BTG,NYX,Blueprint removed from Canadian players!

[Jasminebed]

I just want to say very unladylike things. If BTG is not changing RTP, then we will never see them land based in Ontario. The one cent and two cent games pay less than 85%.

BTG, thank you for all the hours of enjoyment over the past couple of years.

 

[Jasminebed]

I made a small deposit at OLG last night, had to give up because of so many errors.

Today, none of the Bally games would load, only IGT, and still had disconnects.

On the bright side, we can buy dusty dry overpriced pot now. And they cannot even fulfill those orders in a timely manner.

 

[NeverLucky]

LOL..I though you of all people would be celebrating your divorce from Bonanza...

Seriously though, it's a real pisser.

What with the UKGC, Germany and now Canada, the players have taken a real battering in 2018

This is what happens when so many games are supplied through one aggregator, as they are at many multiplatform sites. There's no demarcation so it's all or nothing. In many countries for example, Leander and other brands are delivered through the iSoftBet interface so if they go, so do all the other slots they offer under that license.

Im glad "only" Blueprint/Merkur/Novomatic is not available in Germany... for now

 

[BrianGhattas]

I made a small deposit at OLG last night, had to give up because of so many errors.

Today, none of the Bally games would load, only IGT, and still had disconnects.

On the bright side, we can buy dusty dry overpriced pot now. And they cannot even fulfill those orders in a timely manner.

I did better in a very early morning session on Raging Rhino but I had to reload the game once.

I hope the new caretakers will fix this issue with the Bally slots. I like Quick Hits Platinum but hate that half the time it doesn’t load. Why can’t these nimrods at PlayOLG fix this despite the endless “maintenance” they “do”?

 

[Steviedoo]

As mentioned in a previous thread you can play our games on BCLC playnow.com and Lotto Quebec espacejeux.com

We will be rolling out our games into OLG over the next few months and both BCLC and Lotto Quebec will have a full compliment of all our games up to Millionaire and our next release by the middle of June next year!

It's only a matter of time before the Canadian Government go the same way as Australia and start dishing out fines to operators.

Sorry but our government has not banned online gambling. The province of Quebec tried to do it under the guise “its for the health of the population,” meanwhile they have their espace jeux, but did not succeed. They didn’t get past the canadian internet police(sort of), the crtc.

The providers that are banned are banned because like you they have an exclusive contract with the government run b/m casinos in Canada. So no we are not going the way of Australia. And maybe you are in know. But I doubt it will get past the crtc.

 

[lockinlove]

Well its going to be harder and

As mentioned in a previous thread you can play our games on BCLC playnow.com and Lotto Quebec espacejeux.com

We will be rolling out our games into OLG over the next few months and both BCLC and Lotto Quebec will have a full compliment of all our games up to Millionaire and our next release by the middle of June next year!

It's only a matter of time before the Canadian Government go the same way as Australia and start dishing out fines to operators.

The Canadian government and Australian government are not the same when it comes to gambling. At all. And the only point they will start fining casinos is with a change of government which would be end of 2019. And even then its not on their agenda because I can assure you it is not on the liberals agenda. So nearest would be late 2020 if it were to happen at all.

I highly doubt BTG will be available to Ontario until deep into next year. They are tonnes of providers behind, tonnes of games..tonnes of...well...everything.

BTG has been available in Quebec for awhile. And I have seen some on playnow. Why the sudden Canadian ban?

I dont get it. Our government wasnt threatening anyone or even getting involved from what ive heard. There has been no hearings, no conversation. Nothing.

If someone has said something to you guys, its nothing but a ploy to get Canadians to OLG and thats all.

Ah well. There is lots more to life than slots.

 

[Steviedoo]

Well its going to be harder and


The Canadian government and Australian government are not the same when it comes to gambling. At all. And the only point they will start fining casinos is with a change of government which would be end of 2019. And even then its not on their agenda because I can assure you it is not on the liberals agenda. So nearest would be late 2020 if it were to happen at all.

I highly doubt BTG will be available to Ontario until deep into next year. They are tonnes of providers behind, tonnes of games..tonnes of...well...everything.

BTG has been available in Quebec for awhile. And I have seen some on playnow. Why the sudden Canadian ban?

I dont get it. Our government wasnt threatening anyone or even getting involved from what ive heard. There has been no hearings, no conversation. Nothing.

If someone has said something to you guys, its nothing but a ploy to get Canadians to OLG and thats all.

Ah well. There is lots more to life than slots.

There is no canadian ban on online slots. It’s our casinos who want to max their profits so they demand exclusivity from the providers. That’s it. Trudeau couldn’t care less about gambling. He passed his weed bill. That’s all he really cared about.


what i don't understand is why there is a blanket ban not by provider but by platform in which the games get delivered to us online.

 

[slotmaster]

I do know what other's are saying and there are positives so don't get me wrong, Finally having my best month ever and 3/4 of it gets taken away in an instant. I am planning a trip to Las Vegas and I said I wanted to get offline more so guess this is it, I know I know we had an online environment before BTG when it was only Microgaming and yes we still have that but lockinlove said, you will be broke before anything with what we have left for slots. I mean I do like play n go, some thunderkick and push gaming is a up and comer but all those are so hard to hit anything on with lots of dead spins.

If what I was looking at works to play Real Time Gaming than that is something but the problem is the cost cause of exchange rate so it's hard to come out ahead with that involved and that's why I stopped playing them. I might as well go the live casino where I get cashback, food comps, hotel comps, Their is not much incentive to play on video slots anymore I am afraid unless you want to play the providers I said above.

I was really looking forward to the new release in January from BTG.

 

[helafast]

This is just ridiculous! Merkur and Gamomat no longer available either? I don't even know what to say tbh, just very angry. There is no way OLG will be getting BTG in the "coming months", its just not happening - the site is so dreadful.

I truly hope that SG/BTG or whoever made this decision will rethink it because it makes zero no sense. Until the Canadian casinos that have agreed to do add these games are ready, there is no need to ban at this time.

What about the people from Newfoundland, Nova Scotia, New Bruswick, PEI, Manitoba, Saskatchewan, Alberta and the others up north? They will most likely never get to play again - - - Just UGH

 

[lockinlove]

There is no canadian ban on online slots. It’s our casinos who want to max their profits so they demand exclusivity from the providers. That’s it. Trudeau couldn’t care less about gambling. He passed his weed bill. That’s all he really cared about.


what i don't understand is why there is a blanket ban not by provider but by platform in which the games get delivered to us online.

I feel like some CEO's are drama queens. Its no different than apple CEO Tom Cook and his outrageous drama.

All these providers can see with their eyes. MG has not been fined, playngo, yggdrasil. Nobody ever. Yet netent have stated they are scared of the Canadian government. Now it seems BTG is saying they are scared too. LOL what? I mean honestly, if its because of a contract with the Canadian casinos just say so, its alot better than saying silly things like "beware the Canadian government is coming we can feel it!" Meanwhile gambling is about the furthest concern from the liberal government as possible...they have alot more on their plate coming into next years election.

So whatever. If they want to make things up in their minds because they are bored, well have at it I guess.

 

[helafast]

I guess we could all just play Lucky Larry's Lobstermania 2 and hope for a jackpot

 

[dionysus]

I guess we could all just play Lucky Larry's Lobstermania 2 and hope for a jackpot

well, ive had the minis a half dozen times -but the game is pretty atrocious - nary a bonus round and horrible returns

 

[BillyGoldblum]

What am I supposed to stream with now? Playngo, Microgaming, yggdrasil, RTG, endorphina and pragmatic? There is no way in hell I can afford to play that mess on a constant basis. I guess I will go back to streaming me drunk passed out on the floor. A lot cheaper and I actually feel much better being hungover than waking up realizing I lost $500 on those shitty providers

 

[helafast]

well, ive had the minis a half dozen times -but the game is pretty atrocious - nary a bonus round and horrible returns

The Lobster catching bonus is painful lol

Am I the only one here wishing this was BetSoft that pulled out of Canada??

 

[Steviedoo]

What am I supposed to stream with now? Playngo, Microgaming, yggdrasil, RTG, endorphina and pragmatic? There is no way in hell I can afford to play that mess on a constant basis. I guess I will go back to streaming me drunk passed out on the floor. A lot cheaper and I actually feel much better being hungover than waking up realizing I lost $500 on those shitty providers

i guess you're gonna have to change your name while you're at it. lol

 

[BillyGoldblum]

i guess you're gonna have to change your name while you're at it. lol

BillyRTG

Sounds like a very broke name

 

[dionysus]

I guess I'll just walk away from the thread (and quite possibly from a casino and provider)...because the discussion is moot as the decision is made, and the cold, hard facts are: money talks and players can walk.
If it were otherwise we'd have heard something along the lines of -
'Due to increaed concerns and/or regualtions within the Canadian government, we're sad to announce that over the next 2 weeks we will be removing the following providers from our games portfolio for our Canadian players....'

NOT ..BAM,...lookee-see, games go bye-bye because a member pointed it out*.

We may have seen the writing on the wall, but says it all really what little value we have


*but for a BTG announcement (but really, only because directly pressed)

 

[mina1929]

I know how you all feel

 

[Jasminebed]

Well, can’t play the Thunderkick tourney at VS. If BTG has contracts with Canadian casinos, I can see them not offering us their slots, even though it is only a couple of provinces. But why have we lost soooo many providers in one fell swoop. Are Thunderkick available for us elsewhere?

 

[dionysus]

Well, can’t play the Thunderkick tourney at VS. If BTG has contracts with Canadian casinos, I can see them not offering us their slots, even though it is only a couple of provinces. But why have we lost soooo many providers in one fell swoop. Are Thunderkick available for us elsewhere?

VS decided to allow SG/Nyx to dicate the carte blanche removal

Hi Bruinsdude,

We get those 35 Providers through SG Digital (Formerly NYX) this means all those Providers come under this Platform.

Br,
Team Videoslots.

More back on page 1

And yup, Thunderkick still allowed elsewhere so guess I'll go back to my old stomping grounds.

 

[Steviedoo]

Well, can’t play the Thunderkick tourney at VS. If BTG has contracts with Canadian casinos, I can see them not offering us their slots, even though it is only a couple of provinces. But why have we lost soooo many providers in one fell swoop. Are Thunderkick available for us elsewhere?

blanket ban by the platform not by provider...so SG offers BTG, Merkur and elk games etc...so because of BTG who has contract with some of our casinos...its platform provider SG has banned all games for us.

 

[Steviedoo]

VS decided to allow SG/Nyx to dicate the carte blanche removal
More back on page 1

And yup, Thunderkick still allowed elsewhere so guess I'll go back to my old stomping grounds.

slotsmillion also not allowing...

 

[lockinlove]

I tried thunderkick in about 4 diff casinos today and they all blocked on me

 

[dionysus]

btw I'm in the Thunderkick battle - its working

 

[dionysus]

slotsmillion also not allowing...

they arent/werent my stomping grounds, so all good there

 

[Sonict]

It is crazy how big of a monopoly that SG has become. We wouldn't have lost so many providers if they weren't all using the same platform. This will effect my Videoslots sessions and time spent on VS since we lost quite a bit. As for the other sites, most will be played less now, but I mainly play on Rizk, Dunder, Casumo, Bitstarz, Energy Casino, and 32Red and most of those providers already had BTG and all blocked so for me it doesn't matter much, but I did have SlotsMillion and Casino Casino for providers like Merkur, Gamomat, BTG, ELK, Thunderkick, and others. What a way to end the year for us as a Canadian. I preferred it when we only lost Netent and most NYX back in 2016. This really hurts. :/

 

[dionysus]

seeing as I opted to not give VS my deposit tonight and went to the OLG site...well.....*slow clap*....fantastic choice SG....every game crashed mid spins (you know...broken...as per the norm)

I can see youre gonna do realllllll swell making the move there BTG

 

[Harry_BKK]

You are all getting something wrong.

This is not a BTG or Thunderkick initiated ban.

The ban comes from Scientific Games who are huge in B&M in North America. They do have an agreement not to offer the games online, so when they took over NYX Interactive last year it was just a question of time before this ban came into effect for NYX hosted providers.

Among the NYX Interactive hosted providers are: 1x2 Gaming, Ainsworth, BetDigital, Big Time Gaming, Blueprint Gaming, Casino Technology, Chance Interactive, Core Gaming, Elk Studios, Foxium, Incredible Technologies, Inspired Gaming, Iron Dog Studios, Game360, Gamevy, Games Lab, Leander Games, Lightning Box, Live 5 Gaming, NextGen Gaming, Realistic Games, Side City Studios, Thunderkick.

Some of the above have their games hosted on other platforms too. E.g. 1x2 Gaming and Leander Games have also their own aggregator platform. Based on the contract the providers have with NYX/SG Digital, they might be able to still provide the games on these other platforms, however, many have exclusive distribution deals.

But if a casino is having its games supplied by NYX (now SG Digital) then they will not be able to offer them in SG restricted countries. Nothing game providers or casinos can do.

 

[dionysus]

You are all getting something wrong.

This is not a BTG or Thunderkick initiated ban.

The ban comes from Scientific Games who are huge in B&M in North America. They do have an agreement not to offer the games online, so when they took over NYX Interactive last year it was just a question of time before this ban came into effect for NYX hosted providers.

Among the NYX Interactive hosted providers are: 1x2 Gaming, Ainsworth, BetDigital, Big Time Gaming, Blueprint Gaming, Casino Technology, Chance Interactive, Core Gaming, Elk Studios, Foxium, Incredible Technologies, Inspired Gaming, Iron Dog Studios, Game360, Gamevy, Games Lab, Leander Games, Lightning Box, Live 5 Gaming, NextGen Gaming, Realistic Games, Side City Studios, Thunderkick.

Some of the above have their games hosted on other platforms too. E.g. 1x2 Gaming and Leander Games have also their own aggregator platform. Based on the contract the providers have with NYX/SG Digital, they might be able to still provide the games on these other platforms, however, many have exclusive distribution deals.

But if a casino is having its games supplied by NYX (now SG Digital) then they will not be able to offer them in SG restricted countries. Nothing game providers or casinos can do.

er, noone got that wrong - we're well aware it's the provider; VS said as much back on page 1

Hi Bruinsdude,

We get those 35 Providers through SG Digital (Formerly NYX) this means all those Providers come under this Platform.

Br,
Team Videoslots.

we've even quoted and said as much since

VS decided to allow SG/Nyx to dicate the carte blanche removal

blanket ban by the platform not by provider...so SG offers BTG, Merkur and elk games etc...so because of BTG who has contract with some of our casinos...its platform provider SG has banned all games for us.

 

[TheAverageGuy]

Sounds like it's time for a new aggregator.. GiG does everything else under the sun.. one has to wonder why they haven't already scooped up another slice of the industry pie... or Wait.. I hear Pragmatic is making big strides into new territory and partnerships as of late...

Making an exclusive deal with brick and morter that you'll shoot yourself in the foot and ignore entire segments of your bread and butter market? I'm not the greatest at math, but it seems to me that when you're rocking a ray crock, 10% of every cheeseburger sold type of business, one should be focused on expansion and diversification....

Isn't that kind of like agreeing not to list products on Ebay and Amazon to get your product featured at Radioshack, K-Mart & The Bay?

 

[Balthazar]

Let's not forget that just last year the Quebec government tried to pass a law that would force ISP's to block any online gaming site that isn't government owned, China-style.

Fortunately federal court told them to fuck off because they couldn't do that but it's still showing exactly what they want to do. They think that they lose money because people play elsewhere while they (in their mind) should have the monopoly. The reason why people play elsewhere is because elsewhere is better. So like any good government entity, instead of working on getting better to get everyone on board, they are trying to kill all the competition.

 

[trancemonkey]

The problem is the low RTP, low max win and "requirement" not to have too many low wins. This means it will likely not play anything like it's online counterpart

 

[Jd666]

Jeez, looks even worse than the arcade version of Monte

 

[dionysus]

The problem is the low RTP, low max win and "requirement" not to have too many low wins. This means it will likely not play anything like it's online counterpart

So do you suspect BTG will not follow through on their word?
Re: Our RTP's are the same on BCLC and Lotto Quebec as they are in all our other jurisdictions, our games only have one RTP across the board. I find it odd that providers offer mixed RTP's as it's just not a player friendly practice. At the moment we are looking to place some of our content in Canadian land based casinos and the RTP will be the same as online too.

Or will it be a 'tinkering' to produce same rtp, but allocate it in a different manner?

 

[dave1888]

I guess we could all just play Lucky Larry's Lobstermania 2 and hope for a jackpot

Just hammer Legend of Loki and hope for a similar clone Sorry just trying to lighten the mood

 

[dave1888]

Just hammer Legend of Loki and hope for a similar clone Sorry just trying to lighten the mood

I recommended it to Helafast when he was streaming and he won 500x on it straight away, it's kind of an in joke in case you wondered @dionysus

 

[dionysus]

I recommended it to Helafast when he was streaming and he won 500x on it straight away, it's kind of an in joke in case you wondered @dionysus

i played lobster not an hr ago
you know the typical no pay, hard to get 5 FS bonus

got the 5fs
retrigger 5fs
retriigger 10fs
retriigger 10fs
retrigger 15 fs
retrigger 5 fs


for a WHOPPING 75X

simply cant compete with online (non govt) casinos

 

[dave1888]

i played lobster not an hr ago
you know the typical no pay, hard to get 5 FS bonus

got the 5fs
retrigger 5fs
retriigger 10fs
retriigger 10fs
retrigger 15 fs
retrigger 5 fs


for a WHOPPING 75X

simply cant compete with online (non govt) casinos

Oh no there's been a mistake. I meant he won 500x on Legend of Loki by Isoftbet not Lobstermania and imho the only good thing about those Lobster slots, is the Rock Lobster tune other than that they are bloody awful!

 

[Harry_BKK]

er, noone got that wrong - we're well aware it's the provider; VS said as much back on page 1


we've even quoted and said as much since

Sorry, I related my answer to the last posts which were mostly about BTG.

 

[dionysus]

Sorry, I related my answer to the last posts which were mostly about BTG.

fair nuff
deffo a bounce round and back again thread

 

[trancemonkey]

So do you suspect BTG will not follow through on their word?
Re: Our RTP's are the same on BCLC and Lotto Quebec as they are in all our other jurisdictions, our games only have one RTP across the board. I find it odd that providers offer mixed RTP's as it's just not a player friendly practice. At the moment we are looking to place some of our content in Canadian land based casinos and the RTP will be the same as online too.

Or will it be a 'tinkering' to produce same rtp, but allocate it in a different manner?

The games have been very successful online, so they might have some bargaining power, but i would be amazed if they got a 96%+ game in to a B&M casino outside of some parts of Europe.

 

[Steviedoo]

Espace jeux rtp online for bonanza.
From the notes

 

[Balthazar]

I must admit that Bonanza on espacejeux is flawless, it's running much better than on any other online casino I've played. There's also no short delay for the last cascade when there's no upcoming win, which is a big plus.

However there's no autoplay in any espacejeux game, which sucks.

 

[shaltar]

I must admit that Bonanza on espacejeux is flawless, it's running much better than on any other online casino I've played. There's also no short delay for the last cascade when there's no upcoming win, which is a big plus.

However there's no autoplay in any espacejeux game, which sucks.

Well they implemented some Autoplay now with the Nextgen Game.... We can have a whooping 50 autoplay... . unless it's a mistake on their part.. And I agree with you playing bonanza on Espace jeux is really great. I still miss that autoplay too though....

 

[lockinlove]

No autoplay on bonanza LOLWUT

 

[shaltar]

It may sound painfull but you get used to it at some point haha

 

[slotmaster]

I still hate my life. Heck think trance and BTG hate me as they won't answer my questions.. Still makes no sense as to do it now, Just wait till we can play the games in Canada if they are coming to ban online. Lockinlove and Stevie covered it to the tee, It's the deal they made and not government regulation and I already talked with BTG and told them it's going to fail as it's no 96 percent here and people don't have the patience for ultra high variance and as soon as someone hits something big the casino's will pull the slot or slots.

 

[Reelsoffun]

Megaways almost certainly will... But at the RTP settings in the UK retail industry it might struggle. And it's only a 500 jackpot.

Surely there isnt any reason why it couldnt be capped at 10k for UK casinos, that would be the better option with a max stake of say £1 it would be massively popular when B&M players that have never even seen the game see what it can be capable of even at those stakes Shame they would cripple it down to about 90% though as UK casinos wouldnt tolerate 96% even though the lower % is making people play them less in the first place LOL

 

[BrianGhattas]

Even with all the slots removed, I'd rather play at Video Slots than PlayOLG any day. They still have some nice slots from Push Gaming, they brought back PlayTech and they pay my winnings in less than 48 hours; even less than 24. Doug's casino takes forever to pay out and that won't change any time soon.

I live in Ottawa. I certainly wish I could move across the river to Gatineau to play Espace Jeux but I have a feeling that the difference between POLG and EJ is that the former is like being stung by a wasp while the latter is like being stung by a mosquito. One just sucks a little less than the other.

 

[me_and_ed]

Its funny, I am in Cabo right now, log in and can still play the games, even though its already been said but defo Geo blocked, I have one more week of anger free playing