Brexit - whats the difference.....

[kennygamerboy]

Has someone shit in someones currywurst?

Nein nein it was the sauerkraut

 

[TheAddict]

I jokingly said (in zee trump thread) if he tried to cross the British border, i would be waiting with my 22 pelet gun on the hills.

2 years later, he brings it up. lol

 

[mack341]

It is called extracting the michael, no need to be outraged by it, we can all get along. I'm sure brits and the uk's ways are the subject of merriment and amusement.

 

[Kroffe]

I would never make fun of a nation that consider beans on toast food, they are obviously crazy.

 

[dunover]

I would never make fun of a nation that consider beans on toast food, they are obviously crazy.

Don't forget the roast beef! (le Rosbifs)

P.S. Since the football the Germans are really getting a bit spiteful, so the outburst of Herr Sour doesn't really surprise me:

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[News Hound]

So not content with attempting to cause all out mayhem in Northern Ireland a few months back. The EU still butt hurt over the AZ vaccine and Britain's successful vaccination programme, not shackled by the EU Medicines Agency, have now intimated that all Brits that have had the AZ vaccine will not be able to travel to EU member countries this summer.

LOL

What an overburdening bureaucratic beast the EU is, yet some wonder why on earth people in the UK voted to leave back in 2016.......

 

[ChopleyIOM]

So not content with attempting to cause all out mayhem in Northern Ireland a few months back. The EU still butt hurt over the AZ vaccine and Britain's successful vaccination programme, not shackled by the EU Medicines Agency, have now intimated that all Brits that have had the AZ vaccine will not be able to travel to EU member countries this summer.

That's an impressive amount of wrong to fit into in two short sentences.

10/10

 

[ChopleyIOM]

The sight of Boris Johnson stood next to Angela Merkel, explaining the consequences of his own shit deal and moaning about them, is really quite something.

Who would have thought that a proven liar, adulterer, cheater and collaborator in getting a journalist beaten up would turn out to be such a godawful Prime Minister.

 

[kennygamerboy]

Don't forget the roast beef! (le Rosbifs)

P.S. Since the football the Germans are really getting a bit spiteful, so the outburst of Herr Sour doesn't really surprise me:

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This isn’t bad news Nairobi

So not content with attempting to cause all out mayhem in Northern Ireland a few months back. The EU still butt hurt over the AZ vaccine and Britain's successful vaccination programme, not shackled by the EU Medicines Agency, have now intimated that all Brits that have had the AZ vaccine will not be able to travel to EU member countries this summer.

LOL

What an overburdening bureaucratic beast the EU is, yet some wonder why on earth people in the UK voted to leave back in 2016.......

what a joke the unelected EU beauract

The sight of Boris Johnson stood next to Angela Merkel, explaining the consequences of his own shit deal and moaning about them, is really quite something.

Who would have thought that a proven liar, adulterer, cheater and collaborator in getting a journalist beaten up would turn out to be such a godawful Prime Minister.

to be fair mate who would of done better I’m not a Tory But Labour are just as vile they are all self serving arse holes and kier starmer is just as much a wrongun

 

[shadow123]

Funny how the UK never realized what they were voting for in the referendum, probably saved thousands of lives

 

[dunover]

The sight of Boris Johnson stood next to Angela Merkel, explaining the consequences of his own shit deal and moaning about them, is really quite something.

Who would have thought that a proven liar, adulterer, cheater and collaborator in getting a journalist beaten up would turn out to be such a godawful Prime Minister.

All prerequisites to being an effective PM. He matches the EU pound-for-pound.

 

[mack341]

The sight of Boris Johnson stood next to Angela Merkel, explaining the consequences of his own shit deal and moaning about them, is really quite something.

Who would have thought that a proven liar, adulterer, cheater and collaborator in getting a journalist beaten up would turn out to be such a godawful Prime Minister.

I think bojo and the govt advisers knew they'd be in this position, did it to get brexit over the line, knowing that as it played out later on, uk sausages banned from NI etc...the eu would look silly, as long as they're consumed and not exported into the eu shops what does it matter.

Edit: the obsession with rules really doesn't help their image, officiousness is pretty much detested by all, maybe seeking.to micromanage 28 nations wasn't such a bright idea.

 

[Gaz237]

Nissan don't seem to be worried about Brexit, seeing as they have signed off investment of over a Billion to build a new Giga factory in Sunderland to produce electric cars.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Nissan don't seem to be worried about Brexit, seeing as they have signed off investment of over a Billion to build a new Giga factory in Sunderland to produce electric cars.

Yes and all it took was hundreds of millions of pounds of public money being passed under the table to them to make it happen.

Of course it's good news that the factory stays open and the jobs stay there, but let's not pretend it was anything other than a massive cash bribe that made it happen. (An amount so large it remains a secret that neither the UK Gov or Nissan themselves are inclined to reveal.)

 

[ChopleyIOM]

I think bojo and the govt advisers knew they'd be in this position, did it to get brexit over the line, knowing that as it played out later on, uk sausages banned from NI etc...the eu would look silly, as long as they're consumed and not exported into the eu shops what does it matter.

Edit: the obsession with rules really doesn't help their image, officiousness is pretty much detested by all, maybe seeking.to micromanage 28 nations wasn't such a bright idea.

As much as I admire your glass half full optimism on this mack, to the watching world one of the parties here looks 'silly', and it isn't the EU.....

 

[Gaz237]

Yes and all it took was hundreds of millions of pounds of public money being passed under the table to them to make it happen.

Of course it's good news that the factory stays open and the jobs stay there, but let's not pretend it was anything other than a massive cash bribe that made it happen. (An amount so large it remains a secret that neither the UK Gov or Nissan themselves are inclined to reveal.)

There's nothing new about companies being paid to invest.

It will be money well spent.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

The Telegraph feeling duty-bound to report the news, but also not to explain things properly.

This is like writing a story about Neil Armstrong without mentioning the moon.

Clearly the correct headline is 'Shortage of EU lorry drivers due to Brexit raises spectre of empty shelves'.

In fairness there is another factor in play, the other is the Tories’ silly IR35 tax reform, which taxes self-employed lorry drivers like employees without giving them any employment rights. Some drivers are unwilling to work under those conditions.

Still, makes sense that the Tories should make a bad problem worse by, y'know, being fucking incompetent as well as having pushed through an ideologically driven Brexit with no proper concern given to the consequences for, well, anything, really.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

There's nothing new about companies being paid to invest.

It will be money well spent.

I don't necessarily disagree with you, but 'Investment is good and may encourage companies to expand in the UK' is not the same as 'Nissan don't seem to be worried about Brexit'.

I'd suggest most companies, when faced with a cash bung of around half a billion pounds of taxpayers' money, would be looking favourably on the UK as a location for one of their new factories.

 

[colinsunderland]

I don't necessarily disagree with you, but 'Investment is good and may encourage companies to expand in the UK' is not the same as 'Nissan don't seem to be worried about Brexit'.

I'd suggest most companies, when faced with a cash bung of around half a billion pounds of taxpayers' money, would be look favourably on the UK as a location for one of their new factories.

By all accounts it's only around £100 Million they were given to open the factory. If thats the case, then I think it's a small price to pay.
Whatever it was though, they were looking at pulling out of the Sunderland location because of Brexit, which would have been a complete disaster for the North East, there would have been tens of thousands of decently paid jobs lost if they had, so whatever has been paid to them is money well spent.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

By all accounts it's only around £100 Million they were given to open the factory. If thats the case, then I think it's a small price to pay.
Whatever it was though, they were looking at pulling out of the Sunderland location because of Brexit, which would have been a complete disaster for the North East, there would have been tens of thousands of decently paid jobs lost if they had, so whatever has been paid to them is money well spent.

£100m was the original figure, by all accounts there's been more shenanigans involved with the 'Gigafactory' funding which neither UK Gov or Nissan are prepared to talk numbers on in terms of state aid, but the gap between what Nissan announced it was investing and the total figure required comes in at around half a billion quid.

Either way, as you say yourself there, Brexit created a problem (Nissan threatened to leave the UK due to Brexit) which then cost hundreds of millions pounds (of taxpayers' money) to fix - so not exactly a Brexit 'win'!

(See also, these 'FANTASTIC NEW TRADE DEALS' we're signing, which in reality are just rollovers of what we already had as an EU member, and where there are still many, many gaps. Or the trade deal with Australia, which had the Aussies grinning like Cheshire Cats over its terms. As someone put it, 'This is what the trade deal would look like if the Australians just wrote it for themselves'.)

 

[mack341]

Think how much we're spending on hs2, i would expect the japanese to excel at designing electric cars, so should be money well spent.

I read yesterday's torygraph and regarding an eu labour shortage hitting the lorry sector, 6 million eu citizens have so far applied for uk residency, double the govt estimates, so the stories of labour shortages hitting the news [mostly pro remain papers] might be being overblown.

Edit: I think we will actually see more rail freight and then smaller trucks taking it to local warehouses etc..

 

[interlog]

In fairness there is another factor in play, the other is the Tories’ silly IR35 tax reform, which taxes self-employed lorry drivers like employees without giving them any employment rights. Some drivers are unwilling to work under those conditions.

Do you have any idea what kind of tax dodging stuff went on? Well I know (I work in the industry) and it had to stop.

Besides, now that they are paid parity after the qualifying period, they earn the same as the employees that they work for. For the Company I work for, it is a very decent wage. Our basic wage for a night driver is £47k based on a 48 hour week plus usual benefits.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Yes I know pretty much what was going on and agree that changes needed to be made, but at the same time the impact of the change was well understood, particularly in conjunction with the effects of Brexit, which has now left us critically short of drivers and staring down the barrel of genuine shortages on the shelves.

I heard industry representatives on the radio two or more years ago warning about pretty much the exact situation we're in now. (I seem to recall it was filed under Project Fear.)

 

[interlog]

Yes I know pretty much what was going on and agree that changes needed to be made, but at the same time the impact of the change was well understood, particularly in conjunction with the effects of Brexit, which has now left us critically short of drivers and staring down the barrel of genuine shortages on the shelves.

I heard industry representatives on the radio two or more years ago warning about pretty much the exact situation we're in now. (I seem to recall it was filed under Project Fear.)

The future shortage of drivers was already mentioned and anticipated to take effect way before Brexit and Covid. No new blood coming into the industry for a starters (the average age of our drivers work force is in the mid 50's). Those from Europe historically have always worked here for a few years, banging in all the hours they could (in the process doing all sort of dodgy things to get to it), cooping up in doss houses in order to make enough money to then go back to their home country with a bunch of good cash in their pocket.

We recently recruited for 50 drivers, we had in excess of 100 applicants.

 

[interlog]

To add to the above, it was the Labour Government under an EU Directive back in 2009 that introduced the Drivers Certificate of Professional Competence adding extra expense to obtaining the required qualification to drive a LGV vehicle.

Didn't help a bit that....

 

[interlog]

And to further add...... it were actually the Eastern Europeans and Spanish haulage Companies (sponsored with EU subsidies) that started to undercut the English hauliers it in turn resulting in wages being driven down, it in turn resulting in the profession of an LGV driver no longer becoming attractive. And that was some 15-20 years ago.

There is a shortage of qualified LGV drivers. You pay crap wages, you're going to struggle. You pay decent wages, and you will get your drivers. It certainly now is an employees market.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

I don't disagree with any of that, and there is certainly an argument to be made for having the drivers essential to the UK being based in the UK, but the fact remains that the UK had ended up in a position where it was heavily reliant on EU drivers, and Brexit has pushed the situation to a crisis point. (As I understand it many EU drivers returned to the EU because of Covid, and then post-Brexit it's so difficult for them to return that they can't be bothered.)

So yes, it's a situation that's been brewing for a long time, but it's Brexit that's tipped it over the edge, and as ever, the government has been caught with its pants down and no plan.

Still, at least some clever hauliers have discovered a loophole of...... Moving a chunk of their business to the EU.

 

[mack341]

BBC panorama last night was on brrexit problems, one fisherman has to complete about 80 pages of paperwork every day apparently, takes 3 hrs, but didn't delve into why, or question a relevant mp or minister what's it all to do with. How much paperwork do other countries with an eu trade deal, japan and canada being recent ones, have to complete. A bit of delving is required to get to the source of these issues.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

. A bit of delving is required to get to the source of these issues.

I'll give you a clue, the problem's first name is Boris, and its second name is Johnson.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

There's nothing new about companies being paid to invest.

It will be money well spent.

One thing to note on the Nissan investment situation is the French Government is a part owner of Renault, which owns half of Nissan.

So we're now giving UK taxpayers' money to the French government to keep a UK factory open because Brexit threatened its existence. Quite amusing that we're still 'paying into the EU' I suppose.

 

[colinsunderland]

One thing to note on the Nissan investment situation is the French Government is a part owner of Renault, which owns half of Nissan.

So we're now giving UK taxpayers' money to the French government to keep a UK factory open because Brexit threatened its existence. Quite amusing that we're still 'paying into the EU' I suppose.

The French government own 15% of Renault
Renault own 43% of Nissan
Nissan own 15% of Renault.

No one is giving the French government money.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Whichever way you slice it the French Government has a direct financial interest in Nissan, which the UK Government has just chucked around half a billion pounds of taxpayers' money at, to mitigate the effects of Brexit.

 

[dunover]

Whichever way you slice it the French Government has a direct financial interest in Nissan, which the UK Government has just chucked around half a billion pounds of taxpayers' money at, to mitigate the effects of Brexit.

This being the French, masters of the state subsidy themselves? Alas, being in the EU means they are somewhat restricted in this area....

 

[colinsunderland]

Whichever way you slice it the French Government has a direct financial interest in Nissan, which the UK Government has just chucked around half a billion pounds of taxpayers' money at, to mitigate the effects of Brexit.

So would you prefer them not to have done so, costing 10's of thousands of jobs?

 

[cncas2123]

I really cant see anything negative in news that the government is willing to give incentives and subsidies to ensure well paid jobs are kept in the North East, and I am sure that there are plenty of countries in the EU that wish that investment had been made in their backyards, but as usual because its a good news story that isnt centred on the EU choppers has to try and drag it down.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

So would you prefer them not to have done so, costing 10's of thousands of jobs?

Of course not, but let's call this what it is, Brexit created a problem that it cost a fortune in public money to fix.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

I really cant see anything negative in news that the government is willing to give incentives and subsidies to ensure well paid jobs are kept in the North East, and I am sure that there are plenty of countries in the EU that wish that investment had been made in their backyards, but as usual because its a good news story that isnt centred on the EU choppers has to try and drag it down.

On what planet is this is a good news story?

If I set your house on fire, and then spend your money on a fire engine to put the fire out, are you going to thank me for creating the 'good news story' of your house being saved from the fire that I started?

 

[cncas2123]

On what planet is this is a good news story?

If I set your house on fire, and then spend your money on a fire engine to put the fire out, are you going to thank me for creating the 'good news story' of your house being saved from the fire that I started?

Jobs being protected. Investment in a cleaner more environmentally friendly future. Thats good news in my book.
I suppose in your eyes the good old EU would never incentivise companies to retain jobs? And if I remember correctly, your old hero Jeremy Corbyn was all about state intervention etc etc.
Time to give up your crusade, democracy won and the majority who voted got their wishes, the UK has left the EU and they can decide their own future now, for good or for bad, its not going to be plain sailing but I am sure the UK can get through the next few years which will be the toughest as the whole world tries to recover from the Pandemic.

 

[paul7388]

I really cant see anything negative in news that the government is willing to give incentives and subsidies to ensure well paid jobs are kept in the North East, and I am sure that there are plenty of countries in the EU that wish that investment had been made in their backyards, but as usual because its a good news story that isnt centred on the EU choppers has to try and drag it down.

Let's face it we know how Chopley feels about Brexit.

Maybe in a few years from now he will accept that it happened and that life has managed to carry on in the UK.

Until then guess we just need to let him scour the Internet to try find things that make him feel how bad brexit really is.

I would never have voted to leave myself but it happened. Nothing in life has changed for me. More pissed of at the Scottish government and covid than any damage Brexit has done.

Everyone knew that there would be all sorts of short term problems leaving EU. It will take years to break away and get deals etc. That suit. Maybe if in 10 years it is a disaster still he can say told you. But until enough time passes to sort things out noone will know if it was s good idea to leave or not.

 

[pinnit2014]

Let's face it we know how Chopley feels about Brexit.

Maybe in a few years from now he will accept that it happened and that life has managed to carry on in the UK.

Until then guess we just need to let him scour the Internet to try find things that make him feel how bad brexit really is.

I would never have voted to leave myself but it happened. Nothing in life has changed for me. More pissed of at the Scottish government and covid than any damage Brexit has done.

Everyone knew that there would be all sorts of short term problems leaving EU. It will take years to break away and get deals etc. That suit. Maybe if in 10 years it is a disaster still he can say told you. But until enough time passes to sort things out noone will know if it was s good idea to leave or not.

Remember the fish

Always remember

 

[interlog]

I don't disagree with any of that, and there is certainly an argument to be made for having the drivers essential to the UK being based in the UK, but the fact remains that the UK had ended up in a position where it was heavily reliant on EU drivers, and Brexit has pushed the situation to a crisis point. (As I understand it many EU drivers returned to the EU because of Covid, and then post-Brexit it's so difficult for them to return that they can't be bothered.)

So yes, it's a situation that's been brewing for a long time, but it's Brexit that's tipped it over the edge, and as ever, the government has been caught with its pants down and no plan.

Still, at least some clever hauliers have discovered a loophole of...... Moving a chunk of their business to the EU.

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Ah the same loophole that existed before Brexit then..... UK hauliers have been registering their trucks to more favourable (tax) locations for years. Brexit didn't make that happen.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

The final Brexit indignity has been inflicted, went to get a Chinese and was greeted by this.

CURSE YOU FARAGE. CURSE YOU CAMERON. CURSE YOU VOTE LEAVE.

REJOIN THE EU NOW.

 

[interlog]

The final Brexit indignity has been inflicted, went to get a Chinese and was greeted by this.

CURSE YOU FARAGE. CURSE YOU CAMERON. CURSE YOU VOTE LEAVE.

REJOIN THE EU NOW.

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Where there is a will, there is a way:

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[pinnit2014]

I know Paul has felt this pain deeply @paul7388

What about when they come for your curry sauce? What next? The Brussel bastards have the temerity to then come for the veggie rolls?

I must admit i was raging when i spent 15 quid the other night and never got the free PC's. But this is new level.

As for fortune cookies?

Not in my lifetime

 

[paul7388]

The final Brexit indignity has been inflicted, went to get a Chinese and was greeted by this.

CURSE YOU FARAGE. CURSE YOU CAMERON. CURSE YOU VOTE LEAVE.

REJOIN THE EU NOW.

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Seriously you really are obsessed with trying to tell people how bad Brexit is going to be.

Well got some news. My local chinese has plenty prawn crackers. And they are not going to be running out of them anytime soon. Really you are starting to scrape the barrel looking for anything to try and back up your opinion on Brexit.

 

[bamberfishcake]

The final Brexit indignity has been inflicted, went to get a Chinese and was greeted by this.

CURSE YOU FARAGE. CURSE YOU CAMERON. CURSE YOU VOTE LEAVE.

REJOIN THE EU NOW.

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Never seen a Chinese takeaway shop sign so well constructed in all my life, must have posh take-aways where your from, looks like you just printed that off

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Seriously you really are obsessed with trying to tell people how bad Brexit is going to be.

Well got some news. My local chinese has plenty prawn crackers. And they are not going to be running out of them anytime soon. Really you are starting to scrape the barrel looking for anything to try and back up your opinion on Brexit.

It was tongue in cheek, I hoped I'd made that obvious

(I don't even know the real reason we don't have any prawn crackers, it might not even be Brexit.)

 

[bamberfishcake]

I bet there are shedloads of prawn crackers at the buffet in Brussels.

 

[mack341]

Oh dear if true very telling of eu values and mindset behind the gloss.

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[ChopleyIOM]

David Frost expresses further disappointment and annoyance with.... checks notes...... the deal he negotiated and signed.

Apparently it's all that horrible Theresa May's fault now.

That's the weird thing with Brexit, no one seems to want to take the blame for it, but no one wants to take the 'credit' for it either.