Brexit - whats the difference.....

[goatwack]

I thought Brown did pretty well during his term, and largely underappreciated. Not perfect by any stretch, but what I personally consider the last credible Labour leader. After his resignation I saw Labour flounder somewhat, from which they've not quite recovered as of yet.

Brown was given short shrift for his underwhelming public speaking, and we've moved away from boring politicians doing their job to whatever 'this' is, on all sides. I know Ed Miliband got vilified but honestly, I'd rather have seen him at the helm than the 'class of 2022'!

 

[pinnit2014]

Starmer is probably being closely advised by Blair on how to handle things, he knows all about putting on a mask in order to win votes, playing the old left and disaffected tories.

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Look at that baby face though?

So innocent, yet so full of evil intent for things to come.

 

[Mr_Slot5]

Look at that baby face though?

So innocent, yet so full of evil intent for things to come.

A valuable lesson about how easy it is to be duped by charisma and charm.

 

[pinnit2014]

I thought Brown did pretty well during his term, and largely underappreciated. Not perfect by any stretch, but what I personally consider the last credible Labour leader. After his resignation I saw Labour flounder somewhat, from which they've not quite recovered as of yet.

Brown was given short shrift for his underwhelming public speaking, and we've moved away from boring politicians doing their job to whatever 'this' is, on all sides. I know Ed Miliband got vilified but honestly, I'd rather have seen him at the helm than the 'class of 2022'!

Yeah, his part there was underwhelming in the sense that i thought here we go: someone who gets economic growth and can be a sensible voice in the whacky races that can sometimes be the Labour Party. He certainly seemed more open to listening to those other than the radical Unionised element of the party. Had a certain ring about John Smith about him when he started.

 

[Mr_Slot5]

I thought Brown did pretty well during his term, and largely underappreciated. Not perfect by any stretch, but what I personally consider the last credible Labour leader. After his resignation I saw Labour flounder somewhat, from which they've not quite recovered as of yet.

Brown was given short shrift for his underwhelming public speaking, and we've moved away from boring politicians doing their job to whatever 'this' is, on all sides. I know Ed Miliband got vilified but honestly, I'd rather have seen him at the helm than the 'class of 2022'!

There’s a video on YT of Brown being torn to shreds by Farage over his selling off of the gold reserves on the cheap. All Brown could do is sit there smirking.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

So yes, Britain's no better off for it, and many politicians involved in its process long-gone. David 'Blub' Cameron, gone. Theresa 'Robot' May, gone. Boris 'DUDE' Johnson, soon to go, couldn't give a flying fig. And as for Sir 'Beer' Starmer and Angela 'Chav' Rayner, well, I wouldn't bank on them sorting Britain's problems out either, nor any current Labour troupe, as the party's in a worse state than the Tories (hard to believe)

'Chav' Rayner eh?

Here's Johnson's new (and I swear I'm not making this up)...... Education Secretary.

 

[mack341]

 

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In the meantime that is the Utopia that is Europe where corruption and behind the scenes favouratism is unheard of:

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[ChopleyIOM]

In the meantime that is the Utopia that is Europe where corruption and behind the scenes favouratism is unheard of:

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'Utopia'

 

[interlog]

'Utopia'

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Just bringing in a a little bit of a balance to this debate, that's all. But you're right, I shouldn't have written Utopia, but perhaps UTOPIA

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Just bringing in a a little bit of a balance to this debate, that's all. But you're right, I shouldn't have written Utopia, but perhaps UTOPIA

Literally three years ago in this very thread I was essentially describing the EU as 'not great, but on balance we're better off in than out, and from a position where we have the influence to change things we don't like, rather than sitting outside the tent trying to piss in'.

It's possible to be pro-EU membership without cracking into a magnificent stiffy about how great the EU is, because I don't think the EU is that great, I never have, I think it's an imperfect solution to a terrible problem (constant war in Europe and endless disputes) that we'd have been better served by remaining a key player inside the union, rather than the whingeing toddler we've been reduced to outside the union.

 

[mack341]

I remember those posts Chop, but they do kind of clash with calling Brexit the biggest pile of s**t, when it has literally had no time to bed in, and officially began 3 months before a world wide covid pandemic [with unheard of economic shutdown] and now war and mass inflation, you can hardly claim it's had a good chance to work and the govt's undivided time and attention to sort out issues.

It's possible to be pro-EU membership without cracking into a magnificent stiffy about how great the EU is, because I don't think the EU is that great, I never have

The thing is as the EU goes along it is getting worse, more dictatorial, like a runaway train with no democratic mandate controlling it.

It is a lobbyist's dream where decision makers are not answerable in any kind of meaningful way to the public. Big firms like lots and lots of regulations, it acts as a barrier of entry to smaller firms for the market they are in, they cannot afford the compliance costs.

 

[Mr_Slot5]

I remember those posts Chop, but they do kind of clash with calling Brexit the biggest pile of s**t, when it has literally had no time to bed in, and officially began 3 months before a world wide covid pandemic [with unheard of economic shutdown] and now war and mass inflation, you can hardly claim it's had a good chance to work and the govt's undivided time and attention to sort out issues.

It's possible to be pro-EU membership without cracking into a magnificent stiffy about how great the EU is, because I don't think the EU is that great, I never have

The thing is as the EU goes along it is getting worse, more dictatorial, like a runaway train with no democratic mandate controlling it.

It is a lobbyist's dream where decision makers are not answerable in any kind of meaningful way to the public. Big firms like lots and lots of regulations, it acts as a barrier of entry to smaller firms for the market they are in, they cannot afford the compliance costs.

As I remember, a lot of the remainers said that it needed reform from within and we could influence that.

My question is, how?

Much easier to get our own house in order without dependency on the whims of an oversized 'club'

 

[Webzcas]

People harping on about rejoining the EU are the same as the Nationalists north of Carlisle who keep on banging the drum for another independence referendum.

Sorry but referendums are not General Elections. They are, as asserted by Alex Salmond himself back in 2013/14, a once in a generation event.

I get it, people don't like we have left the EU, likewise the supporters of Scottish Independence don't like still being part of the UK. But that I am afraid is democracy.

We have to all collectively work with the hand we have been dealt and make it the best possible outcome it can be.

In around 20 - 30 years, then by all means have another referendum.

 

[pinnit2014]

People harping on about rejoining the EU are the same as the Nationalists north of Carlisle who keep on banging the drum for another independence referendum.

Sorry but referendums are not General Elections. They are, as asserted by Alex Salmond himself back in 2013/14, a once in a generation event.

I get it, people don't like we have left the EU, likewise the supporters of Scottish Independence don't like still being part of the UK. But that I am afraid is democracy.

We have to all collectively work with the hand we have been dealt and make it the best possible outcome it can be.

In around 20 - 30 years, then by all means have another referendum.

Well, not all the time....

Lisbon Treaty and Ireland?

 

[Webzcas]

Oh yes, when the EU put pressure on Ireland to rerun the vote. Sound similar? LOL

 

[pinnit2014]

Did they not come out with: We'll just keep putting it to you until you say yes? (

In Holyrood in Scotland, whilst she wouldn't admit it, that's what Nicky S is saying to her cronies

 

[Webzcas]

SNP are a one policy party who are unable to even launch a ferry let alone administer properly the departments devolved to the Scottish Parliament.

Notice they are not saying much about Pincher, would it be because Blackford rallied the SNP troops ( MPs ) to support Grady??? hmmmm

Sorry, but the SNP IMO are a hate filled party, who only care about sowing discord and division. They hate anything south of Gretna and do not care about how Scotland would operate as an independent country, as long as Scotland is no longer in a union with those damn Sassenachs, that is all that matters.

However, now that Special Agent Johnson has been usurped, Sturgeon's PretendyRef plans have been all but holed below the waterline.

 

[dunover]

SNP are a one policy party who are unable to even launch a ferry let alone administer properly the departments devolved to the Scottish Parliament.

Notice they are not saying much about Pincher, would it be because Blackford rallied the SNP troops ( MPs ) to support Grady??? hmmmm

Sorry, but the SNP IMO are a hate filled party, who only care about sowing discord and division. They hate anything south of Gretna and do not care about how Scotland would operate as an independent country, as long as Scotland is no longer in a union with those damn Sassenachs, that is all that matters.

However, now that Special Agent Johnson has been usurped, Sturgeon's PretendyRef plans have been all but holed below the waterline.

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Shame we didn't express such childish sentiments when thousands of Scots came down to populate towns like Corby when the giant steelworks was open etc.

Far more important than these two clowns is the fact that on every continent there are cemeteries where Smith, Jones, MacDonald and Murphy lie side by side in a period of 300 years or more, having built the most successful and inventive country in the history of mankind between them and in three or more instances sacrificed themselves in their thousands for the freedom of the rest of the world by the UK refusing to kow-tow to dictators from Napoleon to Hitler. Without which you wouldn't have a precious EU, or UN.

So stroppy Sturgeon and her power-mad cronies may get her erected outside Holyrood in the form of a modern day bronze Bodicea eventually, paid for in Euros but they won't change history....

 

[dpp00]

Did they not come out with: We'll just keep putting it to you until you say yes? (

In Holyrood in Scotland, whilst she wouldn't admit it, that's what Nicky S is saying to her cronies

yes indeed i was here for that vote i remember well the minister live on radio saying well just keep havin it till we get the right answer,

of course also well to remember oxfam put us in the top 15 most corrupt country's in the world obviously well out of date

cause were easily in the top 6

 

[dunover]

'Chav' Rayner eh?

Here's Johnson's new (and I swear I'm not making this up)...... Education Secretary.

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Yes, a finger, but at least she didn't whip up her dress and give a quick flash of her clout. Slightly classier than LieBore.

I'm waiting for one of the candidates to pull a moonie next time....

 

[Spikie]

The Euro is getting hammered at the moment, the exchange rate is today at parity with the USD , last time this happened was in 2002.

 

[sufferinsilence]

So, what's the consensus on Brexiting "Mo Farah"?

 

[goatwack]

Hussain was going to get Hussexited, but the cops decided it happened way too long ago to care, so we'll be keeping the Mo-bot and knighthood

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Brexit described as a 'nightmare' by, erm, Grant Shapps.

Admitting it's been a nightmare means either:

1. It need not have been and Brexit has been bungled, or

2. We were lied to, and they knew it was going to be a nightmare.