CAP comeback

[jetset]

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[Casinomeister]

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Casino Affiliate Programs (Casino Affiliate Programs.com), the world's largest and longest-running affiliate marketing directory for the online gambling and poker industries, has announced an exclusive partnership with blah blah blah.....

Ahhhgh!! My eyeballs are now bleeding!! What a load of hyped up crap.

 

[AussieDave]

Haha I was speaking with a well respected aff manager last week and the topic of CAP came up. I asked the candid question of how much traffic did you get from CAP? The answer was not much if any.

Although I resigned as a private member of the GPWA, the GPWA is and has always been the industry pinnacle for gambling affiliate webmasters and affiliate programs.

This press release IMHO is just hyped up baloney


Cheers

Dave

 

[Simmo!]

LOL yeah but to be fair, when did you ever see a press release for a deal that didn't put a positive on it

 

[Casinomeister]

LOL yeah but to be fair, when did you ever see a press release for a deal that didn't put a positive on it

A positive twist is one thing - hyperbole is another.

 

[jetset]

Very true, but when you've followed the shenanigans at CAP the way many of us have a PR like this kind of stands out LOL

 

[lots0]

All this shows me is that.. the bad problems at CAP did not leave with the Professor... Which many of us suspected from the gitgo.

 

[greek39]

Okay forgive me I did get my old account reinstated. I figured the bad apple was gone what the heck. I still have reservations but am finding more senior members are returning.

In the meantime I will exercise caution and hope for the best.

greek39

 

[Casinomeister]

Okay forgive me I did get my old account reinstated. I figured the bad apple was gone what the heck. I still have reservations but am finding more senior members are returning....

That's the problem with the affy's - short term memory loss. And that is exactly what CAP is banking on - that in a couple of years from the great meltdown, all is forgotten...

 

[dominique]

Pfffft - CAP is a message board and not the business entity that had the issues. Affiliate Media had these issues, They are resolved now, assets seperated out, lawsuits dropped and everything is off to a new start.

I have done my best to keep the community at CAP seperated from all the stuff the parent company did, and CAP continues to be a nice and helpful community.

That said, that press release does sound exaggerated, but then, that's what press releases tend to be.

 

[greek39]

That's the problem with the affy's - short term memory loss. And that is exactly what CAP is banking on - that in a couple of years from the great meltdown, all is forgotten...

I did ask for forgiveness and maybe it was a mistake after all. I don't travel there often and maybe less now if at all. I figured without the big L around it would not spoil the rest.

Giver a rethink...keeper quiet don't want anymore unnecessary press leaking out lol.

greek39

 

[jetset]

I don't believe you can compartmentalise CAP and Affiliate Media and the management/ownership of both as conveniently as that, Dom. These were the same individuals, and one of them is still involved.

Hopefully the unprofessional behaviour, attitude and monopolisitic inclinations that characterised the meltdown is now a thing of the past and Jolly has learned his lessons.

Nevertheless, he has a steep hill to climb in regaining industry credibility in my opinion.

 

[Casinomeister]

Pfffft - CAP is a message board and not the business entity that had the issues. Affiliate Media had these issues, They are resolved now, assets seperated out, lawsuits dropped and everything is off to a new start...

So you are saying that the CAP message board is separate from the business entity? Sorry - I don't think many people would agree with this.

Most of the melt down happened in CAP's forum anyway, so I don't see the reasoning behind your statement.

 

[dominique]

Actually, the melt down happened at PAP, another message board and one I have no presence in and never did. I may have 2 or 3 posts there from a long time ago.

The CAP community has been managed solely by me since Lou left and I am not happy with things like private messages posted by me to the community being published elsewhere and labelled as statements by Affiliate Media.

I do not speak for Affiliate Media and have no dealings with them other than asking tech support from there to do things like reinstate folks banned by previous management and whatever admin stuff. All my requests have always been implemented.

CAP has a lot of newbies as members and it is very important to the industry and to players that new affiliates learn as much about the industry as fast as possible so they don't go around promoting places that screw everyone, including themselves.

The messageboard has years of valuable, searchable resources and I decided it would be a shame to throw this out because someone in the parent company screwed up royally. If it were to be thrown out for that reason, the real damaged party would be the affiliates.

As far as CAP is concerned, there will be no foul play of any sort or I am outta there.

 

[Webzcas]

Dom you do an admirable job at CAP and always have done. FWIW it would have completely sunk if you had jumped ship in January. Warren owes you big time just for keeping it afloat IMO.

However, CAP has little to no chance in returning to it's past former glory. Even if affiliates as Bryan suggests have short term memories.

 

[dominique]

Obviously I could care less about the "glory", I just care about protecting an affiliate information resource.

For instance, if you want to know about the history of what happened with Referspot transforming into Grand Prive, it's all there. Just as an example that has a current application.

Killing CAP would be depriving us of an important source of research into history, and I am happy to volunteer some of my time to preserve it instead.

Yeah, so, my stance here hasn't exactly been popular, but I gotta do what I believe in.

 

[mojo]

I supposed it depends on how you look at it.

While some of the old info and archives are valuable, much of it is bogus. Posts were minipulated/edited. Posters were banned and humiliated. Posts deleted, changed, fabricated to suit the needs of the admins (mod staff exluded). Speaking for myself, threads at CAP are taken with a grain of salt. The last thing I saw at CAP about Grand Prive was a supposed meeting and stories about why that failed which we'll never know.

When it comes to business partners, I believe affiliates memory will be long in this case, even if for nothing more than self-preservation. The trust is the single most difficult thing to earn and once it's gone... good luck.

I'm with webz. The only thing CAP has going for it is Dom.

 

[dominique]

The banning and post changing happened mostly at PAP, CAP bannings were less frequent and generally personally motivated and the one person who did these is not there anymore. Anyone who asks me is allowed back, and all requests to come back are channelled through me.

Actually, what happened to the Grand Prive meeting is that it was scheduled in London. As we all know that conference was derailed big time with physical confrontations and the subsequent "peace meetings" interfered with the Grand Prive time schedule.

So in the world of "woulda, shoulda, coulda" it stands to reason it woulda been resolved if everyone coulda behaved themselves over there the way they shoulda. But the world of "woulda, coulda, shoulda" is an imaginary world and any speculations are pointless.

I have nothing else to say about Grand Prive at this time, but will soon.

 

[bonustreak]

I will step up here and say the whole time I was a active mod at CAP I was never asked to edit or fabricate anything ever. I know the place has issues and there are critics but to say that mods were forced into changing post and fabricate things is not right. The professor did some stupid things that we all know and needless bannings etc but I will stand up for myself on that false accusation against myself since everyone knows I was an active mod back in the day. Say whatever you want about the owners that is all on them but don't toss my rep into the pit please, all I did was support the affiliate community and offer my free time now and then to help mod.

I also will agree with Dom on the GP issues the fact is that even I myself posted warnings from back in 07 posted that things were going down hill fast for the Referspot program. When Mark left that place back in the day it went to hell! They were doing shady cross marketing stunts and cutting out affiliates. I was screaming and yelling back then but none were listening, all them threads are there and all are true with no false info so they are of relevance still.

 

[mojo]

I supposed it depends on how you look at it.

While some of the old info and archives are valuable, much of it is bogus. Posts were minipulated/edited. Posters were banned and humiliated. Posts deleted, changed, fabricated to suit the needs of the admins (mod staff exluded). Speaking for myself, threads at CAP are taken with a grain of salt. The last thing I saw at CAP about Grand Prive was a supposed meeting and stories about why that failed which we'll never know.

When it comes to business partners, I believe affiliates memory will be long in this case, even if for nothing more than self-preservation. The trust is the single most difficult thing to earn and once it's gone... good luck.

I'm with webz. The only thing CAP has going for it is Dom.

Bonustreak, please re-read my post. No one is accusing the mods of anything. I specifically said mods excluded".

but to say that mods were forced into changing post and fabricate things is not right.

but I will stand up for myself on that false accusation against myself since everyone knows I was an active mod back in the day. Say whatever you want about the owners that is all on them but don't toss my rep into the pit please, all I did was support the affiliate community and offer my free time now and then to help mod.

Please don't put words in my mouth. I never did/said such a thing about you!

 

[dominique]

There are still a lot of hurt feelings all over the place regarding this mess, mine included. A lot of people were hurt, others saw their work go down the toilet and none deserved what happened to them.

Everyone reacts differently in such situations, so let's all give each other space to vent what needs to be vented so we can all move on together, instead of fragmented.

 

[bonustreak]

My bad Mojo I read that totally wrong!! :notworthy Sorry about that..

 

[mojo]

My bad Mojo I read that totally wrong!! :notworthy Sorry about that..

No worries girl, no harm done! This topic is a touchy one. I remember someone here at CM saying it was going to have effects on us for a long time to come. Isn't that the truth. I just hope that you know I would not ever think of you that way. Or the rest of the mods at the time.

Of course you can yell at me but only if I deserve it.

Back to the regularly scheduled program..

The banning and post changing happened mostly at PAP, CAP bannings were less frequent and generally personally motivated and the one person who did these is not there anymore. Anyone who asks me is allowed back, and all requests to come back are channelled through me.

I'm glad you are in charge of that sort of thing now Dom. Especially for newbies.

Unfortunatly the bannings and editing were very relevant at CAP too. While there was indeed one individual who was the bad cop, it was general business practice at CAP. As seen from the hundreds of posts here:

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That's the problem with the affy's - short term memory loss. And that is exactly what CAP is banking on - that in a couple of years from the great meltdown, all is forgotten...

Older affs go out, new affs come in. I think that's what they're banking on. Newbies.

 

[mojo]

Dominique. I just pulled this out of the hat. I posted that my avatar was changed by CAP to a convict.

I forgot that this person sent me this.

Poop this! That's just gross! Changed this members avatar and goodness knows how many posts. Endorsed by CAP on their quest for multi-million dollar paychecks! The threads at cap are COMPROMISED.

Check it out. LOL

Mojo... yours is mild compared to mine. Here is what they changed mine to. It was the ultimate humiliation but I had to save a copy.

How does one continue to have faith in an entity that stole from affiliates and programs? Taking dollars from every single one of us? CAP needs to CLOSE. I personally will not allow newbies to think it's "OK". Every time a thread comes up, I will BE HERE.

Now you can yell at me.

 

[dominique]

I don't yell at affiliates or players. I have done plenty of yelling, both online and in person, in private and in public (anyone remember the old beer sessions in Amsterdam conferences?) at shoddy programs and casinos, but yelling at peers never made any sense to me.

I believe in choosing my battles, and I never chose this battle, and I don't consider myself part of it.

Yes, it hurts to see this thread go south, digging up the things I have worked so hard to eradicate over the past year. But, I suppose you still need to vent. Really, I do too, and I have been biting my tongue for a very long time now, but I will continue to do so.

If I started venting and publicizing my take on everything (and I got a closer look than anyone here and have quite a different take on what really happened) all hell would break lose again. And I just don't think that would be for the better for all. I could write a book on this - and maybe I will do just that in a few years.

But for now, there are other, much more important battles about current issues we face, and I have chosen to move on and concentrate on those.

All I can say to your post is that people's avatars are and remain their own choices at CAP now. I am sorry this happened to you. I was attacked in public by the same person and I understand how you feel.