Corona virus - Covid 19 discussion

[shadow123]

I agree it was far too political at first and we were way too late
self isolating, now we are trying to catch up and get where we
should be regarding protecting the NHS and testing.
Really annoys me the people saying its not that dangerous and
comparing it to flu, its nothing like the flu, far more infectious.
Regarding self isolation, that is proven to work in many countries
and its the biggest weapon we have at the moment.
We have to stick with it and monitor the figures to see how effective it is here.
No point in whinging,its no fun for anyone but a damn site better
that dying alone drowning with lungs full of shit.
I do however think that there a big danger of serious social unrest if it goes on for months and that will have to be dealt with using whatever means are necessary.

 

[Borgie]

Yep see here.

You do not have permission to view link Log in or register now.

a snippet from the beginning of it.

The Corona Virus Disease 2019 or “Covid-19” is a coronavirus similar to the virus that causes pneumonia. Covid-19 is a danger to at-risk groups including the elderly and the chronically ill.
If you are not elderly and if you are in good health you have virtually no chance of dying from it.

For the vast majority of the population, Covid-19 is no more dangerous than the common cold. This is backed up by statistics already being reported across Western publications and based on information derived from China’s outbreak where the virus first appeared.

Compared to cancer, heart disease, substance abuse, or car accidents – Covid-19 is relatively harmless. But it has been put in the spotlight by deliberately dishonest, selective reporting that focuses on generating hysteria by presenting out-of-context information to an ignorant and easily panicked public.

If there is no global concern or massive mobilization over cancer and heart disease – conditions that claim far more lives than any virus – why the sudden hysteria and “concern” .

If that isn’t convincing enough, simply scrutinize content you’re already reading – especially regarding Covid-19 deaths – and see how old and in what health those are in reportedly dying from Covid-19. Many paragraphs down – far from the hysteria-generating headlines – you will find that those dying are already chronically ill, advanced in age, and/or already at risk whether it was Covid-19 or the common cold.

When deaths are reported without context they easily create panic.

When the number of Covid-19 deaths are put into perspective in relation to past outbreaks – or even side-by-side with the annual common flu virus- we see just how unwarranted the current wave of hysteria is and how overreactions from governments are aimed more at saving face and assuaging public panic than preserving public health.

The thing is that this virus results in sooo many people needing either intensive care or ventilators .... too many people at once means far more die than would need to. So it's not about how many people just the virus kills it's about how many we have to let die if we do not flatten the curve. Do you want to be the person who has to say I won't treat him or her as I have chosen 2 different people here as I dont have enough beds or equipment for both

The answer has to be to sort out the benefits so people can have money for at least basic food and drink

If they lift the lock down too soon then thousands will die who need not have . That's not sensationalism it is fact. The hospitals are full ... they aren't building a makeshift hospital at Excel for fun. They never had to build one for the normal flu did they so this must be different. It must be worse.

Italy has bodies piled up in coffins everywhere. That's not a lie that's fact. They didn't have that in last years flu season.

This is not the same. It is a nightmare and the worlds economy is in free fall but lives have to come first.

 

[electronictonic]

The thing is that this virus results in sooo many people needing either intensive care or ventilators .... too many people at once means far more die than would need to. So it's not about how many people just the virus kills it's about how many we have to let die if we do not flatten the curve. Do you want to be the person who has to say I won't treat him or her as I have chosen 2 different people here as I dont have enough beds or equipment for both

The answer has to be to sort out the benefits so people can have money for at least basic food and drink

If they lift the lock down too soon then thousands will die who need not have . That's not sensationalism it is fact. The hospitals are full ... they aren't building a makeshift hospital at Excel for fun. They never had to build one for the normal flu did they so this must be different. It must be worse.

Italy has bodies piled up in coffins everywhere. That's not a lie that's fact. They didn't have that in last years flu season.

This is not the same. It is a nightmare and the worlds economy is in free fall but lives have to come first.

Italy has bodies piled up in coffins everywhere, let's take that panic and hysteria that statement will cause and let's bring some context to that alarming statment.

A Swiss medical doctor provided the following information on the current situation in order to enable our readers to make a realistic risk assessment. (Daily updates below)

According to the latest data of the Italian National Health Institute ISS, the average age of the positively-tested deceased in Italy is currently about 81 years. 10% of the deceased are over 90 years old. 90% of the deceased are over 70 years old.

80% of the deceased had suffered from two or more chronic diseases. 50% of the deceased had suffered from three or more chronic diseases. The chronic diseases include in particular cardiovascular problems, diabetes, respiratory problems and cancer.

Less than 1% of the deceased were healthy persons, i.e. persons without pre-existing chronic diseases. Only about 30% of the deceased are women.

The Italian Institute of Health moreover distinguishes between those who died from the coronavirus and those who died with the coronavirus. In many cases it is not yet clear whether the persons died from the virus or from their pre-existing chronic diseases or from a combination of both.

The two Italians deceased under 40 years of age (both 39 years old) were a cancer patient and a diabetes patient with additional complications. In these cases, too, the exact cause of death was not yet clear (i.e. if from the virus or from their pre-existing diseases).

The partial overloading of the hospitals is due to the general rush of patients and the increased number of patients requiring special or intensive care. In particular, the aim is to stabilize respiratory function and, in severe cases, to provide anti-viral therapies.

(Update: The Italian National Institute of Health published a statistical report on test-positive patients and deceased, confirming the above data.)

The doctor also points out the following aspects:

Northern Italy has one of the oldest populations and the worst air quality in Europe, which has already led to an increased number of respiratory diseases and deaths in the past and is likely an additional risk factor in the current epidemic.

it helps to look at things in context, instead of making fear mongoring statements.

 

[cncas2123]

Italy has bodies piled up in coffins everywhere, let's take that panic and hysteria that statement will cause and let's bring some context to that alarming statment.

A Swiss medical doctor provided the following information on the current situation in order to enable our readers to make a realistic risk assessment. (Daily updates below)

According to the latest data of the Italian National Health Institute ISS, the average age of the positively-tested deceased in Italy is currently about 81 years. 10% of the deceased are over 90 years old. 90% of the deceased are over 70 years old.

80% of the deceased had suffered from two or more chronic diseases. 50% of the deceased had suffered from three or more chronic diseases. The chronic diseases include in particular cardiovascular problems, diabetes, respiratory problems and cancer.

Less than 1% of the deceased were healthy persons, i.e. persons without pre-existing chronic diseases. Only about 30% of the deceased are women.

The Italian Institute of Health moreover distinguishes between those who died from the coronavirus and those who died with the coronavirus. In many cases it is not yet clear whether the persons died from the virus or from their pre-existing chronic diseases or from a combination of both.

The two Italians deceased under 40 years of age (both 39 years old) were a cancer patient and a diabetes patient with additional complications. In these cases, too, the exact cause of death was not yet clear (i.e. if from the virus or from their pre-existing diseases).

The partial overloading of the hospitals is due to the general rush of patients and the increased number of patients requiring special or intensive care. In particular, the aim is to stabilize respiratory function and, in severe cases, to provide anti-viral therapies.

(Update: The Italian National Institute of Health published a statistical report on test-positive patients and deceased, confirming the above data.)

The doctor also points out the following aspects:

Northern Italy has one of the oldest populations and the worst air quality in Europe, which has already led to an increased number of respiratory diseases and deaths in the past and is likely an additional risk factor in the current epidemic.

it helps to look at things in context, instead of making fear mongoring statements.

Yea, thats so correct, and maybe you can tell that to the 60 odd medical staff who were young fit healthy people who have died because of the virus. I have never in my life heard of that amount of medical people dying from Flu, but maybe I am just reading the wrong news sites.

None so blind as those who dont want to see......

 

[Borgie]

You do not have permission to view link Log in or register now.

This was over a week ago so will be much worse by now. This is not normal or right.

Also these old people as you keep saying @electronictonic who obviously you think it's ok to let die not only died they died alone with nobody to comfort them . The manner of death was them being asphyxiated. How dreadful must that have been. But hey they were mostly old so that is ok. I am disgusted.

 

[electronictonic]

Yea, thats so correct, and maybe you can tell that to the 60 odd medical staff who were young fit healthy people who have died because of the virus. I have never in my life heard of that amount of medical people dying from Flu, but maybe I am just reading the wrong news sites.

None so blind as those who dont want to see......

Yep posting an alarming statement like "coffins piling up" then posting no context with it is very blinded.

March 25, 2020

• German immunologist and toxicologist, Professor Stefan Hockertz, explains in a
  You do not have permission to view link Log in or register now.
  that Covid19 is no more dangerous than influenza (the flu), but that it is simply observed much more closely. More dangerous than the virus is the fear and panic created by the media and the „authoritarian reaction“ of many governments. Professor Hockertz also notes that most so-called „corona deaths“ have in fact died of other causes while also testing positive for coronaviruses. Hockertz believes that up to ten times more people than reported already had Covid19 but noticed nothing or very little.
• The Argentinean virologist and biochemist Pablo Goldschmidt explains that Covid19 is
  You do not have permission to view link Log in or register now.
  . It is even possible that the Covid19 virus circulated already in earlier years, but wasn’t discovered because no one was looking for it. Dr. Goldschmidt speaks of a „global terror“ created by the media and politics. Every year, he says, three million newborns worldwide and 50,000 adults in the US alone die of pneumonia.
• Professor Martin Exner, head of the Institute for Hygiene at the University of Bonn,
  You do not have permission to view link Log in or register now.
  why health personnel are currently under pressure, even though there has hardly been any increase in the number of patients in Germany so far: On the one hand, doctors and nurses who have tested positive have to be quarantined and are often hard to replace. On the other hand, nurses from neighbouring countries, who provide an important part of the care, are currently unable to enter the country due to closed borders.
• Professor Julian Nida-Ruemelin, former German Minister of State for Culture and Professor of Ethics,
  You do not have permission to view link Log in or register now.
  that Covid19 poses no risk to the healthy general population and that extreme measures such as curfews are therefore not justified.
• Using data from the cruise ship Diamond Princess, Stanford Professor John Ioannidis
  You do not have permission to view link Log in or register now.
  that the age-corrected lethality of Covid19 is between 0.025% and 0.625%, i.e. in the range of a strong cold or the flu. Moreover, a
  You do not have permission to view link Log in or register now.
  showed that of all the test-positive passengers, and despite the high average age, 48% remained completely symptom-free; even among the 80-89 year olds 48% remained symptom-free, while among the 70 to 79 year olds it was an astounding 60% that developed no symptoms at all. This again raises the question whether the pre-existing diseases are not perhaps a more important factor than the virus itself. The Italian example has shown that
  You do not have permission to view link Log in or register now.
  had one or more pre-existing conditions, and even among these, only
  You do not have permission to view link Log in or register now.
  mentioned Covid19 as a causal factor.

Regarding the situation in Italy: Most major media falsely report that Italy has up to 800 deaths per day from the coronavirus. In reality, the president of the Italian Civil Protection Service stresses that these are deaths „with the coronavirus and not from the coronavirus“ (minute 03:30 of the

You do not have permission to view link Log in or register now.

). In other words, these persons died while also testing positive.


As Professors Ioannidis and Bhakdi

You do not have permission to view link Log in or register now.

, countries like South Korea and Japan that introduced no lockdown measures have experienced near-zero excess mortality in connection with Covid-19, while the Diamond Princess cruise ship experienced an extra polated mortality figure in the per mille range, i.e. at or below the level of the seasonal flu.


Current test-positive death figures in Italy are still less than 50% of normal daily overall mortality in Italy, which is around 1800 deaths per day. Thus it is possible, perhaps even likely, that a large part of normal daily mortality now simply counts as „Covid19“ deaths (as they test positive). This is the point stressed by the President of the Italian Civil Protection Service.


However, by now it is clear that certain regions in Northern Italy, i.e. those facing the toughest

You do not have permission to view link Log in or register now.

, are experiencing markedly increased daily mortality figures. It is also known that in the Lombardy region, 90% of test-positive deaths occur not in intensive care units, but instead mostly

You do not have permission to view link Log in or register now.

. And more than 99% have serious pre-existing health conditions.


Professor Sucharit Bhakdi

You do not have permission to view link Log in or register now.

lockdown measures „useless“, „self-destructive“ and a „collective suicide“. Thus the extremely troubling question arises as to what extent the increased mortality of these elderly, isolated, highly stressed people with multiple pre-existing health conditions may in fact be caused by the weeks-long lockdown measures still in force.


If so, it may be one of those cases where the treatment is worse than the disease. (See update below: only 12% of death certificates show the coronavirus as a cause.)

• Italy: The renowned Italian virologist Giulio Tarro
  You do not have permission to view link Log in or register now.
  that the mortality rate of Covid19 is below 1% even in Italy and is therefore comparable to influenza. The higher values only arise because no distinction is made between deaths with and by Covid19 and because the number of (symptom-free) infected persons is greatly underestimated.
• UK: The authors of the British Imperial College study, who predicted up to 500,000 deaths, are again reducing their forecasts. After already
  You do not have permission to view link Log in or register now.
  that a large proportion of test-positive deaths are part of normal mortality, they now state that the peak of the disease
  You do not have permission to view link Log in or register now.
  already.
• UK: The British Guardian
  You do not have permission to view link Log in or register now.
  that already in the otherwise weak flu season 2018/2019 there were more than 2180 flu-related admissions to intensive care units in the UK.
• Switzerland: In Switzerland, the excess mortality due to Covid19 is apparently still zero. The latest „fatal victim“ presented by the media is a
  You do not have permission to view link Log in or register now.
  . Nevertheless, the Swiss government continues to tighten restrictive measures.

 

[electronictonic]

You do not have permission to view link Log in or register now.

This was over a week ago so will be much worse by now. This is not normal or right.

Also these old people as you keep saying @electronictonic who obviously you think it's ok to let die not only died they died alone with nobody to comfort them . The manner of death was them being asphyxiated. How dreadful must that have been. But hey they were mostly old so that is ok. I am disgusted.

Ah now you are going full ad hominem, where did I say it is okay from them to die because they are old, post sensationalist mainstream articles with no context, then attack someone who tries to add context.

 

[cncas2123]

Ah now you are going full ad hominem, where did I say it is okay from them to die because they are old, post sensationalist mainstream articles with no context, then attack someone who tries to add context.

And how many Doctors , Nurses, Paramedics etc die during a normal flu season? We are already seeing whats happened to these people in Italy and it will happen here..... but sure its only the Flu, nothing to worry about if a few old people die.

 

[Kroffe]

When more people are dying in one day compared to the whole of 2019 it might just be a tad different than a normal flu.

Corona v flu in uk that is.

 

[ShadyFei]

There is a lot of misinformation in this thread lately. So people reading these posts of late, take the info with a grain of salt. A lot of it is wrong. Or there are some accurate facts mixed in with inaccurate info so it seems somewhat plausible. Some of it is outright BS conspiracy theories. So those of you posting unproven pseudoscience nonsense as absolute fact (and you know who you are), stop spreading misinformation! None of it is helpful and it can be downright dangerous.

Seasonal flu can be deadly, yes. But the flu does not cause all those deaths to occur in a 4-6 week period overloading and perhaps collapsing healthcare systems. (Even my own mother in her seventies was asked to come out of retirement because the hospitals are so desperate for specially-trained staff to run ventilators.) Plus the mortality rate of Covid-19 is in the range of 10-40 times deadlier than season flu. Do you recall hospitals around the world this desperate and overwhelmed every year with seasonal flu? I think not. Use some common sense here.

The mortality rate of C-19 is an estimate because this is a new virus. Also there are so many factors that influence mortality rate: age, region of the world, availability of ventilators , functioning healthcare system, etc. Also, you are not taking into account all the deaths that were not attributed to coronavirus but should have been. In January and February, hospitals in Canada, and the US in particular, saw a noticeable spike in deaths caused by “pneumonia or unknown flu”. Many healthcare professionals believe most of those deaths were actually caused by Covid-19 and these deaths are not included in the death rate stats. Furthermore, in Italy many people are dying at home. Possibly because the hospitals are overrun and they are triaging. According to Italian mayors, this is happening in fairly significant numbers. These deaths are not included in the mortality rate because these people were not tested and did not die in the hospital. The mayors are fighting to have these included in the death count. Google it. You’ll find lots of news reports.

Yes labs can differentiate different types of Coronavirus. The term “Coronavirus” actually refers to a family of viruses. Covid-19 is just one virus within that family, the common cold is another type of coronavirus. When people are tested for Covid-19, the tests look for a specific marker unique to Covid-19. So no, as far as I know the test won’t pick up every coronavirus. And if someone is in the hospital with fever and cannot breathe, I think it is fair to say they do not have the common cold.

You are still extremely infectious after 3 days of getting Covid-19! An infected person is infectious for weeks. I don’t know where you got that information from, but it is absolutely untrue. Use some common sense here. The viral load would be massive when people are hospitalized. When the virus is raging through your body, of course you are shedding virus all over the place.

Everyone knows about that couple who ingested aquarium fish tank cleaner (contains chloroquine phosphate) because they believed the drug chloroquine prevents Covid-19 infection? The man died and the woman is hospitalized. Because they listened to someone who has no clue what they are talking about with incomplete or incorrect data.

Lecture over.

 

[Borgie]

Oh my days if it's no more dangerous than the flu why are there no beds left in hospitals why did china have to build loads of hospitals virtually overnight. If it was the normal flu they wouldn't have needed to would they. They didn't need to last year.

@electronictonic you ignore anything that doesn't suit your theory that everything is well with the world and aren't we just making a lot of fuss over nothing.

All those doctors who died. Tut if only they had listened to you .. they need not have laid down their lives .

Really....

 

[Kroffe]

There is a great group made for conspiracy theories.
No need to fill this thread with them.

The Truth Is Out There

 

[electronictonic]

Oh my days if it's no more dangerous than the flu why are there no beds left in hospitals why did china have to build loads of hospitals virtually overnight. If it was the normal flu they wouldn't have needed to would they. They didn't need to last year.

@electronictonic you ignore anything that doesn't suit your theory that everything is well with the world and aren't we just making a lot of fuss over nothing.

All those doctors who died. Tut if only they had listened to you .. they need not have laid down their lives .

Really....

And you ignore anything non mainstream and even mainstream health statistics from Italy itself and anything that is not part of the big 6 companies that control all media in the known world, then make sarcastic ad hominem replies.

 

[cncas2123]

And you ignore anything non mainstream that is not part of the big 6 companies that control all media in the known world, then make sarcastic ad hominem replies.

It isnt the media that is putting people in ICU's all over the world. It isnt the media that killed the Italian medics. It isnt the media that will soon have the hospitals in the US and the UK completely over run with people dying from this virus.

 

[electronictonic]

 

[cncas2123]

This is the reality, like it or not.

You do not have permission to view link Log in or register now.

 

[geordiecolin]

Finally people are slowly waking up to the reality to this lockdown.

When I mentioned a week ago how the debt and poverty ahead is worse than the risk of death the amount of abuse certain posters sent my way was ridiculous. But now as the weeks go by into the lockdown, the tide is turning, people are already starting to lose the patience on the lockdown and rightly so.

People in Italy are rebelling and starting to loot and riot, and the longer it goes on here the more this will happen.

I give it two weeks before people realise whats after corona is way worse than corona itself, the New York Gov ruled out a lockdown and thats the worse hit area in America. It is disturbing that the Americans are the rational ones on this topic as they are usually the ones being the most over the top.

Infact it's impossible to find a politician in America wanting a lockdown, because they know it will collapse the economy, someone needs to wake u in this government and give it a week or two max and get back to normal, the talk of June before the lockdown is over will not happen and if it does expect serious troubles on the street.

I think that what we will see will be similar to the stages of grief including anger and aggression

 

[geordiecolin]

There is a lot of misinformation in this thread lately. So people reading these posts of late, take the info with a grain of salt. A lot of it is wrong. Or there are some accurate facts mixed in with inaccurate info so it seems somewhat plausible. Some of it is outright BS conspiracy theories. So those of you posting unproven pseudoscience nonsense as absolute fact (and you know who you are), stop spreading misinformation! None of it is helpful and it can be downright dangerous.

Seasonal flu can be deadly, yes. But the flu does not cause all those deaths to occur in a 4-6 week period overloading and perhaps collapsing healthcare systems. (Even my own mother in her seventies was asked to come out of retirement because the hospitals are so desperate for specially-trained staff to run ventilators.) Plus the mortality rate of Covid-19 is in the range of 10-40 times deadlier than season flu. Do you recall hospitals around the world this desperate and overwhelmed every year with seasonal flu? I think not. Use some common sense here.

The mortality rate of C-19 is an estimate because this is a new virus. Also there are so many factors that influence mortality rate: age, region of the world, availability of ventilators , functioning healthcare system, etc. Also, you are not taking into account all the deaths that were not attributed to coronavirus but should have been. In January and February, hospitals in Canada, and the US in particular, saw a noticeable spike in deaths caused by “pneumonia or unknown flu”. Many healthcare professionals believe most of those deaths were actually caused by Covid-19 and these deaths are not included in the death rate stats. Furthermore, in Italy many people are dying at home. Possibly because the hospitals are overrun and they are triaging. According to Italian mayors, this is happening in fairly significant numbers. These deaths are not included in the mortality rate because these people were not tested and did not die in the hospital. The mayors are fighting to have these included in the death count. Google it. You’ll find lots of news reports.

Yes labs can differentiate different types of Coronavirus. The term “Coronavirus” actually refers to a family of viruses. Covid-19 is just one virus within that family, the common cold is another type of coronavirus. When people are tested for Covid-19, the tests look for a specific marker unique to Covid-19. So no, as far as I know the test won’t pick up every coronavirus. And if someone is in the hospital with fever and cannot breathe, I think it is fair to say they do not have the common cold.

You are still extremely infectious after 3 days of getting Covid-19! An infected person is infectious for weeks. I don’t know where you got that information from, but it is absolutely untrue. Use some common sense here. The viral load would be massive when people are hospitalized. When the virus is raging through your body, of course you are shedding virus all over the place.

Everyone knows about that couple who ingested aquarium fish tank cleaner (contains chloroquine phosphate) because they believed the drug chloroquine prevents Covid-19 infection? The man died and the woman is hospitalized. Because they listened to someone who has no clue what they are talking about with incomplete or incorrect data.

Lecture over.

On the points that are related to what I have posted I will have to come back to you because I suspect it will take some time getting involved with. I do not underestimate the danger of this very real virus. In fact both myself and my sister could possibly be dealing with a mild version of it as I type.
However I am playing the videoslots battle weekend and I am not prepared to leave that for this plus I am busy with communicating with family etc.
I will come back,but not any time real soon

 

[cncas2123]

And this is why so many people in the UK will get this virus and potentially die.

You do not have permission to view link Log in or register now.

 

[goatwack]

And this is why so many people in the UK will get this virus and potentially die.

You do not have permission to view link Log in or register now.

Leave 'em to it. They can have their dumb-ass party but forfeit NHS treatment

Simples

*bar the kids

 

[ShadyFei]

On the points that are related to what I have posted I will have to come back to you because I suspect it will take some time getting involved with. I do not underestimate the danger of this very real virus. In fact both myself and my sister could possibly be dealing with a mild version of it as I type.
However I am playing the videoslots battle weekend and I am not prepared to leave that for this plus I am busy with communicating with family etc.
I will come back,but not any time real soon

Actually, your post(s) were not the worst of them. You weren’t posting dodgy articles or misinterpreting legit ones. Your post came across as something you heard about. Specifically, I felt it important to address this false statement in your post:

“But after 3 days max the virus itself has left the body and you are no longer able to transmit the virus to others.”

It might give someone a false sense of security that either they or someone they know is no longer infectious at that stage when nothing could be further from the truth. I am not trying to target people, more wanting to correct misinformation due to the serious nature of possible consequences.

 

[goatwack]

Until a fully-functioning vaccine's in circulation for the entire population isn't there a risk of constantly being re-infected by it?

So those that managed to ward it off might not have recovered sufficiently for a second bout I take it

 

[Borgie]

Until a fully-functioning vaccine's in circulation for the entire population isn't there a risk of constantly being re-infected by it?

So those that managed to ward it off might not have recovered sufficiently for a second bout I take it

In general once you have had a virus your body will have made antibodies which means you are most unlikely to get it again. Unlikely not impossible.

However Iceland have discovered from testing everyone that presents as they have the capacity to do so that there are quite a number of different strains. I don't know if that means you could get one strain and then get another strain later on.

 

[goatwack]

In general once you have had a virus your body will have made antibodies which means you are most unlikely to get it again. Unlikely not impossible.

However Iceland have discovered from testing everyone that presents as they have the capacity to do so that there are quite a number of different strains. I don't know if that means you could get one strain and then get another strain later on.

Exactly. I know the body's response to immunizing itself after a virus, just that some form of medical aid would have sped that process up.

After one Covid-19 attack I don't think the body'd have recovered sufficiently, leaving most pretty sapped

 

[Borgie]

Exactly. I know the body's response to immunizing itself after a virus, just that some form of medical aid would have sped that process up.

After one Covid-19 attack I don't think the body'd have recovered sufficiently, leaving most pretty sapped

They are also starting to look at the lung damage caused . So those who recover from a very bad bout may have long term damage. They have seen between 20 to 30 percent reduced lung capacity. They do not know how long term that will be or whether may be permanent.

 

[cncas2123]

Leave 'em to it. They can have their dumb-ass party but forfeit NHS treatment

Simples

*bar the kids

Agree 100% but the problem is if one of these idiots had the virus and passed it to the others thats potentially hundreds of people that will be infected by the actions of 25 tossers.

 

[shadow123]

At the end of the day (I hate that phrase) all we are being asked to do is sit on our arses for a few weeks and behave like civilised people, is it that hard, think of all those on the frontline who have
no choice and what they are having to go through every day.

 

[cncas2123]

At the end of the day (I hate that phrase) all we are being asked to do is sit on our arses for a few weeks and behave like civilised people, is it that hard, think of all those on the frontline who have
no choice and what they are having to go through every day.

TBH it is a bit hard when you are used to getting out and about, but if everyone did it for the next 3 - 4 weeks the virus would be stopped in its tracks and there will be more advances in the search for a treatment therefore greatly reducing the risk of harm.
Unfortunately some people think they are above this request to stop the virus advancing and think that its ok to carry on as if nothing has happened.

 

[Borgie]

TBH it is a bit hard when you are used to getting out and about, but if everyone did it for the next 3 - 4 weeks the virus would be stopped in its tracks and there will be more advances in the search for a treatment therefore greatly reducing the risk of harm.
Unfortunately some people think they are above this request to stop the virus advancing and think that its ok to carry on as if nothing has happened.

In wuhan they are just being let out now after over 60 days . They locked a lot of them in literally. Padlocked the gates. But..... look at their figures . Declining daily they have got on top of it. That shows it works.

 

[goatwack]

What a Hustler

You do not have permission to view link Log in or register now.

 

[shadow123]

See Blair has emerged from wherever to tell the country the bleeding obvious,probably
got shares in the companies making the testing kits

 

[colinsunderland]

Message seems to be getting through now to people, it was packed this time last week, and although it's colder today it's still usually busy with dog walkers and the like

 

[lockinlove]

Just browsed some of the posts quickly and I can understand some conspiracy theorists because of what we have seen in other situations throughout history.

You all have known for years I work in a management role in a large and well known hospital. I deal with this daily. I read all the reports from top health officials. I have meetings with CEO's of hospitals. I work around covid 19 patients. Daily.

This is not just some flu. We are almost at capacity for patients on ventilators and are awaiting help from our premier. This is very dangerous, this is very contagious and this is very serious. I have worked at a hospital for almost 20 years now and I have never seen anything like this before. As a matter of fact life long doctors and surgeons at my hospital have not seen anything like this before. Alot of these doctors and nurses were around when H1N1 and sars happened.

When ICU doctors and nurses tell you they are worried. They deal with and see everything possible. When they are worried, you should be too.

Seniors are most vulnerable..to death. But young people have died, young people are fighting for their life and young people will have permanent damage.

Will you guys listen to someone who is on the front lines? Will you stop looking and searching for articles that will comfort you? I have zero reason to post here during this aside from maybe some of you skeptics will stop and listen. Stay at home and stay away from people. The people who dont think this is dangerous are the ones who are most dangerous right now. You will be the spreaders. Will it take someone close to you to die for you to change?

In regards to the stats. They are massively skewed. Countries are overwhelmed. We are overwhelmed. People who have shown mild symptoms earlier on, were sent home and told to self quarantine without being tested and to rest and if symptoms worsen drastically then return. Nothing else was done. I suspect the cases may be double everything that you read. Today we read a report directly from another hospital in another country stating doctors were choosing who lives and dies.

Do you guys think WHO and CDC stand there with a piece of paper and check mark each death and each case. You guys would be blown away at how much is missed and isnt tracked. Why because doctors and nurses are too tired to count. Too over whelmed. Too much going on so fast. This isnt a movie. One patient to the next for hours and days on end.



For the people who want to take this serious here is some info below you all need to know about staying clean.

If you go to the grocery store which is a cess pool for germs, have hand cleaner with you. Think about the thousands of people going in and out daily. People picking up items and putting them back etc.

If you have hand cleaner in your pocket and reach in there to use it and have the virus on your hands, you just wiped it in your pocket so next time you go there, you may get it back on your hand.

Get your groceries. Do not touch yourself. When you get back to your car, use your cleaner and then get in. When you get home, remove your clothing and put it directly into the washing machine. Stay away from grocery stores as much as possible. Dont hoard but stock up so you dont have to return often.

When you pump gas...wash your hands before getting back into your car touching the steering wheel and shift.

Keep your hands off your face. Wash your hands. Wash your clothes. Stay away from people.

Do you think it's overkill to walk in your house and instantly wash your clothes? From what I see on the front lines, not even military action is overkill at this point.

Do your part people. Stay clean and stay safe. The virus doesnt care if you are too cool or think you are too intelligent for it.

When I saw that picture of President Trump standing in a room shoulder to shoulder with 20 people. I want to yell. Yes, they have most likely all been tested. But that is not the point. You are the leader of a country. You should be leading by example and if people see a president keeping his distance, they will follow. Instead, people see this and think all is good and they can do it too. Wrong.



I will try and post when I have new info when I can. We are overwhelmed right now, so time is tough to find. They are talking about putting me at the head of the test center they are opening up this week. So I may not be around to post updates but if I have time, I will try.

I am on my way back to the hospital in 45 minutes to deal with more and to help people. Will you all do your part and listen please? You may not be able to directly help with treatment but you can all help us with our anxiety by listening to the guidelines and stop spreading it. Dont panic, just be smart and do your part and LISTEN. This is not some sort of conspiracy.

 

[slotplayer]

Seems to always go back to Trump.

 

[ShadyFei]

Agree 100% but the problem is if one of these idiots had the virus and passed it to the others thats potentially hundreds of people that will be infected by the actions of 25 tossers.

It could be far worse. I think someone may have posted the video from this article earlier in this thread. Here’s a quote from the article:

"Normal flu, if I get that, I'm going to infect on average 1.3, 1.4 people ... by the time it's happened 10 times, I've been responsibly for about 14 cases of flu," Montgomery said.​

​

"This coronavirus is very, very infectious, so every person passes to it three, now that doesn't sound like much of a difference, but if each of those three pass it to three and that happens in 10 layers, I have been responsible for infecting 59,000 people."​

You do not have permission to view link Log in or register now.

You do not have permission to view link Log in or register now.

 

[slotplayer]

It could be far worse. I think someone may have posted the video from this article earlier in this thread. Here’s a quote from the article:

"Normal flu, if I get that, I'm going to infect on average 1.3, 1.4 people ... by the time it's happened 10 times, I've been responsibly for about 14 cases of flu," Montgomery said.​

​

"This coronavirus is very, very infectious, so every person passes to it three, now that doesn't sound like much of a difference, but if each of those three pass it to three and that happens in 10 layers, I have been responsible for infecting 59,000 people."​

You do not have permission to view link Log in or register now.

Someone already posted the Professor Montgomery video. I passed it on to a few people.

Here it is again.

 

[ShadyFei]

Seems to always go back to Trump.

Wow. That’s what you took away from that informative, urgent, and heartfelt post by @lockinlove ?

Seriously, get out of that destructive head space and get a grip.

 

[cncas2123]

Just browsed some of the posts quickly and I can understand some conspiracy theorists because of what we have seen in other situations throughout history.

You all have known for years I work in a management role in a large and well known hospital. I deal with this daily. I read all the reports from top health officials. I have meetings with CEO's of hospitals. I work around covid 19 patients. Daily.

This is not just some flu. We are almost at capacity for patients on ventilators and are awaiting help from our premier. This is very dangerous, this is very contagious and this is very serious. I have worked at a hospital for almost 20 years now and I have never seen anything like this before. As a matter of fact life long doctors and surgeons at my hospital have not seen anything like this before. Alot of these doctors and nurses were around when H1N1 and sars happened.

When ICU doctors and nurses tell you they are worried. They deal with and see everything possible. When they are worried, you should be too.

Seniors are most vulnerable..to death. But young people have died, young people are fighting for their life and young people will have permanent damage.

Will you guys listen to someone who is on the front lines? Will you stop looking and searching for articles that will comfort you? I have zero reason to post here during this aside from maybe some of you skeptics will stop and listen. Stay at home and stay away from people. The people who dont think this is dangerous are the ones who are most dangerous right now. You will be the spreaders. Will it take someone close to you to die for you to change?

In regards to the stats. They are massively skewed. Countries are overwhelmed. We are overwhelmed. People who have shown mild symptoms earlier on, were sent home and told to self quarantine without being tested and to rest and if symptoms worsen drastically then return. Nothing else was done. I suspect the cases may be double everything that you read. Today we read a report directly from another hospital in another country stating doctors were choosing who lives and dies.

Do you guys think WHO and CDC stand there with a piece of paper and check mark each death and each case. You guys would be blown away at how much is missed and isnt tracked. Why because doctors and nurses are too tired to count. Too over whelmed. Too much going on so fast. This isnt a movie. One patient to the next for hours and days on end.



For the people who want to take this serious here is some info below you all need to know about staying clean.

If you go to the grocery store which is a cess pool for germs, have hand cleaner with you. Think about the thousands of people going in and out daily. People picking up items and putting them back etc.

If you have hand cleaner in your pocket and reach in there to use it and have the virus on your hands, you just wiped it in your pocket so next time you go there, you may get it back on your hand.

Get your groceries. Do not touch yourself. When you get back to your car, use your cleaner and then get in. When you get home, remove your clothing and put it directly into the washing machine. Stay away from grocery stores as much as possible. Dont hoard but stock up so you dont have to return often.

When you pump gas...wash your hands before getting back into your car touching the steering wheel and shift.

Keep your hands off your face. Wash your hands. Wash your clothes. Stay away from people.

Do you think it's overkill to walk in your house and instantly wash your clothes? From what I see on the front lines, not even military action is overkill at this point.

Do your part people. Stay clean and stay safe. The virus doesnt care if you are too cool or think you are too intelligent for it.

When I saw that picture of President Trump standing in a room shoulder to shoulder with 20 people. I want to yell. Yes, they have most likely all been tested. But that is not the point. You are the leader of a country. You should be leading by example and if people see a president keeping his distance, they will follow. Instead, people see this and think all is good and they can do it too. Wrong.



I will try and post when I have new info when I can. We are overwhelmed right now, so time is tough to find. They are talking about putting me at the head of the test center they are opening up this week. So I may not be around to post updates but if I have time, I will try.

I am on my way back to the hospital in 45 minutes to deal with more and to help people. Will you all do your part and listen please? You may not be able to directly help with treatment but you can all help us with our anxiety by listening to the guidelines and stop spreading it. Dont panic, just be smart and do your part and LISTEN. This is not some sort of conspiracy.

Anybody who reads this post and can still say its a flu, conspiracy, only affects the old etc are truly beyond hope.
An excellent and eloquent post, and its important that you have given first hand testimony to what is actually going on. This must be truly emotionally devastating for you and your colleagues and for all involved in the frontline services and I hope you will all get the support you need and deserve.

 

[slotplayer]

Wow. That’s what you took away from that informative, urgent, and heartfelt post by @lockinlove ?

Seriously, get out of that destructive head space and get a grip.

Go back and read your lecture. You mentioned him to.

There is no need to take cheap shots at Trump at every opportunity just because you don't like him. Harry did it to in the COVID19 thread.

 

[Borgie]

Go back and read your lecture. You mentioned him to.

There is no need to take cheap shots at Trump at every opportunity just because you don't like him. Harry did it to in the COVID19.

I think you should go back and reread lockinlove post. Let's put trump to one side. Love him or hate him .

Now try and find something meaningful to comment on from that post because it's a brilliant post and so much to learn and take from it. A lot of thought time and effort was taken to explain stuff to us from a front line perspective and you from all that start on about trump.....

 

[slotplayer]

I think you should go back and reread lockinlove post. Let's put trump to one side. Love him or hate him .

Now try and find something meaningful to comment on from that post because it's a brilliant post and so much to learn and take from it. A lot of thought time and effort was taken to explain stuff to us from a front line perspective and you from all that start on about trump.....

I read her post. It was great. It never escaped me what it might be like for those on the front lines. Just the opposite.

Just as I thought earlier this morning what it is like for the truckers getting food to us and those on the cargo ships not being able to go home after their 1 month+ trans-Atlantic run was up. Same for all the first responders like the police and fire department in NYC or the guys from Guatemala and Argentina down at the 24 gas station store on my street doing a 12 shift with masks and gloves on.

Trust me not much escapes me, I don't have my head in the sand.

 

[Reelsoffun]

Leave 'em to it. They can have their dumb-ass party but forfeit NHS treatment

Simples

*bar the kids

Totally agree, these people and any others that feel the rules don't apply to them need arresting and or fined, plus to be made exempt from any NHS treatment for a total of 60 days.

Then people might start to realize that "actions have consequences"

Until much stricter punishments are dished on this sort of behavior there will always be these muppets thinking the rules don't apply to them.

Total disgrace, and the people concerned should be totally ashamed of their actions.

 

[Guntis]

Does anybody have a spare an hour and a half?

I'm sure I watched this movie in 2011 but since at the moment, everyone is talking about it, decided to watch it once again.
The movie is about a similar situation in the world as now; the US, China, bat virus, cough, vaccine, isolation etc.

 

[Kroffe]

Does anybody have a spare an hour and a half?

I'm sure I watched this movie in 2011 but since at the moment, everyone is talking about it, decided to watch it once again.
The movie is about a similar situation in the world as now; the US, China, bat virus, cough, vaccine, isolation etc.

Cheers.

I was going to watch bandits sunday slot thingy since i saw it popped up on youtube.
Figured it maybe would be one of the rare sensible sessions.
Nope.
Fast forward 20 minutes and its chasing tops on reel king and £40 spins on danger high voltage.
What a joke.

 

[Kroffe]

Oh, and if people want to watch contagion, but dont feel like downloading it you can watch it on Hdfy.

Just google "hdfy streaming" and one of the top links will lead you to the site.
I wont link it here because im not 100% sure how legal the site is.
Anyways, theres tons of movies/shows on there.

 

[mina1929]

In AU stage 3 restrictions now.

I am very scared of this virus and everybody else should be as well.

Its just not only the elderly people that could die its also babies, young children with low immune or chronic illnesses that are in danger

People that are doing the right thing with social distancing and self isolating are heroes to me

@lockinlove great post, that's reality

 

[sueyh]

Go back and read your lecture. You mentioned him to.

There is no need to take cheap shots at Trump at every opportunity just because you don't like him. Harry did it to in the COVID19 thread.

Trump is not the only politician who is mentioned here. A lot of posts that mentioned UK PM , and a few of other politicians too. Most of them are criticism about them.
And any other forums that has a thread about Covid-19, a lot of politicians-especially president, PM are criticized too.

Trump is the head of one of the biggest country in the world. It is very normal that his name is mentioned both in a good way and a bad way when there is world wide crisis.
I'm just wondering what kind of USA you want to build with Trump? The country under dictatorship where people cannot say anything bad about the president?

 

[mack341]

Due to boredom and wanting to keep abreast of the alternative theories surrounding this virus, I ventured onto mr icke's forum where there is a mega thread on this topic. I just looked at the last few pages for the latest posts. [ as it runs for over 300 pages ]

A post that caught my attention relates to Dr Fauci predicting in Jan 2017 that there would be a surprise outbreak of an infection in this administration's term of office. I couldn't find a clip without the deep state reference. Not saying this is proof of a conspiracy but disappointing that the major governments haven't been better prepared with masks, hand sanitisers etc..if such a high profile person as Fauci [director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases ] was certain it would occur.




This other video is slightly more concerning to me, people in hazmat suits, all masked up etc.. [better equipped than some of the nurses & docs, it looks to me] putting letters through resident's doors to say one of their neighbours? has died of the virus, when the person filming is convinced they just saw the person alive with the police taking him to the hospital, make of it what you will as it's difficult to hear what the officials are saying:




Edit: These vids are posted simply because I found them of interest, I'm not trying to upset anyone or belittle this virus, something that can kill many people especially the vulnerable.

 

[mack341]

This is a vid from the sun's youtube channel, not sure what to make of it:




Edit: poor lady, but I don't understand why she couldn't just give them a list.

 

[dionysus]

You do not have permission to view link Log in or register now.