Casinos closing and No US players

[PNWGirl38]

Question ...

I contacted Spin Palace. I was told U.S. players accounts from specific states, have been closed.

Why just certain states?

 

[Simmo!]

I have just been notified that my Spin Palace account has been closed due to the recent legislation. I am so depressed and angry.

Just for clarification, this is what's happening with Spin palace and other Palace (fairground) properties:

As of this afternoon none of our properties will be taking bets from players in the following states Illinois, Indiana, Louisiana, Nevada, Oregon, South Dakota, Washington and Wisonsin. We will continue to allow players to play from the remaining states .

Why just certain states?

These, I'm guessing from the presence of Louisiana and Washington, are the States which legislate locally to make online gambling illegal.

 

[Webzcas]

Illinois,
Indiana,
Louisiana,
Nevada,
Oregon,
South Dakota,
Washington and Wisconsin

 

[Peaceful1]

I really would like to know about the following: Trident Group, Riverbelle Entertainment and Vegas Partner Lounge. Anyone with confirmed info please advise. Thank you.

 

[Simmo!]

I think it's better to say that until they announce their intentions publically it would only be speculation Cynthia.

I was told in a phone call that Belle Rock intend running as before - until they are otherwise forced I guess, but this was only word-of-mouth, albeit from someone who should know. ReferBack (Belle Rock affiliates group) also rang me to discuss running a US-facing Slotjunkies tournament in November on River Belle too, so read into that what you will.

I would add what I said before that there is a theme here that everyone is overlooking. Everyone, without exception that I can see, who has stated that they will be pulling US players are either A) a big UK high-street brand and/or B) publically listed. That is the trend here and it's an obvious one because of Stock Market involvement.

There is little reason for companies outside the Public Listing arena to worry or make decisions/statements right away as they are not seeing $1billion wiped off their share value every day

 

[gmblpdam]

Dr. Ho 888 is out too. What will I do without my sexy asian live dealers!?

 

[Simmo!]

Full list of US bans updated:

https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/casinos-closing-and-no-us-players.14300/

 

[bpb]

This is true - no bonus, but that might be a good thing since you have no worries about wagering requirements. I play there often - mostly without the bonus, since I find it constricts my playing style.

Which playing style would that be? The "I hate money" playing style?

 

[chuchu59]

Dr. Ho 888 is out too. What will I do without my sexy asian live dealers!?

Go to Macau and experience the real thing. LOL.

 

[Nifty29]

This statement comes from Inetbet:

We have no intention of stopping any of our US customers.
The bill passed does not make it illegal for you to bet or for us to accept, so it will be business as usual.

Looks like Inetbet will be getting some extra business

 

[chuchu59]

Choices are getting extremely limited for US players. However, I sense that there will be some shady casinos trying to take advantage of the situation.
Dont let your gambling impulses get the better of you and refrain from depositing at unknown/roguish casinos even if they offer huge bonuses. They could take your money and close shop any time. Be wary!

 

[SlotsWizard]

Choices are getting extremely limited for US players. However, I sense that there will be some shady casinos trying to take advantage of the situation.
Dont let your gambling impulses get the better of you and refrain from depositing at unknown/roguish casinos even if they offer huge bonuses. They could take your money and close shop any time. Be wary!

Aww but come on, please? It's a 16,000% bonus on a $100 deposit.

Please note: you must wager a total of 15 times the sum of your deposit and bonus. Certain games count different percentages towards the wagering requirement, as follows:

Keno and 3-reel slots count 20%
Video slots count 5%
All forms of video poker, baccarat, roulette and other table games count 1%
All forms of blackjack count 0.05%

 

[aka23]

Choices are getting extremely limited for US players.

I wouldn't say that. Microgaming, Playtech, and RTG as a whole have done little against US players. The Grand Prive group has been offering (me) 1-2 quality bonuses per day since the bill was passed in the Senate, a higher rate than they ever have offered me before. They may be trying to retain players within the uncertainty. They are not trying to collect money before blocking US players from their funds, as cashouts have been 24-48 hours on all deposits.

 

[SlotsWizard]

I wouldn't say that. Microgaming, Playtech, and RTG as a whole have done little against US players. The Grand Prive group has been offering (me) 1-2 quality bonuses per day since the bill was passed in the Senate, a higher rate than they ever have offered me before. They may be trying to retain players within the uncertainty. They are not trying to collect money before blocking US players from their funds, as cashouts have been 24-48 hours on all deposits.

I agree. I've seen little action from my favorite places to play, except for Intercasino.

 

[mary]

Whoa. Confusion reigns. I think California and New Jersey also explicitly outlaw internet gambling.

The prvately held companies (such as Microgaming) would be under less pressure than the publically traded companies to make immediate announcments-- a publically traded company that says nothing could damage its stock value unnecessarily, which will have effects upon its credit rating and other financial connections.

Speculation that now I-gaming companies are deals ready to be bought by US land operators is premature, I think: some land operators already burnt their fingers trying to make money online (Harrahs)and there have always been a few software providers who avoided taking US bets available.

Internet gambling companies are looking at a triple whammy right now: (1) their executives being picked up on US soil for charges in Louisiana (and who knows what other states), (2)who knows what or when the banks will do something that messes up the movement of money and (3) any advertising expenditures in the US or targeting US players may be wasted as the ads are blocked and no refunds given.

Putting a freeze on US players makes sense. Conversely, US players should put a hold on their gambling as well, and going over your balances preparing for making withdrawals might not be a bad idea.

 

[chuchu59]

I wouldn't say that. Microgaming, Playtech, and RTG as a whole have done little against US players. The Grand Prive group has been offering (me) 1-2 quality bonuses per day since the bill was passed in the Senate, a higher rate than they ever have offered me before. They may be trying to retain players within the uncertainty. They are not trying to collect money before blocking US players from their funds, as cashouts have been 24-48 hours on all deposits.

I hope you are right. Whilst there should be no problems with the reputable ones, it is highly possible that there will be those who will be unable to sustain their business without a stable US base and will go all out to cap a few buck before they close down. Just be wary.

 

[Weedlayer]

Just for clarification, this is what's happening with Spin palace and other Palace (fairground) properties:





These, I'm guessing from the presence of Louisiana and Washington, are the States which legislate locally to make online gambling illegal.

My State is not on the list; I'm locked out of Spin Palace regardless.

Anyone else in my shoes?

 

[amatrine]

Re

I think that the good casinos that do not have the ban just stand to gain more business from the ones that are kicking out US players.

Amatrine

 

[patswin]

One of things I find interesting about this is prior to the legislation passing all the articles I read about it said it would mostly affect sportsbooks only and was not applicable to online casinos. Now that it has passed many casinos have stopped taking US players but the sportsbooks are operating business as usual.

 

[Peaceful1]

This may be a somewhat hypothetical question right now..but may very well come into play. Let's say Bush strikes out Frist's provision re: online gambling. What recourse would casinos such as Intercasino that have decided to lock out U.S. player's accounts proactively take?

 

[paul1]

We apologize for any inconvenience and express our sincere thanks for your continued support.

Yours truly,



Ryan Hartley
Casino Manager

It's been a good run and enjoyed playing in your casino and poker room. You've got to be the most forward looking and user friendly casino in cyber space. I always felt that I could trust Intercasino, the integrity of their software, and the integrity of their management. I don't think any other online casino can hold a candle to Ryan Hartley and his Intercasino in terms of trust and popularity. In my opinion they were the best. Bravo Intercasino!

 

[ryan_hartley]

It's been a good run and enjoyed playing in your casino and poker room. You've got to be the most forward looking and user friendly casino in cyber space. I always felt that I could trust Intercasino, the integrity of their software, and the integrity of their management. I don't think any other online casino can hold a candle to Ryan Hartley and his Intercasino in terms of trust and popularity. In my opinion they were the best. Bravo Intercasino!

Thank you very much for your support it's always reassuring to know that we are valued by our players and I am ever optimistic that the USA will reverse this legislation. Your voice counts!

Regards
Ryan

 

[LooneyTunez]

Add Bet365 to the list...

I just chatted with support at Bet365, and this is what I was told.

"Support rep: I can confirm that as of today bet365 Casino and Poker will no longer be available to US customers.

All Casino and Poker accounts belonging to customers from the US will be locked at some point during today.

You may wish to contact Playtech to ascertain if this applies to all their online casinos."

 

[Tailgun]

I just chatted with support at Bet365, and this is what I was told.

"Support rep: I can confirm that as of today bet365 Casino and Poker will no longer be available to US customers.

All Casino and Poker accounts belonging to customers from the US will be locked at some point during today.

You may wish to contact Playtech to ascertain if this applies to all their online casinos."

Thanks, man! I JUST got online with support and processed my withdrawal while confirming this.

Goddammit this pisses me off! Aren't any of these cowards going to stand and fight? The bill isn't even law yet, let alone had regulations enforcing it put into effect and all these ninnies are running for the hills, locking out U.S. customers from all the best casinos!

 

[Simmo!]

Thanks, man! I JUST got online with support and processed my withdrawal while confirming this.

Goddammit this pisses me off! Aren't any of these cowards going to stand and fight? The bill isn't even law yet, let alone had reulations enforcing it put into effect and all these ninnies are running for the hills, locking out U.S. customers from all the best casinos!

Bet365 run a sportsbook. Its logical that they should take this stance right now. Note how all the casinos closing are PLC and/or answerable to a PLC (Cryptologic) and/or running sportsbooks

 

[sdaddy]

I think that the good casinos that do not have the ban just stand to gain more business from the ones that are kicking out US players.

Amatrine

Excellent point. Could this actually be a windfall for the casinos staying open to U.S. players?

 

[Tailgun]

Bet365 run a sportsbook. Its logical that they should take this stance right now. Note how all the casinos closing are PLC and/or answerable to a PLC (Cryptologic) and/or running sportsbooks

Simmo, have any of the major Playtech casinos closed yet? I really liked Bet365 because their blackjack was Playtech software. Perhaps a better question at this point is: do any good Playtechs appear willing to stay open?

 

[Westland Bowl]

Simmo, have any of the major Playtech casinos closed yet? I really liked Bet365 because their blackjack was Playtech software. Perhaps a better question at this point is: do any good Playtechs appear willing to stay open?

So far Twin Aces Casino is still open. I've done well there.

 

[Simmo!]

Simmo, have any of the major Playtech casinos closed yet? I really liked Bet365 because their blackjack was Playtech software. Perhaps a better question at this point is: do any good Playtechs appear willing to stay open?

BetFred is the only Playtech to "announce" besides Bet365 so far. There have been some noises and Playtech are a publically listed company and their shares (PTEC) are in freefall. It must be an incredibly tough decision for them as, like Crypto, it would affect all their licencees. Here is their only statement so far (from AFX):

LONDON (AFX)

AIM-listed gaming software developer Playtech Ltd said the
new US gaming legislation unexpectedly passed by the US Congress this weekend
will have a material impact its revenues.

Playtech said it continues to receive legal advice regarding the impact of
this legislation and said that whilst it is not an operator of online gaming nor
a payment processor, it is clear that if the legislation becomes effective there
would be a material impact on certain of its licensees and therefore on its
revenues.

However, Playtech stressed that in the first half of 2006 more than 50 pct
of its revenues were derived from non-US players, a figure which it said is
steadily increasing as its adds more new non-US facing licensees.

Incidentally I would expect Playtech to be trying every which way to avoid banning US players.

UPDATE: Casino Tropez, Casino DelRio, Vegas Red and Europa Casino are expected to announce that they will be closing their doors to US players in the next day or two, however that is their decision, not Playtechs, and while it came from one of their affiliate reps, it's not been announced yet so it must still be regarded as hearsay.

 

[RobWin]

Thank you very much for your support it's always reassuring to know that we are valued by our players and I am ever optimistic that the USA will reverse this legislation. Your voice counts!

Regards
Ryan

Ryan, you said it yourself ....."legislation" ..... which means "Not A Law Yet" so why ban us US players now ?

Why not at least wait an see if this gets signed into law ?

Seems as though you guys want gamblers but are not willing to take a gamble yourself...

Really going to miss playing at your casino Ryan, I have played with you guys now ever since 1995....you have gave us the best service and set the precedence for the way fast payouts should be handled....:notworthy

Thanks for all the good times Ryan

 

[Tailgun]

Incidentally I would expect Playtech to be trying every which way to avoid banning US players.

UPDATE: Casino Tropez, Casino DelRio, Vegas Red and Europa Casino are expected to announce that they will be closing their doors to US players in the next day or two, however that is their decision, not Playtechs, and while it came from one of their affiliate reps, it's not been announced yet so it must still be regarded as hearsay.

Nice. Casino Tropez, another one of my accounts. This is just getting better and better. I hear there's a nice craps game down on the corner, maybe Frist would like to have them arrested as well?

I was hoping to deposit with Kiwi this week, once my Neteller deposit to Bet365 reverses. Have we heard anything from the casino operators Down Under?

 

[Rollo]

eog.com's list

Here is another official list: Old / Expired Link

So far they have...

Leaving US Market

Party Poker:
Pacific Poker:
Cryptologic and Affiliated Sites:
Boss:
Sun Poker:
Bet Fred:
Bet365
P1Gaming.com

Staying in US Market - At least for now

True Poker:
Paradise Poker:
Ultimate Bet:
Poker.com:
Absolute
Bodog:
Bugsy'sClub:
Planet Poker:
Full Contact Poker:
Cake Poker:
All privately owned sports books


Undecided

Poker Stars:
Paradise Poker
Full Tilt:
Poker Room:
Titan Poker:
Everest Poker
Neteller

 

[Nifty29]

Thanks for all the info guys

I am assuming Neteller will just stop accepting US residents from making deposits, and still allow other countries like mine to use their USD accounts?

It seems that it will be 'illegal' (whatever that means...like 'illegal WMDs' maybe??) for any US resident to make any kind of money transfer to or from any payment mechanism that may be associated with online gambling. In that case, how would that affect US residents with positive Neteller balances? Would it be 'illegal' to receive money from Neteller, given their association with online gambling?

Every question I think of seems to generate 3 others - Mr Frist needs to take his meds and have a good lie down and let the people of the USA decide how they want to spend their money.

Dont ban it - TAX it. It worked for alcohol.

 

[Simmo!]

Nice. Casino Tropez, another one of my accounts. This is just getting better and better. I hear there's a nice craps game down on the corner, maybe Frist would like to have them arrested as well?

I was hoping to deposit with Kiwi this week, once my Neteller deposit to Bet365 reverses. Have we heard anything from the casino operators Down Under?

There's some news on this one this morning but I need to get clarification as the PR they sent me is ambiguous. It suggests that they will continue taking US players and bets until the Act is signed into law. I'll find out for sure.

 

[aka23]

32 Vegas (and probably others in that group) has a scrolling message in the casino saying that they no longer accept wagers from US players. However, I was able to deposit, play, and cash out.

 

[The Dude]

There's some news on this one this morning but I need to get clarification as the PR they sent me is ambiguous. It suggests that they will continue taking US players and bets until the Act is signed into law. I'll find out for sure.

I had this clarified - they will take US players up until the bill is signed. Once it's signed then that's it - bye US.

 

[amatrine]

Re

Here is an idea for casinos . It seems us checks are exempt from the bill.

I payed last night at Jackots in a flash using instacheck. You litteraly just write out a check. The funds are instant.

Mabey more casinos can pick that up.

Amatrine

 

[VPL]

Hi Guys,

In the light of the recent US Safe Port Act, we would like to make the following announcement:

We will be continuing business as usual for the time being.
Once it is clear how the new law is interpreted, we will work at finding solutions so that your play with us can continue to be unaffected.

Regards
VPL

 

[Westland Bowl]

I was hoping to deposit with Kiwi this week, once my Neteller deposit to Bet365 reverses.

Better hurry if you see my post in time!! After 12:00pm Eastern USA Time, Kiwi Casino will not be accepting any more USA players....per a posting that Damian Dunlap at Online Players Union has there. Kiwi Gaming sent him a letter stating that.

 

[Simmo!]

From a Fortune Affiliates newsletter:

"the Fortune Lounge Group have however notified us that they are and will still be accepting USA players at their casinos and poker rooms"

 

[jetset]

From a Fortune Affiliates newsletter:

"the Fortune Lounge Group have however notified us that they are and will still be accepting USA players at their casinos and poker rooms"

Good for you, Fortune Lounge and VPL!

 

[Tailgun]

Hi Guys,

In the light of the recent US Safe Port Act, we would like to make the following announcement:

We will be continuing business as usual for the time being.
Once it is clear how the new law is interpreted, we will work at finding solutions so that your play with us can continue to be unaffected.

Regards
VPL

Finally somebody with some balls who didn't run for the hills when those craven dirtbags in Congress rattled their swords.

 

[Peaceful1]

I had this clarified - they will take US players up until the bill is signed. Once it's signed then that's it - bye US.

OK.... it's gonna be an online gambling marathon for me during the next week!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

(Oct. 13th is the deadline if they are talking 10 calendar days)

Note- Not that I still don't hold any hope this will get thrown out, but its sort of like hearing rumors of Vegas or Atlantic City getting shut down in 10 days!

 

[amatrine]

Re

Lol.

No doubt , didnt even think of that.

I think the Casios that hold onto Us players stand to make a good profit.

I got the letter from furtune . Im glad to hear it

Ama

 

[dominique]

Unfortunately I don't have time to scan the thread now to see if this has been said already, but the Bellerock group expressed on CAP that it is business as usual as far as they can see.

 

[aka23]

Finally somebody with some balls who didn't run for the hills when those craven dirtbags in Congress rattled their swords.

It's my understanding that's the usual MG policy. I received similar messages from the Jackpot Factory group and the Roxy/Splendido group, as listed below:

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"October 4, 2006 – The management of the Jackpot Factory Group, along with the rest of the online casino community, learned last weekend that the US Senate passed the Unlawful Internet Gambling Enforcement Act, which in essence prohibits banking and payment processors from making or receiving payments from online gambling operations.

Without a doubt, this is a serious development in our industry; however, the Jackpot Factory Group and its casinos are continuing with business as usual for the foreseeable future. We are committed to providing a fun and reputable online casino experience.

Over the course of the next few months, the Jackpot Factory Group, along with BrightShare, our exclusive affiliate program, will continue to monitor this situation. More importantly, though, players will still be able to find safe and secure online gambling at any one of our casinos and affiliates will continue to receive the professional service that they have come to know."

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" We have had a lot of webmasters contacting us to find out our stance on all of this, and what will be happening with regard to Roxy Palace and Vegas Splendido’s US players.

At this point, we will be conducting business as usual and still accept US players at both casinos. Should any further developments emerge, we will keep you informed.

That said, I know a lot of people are still very concerned about the future and are looking at other avenues and markets, if you’re one of them, see below."

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For more information please visit the APE website Link Removed ( Old/Invalid) .

We are here to give you all the support possible and we respect your continued custom for PlayShare.com through our subsidiaries, PokerShare.com and CasinoShare.com."

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[Tailgun]

That's some good news, I really like Vegas Splendido.

 

[AussieDave]

Furthermore, the media is magnifying the problem by calling the legislation "a ban" or "making online gambling illegal" when in fact the legislation only prohibits US financial institutions from transferring funds to online gambling sites.

Don't know what news is hitting Asia Spear, but out here (OZ) in yesterday's business section of one of our daily papers, it made front page with the words, "stocks fall as US bans net gambling"...

The first paragraph reads:

The impact of new United States laws to ban some forms of internet gambling began to hit the Australian stock market yesterday...

I felt like emailing the editor to set him straight...


Cheers

 

[jetset]

That old adage "never let the facts get in the way of a good story" is unfortunately all too true in the many media interpretations I have read on this legislation since the weekend.

Either through ignorance, bias or merely in the interests of presenting a rattling good, panic inducing yarn, some of the writers have shown that they are abysmally ignorant.

Maybe the American politicians counted on that too - scare-mongering sure as hell works as an intimidatory tool when wielded by the DoJ!

There's a good professional assessment of this legislation and its potential over at Cardplayer.com. It's worth reading, especially now the initial hysteria seems to be dying down.

Clearly some companies may have jumped the gun in waving goodbye to US players.

 

[Stanford]

Ugly theory

Clearly some companies may have jumped the gun in waving goodbye to US players.

There is an ugly theory developing at WOL that some of the companies are stripping out the webmaster. When they decide it is alright to let U.S. players return, they won't be linked to the original affiliate who referred them.

Stanford