CAP Loyalty?

[RobWin]

CAP Loyalty ??

This article that I have posted below was pulled from the archives here at Casinomeister News from an article that was published back on 4 July 2003. The actual link is https://www.casinomeister.com/static/news/july2003.html

Now my question is: Is this the same "Dominique" that we still have here today, that is still posting here ??

If it is, it does in a way sorta explain Dominique's undying loyalty to CAP in my opinion and why she is still a hard core backer of CAP which IMO is fine as it is her choice to do so. If this is not the same "Dominique", then I apologize for connecting her in any way to this news article...

Someone please enlighten the rest of us here regarding this "News Article" and what the ultimate outcome of it was because the current "Dominique" that is here is also currently posting over at the GPWA.

LIAISON OFFICER FIRED FOR SEEKING REWARD
4 July 2003

Another GPWA expulsion

The fur was flying on leading message boards this week following the expulsion of a senior Gambling Portal Webmaster Association official operating under the pseudonym "Dominique"

In a widely distributed press release the first shot was fired by GPWA manager Cynthia Carley who revealed that the "entire GPWA membership" had been "...shaken to its core this past weekend when it was discovered that one of its most trusted and high profile members has been attempting to ellicit (sic) regular monthly payments from a casino affiliate program for their volunteer work at the GPWA as the affiliate program's Liaison."

The GPWA apparently has members who voluntarily act as liaison officers between GPWA members and specific casino affiliate programs. The release stresses that these volunteers are not authorized to act in any capacity other than this, and that they are not entitled to seek reward due to the non-profit nature of Association.

Carley claims in the press release, "The GPWA is not a revenue generating association and, other than a small monthly maintenance and advertising fee charged to the member casinos for their private forums, no one, not even the Manager, earns money for their work at GPWA."

"Dominique" was asked to explain herself after one of the casino affiliate managers, believed to be from Casino Coins checked her bid for "consulting fees" with Carley. It is understood that Dominique admitted her conduct to the membership and was then locked out of the GPWA system whilst a discussion on her conduct and possible expulsion took place. This ended in a majority vote for expulsion and the despatch of the press release.

It appears that further and unspecified transgressions occurred, too as the release goes on to reveal that "As this was discussed by the members this weekend, more and more information came to light that this member has been acting in a number of unauthorized and improper ways, much of it on behalf of, or in the name of, GPWA; some of it also on the behalf of other GPWA members, unbeknownst to them."

Citing grievous conflict of interest and a breach of ethics, Carley expelled Dominique permanently from the Association.

That was the "official" part of the incident, but leading message boards were soon bristling with posts both for and against the decision. Many of these became heated and wider in scope, embracing the reasons for a number of previous expulsions and resignations, criticism of the management, a bid for control, questions regarding the tax and revenue status of New York-based GPWA and opinions on affiliate responsibilities to players and on the actions of other members. In the process well-known names were bruited about.

At one point Carley, posting under the handle "Slycin" responded to a "corruption in the upper ranks" comment from Dominique by making the rather intimidating comment "GPWA has a policy of not releasing defamatory information, however, if you persist in this we may be forced to."

It seemed to work, with Dominique's response being a chastened "I am done here". Strangely, for the person at the original centre of the storm, "Dominique" although joining in on the bitter exchanges on various sites did little to shed more light on the subject. The "final statement" and no-questions-will-be-answered that she posted later in the week seemed to confirm irregular conduct and emphasised her complete divorce from the GPWA.

 

[dominique]

That was definitely me, and the web is full of threads about this. I always post with the same name everywhere. It made quite a splash at the time.

Perhaps the shortest one capturing a lot of the stuff is here:

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I don't much like the topic, not because I mind commenting on what actually happened, but because that was another "war" between GPWA and CAP, it happened a long time ago.

I was very, very angry at first, and when I decided to forgive and forget, it was permanent and it has been buried for years.

I value my membership at GPWA and it is a totally different place since Michael took over.

"slycin" in the above thread was then running GPWA, and it is quite ironic how things have come full circle in a way.

I don't want to do or say anything whatsoever that reflects badly on the GPWA so I think it wise to let Bryan field this one, he was around and I assume he was watching.

 

[Simmo!]

Meister's away for a couple of days.

This is 6 years old when GPWA was under different ownership. It eventually capitulated and was bought by Casino City. It's history and long since forgotten. So I'm not quite sure what your pointin bringing this up here Rob?

 

[RobWin]

Meister's away for a couple of days.

This is 6 years old when GPWA was under different ownership. It eventually capitulated and was bought by Casino City. It's history and long since forgotten. So I'm not quite sure what your pointin bringing this up here Rob?

Actually I was just scanning thru all the old archived news articles this weekend to see if I could find some more history on the GPWA/CAP issues and how they all got originally started and I just stumbled across this one and had never read this before so I was just simply curious if this article related to "our" Dom or if this was someone else.

Thanks for clarifying this Dom.

 

[Casino City]

Simmo! is right that this is ancient history, and actually before the time I was involved with the GPWA, so it is difficult for me to comment about specifics of what went on at the time. What I do know is that there were real rifts between members of the GPWA back then, and the level of bannings that went on at the GPWA in that timeframe were pretty severe, and perhaps even similar to what has happened at CAP more recently on that front. So sorting fact from fiction and politics from working in the interest of members back then is difficult at best.

I can say is that my own relationship with Dom has been a very positive one, and I view her has being solidly on the side of what is good for affiliates and for the industry in general. If you look at the posts she has made in the casinomeister forums, I think that is clear. And I think it is also clear if you look at the posts she has made at CAP and at GPWA over the last several years.

Personally, I wish she was more active at the GPWA and less active at CAP, but then I think that the fact I respect her tremendously even though that is not the case says a lot.

Michael Corfman
GPWA Executive Director

 

[RobWin]

Personally, I wish she was more active at the GPWA and less active at CAP, but then I think that the fact I respect her tremendously even though that is not the case says a lot.

Michael Corfman
GPWA Executive Director

Yes, Myself and a whole slue of others also wish the same as I personally have always respected Dom and looked upon her as one of the prominent leaders in this Industry...I just wish she would see the true light of CAP and their ulterior motives.

 

[greedygirl]

Perhaps the shortest one capturing a lot of the stuff is here:

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Ahhhhh...a walk down memory lane.

Good times. Good times.

 

[jas2587]

Ahhhhh...a walk down memory lane.

Good times. Good times.

Greedy you sure show your Loyality an Honesty in that post just as I remember ya I commend ya

Cindy

 

[RobWin]

Greedy you sure show your Loyality an Honesty in that post just as I remember ya I commend ya

Cindy

Cindy, you are not this Cindy (slycin56) are you ?? Or are you ??

 

[jas2587]

Cindy, you are not this Cindy (slycin56) are you ?? Or are you ??

Hell no I mean heck no I have only been a player aka member aka pain in the ass aka beotch


No Rob but something makes me think they are a member here tho

Cindy

I was an still am a member of GoneGambling when GreedyGirl worked there
I did take a vacation for a while tho but that it neither here nor there

 

[BingoT]

Ahhhhh...a walk down memory lane.
Good times. Good times.

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To The Good Old Days At WOL lol

 

[mojo]

So I'm not quite sure what your pointin bringing this up here Rob?

I wasn't around back then so some history is appriciated to get the whole picture for those of us that came later.

People change. Things change. No biggie but good to know and no matter what anyone has done in the infancy of this industry, it can be forgiven. As long as going forward we learn, grow and try to make it better.

 

[mrracetrack]

Originally Posted by RobWin
Cindy, you are not this Cindy (slycin56) are you ?? Or are you ??

Hell no I mean heck no I have only been a player aka member aka pain in the ass aka beotch


No Rob but something makes me think they are a member here tho

"Slycin" is NOT a member of the Casinomeister forum.

I believe she was banned from here by Bryan back in 2003.

As was I...

I still chat with her occasionally... she is happy and doing well.

Cindy has gone on to "better things" since she sold her GPWA site.


Greedygirl was the person responsible for me being reinstated as a member here...

Remember Deb??

 

[greedygirl]

Greedygirl was the person responsible for me being reinstated as a member here...

I'm still waiting for my cheque!

 

[The Dude]

"Slycin" is NOT a member of the Casinomeister forum.

I believe she was banned from here by Bryan back in 2003.

Actually, I never banned her. Her account is dormant, but not banned. She's always welcome here in Casinomeisterland

 

[jetset]

2003....those were torrid times for GPWA members and there were a number of very respected individuals who were seriously alarmed at the way things were going there.

As I recall it, Dom was a voice of balance and reason in the unfolding events, a position which did not appear to sit well with the leadership at that time.

This brief delve into "history" shows just how much things can change for the better (in the GPWA context) in this dynamic industry.

 

[rowmare]

Interesting Data I came across:

WHO is the CAP community?

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12,933 Dominique
11,362 Lou

NEXT in line ... go look for yourself <added by Casinomeister>

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[jas2587]

Interesting Data I came across:

WHO is the CAP community?

casinoaffiliateprograms.com/bb/memberlist.php

12,933 Dominique
11,362 Lou

NEXT in line ...
NEXT in line ... go look for yourself <added by Casinomeister>

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another thing from the same link he states he has 8000+ members in another thread when you look at the list of members it is Showing results 1 to 30 of 5412

so in fact it is members 5412 an that also counts the banned 1's so who knows how many mambers he Really has

Cindy

 

[rowmare]

Let me explain how a forum can have 8000 members in the count, while never actually having that many.

I have a couple vbulletin forums. If I don't set it to 'by invite only', using an add-on, spam bots will actually register. I used to get 20 such registrations a day at a new forum at affiliatebooty.com, so I put on the invite only - it's a great way to week spam out.

There are other ways to filter out spam, such as email verification and other tools within vbulletin, nothing which is as fool-proof as the invitation only mod. Anyway, whether or not you verify registrations, as soon as they register and before you accept them, the software counts them as members. Plain and simple.

As far as active members go, well that's another story altogether.

 

[The Dude]

Just to share some "forum" experience when it comes ot numbers. Casinomeister's forum is over ten years old. Needless to say, a majority of the older accounts are dormant - some of these members haven't logged in for years. I've also done some massive pruning last year removing a couple of thousand accounts that were no longer being used - not many forums will do this.

What is important is not the total number of accounts, but the number of active users. If you scroll down to the bottom of our forum's index page, you will see the total amount of "active" users. These are the members who have logged in at least once in the past 60 days. At the moment it's around 2100 members. About this time last year it was around 1300. +330 members are logging in daily - the guests are about 4-5 times as much.

Registration here is moderated mainly to keep the spammers and bots out. We have around 20-30 attempts daily from bots trying to get into the forum, but they are stopped cold with the software that is in place. Forums that do not moderate its registration probably have a lot of bogus or bot accounts.

I'm not saying this is the case with CAP, but if the registration is not moderated, then the total numbers can be misleading.

 

[rowmare]

Some food for thought: There are mods and hacks easily available and easily added to forum software that will inflate those numbers, including who is logged in and how many guests are reading the forums.

 

[bb1webs]

Fergie why would you drag myself and the others listed below my handle into this?

I've since left. I know that at least one other person on that list is probably going to leave and another who is on the fence.


Because we've been around a long time we deserve to be listed as cap?

There are some very good people and names that I respect on that list and none of them have had one iota of an influence on what cap policy is so why would you include us?

For the record those are number of posts. And it merely proves we've been in the industry a long time. Nothing more.

I should add that I have started my own affiliate forum as a response to my distaste for what has happened at cap.

 

[bb1webs]

One last thing then I'll let this go.

Fergie. you didn't leave cap. you were asked to leave.

for all any of us know your name would be right up there with the others you so casually posted as being cap.

 

[aka23]

another thing from the same link he states he has 8000+ members in another thread when you look at the list of members it is Showing results 1 to 30 of 5412

so in fact it is members 5412 an that also counts the banned 1's so who knows how many mambers he Really has

That probably relates to which usergroups he has set to show on the memberlist. For example, he might not show inactive members on the list or members who never clicked the validation email (often spam bots).

What is important is not the total number of accounts, but the number of active users. If you scroll down to the bottom of our forum's index page, you will see the total amount of "active" users. These are the members who have logged in at least once in the past 60 days. At the moment it's around 2100 members. About this time last year it was around 1300. +330 members are logging in daily - the guests are about 4-5 times as much.

Registration here is moderated mainly to keep the spammers and bots out. We have around 20-30 attempts daily from bots trying to get into the forum, but they are stopped cold with the software that is in place. Forums that do not moderate its registration probably have a lot of bogus or bot accounts.

I'm not saying this is the case with CAP, but if the registration is not moderated, then the total numbers can be misleading.

I agree with much of what you wrote, but even the "active" users count can be misleading, if you get a lot of spam registrations. You mentioned 20-30 spam bot registrations per day. That works out to ~2000 members that show up in the (past 60 day) active users list due to spam bots (if you don't moderate the registrations). This seems like a reasonable figure, as my forum doesn't moderate registrations and the active user total at the bottom is roughly 2000 more than I'd expect.

 

[The Dude]

...You mentioned 20-30 spam bot registrations per day. That works out to ~2000 members that show up in the (past 60 day) active users list due to spam bots (if you don't moderate the registrations). This seems like a reasonable figure, as my forum doesn't moderate registrations and the active user total at the bottom is roughly 2000 more than I'd expect.

But here the registration is moderated. The spam bots are nailed before their registration is completed, so they don't count as active members.

But the fraudsters and spammers do

 

[Webzcas]

My Casino Forum has nearly 3000 members. I have an anti bot mod installed, but I would guess 95% of all registered members are bots that got past the anti bot mod.

I will be clearing that out in the coming weeks when the new design is incorporated.

On another note my politics forum which between the two databases used has over half a million posts, has just under 3400 members. Of which 1000 are active, but my active members are set longer than 60 days. I have it set to a year. So active members can be misleading and no one forum can be the same.

Fact it is easy to manipulate the number of members being displayed by vb. You don't even need a mod to do so, just go into mysql and edit the relevant field.

Posting activity in hand with quality of the posts is how I gauge the worth of a forum. Disregard everything else.

 

[lots0]

Open Letter to former and current members of CAP.

Open Letter to former and current members of CAP.

First, let me ask your indulgence while I state a few things I believe.

(1)I do believe that most members of casinoaffilaiteprograms.com are good honest people.

(2)I do believe that the members of casinoaffilaiteprograms.com for the most part have been victims in this entire shit fest.

(3)I do believe that most CAP members have been horrified by what they have found out about the things that the management of casinoaffilaiteprograms.com has been involved in and the actions they have taken.

Ok, thats what I believe, now here is what I think.

I think bb1webs makes some very valid points. He and most of the other active members of CAP did not have any control or influence (other than their posts and personal interaction with Lou) in the business decisions of CAP.

Lets be honest here, CAP ended up as "Front" for some very shady activity in the online casino Business. What do you need to make a workable "Front" for any shady activity? You need some clueless(innocent) folks hanging around to make things look legit... Hence the majority of the 'real' membership of CAP.

There are many good people that put their trust in Lou and casinoaffilaiteprograms.com that were misled, those people have been betrayed in a very fundamental way. I think most of us here knows what it feels like to be betrayed by someone we trust...

CAP Members, remember you can make a difference... all you have to do is, vote with your feet, then don't forget to remove all the links on your site that point toward CAP.

In the future, before you sign up with another "Affiliate Advocate" type site make sure that they are in fact an Advocate for you and not just another Front.

If the "Affiliate Advocate" gets paid by the casinos to "Certify" them...
Or
If the "Affiliate Advocate" is running affiliate programs or a casino for anyone...

Use your brain, they are not an "Advocate" for you...

 

[rowmare]

I appologize, BB1, it really wasn't my intention to offend you at all! My point was the number of posts by Dom and Lou. Perhaps posting that information was bad judgement on my part. I really didn't think showing facts readily available at CAP would upset anybody.

Now, you threw me a dig which I will respond to. I will remind you how I left CAP - this goes back 4-5 years. I grew uncomfortable with the certification at CAP, feeling it was fake. Because I was a moderator there, I felt that by being a 'part' of the organization, I may be seen as supporting it. Also, as time went by, the atmosphere at CAP became more as an affiliate program shill than an affiliate advocate. I mentioned that to Lou and got the first taste of his famous temper.

And then a couple of members got banned before my eyes because they spoke up about the fake certification. That is when I got a domain name, gamblingaffiliates.org and installed vbulletin. I figured what we needed was a community that really represented affiliates. I emailed a handful of people I knew and they joined me. Within a week of opening the forum, I Messaged Lou about it, feeling I should be on the up and up and not sneaking. Well, he was unhappy, to say the least. I got demoted at CAP (no biggy). It took me about a month to realize I didn't have pm capabilities at CAP and made a post asking why. THAT is when he threw another fit, accused me of using pm's to recroute for the new forum and so on. Banned me (and my daughters and anybody else who spoke up in my defense) and EDITED MY POST to make me look guilty of things he accused me of.

This man did what he could to destroy my name and my credibility. That is unforgivable. I value my integrity and my good name. You can buy people, but you can't buy credibility with any amount of money.

Also, To me it's one thing to make money advertising and be upfront about it. It's quite another to take money for advertising, call it certification and pretend to be an advocate for affiliates.

So, Steve (BB1) no, my posts at CAP would NOT be very high at all, even if I wasn't banned. I don't get behind unethical people. If I find myself in such a position, I remove myself and speak out about unethical practices...

 

[NextToYou]

This seems like a reasonable figure, as my forum doesn't moderate registrations and the active user total at the bottom is roughly 2000 more than I'd expect.

You could easily stop bot registrations by updating to vBulletin 3.8.1 and activating "re-captha" registration (built in feature). Bots don't (yet) understand it.

 

[The Dude]

You could easily stop bot registrations by updating to vBulletin 3.8.1 and activating "re-captha" registration (built in feature). Bots don't (yet) understand it.

The bots that I'm dealing with breeze right through Capchta. It doesn't stop them at all.

Any further bot discussions should be made into a new thread in the webmaster section. To include me, thanks!

 

[rowmare]

That's what I've found. Must be advanced bots.

Bryan, seeing as people are offended by the CAP stats I posted, would you please remove or edit that post?

(Edited -> Thanks Bryan. You're a doll. )

 

[NextToYou]

The bots that I'm dealing with breeze right through Capchta.

One more comment, move posts if you want.

YES, they breeze right through regular captcha, BUT try new re-captcha. I have used it now for a few months and not a single bot registration anymore. Of course this will change in the future but currently this is the situation. This advanced re-captcha is a built-in feature in vBulletin 3.8.0 and onwards.

 

[greek39]

CAP loyalty? absolutely not, fool me once, fool me twice, and then never fool me again.

greek39

 

[mojo]

Cap loyalty.

Dominique has been replaced:

Professor out Wednesday
Gamtrak you have the helm

 

[RobWin]

Cap loyalty.

Dominique has been replaced:

Professor out Wednesday
Gamtrak you have the helm

Apparently membership does have it's benefits...huh...

 

[GamTrak]

Cap loyalty.

Dominique has been replaced:

THIS crap is how LIES get started! I've not replaced anyone and I'd appreciate if you would stop posting bogus information relating to me!

Apparently membership does have it's benefits...huh...

And what benefit would that be RobWin? What am I getting out of my membership except a target on my back from folks like you, mojo and others?

Just so you know, I'm NOT on the CAP payroll and GamTrak LLC pays for all of my financial needs just fine thank you very much!

 

[lots0]

THIS crap is how LIES get started! I've not replaced anyone and I'd appreciate if you would stop posting bogus information relating to me!

Don't you mean "RUMORS" instead of "lies"?

News for you - It does appear to the casual observer that you have have filled a vacuum at CAP. The fact that lou publicly handed over the CAP forum to you, where in the past he would have turned it over to Dom... Leads everyone to figure your the new top mod at cap.

If what everyone believes is really not the case, don't you think a simple statement would have been sufficient?

And what benefit would that be RobWin? What am I getting out of my membership except a target on my back from folks like you, mojo and others?

Just so you know, I'm NOT on the CAP payroll and GamTrak LLC pays for all of my financial needs just fine thank you very much!

What target would that be?
I guess it is hard for people to believe that you would do a job that you seem to really hate and really not be suited to, for nothing.
Most people want money(or something else of value) when they do a job they hate.

 

[dominique]

Guys, I just went and looked and I have not been removed, and my mod powers are fully intact.

I just have not been around and hence it makes sense to have someone else watch the board when Lou is not there.

Gamtrak and Bonusstreak have been mods there for some time.

Nothing has changed, other than that I am on a hiatus.

 

[Simmo!]

Cap loyalty.

Dominique has been replaced:

Let's quit the "speculation" and stick with facts and opinions please.

 

[RobWin]

Guys, I just went and looked and I have not been removed, and my mod powers are fully intact.

I just have not been around and hence it makes sense to have someone else watch the board when Lou is not there.

Gamtrak and Bonusstreak have been mods there for some time.

Nothing has changed, other than that I am on a hiatus.

Dom, you have been well respected here at Casinomeister for years now and you still are IMHO, but if I were you I would seriously take the "Hiatus" time to reflect and really try and come to grips with who you have associated and aligned yourself with for years over there at CAP (meaning Lou & Warren) and step back and take a good hard look at some of the shady dealings that they have dealt this industry over the years. Hopefully being an observer you will be able to clearly see what a hell of a lot of the rest of us have seen and observed over the years there at CAP.

 

[mojo]

Cap loyalty.

Dominique has been replaced:

Apologies. 'Replaced' was the wrong word. I was making an observation but should have been more tactful.