are going in to the peak period for the infections before the social distancing really kicks in, though the new cases figure has dropped so maybe there is some light at the end of the tunnel.

This is the current curve for the UK. If you remove the numbers on the left, you could take any of the main countries and have the same curve shape.

We are now at the height of the period where infection/transmission and incubation periods end and the illness period of the main wave is hitting. As it takes 2-3 weeks to recover or sadly succumb we will see that curve shape changing very little in the next days before it starts flattening.

That is if we all break the infection process by staying home/distancing etc

 

[Guntis]

In Germany, they are testing more people than in other countries do and also trying to detect the problem at an early stage. Germans in general like order, discipline and have a serious attitude to the most of things.

In the UK, with people is completely opposite. It looks like a lot here don't know that there is the lockdown going on and what rules must be followed in order to be safe and keep others safe too. Many treat the situation as a free benefit or the government's paid holiday.

 

[Harry_BKK]

Found this video which shows the exponential spread, couldn't find a similar for a European country but I think it shows the accelaration of the spread really well. The video is not available with all IPs.

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Here the main data points.

 

[shadow123]

Some people are setting fire to 5G masts as there has been a lot of rumours on social media blaming
them for the virus which sounds like bollocks at first with the experts saying it is totally impossible
for it to be linked.
I know its been discussed a lot already but are we absolutely sure that 5G could not contribute to mutations
of viruses and would it ever be admitted.

 

[Kroffe]

I say no, and the website im linking has "fact" in its name.
Plus, im always honest.

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[Harry_BKK]

I say no, and the website im linking has "fact" in its name.
Plus, im always honest.

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Oh no, I am sure they have the best 5G network in Iran, the best and biggliest every, by far...... After all they have the most cases of any country in the ME.

Conspiracy theorists have a field day at the moment.

EDIT: FYI, Iran has no 5G network, not a single mast!

 

[bamberfishcake]

Some people are setting fire to 5G masts as there has been a lot of rumours on social media blaming
them for the virus which sounds like bollocks at first with the experts saying it is totally impossible
for it to be linked.
I know its been discussed a lot already but are we absolutely sure that 5G could not contribute to mutations
of viruses and would it ever be admitted.

In general i think mobile phones are one of the ways we have messed up the planet. As for 5G helping the spread of the virus it seems a little far fetched but i dont know much about the subject. Not sure 5G would do much more harm than what 4G has already done would be my guess.

No harm with wiping mobile phone masts from the planet in my book though. Return to the basics and all become vegetable growing hippies, with the odd casino of course

 

[Harry_BKK]

In general i think mobile phones are one of the ways we have messed up the planet. As for 5G helping the spread of the virus it seems a little far fetched but i dont know much about the subject. Not sure 5G would do much more harm than what 4G has already done would be my guess.

No harm with wiping mobile phone masts from the planet in my book though. Return to the basics and all become vegetable growing hippies, with the odd casino of course

While 5G operates at slightly higher frequencies than 4G it is still far off anything that can damage organic matter as others e.g. X-rays. Frequency AKA wavelength is the key.

Comparing it to lets say voice, we are not even at Bariton level, and still well within Bass range.

 

[irish-ranger]

Some people are setting fire to 5G masts as there has been a lot of rumours on social media blaming
them for the virus which sounds like bollocks at first with the experts saying it is totally impossible
for it to be linked.
I know its been discussed a lot already but are we absolutely sure that 5G could not contribute to mutations
of viruses and would it ever be admitted.

What did they blame the spread of the Spanish flu on(carrier pigeons)??My oul Da use to say don’t believe everything u read in the papers people should follow that advice with social media ..

 

[bamberfishcake]

What did they blame the spread of the Spanish flu on(carrier pigeons)??My oul Da use to say don’t believe everything u read in the papers people should follow that advice with social media ..

And them pesky forums!

 

[cncas2123]

So much sh*t has been spread on this virus, from being a Chinese germ warfare weapon to it being 5G with everyone being locked down so that it can be installed and the control of the human race starts....
With any luck these tossers will whip up enough of a mob mentality to ensure all the masts are burned down and they can't load their crap onto the internet any more.

 

[irish-ranger]

So much sh*t has been spread on this virus, from being a Chinese germ warfare weapon to it being 5G with everyone being locked down so that it can be installed and the control of the human race starts....
With any luck these tossers will whip up enough of a mob mentality to ensure all the masts are burned down and they can't load their crap onto the internet any more.

Did ya see the shit going on in north Belfast this morning??

 

[cncas2123]

Did ya see the shit going on in north Belfast this morning??

Someone just posted it on my FB newsfeed, but I thought that was just a normal Antrim Road barbecue session......
Another one popped up with a video of some intelligence officer in the 80's saying the army used microwaves to make catholics sick....... shows how smart they were in those days, they could train the microwaves to leave the prods alone.....

 

[irish-ranger]

Someone just posted it on my FB newsfeed, but I thought that was just a normal Antrim Road barbecue session......
Another one popped up with a video of some intelligence officer in the 80's saying the army used microwaves to make catholics sick....... shows how smart they were in those days, they could train the microwaves to leave the prods alone.....

What they are referring to was ECM electronic countermeasures systems used to block the signal to radio controlled bombs one in patculair the (Antler).
Blocked everything in a 50 meter radius including TV signal bored soldiers used to go firm out side people’s houses just as coronation street was starting screwing ever TV screen with in its range.
Sinn Fein started the propaganda saying the ECM were causing all sorts of illness which was obviously bollocks.

 

[cncas2123]

What they are referring to was ECM electronic countermeasures systems used to block the signal to radio controlled bombs one in patculair the (Antler).
Blocked everything in a 50 meter radius including TV signal bored soldiers used to go firm out side people’s houses just as coronation street was starting screwing ever TV screen with in its range.
Sinn Fein started the propaganda saying the ECM were causing all sorts of illness which was obviously bollocks.

Yip, total and complete bollox that it caused illness but people still circulating the lie and trying to tie it all on into the Coronavirus,

 

[irish-ranger]

Yip, total and complete bollox that it caused illness but people still circulating the lie and trying to tie it all on into the Coronavirus,

Aye it’s always the blame game if we just stick to the advice given we will get there, yet saying that I see them dicks on the hill have started their usual shit having pops at each other..

 

[cncas2123]

Aye it’s always the blame game if we just stick to the advice given we will get there, yet saying that I see them dicks on the hill have started their usual shit having pops at each other..

In defence of Arlene for once she's trying to show a bit of leadership and maintain a united front. Michele is playing her usual blame game ( its all everybody elses fault). Robin Swann is trying his best, hes been brought in to a department thats had no direction for 3 years and immediately he has to deal with the worst pandemic in living memory.
As for Conor Murphy, if it had been any other minister who had made the misleading statement that he had ordered PPE with the Irish government when it never was, him and Michele would be the first ones shouting for their resignation, so he should do the decent thing and step down but decency doesnt seem to exist for a lot of MLA's.

 

[Playford7]

Beef Ragu pappardelle and some garlic and herb bread.
Nothing fancy but the beef was of high quality.

 

[irish-ranger]

In defence of Arlene for once she's trying to show a bit of leadership and maintain a united front. Michele is playing her usual blame game ( its all everybody elses fault). Robin Swann is trying his best, hes been brought in to a department thats had no direction for 3 years and immediately he has to deal with the worst pandemic in living memory.
As for Conor Murphy, if it had been any other minister who had made the misleading statement that he had ordered PPE with the Irish government when it never was, him and Michele would be the first ones shouting for their resignation, so he should do the decent thing and step down but decency doesnt seem to exist for a lot of MLA's.

I agree and I did say to a mate when Conor brought up the order of the PPE that it was a political move and the same with his boss constantly stating she’s moving with the advice of the WHO when big Arleen is going with the direction of HM government.
Shame on the shineers for using this virus for political gains but what else can we expect from a pig but a grunt..

 

[irish-ranger]

Beef Ragu pappardelle and some garlic and herb bread.
Nothing fancy but the beef was of high quality.

Boggin my man is that fer sox?? Lol

 

[Playford7]

‘For’ and no the hound eaten earlier, tails special mix for dogs. A fine blend of protein and nutritional delights.
She’s now sleeping before our walk at about 9 ish.
Got a £400 balance at all british so might have a cheeky 100 spins on a game...
any recommendations?..

 

[irish-ranger]

‘For’ and no the hound eaten earlier, tails special mix for dogs. A fine blend of protein and nutritional delights.
She’s now sleeping before our walk at about 9 ish.
Got a £400 balance at all british so might have a cheeky 100 spins on a game...
any recommendations?..

Aye go on £400 on bonanza see if it lasts more than 30 mins it’s a dog today I’m down £900 in the last week on low bets.

 

[Playford7]

Aye go on £400 on bonanza see if it lasts more than 30 mins it’s a dog today I’m down £900 in the last week on low bets.

This is from that £50 deposit yesterday still.
dont think my mentality could take anymore bonanza mate

 

[irish-ranger]

This is from that £50 deposit yesterday still.
dont think my mentality could take anymore bonanza mate

Wack the lap top throw her on auto spins and drink and be merry

 

[Playford7]

Wack the lap top throw her on auto spins and drink and be merry

Haha, I use my phone mate.
I’ll walk the hound assess the situation upon arrival home

 

[cncas2123]

Haha, I use my phone mate.
I’ll walk the hound assess the situation upon arrival home

Death or glory, it they have napoleon hit 100 £4 spins, you will either get a few grand or feck all.....

 

[irish-ranger]

Death or glory, it they have napoleon hit 100 £4 spins, you will either get a few grand or feck all.....

OR he could sign up to an online cookery course who will teach him not ever fucking dish has to be drowned in cheese loll

 

[Playford7]

OR he could sign up to an online cookery course who will teach him not ever fucking dish has to be drowned in cheese loll

Wow... harsh

 

[Playford7]

Death or glory, it they have napoleon hit 100 £4 spins, you will either get a few grand or feck all.....

I’m not that overly bothered by winning a few k I’m ok. Some playtime and a few bonuses would be nice however. Detoured to the shops for essentials, well beer and a comic for little lady tomoz

 

[Steviedoo]

OR he could sign up to an online cookery course who will teach him not ever fucking dish has to be drowned in cheese loll

i think he just needs to take better photos...and needs better lighting....

 

[goatwack]

V For Vendetta playing in the background, who knew

What I once considered a dystopian surreal cult movie now seems like a documentary

 

[Playford7]

V For Vendetta playing in the background, who knew

What I once considered a dystopian surreal cult movie now seems like a documentary

That’s a great film.
And also most apt for the times that are upon us..

 

[ternur]

I’m not that overly bothered by winning a few k I’m ok. Some playtime and a few bonuses would be nice however. Detoured to the shops for essentials, well beer and a comic for little lady tomoz

Good for you. I have 3 stores within 300 metres from our front door. But as a good isolator, I ordered a decent amount of beer and wine from Germany. Expecting delivery next week.

 

[dealer wins]

Well a month into this I still think that the western world has gone stark raving mad. Lockdowns and closing businesses will cause 100 times the suffering and deaths that this virus will cause.

I could understand it if the virus killed 20-30% of those who get it, but it doesnt, but we (especially the young) are going to pay a horrific price if we continue to trash our economy!!

Let nature take its course, it still will anyway even with a lockdown but at least we wont trash peoples futures at the same time!