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6HellsBells6

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Hello all! Sorry for the late reply. Couple of issues here:

1. The auto-forfeit of rewards when initiating a cashout is basically the same thing as forfeiting a bonus balance when initiating a withdrawal. However, we realize that a player feels that he has earned those rewards, a thusly it makes for a pretty bad player experience when they are auto-forfeited upon cashout. We have opted to change this, but unfortunately other tech issues have priority over the Level Up issue. Temporary solution: Contact support on Live Chat or email and ask them to add back your Level Up rewards. It’s not ideal, but it’s what we got until tech fixes it.

2. 91% RTP on Play ‘N Go not displayed. Yes, this is something we have done. No excuses, but I can offer some insight into why: We have tons of different game providers, all of which have an RTP of 94-97%, except Play ‘n Go which is at 91%. Why Play ‘N Go is at the level it is, is a business decision that I unfortunately can’t shed any light on. However, our No-Sticky Bonuses, our patented SpinBooster Level Up system and our casino product in general bring massive value to you, the player. But in the end, it’s your choice where you want to play. Is RTP more important than the best rewards in the business? That's up to you to decide
That explains the dire sessions that I had on your play and go slots as that is what I mainly play. It's like feeding deadspins to watch more deadspins. But yeah...Just ignore the elephant in the room as too why you thought you could make an unauthorized withdrawal from my card? And then pass on my personal info resulting in the spam that I was receiving.
 
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Casino12345

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Hello all! Sorry for the late reply. Couple of issues here:

1. The auto-forfeit of rewards when initiating a cashout is basically the same thing as forfeiting a bonus balance when initiating a withdrawal. However, we realize that a player feels that he has earned those rewards, a thusly it makes for a pretty bad player experience when they are auto-forfeited upon cashout. We have opted to change this, but unfortunately other tech issues have priority over the Level Up issue. Temporary solution: Contact support on Live Chat or email and ask them to add back your Level Up rewards. It’s not ideal, but it’s what we got until tech fixes it.

2. 91% RTP on Play ‘N Go not displayed. Yes, this is something we have done. No excuses, but I can offer some insight into why: We have tons of different game providers, all of which have an RTP of 94-97%, except Play ‘n Go which is at 91%. Why Play ‘N Go is at the level it is, is a business decision that I unfortunately can’t shed any light on. However, our No-Sticky Bonuses, our patented SpinBooster Level Up system and our casino product in general bring massive value to you, the player. But in the end, it’s your choice where you want to play. Is RTP more important than the best rewards in the business? That's up to you to decide
Thank you for your reply.

Could you please reply on my post about the moment I got told that all your games were 94% or higher and where I asked specifically the RTP of Reactoonz and I got told it was at least 94%?
I put a lot of high bets on it. How can you and not show the RTP and then tell me a different RTP than you actually use?
 

ultra100

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Not lower than 94%?

Is RTP more important than the best rewards in the business?

I wouldn't ask that question at CM Forum, as most knowledgeable & experienced players are here. Pretty sure, over 95% would vote for higher RTP.

the best rewards in the business

Also, this statement is a kind of "questionable"?
 

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syntynyt

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Ahahhaha. This 91% robbery wrapped in a nice layout gets 8.5 score here. Setting RTP that low is the most ANTIPLAYER thing one can find in the sea of online casinos. This is how much one should care about 'accreditation' or other names given for Quality when vouching for a casino here or on other portals. If id be new to online casinos id bite the 8.5 and go for it. Unless its 8.5 out of 20 points, this is wrong.
 

curremon

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Maybe we heard from rep next wednesday since hes popping up once a week to say something stupid like "who cares about rtp when you have can have 3 spins at 60cent bet" and then disappears for another week.
 

Meto95

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"Is RTP more important than the best rewards in the business?"

Hahahah best rewards hahaha, time to close my account here.
 

DreamRJ

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Hello all! Sorry for the late reply. Couple of issues here:

1. The auto-forfeit of rewards when initiating a cashout is basically the same thing as forfeiting a bonus balance when initiating a withdrawal. However, we realize that a player feels that he has earned those rewards, a thusly it makes for a pretty bad player experience when they are auto-forfeited upon cashout. We have opted to change this, but unfortunately other tech issues have priority over the Level Up issue. Temporary solution: Contact support on Live Chat or email and ask them to add back your Level Up rewards. It’s not ideal, but it’s what we got until tech fixes it.

2. 91% RTP on Play ‘N Go not displayed. Yes, this is something we have done. No excuses, but I can offer some insight into why: We have tons of different game providers, all of which have an RTP of 94-97%, except Play ‘n Go which is at 91%. Why Play ‘N Go is at the level it is, is a business decision that I unfortunately can’t shed any light on. However, our No-Sticky Bonuses, our patented SpinBooster Level Up system and our casino product in general bring massive value to you, the player. But in the end, it’s your choice where you want to play. Is RTP more important than the best rewards in the business? That's up to you to decide

I will not be playing at your casino. But I just wanted to say this reply was great. I wished more reps was this honest. SO I just wanted to give you my praise and appreciation in what you replied and said. So well done and also welcome to the forum and congrats on being accredited. I hope it stays that way and I hope you continue to speak honestly like u did in this above post too going forward. :)

Hats of to you though!

EDIT: Oh wait hang on. But then I read page 2 and then noticed the day you made that post. And noticed you have been inactive since!? so maybe I was a bit too fast in giving you praise. Maybe I should re-think and wait another week or month and then give my next reply then? perhaps!
 
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hhhelllo

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91% lol
Must be nice to enjoy a curacao liscense with hidden rtp on png slots
I have enough info to keep doing what I do…. Not play at casinofriday
 

jontywills

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It's refreshing for a rep to cut the bull and be so honest. People see through the smoke and mirrors and you lose credibility.

An honest answer to your question - absolutely, without a shadow of a doubt.

You are a casino, and the products are the core of what you offer. Anything else, to me personally, is just hogwash.

Play'n GO are a leading provider with a decent share of player attention. Nothing you offer, as far as I know, will compensate for a player's losses at 91% RTP. In fact, nothing any casino offers will compensate for that loss compared to playing elsewhere at 96%.

Thanks for being so honest and not hiding, that's encouraging and not common with reps in my experience. If I could play at CasinoFriday I would, because of your attention to the forum and the perks you mention. I would just stay away from Play'n GO, that way I get the perks and play Relax BTG, Yggdrasil etc at 96%ish.
They did try and hide the Play n go RTP. They got pulled up on it and he had no choice but to own up to it.
 

bamberfishcake

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They did try and hide the Play n go RTP. They got pulled up on it and he had no choice but to own up to it.

Must admit, I don't play Play'n GO much. If they are happy for casinos to hide RTP and remove the number from their files, then what else do they do to con players out of money?

I personally think for a game developer to offer a choice of RTP to be hidden from players, they should be avoided at all costs.
 

Nate

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91% RTP on Play ‘N Go not displayed. Yes, this is something we have done. No excuses, but I can offer some insight into why: We have tons of different game providers, all of which have an RTP of 94-97%, except Play ‘n Go which is at 91%. Why Play ‘N Go is at the level it is, is a business decision that I unfortunately can’t shed any light on. However, our No-Sticky Bonuses, our patented SpinBooster Level Up system and our casino product in general bring massive value to you, the player. But in the end, it’s your choice where you want to play. Is RTP more important than the best rewards in the business? That's up to you to decide
This statement is not accurate.

You are running Red Tigers at 90% (Check Piggy Riches MW). You are running Dead or Alive at 93.03%.

I ONLY checked those two.

Nate
 

CertaCas

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This statement is not accurate.

You are running Red Tigers at 90% (Check Piggy Riches MW). You are running Dead or Alive at 93.03%.

I ONLY checked those two.

Nate

Wait, does DoA 2 have different RTP settings as well?! I always blindly trusted it to be the same across all casinos :confused:
Edit: If it's not 96.8% what else can it be?
 
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Nate

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Wait, does DoA 2 have different RTP settings as well?! I always blindly trusted it to be the same across all casinos :confused:
Edit: If it's not 96.8% what else can it be?
DoA 2 does not have variable RTP as far as I know. The classic DoA is the culprit.

Nate
 

Casinomeister

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Ahahhaha. This 91% robbery wrapped in a nice layout gets 8.5 score here. Setting RTP that low is the most ANTIPLAYER thing one can find in the sea of online casinos. This is how much one should care about 'accreditation' or other names given for Quality when vouching for a casino here or on other portals. If id be new to online casinos id bite the 8.5 and go for it. Unless its 8.5 out of 20 points, this is wrong.
RTP is not part of the rating score - it never has been since variable RTPs are only a recent thing, and are too difficult to track. The CM team and I are trying to come up with a solution for this though.

If you have a reasonable idea on how to rate casinos according to their RTP level, by all means let me know how this can be done with the minimal amount of manhours.
 

syntynyt

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RTP is not part of the rating score - it never has been since variable RTPs are only a recent thing, and are too difficult to track. The CM team and I are trying to come up with a solution for this though.

If you have a reasonable idea on how to rate casinos according to their RTP level, by all means let me know how this can be done with the minimal amount of manhours.
Every casino listed as good to go should have in its own page somewhere at the top the pivotal information about a list of all providers offered and next to them to show if is variable or default RTP for each, and a link to show the meaning of the term RTP and the calculations.

Score wise, if they offer 3 or more providers with reduced RTP like Pragmatic, Notent and Redtiger it should weight heavily towards the score as that is not a player friendly casino anymore and is unfairly competing with the brands offering highest RTP or just one provider variable RTP. Deducting fractions of their points based on a math formula is tricky as Videoslots rewards-as-you-play programme is untouchable yet they squeezed the RTP to abysmal levels wherever they could. What is important now is an urgent update to each casino page. Players needs to have this info displayed in their face, casinos that reduced the RTP have NEVER announced it trying to hide the facts and those that don't display the RTP at all making it inconclusive are borderline Costa Rica licence material, no difference than running pirated games. Those reps that lied with deceit by claiming higher numbers should be frowned upon. It's their job to know the facts of the place they represent and state them truly when asked, playing fool, naive or acting as not in the known is not acceptable. Anyway the novelty of online games having higher RTPs than landbased is wearing off for sure long term, you d get a pint, food, cash in hand winnings and the atmosphere by playing what flouts now online in the landbased, for better value and real fun for the money spent with the same odds of winning if 91 RTP is a glimpse as a whole into the online gambling future.
 

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A rating system which includes RTP would be really hard to implement and track as RTPs could change at any time at any of the 100's of casinos listed here. There are at least 4500 slots out there and even if 1 changes, the rating system here would need to be updated. Been thinking about this for 2 days straight and can't think of an easy way to do it.

Maybe the licensing bodies should instruct game providers to display the available RTP settings as the game loads and what setting that particular casino is using. This would give players the opportunity to decide if they wish to play at that level. At the end of the day, it will force everyone to go back to 1 setting. Will take years though to become a reality.

Alternatively, Bryan's advice about using the minion system is the way to go. Minions can give a casino a negative rating if the RTP is on the lowest settings.
 

CasinoNinja

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It's no harder than to change the rating if the customer service has gone downhill no?

Easy.

In all reality the main providers a casino would use lower RTP is play and GO, Red Tiger, Pragmatic, Netent ++ given their vaste catalogue if those are on lower RTP they get some penalty points.
 

Krogilasi

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so are there any casinos which do give a "good" RTP on playngo?
Pretty much most of the biggest if not all, but look for the giants in the industry, they will usually offer the best, and hopefully they are staying that way to show everyone else how its done. Some littlebit smaller casinos are serving the default RTP:s on playngo as well, but it seems like most of the smaller ones are slowly going on ''bad ways'' in players perspective with bigger profits on their mind. Maybe some of them understand that default RTP's are actually pretty good competitive statement in the market, might not be right now (doubt it, big boys having defaults, so they must know it).

This is not only to friday. This is just my opinion, but in my eyes its discusting how all of these low-rtp:ers treat their players as general with this RTP hustling when there is no mention at all from casino side that they are making small updates on their games. Those "small" updates cost your players even more money and we all know the difference between lets say 96% -> 94%. Thats huge, and you can feel it in your sessions, the money just goes more fast and the variance is getting even more fked up than it is already at default %. Thinking about 91.. Or even 87% ?? Haha, you need to update those "Good luck!" wishes on the game as well like "Have better luck than a good luck! you most probably see only shit sessions now".. Like you dont need the luck already with playing 96% ? Its devastating how they all underestimate their players who are bringing that fricking money to them.

Oh, not forget to mention that i would thought that those casinos who chooses lower RTP versions of their most played games, making even higher profits, could justify better bonuses right? -Well, havent seen any of them from these rtp hustlers, generally all the bonuses seem to go even more bad year by year even from them, and in many cases you can only laugh for their offers. 10% and 20% deposit bonus offers are not good offers. Or few spins after your level upgrade. Or 10 starburst spins with 50e deposit. Come on, you can do better as you most of the cases have wagering for back you up anyway. I have to mention i am personally lucky that i saw the golden time of the bonuses years ago. There are still good VIP programs, but they are all from the biggest groups in the industry. My best bet right now is to stick with the giants.

Easy solution from us is to avoid all of those who are not giving your money value. Yes, and default rtp is actually one value comparing it to lower versions nowadays. Its better for your wallet and hopefully one day in order to get things going they are going back to value their players. I pretty much doubt it anyway.
 

jontywills

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RTP is not part of the rating score - it never has been since variable RTPs are only a recent thing, and are too difficult to track. The CM team and I are trying to come up with a solution for this though.

If you have a reasonable idea on how to rate casinos according to their RTP level, by all means let me know how this can be done with the minimal amount of manhours.
Rating a casino should not be directly related to the RTP of slots imo.

Rating a casino in regards to RTP should only come into effect IF like @CasinoFriday (cowboys) they do not publish said RTP if its reduced and even try and hide it.

I think a note from casinomeister in regards to casino games and their RTP at the review/rating stage should always be added as footnote imo.

But I hope after this forum and other issues myself and other players are having with @CasinoFriday their review and rating here is change to reflect this.
 
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