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Brexit - whats the difference.....

bamberfishcake said:
Stop stockpiling! you greedy bugger, think about the food shortages!
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Not stock piling when u finish them before you reach the checkout?

Seen too many Walking Deads to know the worst thing you can do is think about others - they'll try and eat you in the end.
 
pinnit2014 said:
Not stock piling when u finish them before you reach the checkout?

Seen too many Walking Deads to know the worst thing you can do is think about others - they'll try and eat you in the end.
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Think the fascination with apocalyptic tv grows the more disgruntled you are with society.

Imagine, the stuff you could horde and claim for yourself, with not another soul in sight? Apart from the occasional zombie, but I've got that covered with a suit of armour and tank ill collect from the Royal Armouries. Plan to visit in my Lambo or Ferrari if the world ends.
 
Got this message to one of my WhatsApp groups last night, this guy is a Scot and lives up in Scotlandshire.

Is he just making it up too?

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But thanks for the post. It means I can now contact asda try get my money refunded.

Did an online delivery for the weekend for a few hundred pound.

Every item I wanted was in stock. But as all the shelves are empty they have lied and ripped me off.

Better chase them up now and ask why did you accept an order when you have nothing in stock.

Wonder if Max can do a PAB against them for lying and screwing me out of my dinner.
 
pinnit2014 said:
Off up to Sainsbury's. -they tell you what's not available. Only one this time.

The mango slices, 200g are unavailable, so giving me 450g

So looks like they've got too much mango to get rid of.
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Sainsbury's you snob. Poor me has to use asda or tesco. But tesco got bombed out after delivering my order nearly 24 hours late months ago. And again that was due to incompetence on their behalf not brexit. So has to be asda now. Well until i just got informed they have ripped me off lol.
 
paul7388 said:
Sainsbury's you snob. Poor me has to use asda or tesco. But tesco got bombed out after delivering my order nearly 24 hours late months ago. And again that was due to incompetence on their behalf not brexit. So has to be asda now. Well until u just got informed they have ripped me off lol.
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Waitrose now check your credit file before letting you in and Bonanza put paid to that.

Morrisons are the worse - their home delivery they just bring u massive crates, land at your door and they stand there as you fetch the bags etc: feel rushed to dangerously put the bleach in the same bag as the cauliflower.

Some of them are ranked low down on the supply chains anyhow - why i think you get fresher stuff from some and not the others - they get the dregs at the best of times.

No different to one Health Board being better than another - you can't just jump to the conclusion 'Need more money!' - (a la Labour) but could be because one is better run than the other.
 
pinnit2014 said:
Waitrose now check your credit file before letting you in and Bonanza put paid to that.

Morrisons are the worse - their home delivery they just bring u massive crates, land at your door and they stand there as you fetch the bags etc: feel rushed to dangerously put the bleach in the same bag as the cauliflower.

Some of them are ranked low down on the supply chains anyhow - why i think you get fresher stuff from some and not the others - they get the dregs at the best of times.

No different to one Health Board being better than another - you can't just jump to the conclusion 'Need more money!' - (a la Labour) but could be because one is better run than the other.
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Never did online shopping till this year. But with all this covid shit I couldn't be arsed going to supermarkets anymore. Okay correct that she couldn't be arsed anymore. Used to.let her go for it all. I would help by putting some of it away. Besides got fed up with her not getting trifles, biscuits etc.

Yeah tesco and asdadoes that as well. Brings cases to door and expect you to empty them Into bags there. I just lift them into kitchen and empty it all out anyway and then give cases back to driver lol.
 
paul7388 said:
Never did online shopping till this year. But with all this covid shit I couldn't be arsed going to supermarkets anymore. Okay correct that she couldn't be arsed anymore. Used to.let her go for it all. I would help by putting some of it away. Besides got fed up with her not getting trifles, biscuits etc.

Yeah tesco and asdadoes that as well. Brings cases to door and expect you to empty them Into bags there. I just lift them into kitchen and empty it all out anyway and then give cases back to driver lol.
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We never used to until this but now, i hated it at the best of times, cannot be bothered, unless it's to pick up 1/2 things, going into a store - used to hate getting stuck behind some slow poke in the aisles, moving to get by and then they dart out etc - blood pressure couldn't take the rage.

Some are better than others - asda/morrisons will lump you with stuff with todays date, Sainsbury's are alright though so now it's better to pull into the click and collect, open the boot and good to go in 3 mins.

i went to lift it but went 'fuck me, that's heavy' and put it down :laugh:
 
paul7388 said:
But thanks for the post. It means I can now contact asda try get my money refunded.

Did an online delivery for the weekend for a few hundred pound.

Every item I wanted was in stock. But as all the shelves are empty they have lied and ripped me off.

Better chase them up now and ask why did you accept an order when you have nothing in stock.

Wonder if Max can do a PAB against them for lying and screwing me out of my dinner.
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The world isn't an entirely binary place. Something that is true in one area, can be partly true or untrue in another.

The fact that your Asda had everything in stock doesn't change the fact that my mate went shopping last night and found a lot of empty shelves.

This is another message from the same group. He's not making this stuff up just for a laugh.

Stock shortages in some supermarkets, in some places, are a real thing. Just because your local supermarkets are fully stocked doesn't mean they are everywhere.

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But again Chopley and I am not trying to be argumentative.

But this is Scotland. For last couple of weeks it has been bloody hot. Supermarkets have so much stock to last normally.

Then when you get non stop nice weather that never happens everyone rushes out for stuff.

Alcohol, water, fruit, burgers etc. Are things that are flying off the shelves.

Everyone is out drinking and eating barbecues and fruit etc. For smoothies and eating as they don't want big hot meals.

Sounds daft but when u get what is a heatwave for us then people rush out and buy the products you mention that they never normally buy.

Some shops would run out of those things whether Brexit and covid existed or not.
 
I couldn't find an ice cube to buy for love or money the week just gone. Now every supermarket has tonnes of them. Unfortunately no need for them now :(
 
Malta is still in EU (if not soon kicked out after getting greylisted by FATF) and my favorite vodka been out of stock already two fcking weeks from my corner store, they keep promising they trying and trying to get it but still not.

Now have to use some replacements which are almost €2 more expensive (first favorite of course is free but that's not often available but now second best, cheap haven't been there for while), dunno who could i blame that my "groceries" have come around 20% more expensive last two weeks :mad:
 
The "pingdemic" is also causing empty shelves, due to staff shortages at some of the big supermarkets.

There are (in some cases) not enough staff at some of the Tesco Superstore/Tesco Extra branches (day or night) to do stock replenishment.

Then factor in the heatwave we had in Norn Iron last week. End result: Empty ice cream/ice lolly cabinets. Empty soft drinks/minerals shelves etc etc.

But no....it MUST be to do with Brexit. Can't possibly be ANY OTHER REASON, can it?

I do have a serious question for you though Choppers.....

Given that your incessant harping on about Brexit has gone way beyond comical levels and is fast approaching the highest levels of tedium
known to mankind (think having to play Starburst without autoplay 23 hours 59 minutes a day),
is it reasonable to assume that Mrs Chopley has banned Brexit talk in your house and is threatening to divorce you if you defy it?
 
mcgameboy said:
The "pingdemic" is also causing empty shelves, due to staff shortages at some of the big supermarkets.

There are (in some cases) not enough staff at some of the Tesco Superstore/Tesco Extra branches (day or night) to do stock replenishment.

Then factor in the heatwave we had in Norn Iron last week. End result: Empty ice cream/ice lolly cabinets. Empty soft drinks/minerals shelves etc etc.

But no....it MUST be to do with Brexit. Can't possibly be ANY OTHER REASON, can it?

I do have a serious question for you though Choppers.....

Given that your incessant harping on about Brexit has gone way beyond comical levels and is fast approaching the highest levels of tedium
known to mankind (think having to play Starburst without autoplay 23 hours 59 minutes a day),
is it reasonable to assume that Mrs Chopley has banned Brexit talk in your house and is threatening to divorce you if you defy it?
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No, he's married to Anna Soubry. (NOT a Nazi)
 
mcgameboy said:
The "pingdemic" is also causing empty shelves, due to staff shortages at some of the big supermarkets.

There are (in some cases) not enough staff at some of the Tesco Superstore/Tesco Extra branches (day or night) to do stock replenishment.

Then factor in the heatwave we had in Norn Iron last week. End result: Empty ice cream/ice lolly cabinets. Empty soft drinks/minerals shelves etc etc.

But no....it MUST be to do with Brexit. Can't possibly be ANY OTHER REASON, can it?

I do have a serious question for you though Choppers.....

Given that your incessant harping on about Brexit has gone way beyond comical levels and is fast approaching the highest levels of tedium
known to mankind (think having to play Starburst without autoplay 23 hours 59 minutes a day),
is it reasonable to assume that Mrs Chopley has banned Brexit talk in your house and is threatening to divorce you if you defy it?
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He doesn't know as she's been out of the house for 2 weeks looking for bread

Also, when Supermarket Sweep gets cancelled we'll know things are REALLY bad.
 
Ha! Mrs Chopley is even more of a Remainy Left-Winger than I am, to give you an idea, she's a fully paid-up card carrying member of the Labour Party - (she joined in the Corbyn era because she really liked Corbyn) - and she can't even vote in UK elections.
 
ChopleyIOM said:
Ha! Mrs Chopley is even more of a Remainy Left-Winger than I am, to give you an idea, she's a fully paid-up card carrying member of the Labour Party - (she joined in the Corbyn era because she really liked Corbyn) - and she can't even vote in UK elections.
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Ah! She's the one...
 
Absolutely terrifying that the shops have empty shelves, all because of nasty old Brexit.... I mean never in the history of shopping has there ever been such a thing as a shelf missing three loaves of bread, an empty space where the spuds should have been....

Same old chopley, whatever happens its all down to Brexit, unless its actually something good - thats just a fluke and it would have been so much better without Brexit.
 
cncas2123 said:
Absolutely terrifying that the shops have empty shelves, all because of nasty old Brexit.... I mean never in the history of shopping has there ever been such a thing as a shelf missing three loaves of bread, an empty space where the spuds should have been....

Same old chopley, whatever happens its all down to Brexit, unless its actually something good - thats just a fluke and it would have been so much better without Brexit.
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As Mcgame pointed out re Pingdemics etc

But i suppose that doesn't suit the narrative he wants to tediously run with.

PS - i voted to remain but there comes a point where you go, we aimed, we shot, we missed. -bit like the England football team at the Euro's.
 
pinnit2014 said:
As Mcgame pointed out re Pingdemics etc

But i suppose that doesn't suit the narrative he wants to tediously run with.

PS - i voted to remain but there comes a point where you go, we aimed, we shot, we missed. -bit like the England football team at the Euro's.
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This has been my point since I started the thread - regardless of what way anyone voted the democracy we all ascribe to is dependent on following the will of the people after free and fair elections.
In the case of Brexit it was a free and fair referendum and once the decision was made, even though the referendum was non binding, the democratic thing to do was to invoke article 50 and leave the EU.
Brexit will most certainly be what we make it, and the majority of the UK is mature and responsible enough to try and make a go of it.
 
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So once something happens we're not supposed to analyse what things went well, what things didn't, what could be done better or improved etc?

Riffs on 'you lost get over it' almost by definition preclude the possibility of a critical analysis of what impacts Brexit has had, and by extension, what the correct course of action for the UK might be, on a huge range of issues, going forward.

When I conclude a project at work and a customer comes back to me with something they're not happy about, I don't just say 'The project is finished now, get over it', I listen to their feedback, understand their concerns, and put forward suggestions to make things better, because that's, y'know, the sensible, helpful, pragmatic and adult thing to do.

The starting point for 'debate' about Brexit seems to be that (a) It's done and (b) It's perfect, and therefore any attempt to question its effects or suggest improvements can immediately be labelled (rather conveniently) as 'anti-democratic'.

Brexit isn't finished yet as a process, yes the UK has left the EU as a single event, but that's clearly only part of a process that will be ongoing for many years, if not decades to come, and pointing out stuff that it's made worse, and actions that could be taken to to mitigate those negative effects, is an entirely sensible way to go about things. (And also, good for the UK.)
 
ChopleyIOM said:
So once something happens we're not supposed to analyse what things went well, what things didn't, what could be done better or improved etc?

Riffs on 'you lost get over it' almost by definition preclude the possibility of a critical analysis of what impacts Brexit has had, and by extension, what the correct course of action for the UK might be, on a huge range of issues, going forward.

When I conclude a project at work and a customer comes back to me with something they're not happy about, I don't just say 'The project is finished now, get over it', I listen to their feedback, understand their concerns, and put forward suggestions to make things better, because that's, y'know, the sensible, helpful, pragmatic and adult thing to do.

The starting point for 'debate' about Brexit seems to be that (a) It's done and (b) It's perfect, and therefore any attempt to question its effects or suggest improvements can immediately be labelled (rather conveniently) as 'anti-democratic'.

Brexit isn't finished yet as a process, yes the UK has left the EU as a single event, but that's clearly only part of a process that will be ongoing for many years, if not decades to come, and pointing out stuff that it's made worse, and actions that could be taken to to mitigate those negative effects, is an entirely sensible way to go about things. (And also, good for the UK.)
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Choppers, you cherry pick anything possible to slag Brexit off, You don't analyse feck all or discuss what else could of been done.

You just post constant bitterness driven drivel to suit your agenda, because you didn't get the vote you wanted.

Shelves in shops being empty have FA to do with Brexit.

It a complete lack of drivers (and staff) due to the pingdemic, which i believe they have now made delivery drivers essential workers. Every single supermarket and agency are screaming out for drivers.
 
And there we are again, it has to be binary, it can't be anything at all to do with Brexit, literally 'fuck all' to do with Brexit, completely black or white.

Whereas I have never claimed that the shortage of drivers is entirely down to Brexit, but that it's partly to do with Brexit, and it is an exacerbating factor it what is a very complex situation with many moving parts.

The 'pingdemic' is a problem, Covid is a problem, many UK based truck drivers leaving the profession is a problem, but the fact that 25,000 EU drivers are estimated to have been lost from UK roads as a result of Brexit is also a problem.

It's not a question of 'slagging Brexit off', and as for having never suggested alternatives, I mean, the history of this very thread would suggest otherwise..... But hey, just 'cherry pick' the bits you want :)
 
Gaz237 said:
Every single supermarket and agency are screaming out for drivers.
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And that is the crux of the matter. A combination of the DVLA not processing license renewals in a timely manner, cancellation of LGV driving tests during the pandemic, summer school holidays (when drivers decide to spend time away with their family), the impact of the IR35 changes, and fresh blood not wanting to join the industry (a train crash that was coming down the line way before Brexit was even invented, we talked about this some 20 years ago!).

Agency LGV drivers can now demand up to £50 per hour.

We, I work for one of the big four supermarkets in Logistics, across our depots have recently been employing almost 200 new drivers.

Brexit has had a miniscule effect. The other factors mentioned above are the real reason for the driver shortage.
 
interlog said:
Brexit has had a miniscule effect. The other factors mentioned above are the real reason for the driver shortage.
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So more than 'fuck all' then.

(I'd argue more than 'miniscule effect', but whatever, the point stands that Brexit is a factor.)
 
interlog said:
If Brexit didn't happen, there still would be a driver shortage. It has been predicted years and years ago.
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I don't disagree with you, but Brexit is one of the straws that's helped to break the camel's back.
 
Well I guess it's impossible to say definitively, one way or other, what exact conflation of circumstances may have led to any particular shelf being bare of certain products at any given time, but I'd throw Brexit into the mix as a contributing factor to the overall picture.
 
ChopleyIOM said:
Well I guess it's impossible to say definitively, one way or other, what exact conflation of circumstances may have led to any particular shelf being bare of certain products at any given time, but I'd throw Brexit into the mix as a contributing factor to the overall picture.
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Of course, of course...
 
ChopleyIOM said:
Well I guess it's impossible to say definitively, one way or other, what exact conflation of circumstances may have led to any particular shelf being bare of certain products at any given time, but I'd throw Brexit into the mix as a contributing factor to the overall picture.
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Gone from defo Brexit, to maybe...

Suppose that's an improvement of sorts.
 
bamberfishcake said:
The fruit section was sparse at Aldis, the tesco experience was similar.......

That's comedy gold, talk about a 21st century problem, Has he had issues finding argyle socks and gingham shirts :p

p.s. please tell him there's a shortage on charge for his hybrid.
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I know, having to substitute apples for oranges has been a real ball kicker.
 
No one's claiming that a reduction of choice at the supermarket is anything other than a first worst problem, the point is that it's another situation that Brexit has (in whatever small way), made worse.

I appreciate that deflection away from the reality of Brexit can appear useful as a method to obfuscate the gulf between what it promised, and what it delivered, so it's perhaps useful to have a reminder.

In casino deposit terms, Brexit is a horrible bust out before even landing a feature, along with endless game disconnects and crashes, and as a final flourish your PC explodes along with an exclamation of 'Bloody EU making my computer explode!'

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ChopleyIOM said:
gulf between what it promised, and what it delivered,
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This happens with every single political party that's won an election in my lifetime. They promise the earth and underdeliver, nothing new there.

I must admit, I'm so preoccupied with stuff other than Brexit, I don't profess to know much about the effects but would assume it's too early and too chaotic to link much of anything to Brexit at the minute. Your friend's use of language just made me chuckle.

As far as I know, we are still thrashing deals out and have a lot more thrashing to do. Could be years before you could evidence how effective Brexit was. Maybe I'm wrong, but I'll have a proper look when a headline grabs or I see something heavyweight other than arguably sparse shelves.
 
bamberfishcake said:
This happens with every single political party that's won an election in my lifetime. They promise the earth and underdeliver, nothing new there.

I must admit, I'm so preoccupied with stuff other than Brexit, I don't profess to know much about the effects but would assume it's too early and too chaotic to link much of anything to Brexit at the minute. Your friend's use of language just made me chuckle.

As far as I know, we are still thrashing deals out and have a lot more thrashing to do. Could be years before you could evidence how effective Brexit was. Maybe I'm wrong, but I'll have a proper look when a headline grabs or I see something heavyweight other than arguably sparse shelves.
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It's also really tricky to work out, outside of Brexit but in general, what the true lay of the land is: from 'we will invest more in local services and have pledged an extra 2 billion' sounds great, but when you drill into it, due to ring fencing monies etc, it transpires it's 500m less than 2011 standards. Sleight of hand.

Same for employment figures: you'll see 'reduced by x', then read somewhere else that the real decrease is not even 1/5th of that due to re-categorising etc.

You'd need a rainman spider diagram to suss it all out.
 

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