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I've been out last 2 days; everyone was more pressed together and chatty than the opposite

You missed the news why they closed service Canada and in grocery stores, Trust me people are yelling at you to stay away and getting in a fist fight, Than the crime is going up is another thing. Welcome to the city of Barrie!:D
 
Down the street from my workplace, truck smashes through a store. People desperate for food, smokes, money or all 3.

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You missed the news why they closed service Canada and in grocery stores, Trust me people are yelling at you to stay away and getting in a fist fight, Than the crime is going up is another thing. Welcome to the city of Barrie!:D
yes, well, that's a typical Friday pre-pandemic Barrie, no? :P
 
So supermarkets and everything is shut down in your area?
downtown wouldnt surpirse me; the liqour store got closed because of all the crazies (again, pre-crisis)

fyi the article
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No supermarkets and stores like in the pic are still open, but people are still waiting for social assistance to come.
Cheques wouldnt come til the 1st because it's mid-week; pensions came out on time
 
Because it is difficult AF. I worked for a biotech company developing gene therapy for Type 1 diabetes. An idea from basic research to an actual functional therapy can take 20 years, if it ever gets off the ground at all.

When I left the company, they were at the pig trial stage. Yes, there are several levels of animal trials that take years before human clinical trials can be considered.

Failure is a daily occurrence punctuated by brief and glorious moments of success. That’s what research is and why it takes so long. And I won’t even get started on the funding side of it.

You worked in biotech, try to explain this away, posted by someone in the healthcare field.

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The ‘gold standard’ in testing for COVID-19 is laboratory isolated/purified coronavirus particles free from any contaminants and particles that look like viruses but are not, that have been proven to be the cause of the syndrome known as COVID-19 and obtained by using proper viral isolation methods and controls (not the PCR that is currently being used or Serology /antibody tests which do not detect virus as such). PCR basically takes a sample of your cells and amplifies any DNA to look for ‘viral sequences’, i.e. bits of non-human DNA that seem to match parts of a known viral genome.

The problem is the test is known not to work.

It uses ‘amplification’ which means taking a very very tiny amount of DNA and growing it exponentially until it can be analyzed. Obviously any minute contaminations in the sample will also be amplified leading to potentially gross errors of discovery.

Additionally, it’s only looking for partial viral sequences, not whole genomes, so identifying a single pathogen is next to impossible even if you ignore the other issues.
The New Coronavirus Outbreak, COVID-19, Sounds Menacing and Is

The Mickey Mouse test kits being sent out to hospitals, at best, tell analysts you have some viral DNA in your cells. Which most of us do, most of the time. It may tell you the viral sequence is related to a specific type of virus – say the huge family of coronavirus. But that’s all. The idea these kits can isolate a specific virus like COVID-19 is nonsense.

And that’s not even getting into the other issue – viral load.

If you remember the PCR works by amplifying minute amounts of DNA. It therefore is useless at telling you how much virus you may have. And that’s the only question that really matters when it comes to diagnosing illness. Everyone will have a few virus kicking round in their system at any time, and most will not cause illness because their quantities are too small. For a virus to sicken you you need a lot of it, a massive amount of it. But PCR does not test viral load and therefore can’t determine if it is present in sufficient quantities to sicken you.

If you feel sick and get a PCR test any random virus DNA might be identified even if they aren’t at all involved in your sickness which leads to false diagnosis.

And coronavirus are incredibly common. A large percentage of the world human population will have covi DNA in them in small quantities even if they are perfectly well or sick with some other pathogen.

Do you see where this is going yet? If you want to create a totally false panic about a totally false pandemic – pick a coronavirus.

They are incredibly common and there’s tons of them. A very high percentage of people who have become sick by other means (flu, bacterial pneumonia, anything) will have a positive

PCR test for covi even if you’re doing them properly and ruling out contamination, simply because covis are so common.

There are hundreds of thousands of flu and pneumonia victims in hospitals throughout the world at any one time.
 
For anybody who thinks this is just a flu check the number of flu deaths in the 2018/19 season in the UK.
It was 312 deaths ...... compare that to over 1000 deaths in the UK since this started and how many we have had in the last 3 days.
Anyone peddling this bull that it’s a flu, it’s a conspiracy, it’s the Pharmaco’s just get your head out of the clouds and come back to the real world.
 
Your country just haven't reported them yet.
there's a few new deaths today but the numbers otherwise seem right and up to date and being reported (the graph is a bit out but barely) - it would bring us around to 60

As of Friday afternoon, federal and provincial health authorities were reporting more than 4,500 Canadian cases of COVID-19, with 53 deaths.
 
basically, add a small handful to this as 2 days (almost) have passed

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Quebec accounts for nealry half the cases in Canada despite having a very proactive approach from the start. We got screwed by having our spring break a week early; many young travelers got infected in other countries and unknowingly brought it back home. NYC is a prime destination during the spring break here, unfortunately.

Montreal is starting to get hit. Hard.
 
You worked in biotech, try to explain this away, posted by someone in the healthcare field.

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The ‘gold standard’ in testing for COVID-19 is laboratory isolated/purified coronavirus particles free from any contaminants and particles that look like viruses but are not, that have been proven to be the cause of the syndrome known as COVID-19 and obtained by using proper viral isolation methods and controls (not the PCR that is currently being used or Serology /antibody tests which do not detect virus as such). PCR basically takes a sample of your cells and amplifies any DNA to look for ‘viral sequences’, i.e. bits of non-human DNA that seem to match parts of a known viral genome.

The problem is the test is known not to work.

It uses ‘amplification’ which means taking a very very tiny amount of DNA and growing it exponentially until it can be analyzed. Obviously any minute contaminations in the sample will also be amplified leading to potentially gross errors of discovery.

Additionally, it’s only looking for partial viral sequences, not whole genomes, so identifying a single pathogen is next to impossible even if you ignore the other issues.
The New Coronavirus Outbreak, COVID-19, Sounds Menacing and Is

The Mickey Mouse test kits being sent out to hospitals, at best, tell analysts you have some viral DNA in your cells. Which most of us do, most of the time. It may tell you the viral sequence is related to a specific type of virus – say the huge family of coronavirus. But that’s all. The idea these kits can isolate a specific virus like COVID-19 is nonsense.

And that’s not even getting into the other issue – viral load.

If you remember the PCR works by amplifying minute amounts of DNA. It therefore is useless at telling you how much virus you may have. And that’s the only question that really matters when it comes to diagnosing illness. Everyone will have a few virus kicking round in their system at any time, and most will not cause illness because their quantities are too small. For a virus to sicken you you need a lot of it, a massive amount of it. But PCR does not test viral load and therefore can’t determine if it is present in sufficient quantities to sicken you.

If you feel sick and get a PCR test any random virus DNA might be identified even if they aren’t at all involved in your sickness which leads to false diagnosis.

And coronavirus are incredibly common. A large percentage of the world human population will have covi DNA in them in small quantities even if they are perfectly well or sick with some other pathogen.

Do you see where this is going yet? If you want to create a totally false panic about a totally false pandemic – pick a coronavirus.

They are incredibly common and there’s tons of them. A very high percentage of people who have become sick by other means (flu, bacterial pneumonia, anything) will have a positive

PCR test for covi even if you’re doing them properly and ruling out contamination, simply because covis are so common.

There are hundreds of thousands of flu and pneumonia victims in hospitals throughout the world at any one time.

I've read the whole article, because it sounded interesting. So I ended up on an anti-globalist conspiracy "research" site with an article that cites an anonymous source on an internet forum. Now, I like a bit of conspiracy now and then but you know as well as me and everybody around here that forums aren't really the best sources. Everybody can tout they're in healthcare. If you want to be credible you go on record, imo.

I agree we need better tests (Spain claims only 30% of the tests they received from China actually work) and we should get all the statistics. How many people are actually being tested is probably the most interesting one because the numbers we get now are hard to put in perspective.
 
Quebec accounts for nealry half the cases in Canada despite having a very proactive approach from the start. We got screwed by having our spring break a week early; many young travelers got infected in other countries and unknowingly brought it back home. NYC is a prime destination during the spring break here, unfortunately.

Montreal is starting to get hit. Hard.

Montreal is now under A state of emergency. Police can basically do what they need to do in The name of public safety.
 
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I've read the whole article, because it sounded interesting. So I ended up on an anti-globalist conspiracy "research" site with an article that cites an anonymous source on an internet forum. Now, I like a bit of conspiracy now and then but you know as well as me and everybody around here that forums aren't really the best sources. Everybody can tout they're in healthcare. If you want to be credible you go on record, imo.

I agree we need better tests (Spain claims only 30% of the tests they received from China actually work) and we should get all the statistics. How many people are actually being tested is probably the most interesting one because the numbers we get now are hard to put in perspective.

Yep that is the point, there is no know working test for it per that post, so the alarm bells are going off, therefore how can a country report lets saying 300 deaths in a day, with a test that cannot say 100% you have it?! the explanation could be like the post says, they are not dying of corona, but a test that says you have some in you, which is very possible even if you are not sick and don't have it, but they are just labelling all deaths as corona? it does not add up.
 
A very important point which is not broadcast is a one that is a saving grace for Doctors,Nurses,Paramedics and NHS workers in general. That point is that we are all told not to attend hospital until we are feeling acute difficulty in breathing with this virus. The point where you get to that stage is usually after quite some days with the virus.
But after 3 days max the virus itself has left the body and you are no longer able to transmit the virus to others. What you are dealing with are the symptoms of it which is quite different.
That is not to say that it can not be passed on via visitors or healthcare workers who attend a hospital that do not know they have it yet.
So testing everyone before anyone enters a hospital seems to be ultra important and the waiting until a person is acutely struggling seems to have been a very wise move from the off.

The fact that they can not really determine the differences between the many different corona viruses and the fact that most of us would test positive with having had a corona virus at some point really does open a huge can of worms

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JUST FOR PERSPECTIVE...

SEASONAL FLU:
650,000 Deaths Annually


COVID-19:
30,943 FROM DEC 2019-TODAY

take from that what you will...
Seriously?? You think this is a normal flu? 1,000 people will die today in Italy. 1,000 people will die today in Spain. This virus is 3 months old, it has killed 30,000 people in 3 months, It is now in every country in the world. The UK think they will be lucky if 20,000 only die. 312 people died last year in the UK from flu, 4 times that amount have died in 3 weeks and 60 times more will die in the coming weeks.
And you think this is the flu..... I hope and pray neither you, your family or your friends discover at first hand that this isnt the flu.
 
Where do you get those figures? The WHO state 290000-650000 deaths.
Pulled from an article at global research, but I'll accept the WHO stats, doesn't alter the perspective much, covid19 is only 10% of the average deathtoll of the annual flu (if using 290,000),
with an average mortality rate of 1-3% of confirmed cases covid19 only just recently surpassed the total fatalities from SARS. Not trying to downplay or minimize the issue, merely providing some context.
 
Looking at the covid situation in South Africa,I seriously think millions could die there if the rates increase
at the rates they are in Europe,They dont have the facilities or mindset to self isolate and the medical
facilities are woeful in the poor areas.Not blaming the people,they have nothing and are living 10 to a single
room in some places.Ok if you are rich some of the hospitals are top notch, at least well up ours but only
for the chosen few
 
Pulled from an article at global research, but I'll accept the WHO stats, doesn't alter the perspective much, covid19 is only 10% of the average deathtoll of the annual flu (if using 290,000),
with an average mortality rate of 1-3% of confirmed cases covid19 only just recently surpassed the total fatalities from SARS. Not trying to downplay or minimize the issue, merely providing some context.

Yes but its only over the last month or so that this has spread properly worldwide isn't it, so 30k deaths isn't a yearly figure, its more like 4-6 weeks, and the infection rate is much higher than 'normal' flu so chances are the deaths will go up a lot more.

I do think the mortality rate is lower than stated though. Like here they are only really testing people in ICU or hospital aren't they, so clearly the mortality rate is going to be abnormally high, if you are ill enough to be in ICU, then chances are you are, or have been, in danger of dying. There could be another 10 million people in the UK alone had it and recovered without being tested, therefore the percentage is obviously wrong. Until we have wide scale testing then surely the mortality rate is just a guess.
 
Finally people are slowly waking up to the reality to this lockdown.

When I mentioned a week ago how the debt and poverty ahead is worse than the risk of death the amount of abuse certain posters sent my way was ridiculous. But now as the weeks go by into the lockdown, the tide is turning, people are already starting to lose the patience on the lockdown and rightly so.

People in Italy are rebelling and starting to loot and riot, and the longer it goes on here the more this will happen.

I give it two weeks before people realise whats after corona is way worse than corona itself, the New York Gov ruled out a lockdown and thats the worse hit area in America. It is disturbing that the Americans are the rational ones on this topic as they are usually the ones being the most over the top.

Infact it's impossible to find a politician in America wanting a lockdown, because they know it will collapse the economy, someone needs to wake u in this government and give it a week or two max and get back to normal, the talk of June before the lockdown is over will not happen and if it does expect serious troubles on the street.
 
Dunover's Sunday Shopping Report #2

Yep, quiet again. I took my own bleach spray with me to disinfect trolley, got in the store and some lad was doing it again.

People consciously avoiding each other, very few with those pointless face masks.

Plenty of eggs, fresh veg etc. although fresh meat low. Only things missing were pasta and rice (as usual), tinned tuna and baked beans cleared and no bog rolls this week. Luckily have a decent supply of all those things anyway so weren't on the list. Apparently the NHS had special 07:00-08:00 exclusive shopping so cleared them all out. So pretty normal shop, special queueing arrangements at the tills with the old 'social distancing' and the checkouts has Perspex screens around the workers which is good to see. I asked about illness and was told no cases among the staff yet, but asthmatics were told not to work.

Lots of cyclists and joggers out and families on walks, all crossing each other on pavements though. When you exercise you exhale with far greater force so that is risky IMO.
 
Finally people are slowly waking up to the reality to this lockdown.

When I mentioned a week ago how the debt and poverty ahead is worse than the risk of death the amount of abuse certain posters sent my way was ridiculous. But now as the weeks go by into the lockdown, the tide is turning, people are already starting to lose the patience on the lockdown and rightly so.

People in Italy are rebelling and starting to loot and riot, and the longer it goes on here the more this will happen.

I give it two weeks before people realise whats after corona is way worse than corona itself, the New York Gov ruled out a lockdown and thats the worse hit area in America. It is disturbing that the Americans are the rational ones on this topic as they are usually the ones being the most over the top.

Infact it's impossible to find a politician in America wanting a lockdown, because they know it will collapse the economy, someone needs to wake u in this government and give it a week or two max and get back to normal, the talk of June before the lockdown is over will not happen and if it does expect serious troubles on the street.

Yep see here.

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a snippet from the beginning of it.

The Corona Virus Disease 2019 or “Covid-19” is a coronavirus similar to the virus that causes pneumonia. Covid-19 is a danger to at-risk groups including the elderly and the chronically ill.
If you are not elderly and if you are in good health you have virtually no chance of dying from it.

For the vast majority of the population, Covid-19 is no more dangerous than the common cold. This is backed up by statistics already being reported across Western publications and based on information derived from China’s outbreak where the virus first appeared.

Compared to cancer, heart disease, substance abuse, or car accidents – Covid-19 is relatively harmless. But it has been put in the spotlight by deliberately dishonest, selective reporting that focuses on generating hysteria by presenting out-of-context information to an ignorant and easily panicked public.

If there is no global concern or massive mobilization over cancer and heart disease – conditions that claim far more lives than any virus – why the sudden hysteria and “concern” .

If that isn’t convincing enough, simply scrutinize content you’re already reading – especially regarding Covid-19 deaths – and see how old and in what health those are in reportedly dying from Covid-19. Many paragraphs down – far from the hysteria-generating headlines – you will find that those dying are already chronically ill, advanced in age, and/or already at risk whether it was Covid-19 or the common cold.

When deaths are reported without context they easily create panic.

When the number of Covid-19 deaths are put into perspective in relation to past outbreaks – or even side-by-side with the annual common flu virus- we see just how unwarranted the current wave of hysteria is and how overreactions from governments are aimed more at saving face and assuaging public panic than preserving public health.
 

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