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I felt this was worth sharing. I believe that forum is now public. There is no reason to doubt the OP and owner of the site as his rep in the industry sparkles. I am speechless.
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Me too, I read that over there earlier and it reminded me of what they had done to Jeremy's account at PAP and to continue with these types of childish charades is just mind boggling to say the least. The sad part is though that this type of nonsense will only do more damage to this industry and will just take that much longer to clean it up again.

Hell for all we know Lou and Warren could be the ones managing the SPAM program for GoldVIPClub...:rolleyes:
 
Added to Michael Corfman's latest disclosures (including that interesting Cake Poker document on the url at point 13) this reflects very badly on Affiliate Media et al and unfortunately, as Robwin says, the industry in general.

Really shocking.
 
APCW Perspectives Friday 01/23/09 - CARDSPIKE

The Kentucky domain name seizure case has a verdict, and it's good news! Not such good news for the online poker room Cardspike, as we finally get closer to the truth, and how Casino Affiliate Program's Lou Fabiano and Warren Jolly may be connected.

 
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Can I state that I'm officially pissed off now? :what:
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Honest to God Bryan...no sarcasm, and no being a smartass on my part. But are you really surprised? Judging from your reaction, it seems that you expected better from these people. Not looking to get into a bashfest, just looking for an honest answer.

Taking into account the way business has always been done there (ie. "certifying" rogue programs/casinos for a fee), and things that have been done in the past (ie. sales of player databases), and the revelations in this thread...I'd have to say that I agree with Tofu on this one 100%. The sooner these people are gone from the landscape, the better. There "may" have been some benefit to affiliates...but their presence certainly does NOT help the player in any way shape, or form. And as Jet and Rob stated, it certainly doesn't help the industry as a whole.

What this industry needs are people who are willing to consider ALL aspects, and actually remember that the PLAYER is the one who pays everyone's bills. What we don't need is an organization whose sole objective is to make money at any cost, and who have absolutely zero consideration for player issues/concerns or for the improvement of the industry.

This industry sorely needs a HUGE dose of ethics/morals all the way around.
 
Pinababy69 said:
...Judging from your reaction, it seems that you expected better from these people...
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When I ask questions - I expect honest answers. CAP has made a number of public statements/claims which have pretty much been flushed down the toilet with last video and document from Cake.
 
We still have Absolute Slots where the affiliate program is run by Effective Media. Is it the same deal as Card Spike? How can we know what other programs are run by EM. What else is out there? What a tangled web!
 
Casinomeister said:
All I can say is WTF?

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I can only assume they didn't go with this proposal, at least not in whole since they are not using Cake's support or payment processing. I gues there is some outside chance Cake outsources Jazette's suppot and processing under another name but I can't see it being that way, especially since Jazette already existed with this processor and support before joining Cake late in 2006.
 
lots0 said:
Especially odd that the date is blacked out... :what:
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I have received lots of information from various sources related to the CardSpike situation. One thing that is very important as a media outlet is to respect the wishes of your confidential sources about what they are willing to let you release. I actually had the information about this document a long time ago, but earlier on it was provided to me on the condition that I not release it at all. In the past week I was given permission to release it, but only if I agreed not to publish the information that was blocked out.

In this particular case, the percentages were blocked because it was agreed it was inappropriate and unnecessary to disclose the detailed financial terms that apply between Cake and its licensees to the general public. The specific date was blocked out to help protect our confidential source.

I would also like to add that I view Cake as being a very reputable organization, and the victim of disreputable actions by others. Personally, I strongly recommend the Cake Poker Network, just not through the rogue CardSpike skin. Cake is doing the right thing by helping make sure the situation is cleaned up properly, but the rest of us can definitely help out by using other skins on that network.

Michael
 
Casino City said:
I would also like to add that I view Cake as being a very reputable organization, and the victim of disreputable actions by others. Personally, I strongly recommend the Cake Poker Network, just not through the rogue CardSpike skin. Cake is doing the right thing by helping make sure the situation is cleaned up properly, but the rest of us can definitely help out by using other skins on that network.

Michael
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I agree with this as well. Cake went from a tiny poker room 2.5 years ago to a major player. While this may reflect badly on them this is not their doing and whoever licensed CardSpike had to think it was a good idea considering the people they were going into business with. I'm sure they had no idea where this was going.
 
Bryan, (Casinomeister) I really liked what you had to say in your post from earlier today over at the CAP Forum, you could not have been any clearer on the issue but it may have all been in vain now as it appears that Lou or Warren one have hid it away for no one to see now...jeeze

I guess that is Lou and Warrens answer to their view on the transparency issue, huh...:rolleyes:
 
Lou Fabiano claims he's leaving CAP... :rolleyes:

Posted Jan.24th 2009 on CAP:


Professor
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Professor Signing Off

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After the all the negative press and activity of the past few months I have decided it's probably best for the community moving forward if I left. For whatever reason I create too much of a distraction and raise too many questions by even being here anymore. I know many believe I am some kind of monster now and even my old friends have fallen silent in support (Other than BB1 Thanks Steve). I will do whats best and simply move on. It's been a great run and I truly enjoyed it. I met some of the best people I have ever known through CAP and it's taken me wonderful places around the world. I would rather remember it fondly then grow bitter and forget all the good we have done together.

I have always loved this business and loved CAP, it's been my baby for so many years and it's hard to let go. But now its turned into a nightmare thats damaging my health and something I dread getting up to. Unfortunately I have already purchased tickets to London and have a hotel room booked so I may go, but even if I do this is my last appearance at the events. I will also be turning over the reins here to a younger team and staff with fresh ideas that can keep CAP moving in a positive direction. I sincerely hope everyone finds them more agreeable to work with. It's time for me to move on.

God bless all my friends and have a prosperous 2009. I am certain we will see a major surge of business in the latter quarters of the year and the new CAP will be here to help you make the most of that opportunity.

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BYE BYE :thumbsup:​
 
RobWin said:
Bryan, (Casinomeister) I really liked what you had to say in your post from earlier today over at the CAP Forum, you could not have been any clearer on the issue but it may have all been in vain now as it appears that Lou or Warren one have hid it away for no one to see now...jeeze

I guess that is Lou and Warrens answer to their view on the transparency issue, huh...:rolleyes:
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Is it this post Rob? I hadn't read it and if so, thanks for the heads up.

I am going to copy this post here, with a linkback to CAP, and hope that protocol is acceptable. Bryan, if that is out of line for me to do so....obviously you are free to delete it. But I think your members here deserve to read the words you wrote. As Rob said, it is an awesome post. Once again, you have restored some of my faith in you. There have been lots of changes around here lately, some of which I'm not too impressed with...but that's a whole different issue. But this post speaks volumes about you, your character and what side of the fence you come down on. Thank you.

Here is the link to the post at CAP...it is in a "members only" section though.

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And here is Bryan's post, minus any comments by Lou that he had included. I hope that doesn't push anything out of context.

Casinomeister; said:
Hi Lou - and everyone who has been following the Cardspike/CAP/ENG etc. thing.

The thread that I was commenting on was locked, so I didn't have a chance to respond to your last post. I hope you don't mind me doing so here. Please don't take this as an act of hijacking the forum - I just wanted to make one last comment.
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I understand running a business. And one of the most important things that I have learned in this industry is that it is not about money. Go ahead and laugh, but to me it's not. Money does not motivate me - dealing with people, assisting others, and being creative with my website does. The people who know me can attest to this.

I have also learned that trust goes a long way. Same thing goes for being transparent - especially when dealing with casino player and affiliate situations. And I don't feel that you have served your members (affiliates and programs) what they honestly deserve - a more transparent operation.

Comparing the way Casinomeister is set up to CAP is comparing bananas to bowling balls. You certify aff programs - I certify (in a way) casinos. That's comparible. If I were managing a casino that was listed on my site, well then yeah, then you could compare the two. But I'm not.

If I were to decide to manage a casino, I would damn sure tell everyone - and probably keep that casino off of my site just to ensure that there were no conflicts of interest.

And then I'd put the bong away; managing an entity that I am supposedly "Certifying" is just a dope smoker's dream to begin with.

Further: I was hoping you would directly comment on this CAP/Cake proposal, but you have chosen to not do this. That's your preogative - this is your business, not mine.

NOTE: We do not link out of private areas please.

I was flattered to receive the award last year, especially since I was not a member of CAP - nor of any affiliate association. I'm sure you remember the falling out I had with the GPWA during the Slycin years...but that is another story.

I know what you do - I see the positive stuff...but recently, this EMG/Cardspike/conflict of interest has overshadowed everything.

We don't need to chat "man to man" in London. This issue is about transparency, and in my opinion would not be fair to your members to be confiding with me about this in private. My questions and comments were in the other thread, and actually they have been pretty much answered.

I'll be at the awards dinner, but that is about it. Like I mentioned in last nights video, I won't be attending CAP Euro this year.
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Yea, that was it Pina...glad you found it and posted it here for all the members of Casinomeister to actually see what kind of guy Bryan is and what kind of character he really has...:thumbsup:

PS: Read my PM I sent you the other day...:p
 
IMO...I would imagine that Lou is only leaving CAP so that he can dedicate all of his time to EMG and the "Consulting" that he is doing and the affiliate management, if he really is leaving and not just saying that to further work 'Behind" the scenes.
 
I dunno the man went way to far to try an hide the facts that he was involved with this an that to all of a sudden quit

it doesn't make any sense to just up an throw it away

I think there is way more then bein said like he might just be removing his name but I bet he is still involved


he caved way to easy something smells here

Cindy IMO
 
I would say that this resignation could be motivated by three things, assuming that Lou has accepted that some or all of the criticism he has been subjected to may have merit:

1) An emotional decision made after weeks of pressure brought on by these now very public allegations and disclosures - noone likes to be perceived as a monster, and Lou has hinted that this has been bad for his health in a personal sense.

2) In line with Robwin's judgement - a conscious decision to try and limit the impact of these attacks on the Affiliate Media group and its top management in a commercial sense by Lou (kind of) falling on his sword and moving out of the day-to-day management, leaving a new management team more prepared and flexible to make the changes that may be necessary for the commercial health of the group going forward.

This is not an uncommon business tactic which if employed honestly can bring about positive change - but it demands considerable personal discipline if the owner remains the owner and has not sold his interest.

3) A cynical and cosmetic attempt to distance the current top management from this mess in the hope that it will limit damage to the company without necessarily making any changes. That is a no-win solution if the root causes of the attacks on the company and its managers remain.

My personal and charitable inclination is to believe that Lou's motivation is the second possibility - noone would want to see something built up over time and with hard work damaged irritrievably when change can be effected. But if true that will take a great deal of discipline on Lou's part if he is to remain a major shareholder.

And it doesn't address the problem that Warren Jolly may represent as the other top man (and presumably shareholder?) at AMI who has also been criticised.

But this is all speculation until this resignation is formalised, and a concrete statement is issued by AMI on how it will impact the company and what arrangements are to be made in the future for appointment of a new management structure and the advancement of the company and its subsidiaries.

That's assuming that (2) is the reason for this sudden, probably difficult and rather surprising decision by Lou.
 
Well, my voice has been stymied over there - my account no longer has access to the public or private threads. :rolleyes:

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Casinomeister, you do not have permission to access this page. This could be due to one of several reasons:

1. Your user account may not have sufficient privileges to access this page. Are you trying to edit someone else's post, access administrative features or some other privileged system?
2. If you are trying to post, the administrator may have disabled your account, or it may be awaiting activation.
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I guess I am no longer a member...

So much for having an open discussion. :p

Oh well, guess I'll hang out around here where I belong.
 
Casinomeister said:
Well, my voice has been stymied over there - my account no longer has access to the public or private threads. :rolleyes:

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I guess I am no longer a member...

So much for having an open discussion. :p

Oh well, guess I'll hang out around here where I belong.
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That's odd beings that link goes to the General Discussion area, and I can view it without being logged on.

Does that mean you're officially banned? If so, I'm probably next.
 
Casinomeister Banned at CAP

Yes, I am officially banned. Can't PM, can't read the public areas while logged in.

What a joke...but what the hell.

Ironic isn't it that CAP Best Casino Affiliate 2007 and Best Overall Affiliate 2007 have been banned from their forums this year; me and J.Todd :rolleyes:
 
Casinomeister said:
Yes, I am officially banned. Can't PM, can't read the public areas while logged in.

What a joke...but what the hell.

Ironic isn't it that CAP Best Casino Affiliate 2007 and Best Overall Affiliate 2007 have been banned from their forums this year; me and J.Todd :rolleyes:
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Two big trouble makers huh...lol, but do go and enjoy that free meal that CAP is putting on...hell I would...:D
 
Casinomeister said:
Yes, I am officially banned. Can't PM, can't read the public areas while logged in.

What a joke...but what the hell.

Ironic isn't it that CAP Best Casino Affiliate 2007 and Best Overall Affiliate 2007 have been banned from their forums this year; me and J.Todd :rolleyes:
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What a joke indeed. I can't think of anything productive to say, nor can I come up with anything humorous at the moment. I think the actions of the CAP administration say everything that needs to be said anyway.

Hope you're not too upset Bryan? ;) :laugh:
 
Casinomeister said:
Yes, I am officially banned. Can't PM, can't read the public areas while logged in.

What a joke...but what the hell.

Ironic isn't it that CAP Best Casino Affiliate 2007 and Best Overall Affiliate 2007 have been banned from their forums this year; me and J.Todd :rolleyes:
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Is that it? Just barred from access without any notification or upfront reason for the deprivation of reading and posting privileges?

That's a draconian approach - if you did that here all hell would break loose!
 
You know after reading all this it's hard to say.
"Who do you really trust online"
It's just a shame it all turned out this way.
One thing that comes to mind is "To Much Greed Gets In Your Way"
Well I guess they say If the kitchen is to hot get the &%^$%$ out.
You know the three top people I would ever go for any help with any gaming matters would be Bryan,Dom,& Jinnia :thumbsup:
I have just a few more I would go too also.
Thanks all of you for the help you have done for me.
B-T (Tom)

This banning thing is so childish.
Because you have a good say in the matter and they can't take it.
See what Truth does to some.
This is Sad
 
jetset said:
Is that it? Just barred from access without any notification or upfront reason for the deprivation of reading and posting privileges?

That's a draconian approach - if you did that here all hell would break loose!
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Just not right. All Bryan did was ask a question.
 
Casinomeister said:
Yes, I am officially banned. Can't PM, can't read the public areas while logged in.

What a joke...but what the hell.

Ironic isn't it that CAP Best Casino Affiliate 2007 and Best Overall Affiliate 2007 have been banned from their forums this year; me and J.Todd :rolleyes:
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So does this mean you and JTodd aren't going to be taking the Best Casino Affiliate 2008 and Best Overall Affiliate 2008 awards?

You might win the award again, banned. :what:
 
How is he banned, but able to send a Private Message?

I just took this from his profile at CAP. Bryan, you may have clicked a link that was moved? Did you see a message that said you are banned?

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Casinomeister said:
Yes, I am officially banned. Can't PM, can't read the public areas while logged in.

What a joke...but what the hell.

Ironic isn't it that CAP Best Casino Affiliate 2007 and Best Overall Affiliate 2007 have been banned from their forums this year; me and J.Todd :rolleyes:
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Welcome to the club. There are hundreds of us! :rolleyes:

It does show me that if even Casinomeister can't ask questions, then No One can. Unfortunatly many feel that The Professor is not really resigning but is instead damage control. That in itself is a sad statement when his word is no longer taken.
 
Talk about a chicken shit thing to do, as soon as I point out publicly that my account was banned (to be more accurate 95% disabled) it's functioning now.

I'm not stupid - I've used vBulletin for years and I know how the back-end works. They probably have a "bastard child" user group - can't read 95% of the forum, can't post, can't PM, and they dropped me into this user group right after I posted the "Cap and its Transparency" thread. Who ever moved that thread into the private area was probably the one who disabled my account.

And as soon as I mention that I've been banned over here - it's "oh, your account wasn't banned, what are you talking about?"

I don't have time for these juvenile BS antics - I've told them to go ahead and close my account.

Whatever respect I had for CAP up until now has just dropped completely off the radar.

What bullshit.
 
Elgoog said:
I understand your point Bryan,
but if someone can get things clear it's you,
and the only way is to communicate.
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I agree. Before I came to know that Bryan's access to CAP forum has been blocked, I posted in the 'Professor Signing Off'- thread in the CAP forum requesting the Prof to use the CM forum to make a clear statement about the CS affair. I know it will be too naive to think that my posting may have any positive effect, but, being an optimist I also think that Bryan must keep the door for any communication with Lou open.
 
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I can't read it, either. I'm banned from CAP.
Perhaps you begin to see the truth about CAP and Lou?
They ban people for speaking the truth, for saying what they think, and if it isn't something Lou wants to hear or to be known, he bans the poster and either edits the posts or removes the thread altogether. And lies, lies, lies.
Been like that for years.
Now he banned Bryan here, got caught and went back into the back end to fiddle with things so it doesn't appear he's banned. But in all practicality he is, since his account is so restricted, it's frozen.
 
dominique said:
I very much hope communication stays open.
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What communication? :lolup:

The administration of CAP has demonstrated already that if anyone either questions or makes comments that are not good for their business, it is stifled.

Honestly, they have said enough via either their convoluted statements or silence. I think most persons can see what is going on and can easily read between the lines.

Like I mentioned earlier, I don't have a dog in this fight. But I have wasted an incredible amount of time trying to get CAP's administration to realize that their conflict of interest is not only "bad" - it's unacceptable.

They need not to communicate further - what has been said has been said. This issue is over IMO.
 
Being banned at CAP just shows the World... Your Honest and you speak your mind!

Wear that CAP Banning like the badge of honor it is....
 
he does have a messenger here "Lou" that it an its "GamTrak" - IMO
they have done all the posting for "Lou" - IMO
"Lou" is a coward to send some one to do his talking for him - IMO
"Bryan" had the guts to go to their forum an post an look how he was treated - we all saw
now they have "GamTrak" coming here an saying what he isnt banned - changed that up quick
yeah right just was then wasnt but wait it is limited to what he can see - in other words 1/2 banned sheesh

I still say "Lou" is not retiring its all a ploy - IMO

Cindy
 
jas2587 said:
he does have a messenger here "Lou" that it an its "GamTrak" - IMO
they have done all the posting for "Lou" - IMO
"Lou" is a coward to send some one to do his talking for him - IMO
"Bryan" had the guts to go to their forum an post an look how he was treated - we all saw
now they have "GamTrak" coming here an saying what he isnt banned - changed that up quick
yeah right just was then wasnt but wait it is limited to what he can see - in other words 1/2 banned sheesh

I still say "Lou" is not retiring its all a ploy - IMO

Cindy
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Let's chill please. Gamtrack was under the impression I was NOT banned because at that time they had re-enabled my account.

Lou is still a member here so no personal attacks - thank you.
 
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