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babs7262

Banned User
Joined
Oct 9, 2006
Location
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I am posting this message here because it is a legitimate complaint that is a non bonus issue and can effect all players, not just US players.

Beware if paying with a Visa or any credit card. The processors that CW use double dipped me twice in one week. The first time, I got an apology, the second time I was asked to show my statement from the bank. I sent the info. I got an email with another apology and "We are going to investigate it" I waited and emailed them with an easy proposal of crediting my account so I wouldnt have to get my bank involved for the 2nd time in a week.

I now get an email from them stating that since I went public in another thread (which I didnt even start) they are not going to give me the credit in my casino account to make up for it and not only that, They LOCKED MY ACCOUNT. I cant even go back in to get the proof for here. They sent me some proof (which actually helps me) but since we cant paste PM's from other people in here, you will have to trust my word.

I have been a member here for over a year 10/2006 and come in here and participate everyday. Anyone that knows me from here will know that I would not make a huge stink over this $38 double dipping if it werent true. Why would they lock me out for posting them ? I was defending them and felt bad for them and they say I was bashing them?

This is the last thread I will start and will not post anything new on ClubWorld because they are not worth it. I will however answer any questions as to not be rude if you have any. Dont worry Bryan, this is it. I said my piece and this is a valid non bonus complaint seperate from the ATB thread that i didnt even start. No flaring or rampages. This is it! Im just hurt because I defended them for over a year and played every day and they treat me like this.




Just a quick update and final one: just now got a PM saying they will reopen my account but cant deposit. You know what, they locked me out , i will uninstall and not go back in. They shouldnt of locked me out in the first place. That just shows how spiratic(sp) they are thinking. reopening so they dont look bad,? too late
 
can you move this to NON bonus complaints?

PLEASE move this, I meant for this to go to NON BONUS....I apologize for putting this here, Im just so mad I cant see
 
IMO, they had no right to lock your account before the issue was settled based on the sole fact that you came public with your complaint/situation.

If they no longer wanted your business, then fine...lock the account *after* settling the problem at hand.

This is complete BS. If a player makes a post that points out nothing but the FACTS of a situation, then what's the casino's problem? If they have nothing to hide, why try to suppress players from letting others know what happened to them, and be on the lookout so that it doesn't happen to others?

If the casino didn't want their dirty laundry aired in a public forum, then they shouldn't place themselves in a situation where it could happen.
 
YOU'RE HURT? FOR WHAT???

Online gaming has turned completely sour. Trust? Trust my ass. There is no trust in this industry anymore. NONE! If they will screw over their most loyal affiliates. What makes you think they give a damn about anyone else?
 
Hi Babs,

I've spoken to the operator over the phone and your account was locked because you threatened them with charging back. It was only locked for an hour or two. I believe it's back open so you can review everything.

Babs, you may have made a mistake. Each one of your deposits shows that it was played out. The cash processors sometimes sends their debits in batches. This is what you might be seeing. These deposits are all legitimate; you just may have forgotten some of them. The casino is able to match each deposit with your play through. Just to let you know.
 
We investigated this players claims thoroughly and it was clear that all the funds debited from her card were credited to her casino account and played on the games.

The evidence of this was supplied to the player however it was dismissed, regardless of the fact that her IP address and computer's serial number was logged against each deposit and each game played.

The account was deactivated for a short time as a precautionary measure as she indicated that she was going to attempt to defraud us. This is standard procedure and has no bearing on any other posts in any other threads. The account is currently open however the option to make further deposits has been removed.

We have made every effort at every stage of these proceedings to find an amicable solution, however we cannot give money to people purely in response to threats of fraud. Had she simply asked for a comp the $40 would have been in her account within moments.

Steve Morgan
Casino Manager
 
First : I did not make a threat. I said "why dont we do it this way so we dont have to get my bank involved" I also told them that I would reverse the UNAUTHORIZED charges in which there are 2 if they dont refund it. Its not a threat, it was telling them how I was going to handle it and gave them an easier option.

It is not a mistake Bryan, I play $20 when I wake up in the morning and once in awhile I will make one at night. I did NOT make 2 deposits in one day in the morning. Also, Again, for over a year I am billed ClubWorld, never a processor.

I do not defraud people or companies for the fun of it and if I were it wouldnt be for $19.97 and $19.91 when I deposit around $600 a month or more. Ive been depositing over $600 a month for a year and now I am going to commit fraud over $38 and some change?

Im telling you, I did not make those deposits. This is happening to others as well which i will keep their confidence. Why do think I wont use a prepaid? Because you cant get that back if your robbed.

How come I dont have this problem with 3 dice? Ask Enzo if I ever asked him for a refund. I go months without winning and deposit on a daily basis yet I have never accused them of taking money or "forgetting" that I play. Go ask Club Player if I ever accused them after making several deposits or SuperSlots or any RIval. I just happen to pick the casino that has the fastest payouts to accuse? The one casino I love to play at? Go ask Play United if I ever reversed charges. The list goes on.......I am a reputable player and an honest player and I did not make those deposits. The only other casino I had this problem was with was an MG casino and that was dealt with.

I am finished defending myself. I dont know how they keep records or what they can do to make it look like I played when I didnt but this is not how to handle a long time customer.
 
BABS please keep in mind. Always pay attention to your warning signs. There's something telling you to leave that place alone. If you know they are stealing from you. Its a SIGN!

It's not about the $38 its the principle. You know a few years back. I broke a story about Party Poker stealing from the rake. If a player goes all-in (preflop) and everyone folded. They still took out a few cents from your large all-in and most people didnt even pay it no mind. Also, one senior accountant worked at a very large company. And he would subtract a few pennies from each employee payroll. When he finally was caught. He had stolen millions. So it happening every single day and they are making 100,000s of dollars. These casinos must make up for their short fall. Common sense will tell you this. Just look at how many casinos folded under the usa ban. Look at how many ewallets folded. Now what makes one thinks the casinos still active is doing good? They are not, and they are trying to stay afloat. And that means pinching from varies players from time to time. They are hurting BIG TIME!

Babs I know you are not LYING!
 
mishun said:
BABS please keep in mind. Always pay attention to your warning signs. There's something telling you to leave that place alone. If you know they are stealing from you. Its a SIGN!..Babs I know you are not LYING!
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I don't think Babs is lying, but she may be mistaken. Babs, please check your deposit history and try to match this up with your bank debits ignoring the dates. They will match up in the end, I'm sure.
 
Hiya Sexy Bryan

Actually that's what I was going to do when my account was locked. I uninstalled the casino because they locked it. I dont care if it was for 5 minutes, it was an unsettled matter when they locked my account, it my eyes, there is nothing left to do. They made that decision. I didnt go back to any boyfriend that cheated either, even if it was just a kiss and not a lay! Get my point?:)
 
babs7262 said:
Hiya Sexy Bryan

Actually that's what I was going to do when my account was locked. I uninstalled the casino because they locked it. I dont care if it was for 5 minutes, it was an unsettled matter when they locked my account, it my eyes, there is nothing left to do. They made that decision. I didnt go back to any boyfriend that cheated either, even if it was just a kiss and not a lay! Get my point?:)
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But what I am saying is that they locked your account because you told them you would make a chargeback. This is standard SOP with most casinos. Tell them you'll charge back your funds and they will close your account.

But it's been reopened to you can review your deposits. It may be worth spending a few minutes to download the software and access your account so you can possibly straighten this situation out.
 
Then please explain to me why they didnt close my account the last time this happened and they knew I did a reverse on that unauthorized charge? I can find the post where I told them and they didnt close my account then.

Rememer back last year when it happened the very first time and he went as far as calling me at home? I told him on the phone that the bank is paying me back? They didnt close my account that time

I actrually ashamed of myself for staying a customer after the first time. I should of listened to my husband when I told them it wouldnt happen again and he told me it might. My bank manager asked me why Im still dealing with them too.

And it's all because they pay fast if you win, but in the long run, we will lose as long as we keep this up. I looked at the pages before I even made the accusation Bryan. There are about 5 pages of transactions if I remember. I didnt play there from 2/9- to about the 2/12 because I was on a roll at CP for 4 days (that is documented in WS). I deposited once on the 13th and 14th and 15th and there were extra w/d's.

I dont need to go back because I wouldnt of accused without my homework. I dont care what it says now, I know what it said at the time and Im getting exhausted. Im not changing my mind and reinstalling and rechecking it again. I understand Bryan, you are in the middle and Im sorry for that and there are no hard feelings but Im not going back and Im getting my $38 back at thats the end of it. Its the 3rd time since October 2007 and Im done, stick a fork in me Im done!

Maybe its the best thing that could happen anyway. Ill play the free tournys and make my lil $10 -$15 deposits at 3dice and hopefully Ill win big at a B&M where I cant get double dipped or get lucky at 3 dice with a nice win. Either way, CW is no longer entertaining for me, its work now
 
The problem here is this "batching" the processors do. This can often lead to transactions "jumping the queue", and others getting left behind for weeks and suddenly turning up "out of the blue". Worse than this, the processors are "playing games" with the US banks by deliberately making the transactions hard to monitor by breaking up patterns. This involves switching the reference of the charging company, and making rounded amounts into amounts that look like a purchase, such as making them end in figures like 99c, 97c, or 95c. This actually give the PLAYER a slight edge, as they are making a couple of cents on each deposit;)

To properly review this kind of issue, as well as ignoring the dates, it may be necessary to go back some weeks, maybe even months, and look at the overall deposits debited against those amounts shown as being credited to the casino account. I once had this happen at a MG casino, and I traced some deposits that at first seemed "double dips" to casino deposits made some WEEKS before! This had NOTHING to do with UIGEA, it was before then, but it turned out that the casino used a rota of processors, and one of these delayed sending in the requests for nearly a month, then sent them in one go. If merchants do not claim their monies within a certain time, the card companies and banks drop them from "ring fenced" status and show the funds as available again. When the errant merchant finally gets round to requesting payment, the amounts appear as "new" transactions, and do not carry the date from when they were "ring fenced". This can confuse the player no end:confused:
The problem in this case was that the casino was certain it was right, so was of course NOT prepared to refund or credit the disputed amounts, which lead to the player stating that they would go to their BANK to sort it out. Although the word "chargeback" was not used, this is effectively what this was. The casino then managed to pour fuel on the fire by using emotive language like "threatened" and "defraud" with the player. This seeks to induce the impression that the player was being accused of criminal activity, or attempts at such activity, where what was more likely, and in need of investigation, was the possibility that the player had simply fallen victim to the "processor games" that make it hard for banks to trace gambling transactions, and naturally make it just as hard for players to do so.
It has not helped that SOME processors HAVE been using these "games" as a means to defraud players through confusion, so of course any player who sees this is going to think "oh not ANOTHER dodgy processor", rather than thinking that it is more likely that THEY have made an error in totalling up the deposits and debits.

A full analysis of the deposit history at the casino, and debits from the bank, will reveal who is right in this matter, provided it is possible to match Club World deposits with whatever "purchase" appears on the bank card statement. This may need Club World to provide information as to the processors that would appear on statements for each of the deposits, which is not found in the transaction history.
RTG casinos do not provide a play history, and transaction histories do not show the current account balance, so this kind of problem is what can happen at casinos whose software lacks the provision of certain information.
With the Playcheck facility at MG, players have a means to check for themselves whether they played out a deposit and then forgot they did, so if this is what casino support claim, they can check for themselves.

Since the player did not seem to know WHY they suffered the locked account, and made speculations in the posting, am I to assume that the casino did not bother to inform the player as to WHY their account had been locked UNTIL such time as this mess became a subject for forum debate.

The warning about the use of cards STILL STANDS though, mistake or "double dipping", this will happen again because of the way batching and processor's "games" make it hard to reconcile the figures against deposits at the casinos.
 
Babs, I certainly don't blame you for how this situation made you feel, it is only human nature and most anyone would feel the same under the circumstances.

Its hard to be objective here, but I will explain one situation that I had, went through a couple of times, in fact, and believe me it was SEVERELY frustrating. It ended up being neither mine nor the casinos (yes plural) involved, fault.

It was only happening with one card I used, which happened to be a Wired Plastic (prepaid).

I used to see "double" transactions, same amount, same time. I'd check my balance online and see it was in the negative (YES..ON A PREPAID). It ended up being a problem on Wired Plastic's end...saying it was "double-processed". What was frustrating the most about it (number one, once I could get my problem across to someone in customer service at Wired Plastic), was the "waiting periods" they sent me through, or, they advised me to get the merchant (in this case, the casinos, which were 3 of different platforms, one MG, one RTG, and one Vegas Technology) to fax them an authorization to get the "extra" charge removed.

Ok..so now on to the casinos...one understood the problem, and said he would do what he can (still had to wait), one almost took it as me accusing them of "double-dipping", and gave me a somewhat arbitrary response (like, "you played what you deposited, and that's all we got"-they didn't lock my account though, and no its not CW, its another RTG that I still play at), and the other didn't seem to really help/respond at all (I haven't played there in over a year now).

Wired Plastic said the only other thing I could do was pretty much "wait and it will drop off once the final authorization goes through" which used to be 15 days (this really sucked, especially since part of my direct deposit would go to that card...which sometimes just brought the erroneous "negative balance" to zero- no fun on payday in those days). They've since shortened it to around 3 days or so, which isn't so bad, and the errors haven't happened recently. It was like a "horde of errors" of 3 instances bulked together, and, I guess from seeing my complaints enough, most of the Wired Plastic operators now knew what I was talking about...and it was fixed quicker...like "yeah, yeah..we know..same routine".

I hate to see things like this happen though, especially when a loyal player feels betrayed by arbitrary action. Perhaps things should have been handled differently by them. And we certainly have a right to speak out our concerns, without fearing retaliation.

I hope this whole thing works itself out someday.
 
wired plastic is one of the worst company..........
I use it for my convenience.
They do charge you if you call em...0.95 cents and 0.45 for every transaction and 3+ bux monthly fee and they have the worst CS ever.
If you breath......they charge you...... what a s^^^^t
 
You are right, kakata, about Wired Plastic having sucky CS but they do take wires from "you know who" and that is the only plus. Netspend is my card of choice and the only time I have ever seen any remotely strange is when I use it at the gas pump and the gas company charges $50 instead of the correct amount, but it is usually gone in 2 days.

Back to Club World. I had, well kinda still have, an issue with them and my Netspend card. I won't discuss it on open forum but I finally kinda got it resolved. But in the meantime before it was fixed, they had me pegged as a fraudulent charger. Which really PO'd me since as it turned out, it was them not me. I still haven't a clue what they did but as it turns out, I won't be able to use my Netspend card to deposit there anymore. Just so everyone will know, I did not do anything wrong.

So Babs, I feel for you. Hope you can get it fixed.
 
Now that you said it, I too have a 'problem' between wired and CW.
Not a lot of money......still:o (60bux)
You cant be overdrawn with wiredplastic...........well I was.
Wich is pretty impossible.
I do make deposits, pratically, on a daily basis.
I do transfer to casinos what i do deposits.........usually 100/200, and I do gamble em all in 1 day, unless I win.........:rolleyes:
Now , wired plastic would never let me charge a penny more that I have deposited, they have declined some of my transactions in a matter of 1 cent..............so..........how can I be overdrawn for almost 60 ?:confused:
I know what I deposit and I 'surely' know what I lose.:o
Something is not right somewhere.
I dont really care ..If 'someone' is stealing, well he is the biggest idiot in the world!!!!!!
 
I never use Wired Plastic for anything but to receive wires from QT. My problem was with my Netspend card that I use exclusively. Messed with them for a month before I finally got an answer today as to why they wouldn't let me deposit with it after the first time. And come to think of what went on, I don't think I like it so probably Club World will be off my list. When they make fast and loose with you bank account, throws up a flag with me.
 
I feel better already. I know I speak my mind and sound stronger than I really am but the fact is, Im more upset that they think Im being fraudulant. VWM couldnt have stated it any better, infact, that should be permanently stated and stickied somewhere on this site.

With that said, VWM was right, I was offended by their language and the fact they didnt tell me my acct was locked until I went to log on. If they would of just emailed me with their concerns and kept an open mind and looked at my gambling behavior, it could of been worked out.

Lets just leave it at this because I honestly dont want it to drag on forever and besides, VWM said everything I felt and I thank you for putting it into words for me, I was too upset to spell it out until I had a cool off period

I will not promote nor bash CW in any posts or threads, I will stay out of discussions about them except to say they payout fast.
 
clubworld said:
The account was deactivated for a short time as a precautionary measure as she indicated that she was going to attempt to defraud us.

Steve Morgan
Casino Manager
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What the hell!!!! Are you serious!!?! For $38!?! A long time member of this board and a loyal customer to your casino and this is how she is treated!?! For $38!?!

I don't care what the problem was, but i know it could been handled much, much better in a much more respectful manner!

Regardless of anything else, even if the player considers this matter closed, Clubworld owes this player an apology for calling her a fraudster!!! for $38!?! Unreal.....

VWM's post was perfect... but i'm giving the "emotional" version!:mad:
 
hippo925 said:
What the hell!!!! Are you serious!!?! For $38!?! A long time member of this board and a loyal customer to your casino and this is how she is treated!?! For $38!?!..
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I believe that when she said she was going to chargeback, it was for all purchases - not just for the $38. The casino also stated that they were willing to add a $40 comp to satisfy Babs apparent loss of funds.

The casino has already shown that all of Babs deposits were logged and played out. I still think Babs is mistaken and is matchin gup the wrong debits. VWM pretty much summed it up with describing how these processors work with the batching of debits. This is why the dates on her bank statement don't add up.
 
peteyweestro said:
hey boss i think babs was only gonna charge back the 2 unauthorized deposits, not all of them thats what makes this even worse imho
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JUst for the record. I have saved ALL of my PM's stating I was just taking back the $38, not all of them. Im not sure if I can show my own PM's but I dont feel it's necessary just to prove my point, that IMHO would be adding fuel to the fire.

I do have proof that it was just going to be the $38, not all charges because I did gamble on those days, just not twice.

Im just responding to these threads, dont want anyone to think Im purposly writing stuff to keep this going. I need closure on anyones' thoughts and thats why I keep responding on this thread.
 
My bottom line on this issue is...EVEN IF they WERE "threatened" with a chargeback (whether it be one transaction or all), "its not over till the fat lady sings". Close your account, I believe, based on only verbage and not action is wrong IMO, especially if they would have thought more carefully to review your overall gambling history and loyalty, and yes...$38 is MERE. Not to say that we should "gauge" by the amount, its the overall scenario.

Apparently there was confusion amidst this whole incident, but whatever happened to "the customer is always right"? Although we all know this doesn't "literally" hold true at all times, its the overall "mindset" and "giving the benefit of the doubt", which they did not do, until thoroughly investigating, and BY ALL MEANS COMMUNICATION IS KEY (yes..they should have certainly contacted/called/emailed/sent messenger pigeon...whatever, BEFORE taking such extreme steps).

It is not worth losing a loyal customer (and that's in ANY business) over mere speculation and alleged doubt...weigh the pros and cons here. There's a lot to be said about situations and how they are handled...they are the business, and yes, it could have been handled WAY better than the way that it was.

Personally, I would hope that they would at least attempt (and I understand if you would decline their offer if they did), to welcome back a loyal customer, and if there is some sort of doubt still in their mind, and they feel as though they do not owe you an apology because they did what they thought was the careful thing to do on their side...say something along the lines of apologizing that this whole confusion and inconvenience ever had to take place.

That is just my personal opinion on the matter.
 
babs, you know you and i talk sometimes on the phone and i know you to be an upstanding and honest person and dont doubt you for a minute. this is just a thought and my thoughts usually dont add up to a hill of beans but what if you were to pm bryan all your info you have and club world do the same and let him take a 3erd person veiw of it? its just a sug. im sure its not helping club worlds rep. on here and i can see both sides of the issue. i was gonna play at club world this a.m and decided against it because of whats going on with you and them and the double dipping issue from the other party. it would make me feel better as a player there to see this resolved by someone you trust and the casino trusts and that would make alot of us feel better and then we could put this issue to bed..........please dont get mad at me this is just what i would have done had i been in your shoes...........laurie:)
 
At least they offered Babs a free chip, All I got out of them was "Oops, my bad" and my Netspend card is marked as fraudelent. So go figure. It only took me a month to get them to tell me why I couldn't deposit with it after I made my first deposit and I to PM the rep here yesterday and beg him to look into it for me. So maybe Club World might not deserve the halo award after all.
 
They didnt offer me a free chip. They said they "would of" but since I so called "threatened" them they changed their mind. I also have that in a PM

Laurie: I would never get mad at you for your own opinion. I hit my point of not caring anymore. Once I get a bad taste, it's over for me. The reason why is because I have such a long fuse. This is the 3rd time, not the first and that is why Im not going to go through everything, copy and paste and reinstall and copy and paste. Why should I? It happened twice before, I was refunded and got apologies but now this is the third time and ive had enough and stopped being cordial when they closed my account. Hasnt anyone noticed that their stories are changing? It's standard procedure yet when I asked them why they didnt close my account the first 2 times, no answer?

I am not in jeopardy of other casinos because of this either because Ive gotten support from other casinos opening their arms to me because they know my pattern of play and they know I dont take advantage, hell, I can count on one hand how many times I even asked for a chip let alone took a bonus offer in the last year from ClubWorld. The only place that I really take a bonus from is 3 dice because it's built in already, but if I had to call or live chat every single time I wanted a chip or bonus, I wouldnt even do that. I dont like complications. I like to pay and play and hopefully cashout. If I cant do that without worrying (no matter which casino, not just CW, any of them) than it's not worth it.

Infact, you know what? Ill take the bigger road. I already put in for the mistake last week at the bank but you know what, this $38 that they closed my account over, keep it, but just know this....I may just deposit $600 a month, but times that by how many people you treat like you did me and they do the same! SO.....keep your $38 that your processors took from me, making us have $38 less for gas or food (theres a reason I have a budget). Enjoy it, but I will tell you this.....Karma rules and Im confident that I will get it back twofold someday and someday you will lose it twofold.
 
In a perfect (Club) World, maybe this is how it would have happened? :rolleyes:

"hi babs, we have looked over your transaction history and we see that your deposits were credited and played. Unfortunately, because of the way these transactions are processed, sometimes it may lead to some confusion. We appreciate your loyalty and as a valued player, we understand that these things can happen with no fault on either side. Though we appreciate that you want to rectify this misfortunate circumstance on your own, please allow us the opportunity to rectify this misunderstanding. i have credited your account with the $38 in question, contrary to what our records show. I have also included a special bonus as this matter was not handled as well as it could have been from the beginning. It's the least we can do for a valued customer. Good luck and please let me know if there is anything else i can be of assistance on!"

Food for thought?

By the way, this is similar to the way 3dice handled my problems with the netspend card and double charges (though the double charges dropped off a month later.) So i know for a fact that some casinos handle these things in a much better manner.
 
Well Put Hippo.....but

I was so upset when they locked the account I told them to never write me or pm me again. Im not saying I should of said that either but whats done is done. I dont expect them to write me because I wouldnt write me if someone told me not to because then that person could say they were being harrassed after telling them not to write. As much as I hate defending them, I dont blame them for not writing me even though I still feel Im right about how I was treated.

I just wanted to let you know this so all cards are on the table and that is why I havnt gotten any email or PM. Look, theres plenty of places to play and Im quite happy where I am now. Its time to let this go

I just want to thank everyone for all of your input whether you agree with me or not because its better to have all thoughts, no matter what your opinion/side is.:)
 
By the way, this is similar to the way 3dice handled my problems with the netspend card and double charges (though the double charges dropped off a month later.) So i know for a fact that some casinos handle these things in a much better manner.
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This could be the difference between how a licensed casino deals with their customers and a non-licensed one.

3dice is a great casino, that is properly run.

Larry
 
OK, this is scary....good scary

Karma sure can work fast

My hand to God, this is true. Rich just got home about a half hour ago. He came in the door and said "you wont believe what just happened" I asked him what. Sometimes Rich puts his change from getting coffee in this cup in his car and when it gets kinda full he cashes it in and buys a beer or two. He had mostly pennies and a few dimes. He said it usually comes out to about $7or so. Not much, but he likes doing it

The machine went wierd and counted alot of the pennies as quarters and when the receipt came out it was $31. He knows he only had about $7 because thats what it always is.

He had $7 and the machine gave him $31......what does that equal? $38
 
babs7262 said:
Karma sure can work fast

My hand to God, this is true. Rich just got home about a half hour ago. He came in the door and said "you wont believe what just happened" I asked him what. Sometimes Rich puts his change from getting coffee in this cup in his car and when it gets kinda full he cashes it in and buys a beer or two. He had mostly pennies and a few dimes. He said it usually comes out to about $7or so. Not much, but he likes doing it

The machine went wierd and counted alot of the pennies as quarters and when the receipt came out it was $31. He knows he only had about $7 because thats what it always is.

He had $7 and the machine gave him $31......what does that equal? $38
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Just an observation but if karma is real and the coin machine owner just lost $31 due to a malfunction, who is the next victim?
 
agree with bryand re: karma?

"Just an observation but if karma is real and the coin machine owner just lost $31 due to a malfunction, who is the next victim?"

Exactly my thoughts when I read the post.....:what:
Proud of that overpayment, are we?

Plus someone deposited the amount you were originally out into your account.

So you are up by some $70 plus, right?

Can the change machine say it's going to make a chargeback? Going to give the overpayment back?




Posted by Dalzilla who had been playing on line since 2001, faithful reader of Casinomeister - very infrequent poster -
 
Again, I wasnt the one that went to the store , I was home and Rich came home and told me. I didnt take anything from anyone. I wasnt "proud" that he ended up with $38, I was shocked that the amount came out to $38.

Also, I said it would come back twofold and it did. That is how Karma works unfortunately sometimes. Heck, that guy who owns the machine could end up with $38 more somewhere else to make him whole. Thats my point. Thats how it works in my opinion. One person may take but you make it up somewhere else and that person will make it up and so on.

Also, I didnt want to drag out this long whole story about what happened excactly but now your forcing me to tell the whole thing, so here it is:

Rich went to the Giant to use coinstar....the machine was broken so he had to get in his car and drive to Genuardis to use their coinstar. He was upset too because he just put in a full day on the roof in the cold. (lol, men hate making 2 stops!) . He went to the machine and put his change in (he said he had about $7) It started making noise but the change was stuck and going straight through to the bottom where they spit out change that didnt make through. He put his cup on the bottom to catch it because it was going nuts. He yelled (not yelled persay) for a manager or someone. The manager came down from up in the CS area. He opened the machine to help Rich. There was change coming down that wasnt his because he knew he didnt have quarters. The manager said "this happened yesterday, just use whats in the catcher" Rich said "This is my change cup, I dont think I had this much" THe manager said "Well, theres no way of telling what is yours and what isnt" Rich said he could of stood there for an hour but stopped because he knew it was getting out of hand. When he stopped and told the manager that it alll wasnt his (again) it came out to $31 when they printed the receipt.

There you have it...It wasnt me, Rich didnt do anything wrong and Im sure the owner will get paid somehow. Geez, Are you happy now? I dont even know these last two posters very well but still feel compelled to share the whole kit and kiboodle

Oh and one more thing: Someone else wanted to put money in my account and I refused. They want to remain anonymous as well so they are putting the money in a CM charity instead because I wasnt looking for a windfall, I was looking to be made whole:)
 
It's Ok. I was just trying to keep it short but with so many personalities in here, You really cant. LOL.....Im not upset with anyone, I just get mad at myself because sometimes I think too much and I should of just written the whole thing.

After rereading my post, it did look like Rich was kind of "stealing" so you dont need to apologize Bryan, I just need to put everything the first time so there isnt any confusion. I cut corners in here because Ive been here so long that people usually know where Im coming from and I shouldnt do that because newer people (not saying your new new) dont know me:)
 
This happened before the mystery gift. The machine happened at around 6pm and the gift was in my account around 930-10pm. I never mess with Karma! I respect it:)
 
That's Ok Pete

That's is why there are so many different options out there in this world. I agree with the part of your sentence when you say "just because you do something nice, it comes back" THats really not what Karma does IMO. I feel that Karma works the opposite and ends up in the favor of the nice doer because they were wronged, not because they were nice.

Its hard to explain Karma sometimes. but nevertheless, you are certainly entitled to your beliefs and opinions but shouldnt go as far to say its "crap" I wouldnt call your beliefs "crap" I would just say that I dont feel the same way as you and feel there are other reasons or no reasons at all why things happen:)
 
I hate to see this thread turning in the direction that it is. Babs shouldn't have to defend her beliefs and as she said everyone is entitled to their own. Let's get it back on track with the original topic. If you want to debate Karma, why not start a new thread about Karma in the attic.
 

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