Cleopatras Gold (RTG) rigged?

I always get told I have bad luck.

If I get hit by lightning I feel like I have bad luck.

If I get hit by lightning while walking around an open field with a steel rod in an electrical storm.... I just feel stupid.
 
Cleo as much as I do some of the others, but yes those rounds are far harder to come upon than they used to be for certain,.

In saying that Im finding most of the games I generally play are terrible, I play green light a lot, features harder to hit, if you do hit them, impossible to hit the second round, and $ for rounds poor, yesterdays for instance, were all under $15 on $1 bets when I was lucky to hit them, and no retriggers at all.

Archilles is another that getting the bonus is like winning lotto. Ive noticed these changes a lot in the last week or two, and its not just one RTG Ive played 4 different and they are all playing the same,.

Sorry if this is not solely about Cleo, but I really do think its a general thing, and when we play them a lot we notice the changes, because we are not stupid and it cant all be bad luck if a lot of us notice.

Things are getting interesting with RTGs with there changes in deposit bonus etc asc well, whats next I wonder.

Yes it does seem to be all games, for example I had run on Aladdin where I could not find the Genie even with 4 picks, this went on and on (more than 10 times in a row without finding the Genie) and when you consider you should have a 50% chance on each round to find the Genie with 3 picks (5/10) and 80% with 4 picks (4/5) then the probability of my run is One in many Thousands.
That alone would be just an unlikely event but when you take it with all the other unlikely events the evidence mounts up that the slots are heavily weighted.
Also you are right about Achilles.
I used to be able to get retriggers on the Achilles feature but I would guesstimate I have not had One in over 50,000 spins.
In the same period I have only hit more than 15 Free spins Once and even the Castle feature rarely retriggers.

The reason I want to focus on One slot is because it makes it easier to pin down any anomalies. If it is statistically proved that One slot returns less than used to be the case when no changes have been made to the probability of outcomes then it is also proved that RTG slot returns are manipulated either by RTG or the Casinos that use their software.


I always get told I have bad luck.

If I get hit by lightning I feel like I have bad luck.

If I get hit by lightning while walking around an open field with a steel rod in an electrical storm.... I just feel stupid.
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A very fine analogy.
Fortunately my tin foil hat is so large it acts as Faraday cage thus protecting me from the worse of any storm.
(read into that as much or as little as you wish ;))
 
doesnt anybody know already??? the R in RTG stand for RIGGED! just kidding

473 spins at Vegas Joker from deposit to bankrupt without a single free spin feature in any game and you say RTG is rigged?

-- Puts the steel rod down and backs away slowly.--
 
Rusty, thanks for the head up on this slot. I thought it was just me. I have opened accounts at all 3 of Cherry Red, Rushmore and Slot Oasis. I used the 400% coupon at all three with $300 deposits each. I could not get any traction whatsoever on the Cleopatras, at any of three of the casinos. Infact, my bank roll was exhausted before being anywhere near playthru at each.

You'd think you have a pretty good shot in the arm betting 2-5 dollars per spin on a $1500 bankroll on each. Not so. What the hell is going on?

Your first two reel observation is absolutely correct. I wonder how many people are gonna have to bitch about this before they fix this gaffed bullshit?
 
Rusty, I played Cleopatra on and off for in my 4 hour marathon and I did see what you were saying..about the first two reels with the scatter...it did not hit the bonus round when they fell on those reels....but I did hit 1 bonus round on 3 scatters on different lines..nothing exciting to talk about on 15 free spins either...

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Rusty, thanks for the head up on this slot. I thought it was just me. I have opened accounts at all 3 of Cherry Red, Rushmore and Slot Oasis. I used the 400% coupon at all three with $300 deposits each. I could not get any traction whatsoever on the Cleopatras, at any of three of the casinos. Infact, my bank roll was exhausted before being anywhere near playthru at each.

You'd think you have a pretty good shot in the arm betting 2-5 dollars per spin on a $1500 bankroll on each. Not so. What the hell is going on?

Your first two reel observation is absolutely correct. I wonder how many people are gonna have to bitch about this before they fix this gaffed bullshit?

Rusty, I played Cleopatra on and off for in my 4 hour marathon and I did see what you were saying..about the first two reels wiuth the scatter...it did not hit the bonus round when they feel on those reels....but I did hit 1 bonus round on 3 scatters on different lines..nothing exciting to talk about on 15 free spins either...

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I expect it to be fixed fairly soon because it makes it obvious the slot is not entirely random. (Breaking News, haha)
It is a massive anomaly because when initiating a bonus round of 3 pyramids all combinations should be just as likely.
Combinations 1,3,4 1,3,5 1,4,5 2,3,4 2,3,5 2,4,5 3,4,5 seem generally unaffected.
Combinations 1,2,3 1,2,4 1,2,5 seem to have been weighted out of the game as I have not triggered any of them for many Thousands of spins and dozens of Feature wins.
That statistic is so unlikely as to be as good as impossible in a genuine random unweighted game.

That means that 30% of my possible triggering combinations have been AWOL for a prolonged period of play which goes someway to explaining why the feature round triggers less.
I am currently well over a 1000 consecutive spins on this slot without triggering a feature round.

It used to trigger around 1/130 spins but over the last Few Months I am probably around 1/160 spins. Roughly a 30% drop off :rolleyes:

As I say the other obvious stand out anomalies are never hitting 5 of a kind on more than One line at the same time (Used to win on 2 lines at same time with reasonable frequency)
This actually extends to other slots too, especially Achilles and has occurred for well over 50,000 spins possibly 100,000.
Nobody else has commented on if this is the same for them.

Retriggers are less frequent and Free spin round wins seem to be limited to below 50 times bet.
Seriously, how can you go over 50 consecutive Free spins round (15 Free spins X3 multiplier) and almost exclusively win between 10 and 30 times bet?
Even more pathetic that includes retriggers.

Everyone should check their playlogs for these sort of anomalies if they think they are having suspiciously bad luck.
Don't worry about the shills telling you it is just sour grapes or you are a bad loser, that is their job.

The more these anomalous stats are brought to forums such as this the more the Casinos and software companies have to take notice.
That can only result in fairer games for everybody.

If you are unsure what your playlogs show then feel free to PM me and I will look at them for you.
Sometimes though it is just about observation, such as the scatter problem above which can not be proved through playlogs, but can be qualified through shared experience.

Of course there will always be freak events occur even in unweighted software but when the same freak events keep occurring and are observable by different people it becomes a phenomenon.
What is the cause of this phenomenon?
Weighted slots.
 
My problem is that I can't stand watching a game lose 1000 spins in a row.

I went broke after 500 spins but I played about 4 different games.

No bonus out of any of them from start to finish.
 
Crystal waters is doing the same shit, from my experience in the past couple days. I have over 200 x where it hit the sailboats on the first two reels, then did not make the 3rd. Finally got the bonus round on #201 and I got a whopping $3.97 on a $.40 bet. Other games are doing it too, now I'm gonna start tracking it closer.

At this point in time I'm I'm really starting to question why I bother depositing lately. I pretty much know the outcome 99.9% of the time. No wonder so many new RTG's are always popping up........we're a sure kill. :eek2:

It's not bad luck gang, the games are either gaffed or we didn't get the memo that the payouts were changing. Think they'll give us our money back? Hell no, would be my guess.
 
yes, i was noticing that on Crystal waters and some other games (i don't really play Cleo). Scatters on real 1 and 2, nothings lines up because of this and no bonus.
 
Yes but remember the reel lengths are often different and they may be more than 1 scatter on some reels making certain combinations more likely.

I chose Cleopatra's Gold because the reels are similar lengths and there is only 1 scatter on each reel.

What I noticed with Crystal waters was the amount of times I hit the scatter on the Fith Reel after the First sctter had hit without another but it very rarely appeared when Two scatters were already in place.
Also the Bonus Fish seems to appear much less often in the bonus round.

Another thing to look out for that I have seen a lot lately is to have Four jackpot or higher paying symbols on a winline but missing the Third Reel.
I must have seen this happen the same way half a Dozen times on different games recently.
 
I have noticed that when I get a scatter on any of the first three reels, and there won't be another scatter on the screen at the end, then there's no sound for the scatter. Only if I will get at least two scatters the sound is present.

I am trying this at 2 different casinos in FUN mode and it seems to be working OK now.
 
I was playing hidden treasure for about 2 hours today and I was hitting free spins and bonus features fairly often. I actually made a profit. Hopefully things are looking up. :)
 
I was playing hidden treasure for about 2 hours today and I was hitting free spins and bonus features fairly often. I actually made a profit. Hopefully things are looking up. :)

I sure hope so, goo luck :thumbsup:

So played Cleo some more tonight and it actually played more like its old self.
I actually triggered the bonus round when hitting the first Two scatters and even manages some wins over 50Xbet.

Of course I was playing on a bonus and when I neared my WR everything died a death.
But in a way I'm glad because I now have more than enough data and I can no longer enjoy my gaming with RTG when I know they basically cheat.

I have now played my last game on RTG software.
It was fun at times and frustrating at others just as gambling always is but often it was just plain annoying.
I am now closing my remaining RTG accounts.



RTG RIP
 
I did alright for a while the last couple of days with a mix of RTG games but this evening the bottom fell out and I'm back to 200 - 400 spins for a bonus feature. Dropped a hundred bucks at 2 coins per line and gave up.
 
Finally after breaking that mysterious losing streak I hit a half decent bonus feature that brought my balance back up and guess what? Another mysterious all night losing streak. Minimum 150 spins for a bonus feature all night and every bonus feature pays about 3 dollars. Not bad since it cost at least 50 dollars to hit them.

191 spins to hit get 10 free spins on Funky Monkey and not a single multiplier. Total for the bonus? 74 cents.

I find lately every single time I hit something worth while I'm tossed into a long losing streak that eats up everything I won and then some. I'm getting tired of dropping hundreds of dollars 25 and 50 cents at a time to finally win back 10.

Is Cleo rigged? They all are.
 
I'm getting tired of dropping hundreds of dollars 25 and 50 cents at a time to finally win back 10.
It's called upgrades which seem to be happening every week to all RTG's for some odd reason when no games are released...there were 2 this week for all of them again (RTG"s).

The reasoning...they give none except for the matter of how the games play after each one of these updates/upgrades...they have been TWEAKED to our detriment...

I have uninstalled all of them but 2 and they will be next to go if they continue to play in the same vein...people , wake up...we are getting hammered and the reason for this is because we continue to deposit instead of letting them know our displeasure with the way they have been making changes to these games...the casinos have gotten way too greedy...and in the end..they will be the ones suffering..

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It's called upgrades which seem to be happening every week to all RTG's for some odd reason when no games are released...there were 2 this week for all of them again (RTG"s).

The reasoning...they give none except for the matter of how the games play after each one of these updates/upgrades...they have been TWEAKED to our detriment...

I have uninstalled all of them but 2 and they will be next to go if they continue to play in the same vein...people , wake up...we are getting hammered and the reason for this is because we continue to deposit instead of letting them know our displeasure with the way they have been making changes to these games...the casinos have gotten way too greedy...and in the end..they will be the ones suffering..

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Yes, the dreaded RTG update :)
You would think they would make any clandestine upgrades/downgrades a little more surreptitiously but then you would think they would find a better way to display results than resetting the reels mid spin which by the way is not necessary as the reels always make at least One complete revolution.
It would be OK with very long reels but even then you would expect only One reset at the start of the spin where as with RTG a reel will often reset 2 or 3 times on One spin.(You see say a pyramid 2 or 3 times at the start of a spin although there is only One on the reel)
I have no idea why this should be but it always seemed to coincide with very bad losing spells.


Maybe One day they will explain what the constant updates are for since there is almost always no discernable change in the lobby,cashier or games.
Well except the way the slots seem to play that is.:p (mischievous)

Even more mysterious are the updates to a game you are busy playing.Doh.
 
If I complain I get told it's bad luck. If I complain any more than that I get told if I don't like don't play.

Well, I don't like it. So I'm not playing. Have it their way.

Maybe if everyone took a break for a few months from RTG they might take a hint.

Problem is there are a lot more players than the handful floating around in this discussion.

They might not get my money but they'll certainly get someone else's.

I put a chart of my last night's session in another thread. Sun Palace tells me that hitting less than you wager thousands of spins in a row is perfectly acceptable and if I don't like I should just close my account.

They tell me I could have withdrew while I was up. (duh.) I was up hundreds of dollars. I'm playing minimun wager. I thought it would at least give me more than a couple of hours worth of entertainment. Silly me.:rolleyes:
 
Its a real shame

because they can be fun slots, and if you can get a few hours entertainment, even without cashing out then thats great, though sadly that is becoming a struggle.

I know this is more about Cleo. Im basing mine more on green light, like the OP if yourd played this one a long while yourd be able to see the differences in your face.

The bonus so much harder to get
Very rare to get a second race, and if you do 4th or 5th.
Nothing much off the spins at all
There was a time if you saw 4 lights, yourd be 90% sure 3 would turn green, now you can be 90% sure they wont.

My features today
$2.50 bet - $20.50 bonus ($13 off the actual spins themselves)
$5 bet - $18.50 bonus ($3.50 off the actual spins themselves)

come on RTG you can do better than this surely.
 
What I noticed with Crystal waters was the amount of times I hit the scatter on the Fith Reel after the First sctter had hit without another but it very rarely appeared when Two scatters were already in place.
Not to change direction on this about Cleo, but has ANYONE ever hit the rose when 2 are showing and the rose is under the box that flips in Treasure Hunter? I have spun THOUSANDS upon THOUSANDS on this game and not once did I ever get a hidden rose when 2 were showing. The hidden roses flip over when you have one, but NEVER when you have 2. I think this game is broke too.

As to Cleo, I think these mini updates are doing something to these games because all of a sudden, bam, the feature many have tried to get in hundreds of thousands of spins that never appear all of a sudden pop up after numerous players complain about it....geez, can they get any more obvious just as the Green Light one was changed (I agree wholeheartedly on this awful change on this game) and ruined for the player.

I guess whichever game is talked about that gives the player a nice run they get on the horn and call RTG to tell them hurry, make a quick fix...on so and so game. They do not even care if it is a blatant change anymore..

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