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Sigh absolute tosh. Go and join the miseries in Brussels leave the rest of us to flag wave and be proud.
Brexit - whats the difference.....
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The fact that a bit of flag waving would be enough to antagonise ANYONE says more about the person(s) it's antagonising than the person waving the flag.
Jeez, when did everything become so sterile and passionless??
So to you, timing and context is not important during heightened times and these oh-so-fun Brexit adventures we've all had then. I guess other nations just don't 'like it up 'em'
ps they can wave all they want, not overly bothered if they want to make fools of themselves
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Checks remainer bingo card.... Yes crosses off litte Englander can i get my remainer card full house just from Goatwack alone?
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Also, I've just read a bit more of the thread...what on earth is wrong with waving your country's flag
When the hell did people become so sensitive and snowflakey??
I'm proud to be British and in my book there is absolutely NOTHING wrong with waving a flag to show this...I mean, come on now.
I'll take it this was directed at me since I brought it up.
Like I said, nothing wrong in being proud of your country, waving your flag, being patriotic and all that. But you either missed my point or chose to ignore it on purpose.
It's not about being passionless, snowflakey or getting triggered or being antogonised by it. Quite the opposite I'd say.
I've been in this exact discussion here before. Not really in the mood to repeat myself. But imo you missed the point in this one.
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Sorry. Couldn't give you a shield for that
edit: I voted to leave btw. Shows how much you read others' posts through those hate-visors
Yes you did vote to leave and I can see other POV, perhaps surprisingly.
However, I still believe that there was nothing at all unduly disrespecting any other EU nation in what Farage did. He made it clear his issue is, and always has been, with the EU.
The fact that people are conflating the EU for Europe goes to show that the EU has transcended too far into politics, far removed from the purely economic model it once was.
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It wasn't about you. I was making a general observation.
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As a overly sensitive snowflake and a leftist, I naturally assumed it was.
Well for starters, the second post of mine you quoted was aimed more at the EU parliament that tried to silence Farage and dictate to him that he couldn't wave a flag. All this whilst Verhofstadt had an EU flag next to him
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We Europeans are over Brexit now. We have a new friend.
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Just checking in. Everybody alright after Flag-gate?
Actual footage of you ?
about the right age lol
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An interesting and balanced article here, well worth a read.
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While Brexit is undoubtedly radical, the immediate consequences are unlikely to be so. The likelihood, according to those who spoke with me, is that there will be a slow drag on British growth, which may or may not be compensated by subsequent domestic reforms and new international trade agreements. (This will not be the case if Britain and the EU fail to agree to terms on a trade deal, most noted.) “It’s a slow puncture more than a car crash,” Willetts said. Ferguson broadly agreed: “No one should delude themselves that this will be easy,” he said. “But the cost will not be violent disruption. It will be a loss of growth relative to a putative path if Britain had been in. Ordinary people will not care or notice.”
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While Brexit is undoubtedly radical, the immediate consequences are unlikely to be so. The likelihood, according to those who spoke with me, is that there will be a slow drag on British growth, which may or may not be compensated by subsequent domestic reforms and new international trade agreements. (This will not be the case if Britain and the EU fail to agree to terms on a trade deal, most noted.) “It’s a slow puncture more than a car crash,” Willetts said. Ferguson broadly agreed: “No one should delude themselves that this will be easy,” he said. “But the cost will not be violent disruption. It will be a loss of growth relative to a putative path if Britain had been in. Ordinary people will not care or notice.”
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Well for starters, the second post of mine you quoted was aimed more at the EU parliament that tried to silence Farage and dictate to him that he couldn't wave a flag. All this whilst Verhofstadt had an EU flag next to him
Yes, but you forget that in the E-USSR there is only ONE flag, nationhood is irrelevant. Kind of like when all the old Soviet republics like Georgia and Estonia etc. used the hammer and sickle flag. So impudent people who still remember their traditional flags are really a darned inconvenience and must be silenced. The E-USSR brainwashing relies on continual propaganda to change the mindset of their stooges to one of total subservience.
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Sorry Dazza, but that must be the most moronic post I have ever read here on CM.
And thanks to this thread, it's up against some pretty stiff competition!
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Sorry Dazza, but that must be the most moronic post I have ever read here on CM.
Harry maybe in Europe it's different, there isn't the same level of media brainwashing going on because basically everyone has already pretty much signed up fully to the concept, they have the currency and shared borders etc...that's the two biggest obstacles to there being a united states of europe covered.
But in the UK there has always been a lot of attempted brainwashing going on via the media because amongst millions of the public there is a large intrinsic resistance, a gut feeling the EU is bad news, shadowy and sinister.
As a nation over the years we had become more and more passengers to whatever direction the EU wanted to go in, the power of our say in matters at the ballot box was being gradually diminished, that's how it felt to me.
We have more sovereignty now, the only way the EU could punish us for this act of defiance would entail restricting access to the european market, but this in turn would damage their own precarious economies through restrictions to ours.
As sir Nige explained yesterday we're still big enough economically to exert our independence and not be bullied by the EU, unlike Ireland which was forced to keep voting on the same issue until they came into line [lisbon treaty ?]
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You do realise that for this to happen we're essentially going to have go down the route of near-total regulatory alignment, in which case we may as still be in the EU, since we'll be following all their rules but having no say in them?
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The MEP's are largely the sheep they are not the herder, [apart from folk like verhofstadt who wield more power and influence] I'm sure many are decent, nice people but they do not control the EU, they're there to present a facade of democracy.
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Sorry mate, still the most moronic post.
A citizen of one of the worst ex-colonial powers who did much worse things than brainwashing to come here and keep talking about an E-USSR and calling some 500 million people "stooges" is rather rich.
You got your "freedom" now, so enjoy it. Be happy you finally found that giant door. There is no need for such comments.
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well that's to be decided and negotiated, I doubt they'll be an agreement whereby new EU laws and regs have to be passed and copied by our law makers.
It looks like we may have unaligned on the new copyright law about to come in, but then again we may end up doing something similar through our parliament? But if the public don't like that law we can vote accordingly and have a say at the ballot box, as long as politicians are representative.
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Maybe Dunover was meaning the politicians, journalists etc.. rather than the citizens?
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Nah mate, I suggest you read the post again.... maybe a tad slower and then point out to me the passages where you think it refers to "politicians, journalists, etc."
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If we want easy and frictionless access to the EU market we're going to have to align across the board on standards, regulations, and so on. If we don't do that, then we become another 'third country' with all of the extra paperwork, customs checks, delays and extra costs that entails. (Did you read that piece I linked to the other day about Rules Of Origin? Yeah I know it's really boring, but it's also going to become really important.)
All of this stuff has been clear right from the start and it hasn't changed now.
You only need to read the document the EU have already released about their negotiating aims and position to see how this one is going to pan out.
It's got nothing to do with the EU 'punishing' us, and far more to do with tiresome British exceptionalism (i.e. the rules don't apply to us because Union Jack) and a near wilful ignorance on the part of many of our politicians.
All that said they'll probably come up with some sort of fudge so that Johnson can save face and sell some kind of deal (as he is quite good at that sort of chicanery), that still gives the EU the vast majority of what they want.
Then again the noises coming out of the UK government are pretty hardline, in which case brace for sustained economic decline.
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A definition of stooge I see come up on google
"a person who is forced or paid by someone in authority to do an unpleasant or secret job for them: The newly appointed mayor is widely regarded as a government stooge. " [cambridge dictionary]
"a person who is forced or paid by someone in authority to do an unpleasant or secret job for them: The newly appointed mayor is widely regarded as a government stooge. " [cambridge dictionary]
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Nah mate, I suggest you read the post again.... maybe a tad slower and then point out to me the passages where you think it refers to "politicians, journalists, etc."
I know it's stating the obvious Harry, but dunover doesn't speak for all Brits when he uses language like that to describe our friends and neighbours in the EU, or steveh suggesting that Farage's adolescent flag-waving demonstrated his 'superiority'.
Many, many British people are truly aghast and deeply sorrowful for some of the utter shit that's been thrown the way of Europe over the last few years.
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Don't be so hard on yourself I am sure you've made one decent post, comment, sentence err maybe word in this thread...somewhere
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The EU made a fairly big allowance to us and the swedes to keep our own currencies, so I'm sure some special compromise deal will be agreed so both sides save face. Boris has got the bluff confidence to negotiate better and harder than May, by nature he is a bit of a rebel I believe, and Mr cummings is also someone willing to think outside of the box, I doubt Eu/civil service hogwash or needless fear mongering will get past him.
The EU don't need anything from us now, their aims and goals of political union, with the uk as a core member, cannot be achieved. They'll have to do it without us.
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That's a pretty big gamble to be taking at this stage of the proceedings.
One thing's for sure, we're going to find out.....
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A big allowance... oh how grateful of them to allow a sovereign nation and it's people keep their own money let's get on the floor and pray to the great EU for allowing us to do as we like.
So the EU never tells us what to do but gives us a big allowance.
Thank goodness we are out tomorrow.
Please Mr EU president can we keep our money we like those lovely silver and gold ones please Mr Eu president pleeeeeassse.
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I think you're misunderstanding the word, concession may have been a better description. For the EU a single currency was central to their plans, but we were still able to be a member without it, due to the importance to them of having us on board.
So now due to the importance of continued free trade I believe they will make further concessions re alignment and customs unions etc...we will also make concessions somewhere.
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That is not what I asked mate! I very well know what stooge means and in what context it can be used.
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That is not what I asked mate! I very well know what stooge means and in what context it can be used.
I cannot see how it can mean 500 million citizens then, maybe acolytes ? would that cause the same offence as stooges?
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I'll give you one more time to read the post...... it mentions "people", not journalists, not politicians, nothing else that would indicate even remotely that he is not referring to the 500 million EU citizens.
TBH, I don't really care. I made the best out of all the opportunities an open EU offers and no comment, no matter how atrocious, will change my real life experiences or opinion.
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I'll give you one more time to read the post...... it mentions "people", not journalists, not politicians, nothing else that would indicate even remotely that he is not referring to the 500 million EU citizens.
TBH, I don't really care. I made the best out of all the opportunities an open EU offers and no comment, no matter how atrocious, will change my real life experiences or opinion.
No I respect that Harry, it worked for some people, opened up careers and professional development/opportunities. I'd like to think those things can still happen for people but I guess it could be more tricky and not as smooth.
My understanding of sentences and words is sometimes not the best, but I genuinely didn't get that meaning from the post, I think acolytes fits better for me than citizens in my interpretation.
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Found this on reuters, from 11 years ago:
Czech president attacks acolytes of EU integration
BRUSSELS, Feb 19 (Reuters) - Czech President Vaclav Klaus likened supporters of greater European Union integration to communists of the Soviet era on Thursday.
The Czech Republic holds the EU’s rotating presidency but this did not stop Klaus telling EU lawmakers unused to eurosceptic speeches that their parliament intervened too much in people’s lives.
A treaty meant to streamline the bloc’s creaking institutions would only make things worse, he said.
Klaus said he rejected the “uncriticisable assumption that there is only one possible and correct future of ... deeper and deeper integration”.
“Not so long ago in our part of Europe we lived in a political system that allowed no alternative and therefore no parliamentary opposition,” Klaus said, referring to the communist regimes that fell in 1989.
“Here (in the European Parliament) there is only one single alternative, and those who dare think about a different option are labelled as enemies of European integration,” Klaus said.
Klaus said that although he believed there was no alternative to EU membership for the Czechs, EU integration could take many different forms.
Czech president attacks acolytes of EU integration
BRUSSELS, Feb 19 (Reuters) - Czech President Vaclav Klaus likened supporters of greater European Union integration to communists of the Soviet era on Thursday.
The Czech Republic holds the EU’s rotating presidency but this did not stop Klaus telling EU lawmakers unused to eurosceptic speeches that their parliament intervened too much in people’s lives.
A treaty meant to streamline the bloc’s creaking institutions would only make things worse, he said.
Klaus said he rejected the “uncriticisable assumption that there is only one possible and correct future of ... deeper and deeper integration”.
“Not so long ago in our part of Europe we lived in a political system that allowed no alternative and therefore no parliamentary opposition,” Klaus said, referring to the communist regimes that fell in 1989.
“Here (in the European Parliament) there is only one single alternative, and those who dare think about a different option are labelled as enemies of European integration,” Klaus said.
Klaus said that although he believed there was no alternative to EU membership for the Czechs, EU integration could take many different forms.
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This thread is like an angry version of the North Korea one.
I love them both equally.
I love them both equally.
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I have respect for Vaclav Klaus, however, just like many others from the former Eastern bloc that joined the EU, they never complained when they collected their "welcome handouts" worth billions of Euros. They raise their voices most when it comes to their obligations.
Poland is similar, trumpeting that they meet the 2% NATO target for defence but not admitting that some 50% of their military budget is coming straight from the EU.
Still, each country can veto any action taken by the EU, so in the end, there will be always a compromise. That's the most basic part of being in a community.
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Kroffe do you know why sweden has kept the Krona and not adopted the Euro?
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The EU leaders' pick to be the next European Commission president has said she wants to end countries' veto on foreign policy.
The move, proposed by Ursula von der Leyen in a speech on Tuesday, would see EU positions on external affairs decided by a qualified majority vote instead of unanimously.
She argued that the change was needed so the EU could act fast on the world stage instead of taking time to find a consensus.
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EU announces plan to scrap member state veto on tax policy
The European Commission has proposed scrapping member states’ veto on tax policy, in a move that could see levies imposed on
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countries against their will.Brussels says the requirement of unanimity for tax policy is out-dated and that moving to a system of qualified majority voting would help speed up the legislative process.
The bloc has struggled to agree ambitious policies such as a tax on US tech giants because of opposition from low-tax countries such as Luxembourg and Ireland.
The idea was immediately rejected the Irish government, with a spokesperson saying it “does not support any change being made to how tax issues are agreed at EU level”.
Launching the policy in Strasbourg on Tuesday, European Commission president Jean-Claude Juncker said he was “strongly in favour of moving to qualified majority voting and a stronger voice for the European Parliament on the common future of taxation in our Union”.
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This is the direction they want to go in, with more power centralised. Maybe the small nations can stop it but I doubt it.
