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Brexit - whats the difference.....
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Several trade organisations in the food production space now directly calling out Brexit as the reason behind current shortages, and predicting worse as we go into autumn and winter, and specifically Christmas.
Currently 1 in 6 jobs unfilled.
And yes you absolutely can argue that cheap EU labour was being used to undercut UK workers, and wages are now going to have to rise to compensate, (although this feeds into higher prices and inflation of course, which I'm sure is what all Leavers were voting for), although even then it remains to be seen if UK workers will even take the jobs.
Either way, Brexit to blame for this current situation, and the trade organisations and calling it for what it is.
The British Poultry Council (BPC) said its members, which include 2 Sisters
The council’s chief executive, Richard Griffiths, said the group had written to the home secretary, Priti Patel, this month asking for the government to
Currently 1 in 6 jobs unfilled.
And yes you absolutely can argue that cheap EU labour was being used to undercut UK workers, and wages are now going to have to rise to compensate, (although this feeds into higher prices and inflation of course, which I'm sure is what all Leavers were voting for), although even then it remains to be seen if UK workers will even take the jobs.
Either way, Brexit to blame for this current situation, and the trade organisations and calling it for what it is.
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Group – the country’s largest supplier of supermarket chicken and KellyBronze Turkeys, had told them that one in six jobs were unfilled as a result of EU workers leaving the UK after Brexit.The council’s chief executive, Richard Griffiths, said the group had written to the home secretary, Priti Patel, this month asking for the government to
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but had not yet received a response.
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Well, time for me to get the pigs-in-blankets in early...
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Time to finally gear up eh?
There was talk about the Military moving due to shortages a while back, i assume your unit is more specialized.
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Everything will be alright on the night, if not we could do with a spot of rationing, too many gigantic lard asses wandering my local area, 'brexit to the nation's rescue once more, solving the obesity epidemic' 
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British tourists at Schiphol airport learning that ending freedom of movement also applies to them.
As economies start to open up again post-Covid, this will be far more of a thing going forward.
For the EU.
For the Brits and everyone else.
As economies start to open up again post-Covid, this will be far more of a thing going forward.
For the EU.
For the Brits and everyone else.
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Yip, thats what happens when you go abroad, I am sure 99.9% people in the UK realised this would happen when the UK left the EU. So whats your point? If you went to the US would you expect to walk straight through?
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There is no point. He just had to get a moan in at the end of the week, so that he could achieve his weekly quota for the.....uhm....
125th(?) week running.
PS I bet when you created this thread 874 days ago that you never knew the size of the monster you were creating....
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Yes, a simple question doesnt need to take up so many pages....
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The point is that it's all part of the 'slow puncture' of Brexit, where a myriad of things get worse as a result of Brexit and nothing gets better. None of them taken individually are a death blow, but add them all together and you're left with an overarching sense of, 'Really, what was the bloody point?'
You've got the Davis Downside Dossier -
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The Digby Jones index which tracks all the UK jobs that have been lost that Digby Jones said wouldn't be lost -
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And 817 fact-checked reports of things Brexit has made worse -
To name just some resources.
The fact that the 'counter arguments' (such as they aren't), to problems like genuine supply chain shortages, is stuff like 'Well that food's crap anyway why would anyone want to eat it' says it all really.
Brexit is the ultimate busted flush.
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The point was democracy, once the vote had been tallied the will of the majority who voted was to leave the EU. You think that it was wrong to act on this vote and ignore democracy?
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No I don't think the referendum result should have been ignored, whatever arguments there might be around the campaigns (and neither Leave or Remain can claim any sort of unimpeachable moral high ground when it comes to the claims that were made to support their case), the fact is that Leave won and as such it was right that that Article 16 be triggered and the UK would in due course leave the EU.
However, there were many different ways it could have been done, and I would argue that the path chosen by May, and then seen to conclusion by Johnson, short of leaving with no deal at all, is the most destructive, and the worst, of all the options that were available.
I accept that Brexit had to happen following the result of the referendum, but there were far smarter ways to do it than what we ended up with.
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LOL That's fine, I'm sure the people in the queue will have plenty time to spend on their phones to pass the time - oh no hang on, who needs to take their phone on holiday anyway eh? Those pesky roaming charges. ?
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WTF??? Scottish football is awful anyway, about English Championship/League One standard. Even before Brexit, they didn't have the money for many foreign players bar the bargain basement ones. The days of C*lt*c signing Larsson and Rangers Gascoigne, Stevens etc. are long gone in case you don't know. I think it's a good thing, and will be for England too. Primarily focus on home-grown players rather than the wealthy clubs go shopping for whomever they like. Sure, it'll reduce the amount of European trophies won by UK clubs (yes, we still play against euro teams as we did forever before the EEC!) but wouldn't it be nice to go back to the days when the 11 players on the field all spoke English as a first language and went for a piss-up in the pub after games. When C*lt*c became the first club from Britain to win the European Cup in 1967 (sorry to remind people) it was reputed all the players were born within a few miles of their ground. No problem here if we go back to that kind of scenario again.
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Had to laugh reading Chopleys latest reasons for how bad Brexit is.
Queues at Airports. Sure we can live with that.
But come on Chopley. Now Brexit is going to affect Scottish football and the quality of players we can sign. We are going to struggle to compete.
Really not sure if you are taking the piss sometimes with the Brexit posts or if you really just spend so much time researching articles online from certain sources and have actually lost touch with reality.
Scottish Football ceased to be truly competitive a long time ago. Yes Rangers and to a degree the other team have had a few OK results in the Europa League last couple of years. But they are little fish in a big pond. The way Sponsorship and money was thrown at the English league and the little money for Scottish Football meant Scottish teams could never compete for or afford the top players.
For years now players have left Scottish premier league teams for lower level league teams in England as the English teams could pay them a lot more. This has been the story for decades.
Brexit is not changing anything. Scottish football was and still is an inferior product. The teams will still get players they can afford from Europe and the rest of the world. Brexit will make no difference at all to who the teams can sign. It all comes down to the fact that in Scotland we have two of the biggest and well known teams in the world with some of the biggest support worldwide. But we are stuck in a crap league so finances dictate we can never be competitive. Move us to English football then it would be different. Brexit will in no way make us poorer teams than we already are lol.
But really again i see your tweet was from the nytimes. Saw many articles from them before about football etc. and they were pretty clueless. But if you want to use a tweet from America about British football to try make a point go ahead lol.
It has got to the stage unlike others i look forward to seeing a Brexit post getting made.
I sit and try and think oh wonder what doom and source Chopley will try and use today.
Actually been unusually hot in Scotland this summer and colder in Europe. Wonder if in some way Brexit is not letting colder air into UK. Sure you can find a report on it somewhere.
Queues at Airports. Sure we can live with that.
But come on Chopley. Now Brexit is going to affect Scottish football and the quality of players we can sign. We are going to struggle to compete.
Really not sure if you are taking the piss sometimes with the Brexit posts or if you really just spend so much time researching articles online from certain sources and have actually lost touch with reality.
Scottish Football ceased to be truly competitive a long time ago. Yes Rangers and to a degree the other team have had a few OK results in the Europa League last couple of years. But they are little fish in a big pond. The way Sponsorship and money was thrown at the English league and the little money for Scottish Football meant Scottish teams could never compete for or afford the top players.
For years now players have left Scottish premier league teams for lower level league teams in England as the English teams could pay them a lot more. This has been the story for decades.
Brexit is not changing anything. Scottish football was and still is an inferior product. The teams will still get players they can afford from Europe and the rest of the world. Brexit will make no difference at all to who the teams can sign. It all comes down to the fact that in Scotland we have two of the biggest and well known teams in the world with some of the biggest support worldwide. But we are stuck in a crap league so finances dictate we can never be competitive. Move us to English football then it would be different. Brexit will in no way make us poorer teams than we already are lol.
But really again i see your tweet was from the nytimes. Saw many articles from them before about football etc. and they were pretty clueless. But if you want to use a tweet from America about British football to try make a point go ahead lol.
It has got to the stage unlike others i look forward to seeing a Brexit post getting made.
I sit and try and think oh wonder what doom and source Chopley will try and use today.
Actually been unusually hot in Scotland this summer and colder in Europe. Wonder if in some way Brexit is not letting colder air into UK. Sure you can find a report on it somewhere.
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It's true - Scotland has had an 'English Summer' this year, it's been dire here and on many a day the warmest sunniest spots have been north of the border. Apparently it will be the same this week when it's rumoured that after 22 consecutive cloudy days from 22 this August, the sun is finally going to appear this week. It's the EU's reward for Scotland's referendum Brexit vote. If Scotland goes independent, I wonder what will happen to poor old Berwick Rangers, who like Welsh teams such as Cardiff, Newport, Swansea and Wrexham play in a 'foreign' league, in this case an English club playing in Scotland?
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The tweet about football is Post 817 in a long-running thread, it just happened it's the most recent so embeds into my post.
That aside, the line I've quoted above says it all really, 'We can live with that' - which has come to encapsulate everything wrong with Brexit, and expose its biggest lie.
Brexit was marketed as a national rejuvenation, not something to be survived.
So everything just has to be hand-waved away with straw man arguments and deflection, 'Oh well who eats at Nandos anyway', 'Queues at airports we can put up with that', 'Who takes mobiles on holiday with them lol losers', 'Scottish football is crap' etc.
It's impossible to pretend that Brexit hasn't made a load of stuff worse now, because it obviously and demonstrably has, so instead we just have 'Well I didn't care about that anyway' or 'I'm sure we can put up with that'.
That's what Brexit has been reduced to, a load of negatives that hurt the UK in a multitude of different ways, and the only defence of it that remains is draping oneself in a Union Jack and shouting 'BUT DEMOCRACY INNIT'.
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If you want i can come over and play (undercover of course due to the new rules)
Swedes have a long history of helping Scottish teams.
You can pay me in haggis.
Swedes have a long history of helping Scottish teams.
You can pay me in haggis.
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That was just about the worst imaginable post you could make to back up your point.
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The Mail On Sunday belatedly discovers the difference between a Free Trade Agreement and a single market for exporters. Largely blames the EU.
If only someone had pointed this stuff out ahead of time. Oh yes, I remember, Project Fear.
Still, who wants to trade with the EU anyway, it's rubbish. LOL LOSERS.
An alarming one in five small exporters have stopped selling into the EU because of the extra red tape and costs involved, according to the Federation of Small Businesses. A further one in five are thinking about ending sales to the EU, the trade body said.
Writing in the MoS today, Shevaun Haviland, director general of the British Chambers of Commerce, warns of a 'gathering storm in our export sector that threatens to derail the recovery and our long-term ambitions for a truly global Britain'.
She says exporters are being 'consumed in an avalanche of red tape and blockaded by disruption' and warns they face 'problems which they simply cannot solve'.
A record 28 per cent of UK exporters reported falling sales between April and June in the most recent British Chambers of Commerce survey.
If only someone had pointed this stuff out ahead of time. Oh yes, I remember, Project Fear.
Still, who wants to trade with the EU anyway, it's rubbish. LOL LOSERS.
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An alarming one in five small exporters have stopped selling into the EU because of the extra red tape and costs involved, according to the Federation of Small Businesses. A further one in five are thinking about ending sales to the EU, the trade body said.
Writing in the MoS today, Shevaun Haviland, director general of the British Chambers of Commerce, warns of a 'gathering storm in our export sector that threatens to derail the recovery and our long-term ambitions for a truly global Britain'.
She says exporters are being 'consumed in an avalanche of red tape and blockaded by disruption' and warns they face 'problems which they simply cannot solve'.
A record 28 per cent of UK exporters reported falling sales between April and June in the most recent British Chambers of Commerce survey.
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Ill be honest with you, i dont have alot of knowledge about Scottish football.
Just know Henrik was playing there.
Did they lose that game?
Would this have been better?
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Oh, my bad.
You probably wanted Rangers to win.
Sorry, any rangers that does not have 'Power' in front of their name are just pretenders to the throne as far as im concerned.
You probably wanted Rangers to win.
Sorry, any rangers that does not have 'Power' in front of their name are just pretenders to the throne as far as im concerned.
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Whence does this red tape come?
You like cars Chop, they're mandating all new cars from 2022 have to have a built in speed limit regulator, they're meddlesome like busybodies on a powertrip, able to circumvent democracy.
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The red tape is a direct result of the UK choosing to remove itself from one of the biggest free trade blocs in the world and make itself a third country, and additionally making the choice to leave both the Single Market and the Customs Union.
We did it to ourselves.
As for the speed limiter it will be possible to turn it off (same as you can turn off engine start/stop systems), although as a general principle I don't object to them, as much as I'm a petrolhead, the correct place to go really fast in cars is on the track. I mean, it's hard to argue the case that not being able to break the law by speeding is some sort of unacceptable limitation on one's personal freedom..
Also, the UK is following the EU on this anyway because manufacturers won't want to homologate cars specifically for the UK market, so as with so much in a post-Brexit world, we end up doing what the EU does anyway, but we don't have input into the creation of the rules, which we had when we were an EU member.
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That was not the question re red tape, just because the eu-ssr have ruled some practice doesn't make it automatically right/sensible.
Sometimes you have to go over the speed limit in order to avoid something, perform a takeover etc...I'd hoped you wouldn't think i'd be against it just so that morons were free to keep routinely speeding.
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Are you allowed to go over the limit for a takeover?
I dont think thats allowed here (technically atleast, everyone performing a takeover will be over the limit)
Are you allowed to go over the limit for a takeover?
I dont think thats allowed here (technically atleast, everyone performing a takeover will be over the limit)
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Apparently it will have an override facility whereby you deeply push the accelerator down, so they obviously understand the need sometimes.
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I think if just going by the law here, its only ok to go over the limit in emergencies.
And not like 'i had to get home before the pizza got cold' kind of emergencies. (they dont respect pizza enough here imo)
But its nothing thats enforced, because everyone passing someone will brifely be over the limit.
I guess you could get unlucky and be caught by a speedtrap/camera while passing someone, and i dont think 'i was just passing someone' would help much in such a situtation.
I think people thats constantly passing/overtaking people need to slow down a bit, like slow down their lives (and cars i guess)
Its like the people you see walking/running in escalators, like wtf, its literally built so you dont have to do that.
Unless you are walking in escalators 8 hours per day the 2 seconds you save walking up one, or the seconds you save passing someone in traffic wont really make a difference. (makes a difference in accident statistics tho)
The dude you passed 10 minutes back will catch up when you hit the next red light anyway, so whats the point.
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I'm surprised the Krauts will go for that, given they don't have speed limits on their autobahns....
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It's governed by GPS and/or equipment installed on the roads themselves, so where there are no speed limits, such as German autobahns or many roads on the Isle of Man, the limiter will be completely disabled.
Hate to burst your bubble Chop, but EU citizens can use the E gates still in the UK with a biometric passport.
So would expect the agreement to be bilateral too.
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Can't let that nonsense stand....
Your man Larsson also played in this game, where he was as much use as a brown toilet block.
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Oh great, so we won't have motor bikes randomly braking and killing their riders in the TT races then?
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I see nothing wrong with my post.
He still helped a Scottish team win, which is what i said in my post.
Hah!
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Just for clarity's sake, the reference 'brown toilet block' is not because he is brown, but in the UK we use a lot of those cistern blocks which dye your toilet water say green or blue (especially for the C*lt*c and Rangers fans respectively). So it would be daft to have say a yellow or brown toilet block which made your bog look unflushed and dirty. Just in case I get a woke-attack.
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You got it backwards, brown toilet block would make perfect sense.
You would never have to clean your toilet again,
'Hey man, your toilet is gross, you should clean it'
'Nah, its just my brown toilet block making it look like its dirty'
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Oh, and i did misunderstand, but not in the woke-attack way.
I thought a toilet block was just the british term for those urinal things (is it urinal cakes they are called)
Not a good word for them, they taste nothing like cake.
I thought a toilet block was just the british term for those urinal things (is it urinal cakes they are called)
Not a good word for them, they taste nothing like cake.
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Yes, urinal cakes or often incorrectly called 'moth balls' as they smell like them.
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As I mentioned recently brexit is not simply a matter of the EU and the UK. Worldwide events matter yet I have seen no mention from Chops on worldly influences despite him being the poster who keeps fueling this thread.
The EU are already in dispute with each other over migration from Afghanistan and that situation is only just beginning.
The EU will become in conflict with each other over Migration and I can foresee it only adding to the very delicate relationship between members and adding to the very debatable existence of the EU.
If the EU do fold then would anti brexit supporters agree that the UK dodged a bullet?
Frances Macron said that Illegal migration from Afghan should be robust enough to"protect Europe from illegal migration" But he does not apply that thinking to the English channel.
Poland,Hungary,Greece and Italy among other members will make things very difficult for the EU in coming months. That is besides other EU issues.
As an aside I can just imagine Biden with his advisors talking about the emerging threat of China asking what they can do to counteract their threat being told to have a military presence in Afghanistan and replying "where is that? We must invade them tomorrow"
The EU are already in dispute with each other over migration from Afghanistan and that situation is only just beginning.
The EU will become in conflict with each other over Migration and I can foresee it only adding to the very delicate relationship between members and adding to the very debatable existence of the EU.
If the EU do fold then would anti brexit supporters agree that the UK dodged a bullet?
Frances Macron said that Illegal migration from Afghan should be robust enough to"protect Europe from illegal migration" But he does not apply that thinking to the English channel.
Poland,Hungary,Greece and Italy among other members will make things very difficult for the EU in coming months. That is besides other EU issues.
As an aside I can just imagine Biden with his advisors talking about the emerging threat of China asking what they can do to counteract their threat being told to have a military presence in Afghanistan and replying "where is that? We must invade them tomorrow"
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Just wondering whether any other countries will leave, and it crossed my mind the average european [if there is such a thing] probably regards the eu as some benign entity similar to the eurovision show, bringing all the nations together in a friendly embrace. Going to take another 10 years for that image to change significantly, as the eu won't stand still, influential people like verhofstadt want to push on with their ideas. Countries like china look like they're racing, with all the development, but to where, & when do things slow down.
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If i thought EU was anywhere close to as evil as the Eurovison song contest, i would had started a Swexit movement a long time ago.
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A case in point, I knew even before i looked that he'd be arguing again for this, on the basis of current events:
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brexit waste of time,still loads coming across everyday on boats n dingys,just no hope or trust anymore
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As I mentioned recently brexit is not simply a matter of the EU and the UK. Worldwide events matter yet I have seen no mention from Chops on worldly influences despite him being the poster who keeps fueling this thread.
The EU are already in dispute with each other over migration from Afghanistan and that situation is only just beginning.
The EU will become in conflict with each other over Migration and I can foresee it only adding to the very delicate relationship between members and adding to the very debatable existence of the EU.
If the EU do fold then would anti brexit supporters agree that the UK dodged a bullet?
Frances Macron said that Illegal migration from Afghan should be robust enough to"protect Europe from illegal migration" But he does not apply that thinking to the English channel.
Poland,Hungary,Greece and Italy among other members will make things very difficult for the EU in coming months. That is besides other EU issues.
As an aside I can just imagine Biden with his advisors talking about the emerging threat of China asking what they can do to counteract their threat being told to have a military presence in Afghanistan and replying "where is that? We must invade them tomorrow"
There have always been tensions and disagreements within the EU about all manner of things, the trick these days is we sort it all out with diplomacy instead of going to war. (And lest we forget the huge number of exemptions and special 'internal deals' the UK used to get as a member as we had some real clout within the EU, which of course we've flushed down the toilet now.)
As for the 'collapse of the EU' which at the last count has been imminently collapsing ever since the referendum and has yet to do so (and indeed public support for EU membership in other EU countries has increased since Brexit as everyone else in the EU has seen what a shitshow it's been for us), it's not exactly a Brexit benefit to say 'Ahhhh but if Thing X happens in five years time then Brexit will on some level have been vindicated'.
I mean, they didn't put on the side of the bus did they? 'VOTE LEAVE - SHIT THINGS MIGHT HAPPEN TO OTHER PEOPLE IN A FEW YEARS TIME WHICH WE'LL HAVE AVOIDED BECAUSE WE LEFT'.
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Wouldn't be such a bad thing, would actually bolster the UK army somewhat since our own army is woefully underfunded, under-resourced and poorly equipped.
The UK army has never been weaker.
(If you've got a bit of time to spare, have a read up on the new 'Ajax' armoured vehicles that the UK army is buying.)
I mean, every single EU country is our ally, what's scary about joining forces with them against genuine threats elsewhere in the world?
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I'll do these so you don't have to.
'McDonald's is junk food so I'm glad they've run out'
'Might help to reduce obesity so it's a good thing'
'LOL WHO EATS MCDONALD'S I HAVEN'T TOUCHED THAT FOR YEARS'
'I only drink British milk from my local farm so I'm not affected'
'This will mean that nice Mr Farage is protected from having milkshakes thrown at him'
etc
Firms from a number of sectors in the UK have been battling with a supply chain crisis due to a shortage of lorry drivers. They blame post-Brexit EU immigration rules, Covid-19 restrictions and self-isolation rules.
Business groups representing the retail and transport sectors have been calling for the government to reverse its decision not to grant temporary work visas to drivers from the EU.
'McDonald's is junk food so I'm glad they've run out'
'Might help to reduce obesity so it's a good thing'
'LOL WHO EATS MCDONALD'S I HAVEN'T TOUCHED THAT FOR YEARS'
'I only drink British milk from my local farm so I'm not affected'
'This will mean that nice Mr Farage is protected from having milkshakes thrown at him'
etc
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Firms from a number of sectors in the UK have been battling with a supply chain crisis due to a shortage of lorry drivers. They blame post-Brexit EU immigration rules, Covid-19 restrictions and self-isolation rules.
Business groups representing the retail and transport sectors have been calling for the government to reverse its decision not to grant temporary work visas to drivers from the EU.
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Time to deploy the Viking fleet.
♫♪EU army rule the waves♫♪
♫♪EU army rule the waves♫♪
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So you've thought this before, 'the EU needs an army'- a body you described as a technocracy? Who would decide the threats and whether to act?
Have you had or got any instances in mind where you'd like to see an EU army in action? [genuine threats i guess]
