Corona virus - Covid 19 discussion

[pinnit2014]

Yes, you are completely right. I am done with fighting over this subject as you can see in the post above

No, you've still one more round to go with the quacks - don't give up now.

 

[cncas2123]

We use Dexamethason now. Apparently it works better.

Dexamethasone has been proven in clinical trials to reduce the morbidity of Covid-19 patients, something that HCQ was never proven to do, but it isnt a true therapeutic for Covid-19.
There is still no known cure for it, there is no proven medicine that will prevent it and we still see thousands upon thousands contracting it every day, and the worldwide death toll is rising.

 

[mack341]

Anyday of the week compared some others like this one, a plastic surgeon who had his own TV show:

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Anyway, my last serious post in this topic. How it's handled should be science driven, scientists should instead of writing open letters and confuse the general public discuss this with colleagues. The handling of this virus has been pure politics right from the start and we notice that now with cases soaring, hospitalisations rising and ultimately the death toll will too. All because of what? People with a different political opinion. Virologists and other experts in the field getting death threats because of their professional opinion by anti-vaxxers and other conspiracy nutcases. Sad.

You have to make a judgement regarding the science, [the politicians and govt that is] to balance off various factors and other harms. Science will tell you that if we halve the speed limits we could reduce deaths from motor accidents immediately, but we don't, a balance is struck.

It has not been struck regarding this virus, to do that there needs to be a proper debate as that open letter states. The science is also in question regarding the tests, that is nothing to do with anti-vaxxers or conspiracy theories.

 

[cncas2123]

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[mack341]

Yes, you are completely right. I am done with fighting over this subject as you can see in the post above

I've never said I am completely right, I'd take 20%!

I've posted the opinions from medical doctors, it's just for people to debate if they wish to.

Unfortunately this lockdown issue/virus is not going away anytime soon.

 

[goatwack]

That may well be true, but of far greater immediate concern is my pizza delivery

As evidenced here, he (or she) has opted to renege on following the fairly straight route, and have backed up on themselves, like some demented loon.

Could they be eating my pizza?

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Are you suggesting all these 390 odd doctors and the other 1,000 nurses etc.. are quacks?

On balance I'm going to go with people such as Isabella Eckerle, as opposed to what is basically a form on the internet that invites random non-verified self-stated chemists in Belgium to fill it in.

 

[geordiecolin]

Yeah its the same round here.

Granddaughter was at a Birthday Party down the street today, bouncy castle, about 8 kids. Bear in mind most are at school together 5 days a week, some sad twat phoned the police on them

Who the fuck rings the police on a few kids playing on a bouncy castle, aged between 4 and 7 ffs. Were about 5 adults there, all social distancing, which was obvious from the way they were all sitting on chairs 2m+ apart.

Police turned up, said someone in the street had complained that social distancing wasn't being adhered to, and that more than 2 households were together. He said everything was fine the way it was. What a waste of their time.

I've just shopped the Brighton Goalkeeper for making a 700 mile round trip to Newcastle for no good reason

 

[mack341]

On balance I'm going to go with people such as Isabella Eckerle, as opposed to what is basically a form on the internet that invites random non-verified self-stated chemists in Belgium to fill it in.

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No, no Chop not james o'brien, please, such an obnoxious oaf with no manners, and all round shill for the governing class, shame he wasn't particularly notable in the old days of private eye.

So instead of debating the points in that letter [HCQ aside] it's easier to dismiss the signatories as randoms.

Given your labour affliations I cannot understand how you are underplaying the other side of the balance sheet, the untreated illnesses, redundancies and worse.

You're actually pro-matt hancock and other assorted tory minions; whereas sweden's approach, the land of the liberal, interests you not one jot ?

 

[Playford7]

One of the "doctors" who was involved in that open letter has been convicted for illegally selling growth hormones to "clients" as a non-aging cure

Anyway, I welcome different opinions. From non-quacks if possible.

Edit: to add, he also holds lectures on Facebook how masks don't help etc.

You a contact number? Decent growth costs fortunes.

 

[mack341]

Sorry for the long quote below, was surprised the article wasn't paywalled so copied much of it while I could:

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19 sept 2020

Prof Carl Heneghan University of Oxford and director of the Centre for Evidence-Based Medicine [ I would love to hear him discuss tests with mr James o'b ]

How many Covid diagnoses are false positives?

Test, test, test

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the WHO. And globally, that’s what everyone did: tests have detected more than 14 million cases of Sars-CoV-2 so far. The thinking goes: turn up, have your test, and if positive, you must have the disease. But that’s far from the truth. When virus levels in the population are very low, the chances of a test accurately detecting Covid-19 could be even less than 50 per cent – for reasons that are not widely understood.

To unravel the confusion, let’s think about what happens when the virus level is low – which it is in Britain at the moment. The latest ONS

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is that about 0.04 per cent, or one in 2,300 people, had the virus at any point between 6 and 12 July. But for ease of calculation, let’s imagine the real infection level is higher: that 1 in 1,000 of us have the virus. Or 0.1 per cent.

And let’s imagine again that, in this scenario, 10,000 random people go for a Covid-19 test. With the infection level at 0.1 per cent, just ten people will have Sars-CoV-2 and 9,990 will not. Of the ten who turn up with an infection, 80 per cent will test positive, meaning eight people will be correctly identified while two walk away with a false negative.

And of the 9,990 not infected, all but ten will be correctly diagnosed as negative: hence the success rate of 99.9 per cent (the specificity). But ten will be told they have Covid-19, when in fact they don’t. That leaves us with 18 positive tests: eight from people who genuinely had the virus and ten who did not. So only eight out of 18 (44 per cent) of the infections are real. That’s where the chance of accurately detecting the disease being less than 50 per cent comes from.

Problems with test accuracy are likely to be more of an issue globally. The current US Centers for Disease Control test kits can

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up to 30 per cent false positives even in their best laboratories. Highly accurate tests can prove costly – more than £100 per test. So, we shouldn’t be surprised that in poorer countries, highly questionable cheaper alternative tests, which cost less than £3, have been distributed and

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. A recent BMJ

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reported that the specificity of PCR tests could be as low as 95 per cent, as PCR test performance can be much worse in low prevalence community settings. This would mean that, in our hypothetical of 10,000 tests, we’d have 500 false positives amongst the eight genuine positives. So the hundreds of false-positive Covid-19 results would dwarf the genuine results – meaning an apparent surge in infections that is not followed by a corresponding surge in hospital admissions or deaths.

At very low prevalence, the proportion of people with infection falls and the numbers of falsely misdiagnosed increases. If Covid-19 completely disappears, then of our 10,000, no one will be infected. If you have followed the reasoning so far, you will have worked out this means that ten people would still be wrongly diagnosed as positive and the official data would show a national Covid-19 prevalence of 0.1 per cent. This is why understanding the accuracy of tests in the population that they are applied to matters: going off current testing practices and results, Covid-19 might never be shown to disappear.

Professor Carl Heneghan is director of Oxford’s Centre for Evidence-Based Medicine.


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So when you balance the above information to the imminent govt lockdown actions, based on test results, there are questions to be answered by the uk govt [and WHO etc]. They seem to be frightened of having to answer any questions.

The rate of hospitalizations, and the general severity of symptoms would seem to be a better basis for making these big decisions on restrictions [a pub having to shut at 10pm, doesn't seem to me the end of the world, but children being allowed into school and families meeting, shops remaining open etc..]

 

[Borgie]

Top advisers to hold urgent briefing as UK hits 'critical point'

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Sent via @updayUK

 

[geordiecolin]

From the protest where 30 people where arrested which was filmed by Anna Brees who left working from the main stream media because of the lack of ability to be an investigative journalist by big corporations.
I know she has not got a history that is bullet proof but it at least gives another side of the argument

 

[Playford7]

I’ve seen lots of footage of the protests, just like I did at the Dover protests regarding the migrant issue.

yes some language was used but it was the police kettling them in, it was the police pushing and shoving...

Oddly we didn’t see this when the BLM nonsense protest, now I’m pro police but the behaviour from them regarding the above mentioned protests is abhorrent..

we can’t expect MSM to tell the truth as the BBC backlash proves, But some coverage would of been nice, just like the Birmingham stabbing by the immigrant, can’t broadcast that as it’s racist...

when it becomes a agenda rather than news and certain aspects are ignored it gets pretty wrong.

 

[geordiecolin]

I’ve seen lots of footage of the protests, just like I did at the Dover protests regarding the migrant issue.

yes some language was used but it was the police kettling them in, it was the police pushing and shoving...

Oddly we didn’t see this when the BLM nonsense protest, now I’m pro police but the behaviour from them regarding the above mentioned protests is abhorrent..

we can’t expect MSM to tell the truth as the BBC backlash proves, But some coverage would of been nice, just like the Birmingham stabbing by the immigrant, can’t broadcast that as it’s racist...

when it becomes a agenda rather than news and certain aspects are ignored it gets pretty wrong.

I would like to see some debate on msm where folk could be allowed to listen to the sides of all realistic arguments rather than them all getting de-platformed and removed from anything that most people are able to easily access

 

[goatwack]

Earlier there was a tweet from the 'NHS', which was pulled down faster than you can say 'hoax'

Cryptic in nature but likely fake, it gave a checklist of what to prep in case of evac!





So make of that what you will. But me thinks someone's trying to rile people up as everyone's kind of one edge as it is. Fake News!

 

[Playford7]

Earlier there was a tweet from the 'NHS', which was pulled down faster than you can say 'hoax'

Cryptic in nature but likely fake, it gave a checklist of what to prep in case of evac!

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So make of that what you will. But me thinks someone's trying to rile people up as everyone's kind of one edge as it is. Fake News!

Thing is the karen’s and silly sods may take this as gospel..

just like the daft twats stockpiling and lining up outside supermarkets when this piffle started.

yes people died of Covid, people die of cancer also, strokes and suicide..

Not being Blaise about this, but in the U.K. it’s really not that dangerous, those over 70 whom feel at risk then stay home and drink tea.

us whom need money to work and pay for kids we had willingly then let us go out and provide for them, I want nothing from the government, day by day my willingness to comply with this BS gets less..

sorry but in the U.K. Covid is about as dangerous as a great white attack, utter nonsense.

 

[Playford7]

Ribeye steak, home grown green beans in garlic butter, potatoes thinly sliced and seasoned.

bit of salad, to drink Ribena..

Simple and utterly gorgeous just like me haha!..

Best regards folks
Ben

 

[mack341]

Earlier there was a tweet from the 'NHS', which was pulled down faster than you can say 'hoax'

Cryptic in nature but likely fake, it gave a checklist of what to prep in case of evac!

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So make of that what you will. But me thinks someone's trying to rile people up as everyone's kind of one edge as it is. Fake News!

evacuation! where're we meant to go I hope the uk govt hasn't been secretly constructing FEMA camps in wales

Interesting though if it's the nhs own twitter account, could be the govt trying to create another toilet roll and tin food rush, then when bojo appears with the news next friday 'oh well a 2 week lockdown, it's not too bad, lucky we stocked up' etc..

I was remembering the other day, how before the start of the march lockdown, there were all those rumours of the army being called out to patrol the streets, so when it didn't happen it made the lockdown seem less foreboding, and less panic inducing.

 

[bowki]

Ribeye steak, home grown green beans in garlic butter, potatoes thinly sliced and seasoned.

Oof Brother, you need a better pan. I recommend one made of iron. Your steak looks good on the inside but you really need a better crust on the outside. The beans look great though.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Really great look for not a single government minister to bother to turn up for a critical press conference.

I suppose we should know better than to expect Johnson to put in an appearance, but to leave it all to the advisors with no support from the government side at all, and to not take any questions, is really shit.

 

[geordiecolin]

Earlier there was a tweet from the 'NHS', which was pulled down faster than you can say 'hoax'

Cryptic in nature but likely fake, it gave a checklist of what to prep in case of evac!

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So make of that what you will. But me thinks someone's trying to rile people up as everyone's kind of one edge as it is. Fake News!

I am just going to think that it is just a pre-prepared message among many pre prepared messages that are concocted to be sent out covering any eventuality and it was accidentally tweeted out. Or someone sent it out just before they where escorted out of the building by security

 

[Slottery]

We can keep posting different articles from different papers, still outcome is that none of these people is 100% sure for many things around COVID, it takes bit longer research and time to follow it. Most of these virologist just start to agree that this is not that bad what worse case scenario was made in March/April.

Can also post one random guy opinion here, based on people in hospitals and even getting infected in place where virus has been spreading quite free (worse places at the moment seem to be places which had most strict lockdowns and people only saw virus from TV).

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Not buying any of these stories posted here to be right one, there are thousands of opinions, all based on very limited knowledge as there simply haven't been time to for much research. Just happy that this country seem not to start lock downs after evert two months and then get numbers back up like it seem to happen almost everywhere where done. Well working vaccine is still just something in dreams for future which can happen or not.

 

[cncas2123]

Really great look for not a single government minister to bother to turn up for a critical press conference.

I suppose we should know better than to expect Johnson to put in an appearance, but to leave it all to the scientists with no support from the government side at all, and to not take any questions, is really shit.

Surprisingly enough @ChopleyIOM I have agreed with virtually everything that you have posted over the last few weeks on this thread, but I disagree slightly on this one.
For me the visuals that this gives, that its pure science, nothing political and in no way party influenced is far greater than if BoJo and co had been there.
BoJo has made a meal of this, though I dont think anyone had much hope of coming through this smelling of roses and he was always on to a loser, but on this one I think he is right to get the science front and centre and take away from the past political f@@k ups that have been happening throughout the pandemic.

 

[geordiecolin]

Really great look for not a single government minister to bother to turn up for a critical press conference.

I suppose we should know better than to expect Johnson to put in an appearance, but to leave it all to the advisors with no support from the government side at all, and to not take any questions, is really shit.

They are still making their way back from grouse shooting in Yorkshire where over 120 toffs have spent their weekend together. Lock down rules and max 6 does not apply to them