Brexit - whats the difference.....
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Lol your quoting James O'Brien haha the man who keeps Prozac in business, the most miserable, boring piece of sh*te on British radio. I bet Chopley has him playing in the background now on his knees worshipping the ground O'Brien walks on.
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So I take it your not much of a fan of Brexit then?
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I can take it or leave it.
Well, mainly take it, now.
Well, mainly take it, now.
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Why does it cost half a million to have the bell "bong"?
Ill do it for £10k+lawyer fees.
Ill do it for £10k+lawyer fees.
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It's because it's currently being repaired so they'd have to do a load of work to get it fit for bonging on one night, and then take it back all apart again to carry on repairing it.
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I'm not much interested in your peccadillo's
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Can they not simply install speakers and blast it out?
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As a leave voter I can't say big ben ringing to signify brexit is getting me excited, a big bonfire of EU paperwork would please me more.
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So that's 8p for each UK citizen. Bargain. Well worth it. 
Crikey it's hardly like he's spending taxpayers' money, unlike that treacherous leech Bercow with his trips and piss-ups etc. that ran into the hundreds of K over the years.
@ChopleyIOM isn't donating then?
Crikey it's hardly like he's spending taxpayers' money, unlike that treacherous leech Bercow with his trips and piss-ups etc. that ran into the hundreds of K over the years.
@ChopleyIOM isn't donating then?
It's less a Brexit Bong and more a death-knell reminder at how incompetently we've handled the whole shambles, and a tribute to those that have lost their minds 
It should really bong for the next 15 years, up until we've set up some viable trade deals
It should really bong for the next 15 years, up until we've set up some viable trade deals
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At first I thought this was a parody or a hoax, but it turns out it's real.
A Brexit Party MEP at the European Parliament's Fisheries Committee, wondering who will represent the UK's interests once we leave the EU.
I don't think she really thought this one through.
A Brexit Party MEP at the European Parliament's Fisheries Committee, wondering who will represent the UK's interests once we leave the EU.
I don't think she really thought this one through.
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Forever to be known as June Dummery I would assume, yes let's give the remainers something to laugh at this morning because in 10 days you won't be laughing 
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Brexit starts in ten days. Yes we're out of the EU and in transition, but the bit up to now has allegedly been the 'easy' bit.
There are three main ways it can go:
1) Boris basically capitulates to the EU on everything to get his 'deal' done by the end of the year, so we'll end up with BRINO (Brexit In Name Only).
2) Other extreme, he refuses to compromise at all and we get a crash out 'No Deal' type event at the end of the year, I suspect he'll baulk at this prospect the same as May did.
3) Somewhere inbetween, which will lead to a period of managed decline.
(Although even Option 1 will be damaging, on top of the damage that has already been done.)
Thus the conflict between economic realism and political exigency continues to be unresolved and resolution is unlikely to occur via a single decision taken at a single moment. Rather, we can expect an ongoing process of tacking this way and that as the negotiations with the EU progress and the internal fights of the Tory Party continue. The consequence is that neither economic realism nor political exigency will definitively win out. Instead, so many concessions will be made to the Ultras as to ensure considerable economic damage, whilst so many concessions will be demanded of them that they will always regard Brexit as having been betrayed.
Thus, as has been clear for a long time, we will end up a country made much poorer in order to please the Brexiters whilst having to endure their perpetual displeasure with what has been done. It is as perfect a lose-lose scenario as can be envisaged, and the Bloomberg report has put a figure on just the first instalment of just the economic aspect of that loss. There is much, much more to come.
There are three main ways it can go:
1) Boris basically capitulates to the EU on everything to get his 'deal' done by the end of the year, so we'll end up with BRINO (Brexit In Name Only).
2) Other extreme, he refuses to compromise at all and we get a crash out 'No Deal' type event at the end of the year, I suspect he'll baulk at this prospect the same as May did.
3) Somewhere inbetween, which will lead to a period of managed decline.
(Although even Option 1 will be damaging, on top of the damage that has already been done.)
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Thus the conflict between economic realism and political exigency continues to be unresolved and resolution is unlikely to occur via a single decision taken at a single moment. Rather, we can expect an ongoing process of tacking this way and that as the negotiations with the EU progress and the internal fights of the Tory Party continue. The consequence is that neither economic realism nor political exigency will definitively win out. Instead, so many concessions will be made to the Ultras as to ensure considerable economic damage, whilst so many concessions will be demanded of them that they will always regard Brexit as having been betrayed.
Thus, as has been clear for a long time, we will end up a country made much poorer in order to please the Brexiters whilst having to endure their perpetual displeasure with what has been done. It is as perfect a lose-lose scenario as can be envisaged, and the Bloomberg report has put a figure on just the first instalment of just the economic aspect of that loss. There is much, much more to come.
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From the Guido fawkes website:
The IMF has predicted that the UK economy will outpace the Eurozone in its new forecasts released yesterday. The forecasts, stretching two years in the future, show the UK’s growth will accelerate in both 2020 and 2021. Despite Brexit…
Only the US and Canada are set to grow faster out of the world’s major advanced economies. Brexit Britain is set to grow faster than Eurozone poster-states France and Germany, in fact the IMF is forecasting that 3 fastest growing countries in the G7 will all be outside the EU……
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And bits and pieces I've read recently suggest some of the EU countries are worried that the UK will prosper outside of their regulation:
"The German Chancellor warned of the threat an independent UK posed to the EU. “With the departure of Great Britain, a potential competitor will of course emerge for us. In addition to China and the United States of America, there will be Great Britain as well.”
The Government has decided to abandon several key tenets of Theresa May’s Withdrawal Agreement insofar as they apply to Great Britain; a UK-wide customs union, pledges of regulatory alignment and “level playing field provisions” – agreed rules on environmental standards, labour regulations and state aid. These would have forced the British mainland to accede to scores of EU rules, determined by Brussels (often in the interests of those most capable of lobbying Brussels, not consumers). [telegraph paper]
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The noises coming out of the EU do seem to suggest they have more respect for boris's govt than they had for May's, and our bargaining position does look stronger with the new conservative majority in parliament.
Also Dominic Cummings is still in situ which means Boris isn't just listening to the same old remainer advisers in the civil service, who would prefer to keep us closely aligned to the EU
express.co.uk/news/politics/1229996/dominic-cummings-brexit-civil-service-reform-latest
"Cummings launches blistering attack on meddling civil service hellbent on thwarting Brexit"
(saturday jan 18)
DOMINIC CUMMINGS launched a blistering attack on senior civil servants for allegedly plotting to keep the UK closely tied to Brussels after Brexit. At a meeting for ministerial advisers in Downing Street, Boris Johnson’s strategy chief accused some mandarins of failing to grasp the Government’s vision of a clean break from the EU.
“It is clear from the discussions that certain members of his team have been having that not every part of Government has fully absorbed that vision of our future relationship with the EU,” Mr Cummings said.
The strategy chief said civil servants had to accept that the UK’s transition out of EU regulations, due to end on December 31, will not be extended.
The Government would push for “a normal, third-country relationship-based, if possible, on a Canada-style free trade agreement”, he said.
He also insisted the UK will leave the EU’s Single Market and Customs Union and would not align with Brussels regulations after Brexit.
The IMF has predicted that the UK economy will outpace the Eurozone in its new forecasts released yesterday. The forecasts, stretching two years in the future, show the UK’s growth will accelerate in both 2020 and 2021. Despite Brexit…
Only the US and Canada are set to grow faster out of the world’s major advanced economies. Brexit Britain is set to grow faster than Eurozone poster-states France and Germany, in fact the IMF is forecasting that 3 fastest growing countries in the G7 will all be outside the EU……
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And bits and pieces I've read recently suggest some of the EU countries are worried that the UK will prosper outside of their regulation:
"The German Chancellor warned of the threat an independent UK posed to the EU. “With the departure of Great Britain, a potential competitor will of course emerge for us. In addition to China and the United States of America, there will be Great Britain as well.”
The Government has decided to abandon several key tenets of Theresa May’s Withdrawal Agreement insofar as they apply to Great Britain; a UK-wide customs union, pledges of regulatory alignment and “level playing field provisions” – agreed rules on environmental standards, labour regulations and state aid. These would have forced the British mainland to accede to scores of EU rules, determined by Brussels (often in the interests of those most capable of lobbying Brussels, not consumers). [telegraph paper]
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The noises coming out of the EU do seem to suggest they have more respect for boris's govt than they had for May's, and our bargaining position does look stronger with the new conservative majority in parliament.
Also Dominic Cummings is still in situ which means Boris isn't just listening to the same old remainer advisers in the civil service, who would prefer to keep us closely aligned to the EU
express.co.uk/news/politics/1229996/dominic-cummings-brexit-civil-service-reform-latest
"Cummings launches blistering attack on meddling civil service hellbent on thwarting Brexit"
(saturday jan 18)
DOMINIC CUMMINGS launched a blistering attack on senior civil servants for allegedly plotting to keep the UK closely tied to Brussels after Brexit. At a meeting for ministerial advisers in Downing Street, Boris Johnson’s strategy chief accused some mandarins of failing to grasp the Government’s vision of a clean break from the EU.
“It is clear from the discussions that certain members of his team have been having that not every part of Government has fully absorbed that vision of our future relationship with the EU,” Mr Cummings said.
The strategy chief said civil servants had to accept that the UK’s transition out of EU regulations, due to end on December 31, will not be extended.
The Government would push for “a normal, third-country relationship-based, if possible, on a Canada-style free trade agreement”, he said.
He also insisted the UK will leave the EU’s Single Market and Customs Union and would not align with Brussels regulations after Brexit.
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Well one thing's for sure, we're going to find out over the next few years, and there'll be no 'moaning Remainers' to blame for anything that happens.
And remember, stuff that's very beneficial for the already wealthy, is far less so for most of the population....
And remember, stuff that's very beneficial for the already wealthy, is far less so for most of the population....
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That is quite true, was just reading this article from a belgian journalist who was pro remain but has now taken up uk citizenship despite brexit
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The paradox of Brexit is that the defeated — the Remainers — ultimately stand to win the most.
The educated, cosmopolitan professional classes of London and southeast England — most of who voted to stay — will be at the forefront of tomorrow’s economy, which will essentially be a knowledge economy based on the country’s universities, media prowess, soft power and culture.
The working classes who voted to leave the EU, meanwhile, stand to become Brexit’s biggest losers. But the shock will be mitigated by increased foreign industrial investment in the north, Midlands or Wales. Outside of the EU, the U.K. will still be attractive economically.
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I don't know how much that is true and rather forgets the power of the ballot box bearing in mind the working class make up the majority voter and state aid to help industry could also be possible in the future.
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SNP in another attempt to stop Brexit 
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As much as you might want Kroffe's lifestyle it isn't gonna happen.Maybe they'll achieve their aim, and the whole thing gets scrapped
Then again I might wake up on a yacht in the Carribbean, with a slew of supermodels bringing me champagne
Shh do you mind, I'm trying to listen to Lisa Nandy give her speech
Which is actually not too bad all things considered. She says some sense, even if a tad idealistic and a bit soccer mom. Not sure she has the gumption for dog-eat-dog politics.
Anything has to be better than that Rebeccah Long-Bailey. First, hyphenated surname. Instant dislike.
That, and the fact that even my TV takes on sentience and changes channels whenever that shrew opens her mouth
Which is actually not too bad all things considered. She says some sense, even if a tad idealistic and a bit soccer mom. Not sure she has the gumption for dog-eat-dog politics.
Anything has to be better than that Rebeccah Long-Bailey. First, hyphenated surname. Instant dislike.
That, and the fact that even my TV takes on sentience and changes channels whenever that shrew opens her mouth
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I quite like Lisa Nandy.
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Jess Phillips the woman who stood in parliament during the Brexit debate and said in a Brummie accent "I am not cracking on the protocols of parliament". "I don't understand parliamentary procedures"
This is a woman who thinks she could be prime minister and meet world leaders discuss complex policies on Iran and Russia etc and she says I am not cracking on the protocols of parliament".
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BREXIT - We're out on January 31st, we've escaped!
REALITY -
Yeah this stuff is boring, (the author of the piece 100% acknowledges the fact), but it's absolutely going to happen, it can't be avoided.
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Just on the off chance that I fell asleep through any of that, can you give me a quick executive summary.
Sure. Johnson has set himself an arbitrary one-year deadline for a trade talk with the EU. The consequence of this is that the deal is bare bones, excluding services or - probably, if they're not lying - alignment on goods. Unless he changes course, this will be highly damaging to UK industry, especially those based in the Midlands and the North. He also wants control of fisheries. The EU want fisheries to stay as they were and a set of level playing field provisions to stop the UK undercutting them in future. They will try to secure these outcomes by keeping all the issues in play at the same time, so they can leverage them against each other. Whatever happens, the UK must deal with rules of origin requirements, which are extremely painful and will have potentially ruinous results between Britain and Northern Ireland.
Can you make it shorter than that?
The government either does not know what it is doing or is not prepared to reveal what it is doing. We are heading towards a truly disastrous set of outcomes unless that changes.
Thank you. And also please never talk to me again.
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Yeah this stuff is boring, (the author of the piece 100% acknowledges the fact), but it's absolutely going to happen, it can't be avoided.
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Just on the off chance that I fell asleep through any of that, can you give me a quick executive summary.
Sure. Johnson has set himself an arbitrary one-year deadline for a trade talk with the EU. The consequence of this is that the deal is bare bones, excluding services or - probably, if they're not lying - alignment on goods. Unless he changes course, this will be highly damaging to UK industry, especially those based in the Midlands and the North. He also wants control of fisheries. The EU want fisheries to stay as they were and a set of level playing field provisions to stop the UK undercutting them in future. They will try to secure these outcomes by keeping all the issues in play at the same time, so they can leverage them against each other. Whatever happens, the UK must deal with rules of origin requirements, which are extremely painful and will have potentially ruinous results between Britain and Northern Ireland.
Can you make it shorter than that?
The government either does not know what it is doing or is not prepared to reveal what it is doing. We are heading towards a truly disastrous set of outcomes unless that changes.
Thank you. And also please never talk to me again.
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Your side lost. Still not over it? I see the prophets of doom are out in force with their tedious little editorials and antisocial media posts. Because that's all they can do now.
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Well we could just have a look at a recent post from me. Seems like I've fully accepted the situation.
It's calling facing the reality of what happens next, because the 1st February doesn't represent the start of some new grand new golden age for the UK, it represents the continuation of the decline that has already begun.
The article I linked to gives some of the details of what that process will look like.
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And the thing is, we are going to find out over the next year, and the years after that, just how 'good' (or not) Brexit is for the UK. The Tories have a massive majority, a 'true believer' cabinet, they can get anything they want through the Commons, and we've been told it's going to be unicorns for everyone.
They're going to totally own this now, no excuses, no places to hide.
Let's see where it ends up going.
(Seriously, take some time out of your day to read the piece I linked to, it's fascinating and terrifying in equal measures.)
They're going to totally own this now, no excuses, no places to hide.
Let's see where it ends up going.
(Seriously, take some time out of your day to read the piece I linked to, it's fascinating and terrifying in equal measures.)
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Is it possible to say which part was the most fascinating and which was terrifying?
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From guido fawkes (again)
German MEP Bernd Lange is Chair of the European Parliament’s Trade Committee. If his sentiment this morning is reflected in the Commission, the UK-EU FTA negotiations could be a lot more cordial than the Brexit ones of the last few years ever were.
Speaking on the Today Programme this morning, Lange said that “it is possible to have a trade deal done in this year”, striking a very different tone from a more salty Ursula von der Leyen last month.
Lange accepted that it’s “clearly not possible” for the UK to be subject to ECJ arbitration in the future relationship, saying there will be a “state to state dispute mechanism”, and rounded off by saying UK-EU relations will perhaps be even better after Brexit. As Brexiteers have been saying for years, the UK can now stop being a bad tenant and become a good neighbour…
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I also think in a way Brexit will have done the european people/eu citizens a favour, the EU is now going to have to be more careful about the way it carries on, as though it is above the individual nations, when it isn't a nation itself and has democratic deficiencies in its actions and processes.
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Pretty much the whole thing TBH, if you can read that and not think the UK is in a dreadful position, and completely unprepared to boot, then we're clearly reading this situation in very different ways!
Anyway, like I said mack, one thing is for sure, we're going to find out.....
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Article 13: UK will not implement EU copyright law
Interesting, not sure I'm pleased or not given google were fighting it, they own youtube so it might've been that angle that google didn't like.
my sense is it was going to make it harder to share news links and articles on forums like this, but I don't know if that was true, also gifs and memes as they sometimes use movie or tv images
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Interesting, not sure I'm pleased or not given google were fighting it, they own youtube so it might've been that angle that google didn't like.
my sense is it was going to make it harder to share news links and articles on forums like this, but I don't know if that was true, also gifs and memes as they sometimes use movie or tv images
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"While all eyes were on Westminster , and on the inability of MPs to pass even a poop, the European parliament got on with its job and passed some new legislation. Soon, most of us might be wishing that it hadn’t.
The directive on copyright in the digital single market is a bland name for a dreadful piece of law likely to reshape our use of the internet. “The transformation of the internet from an open platform for sharing and innovation into a tool for the automated surveillance and control of its users,” was how Tim Berners-Lee, the inventor of the worldwide web, and 70 other technology pioneers described it in a letter to the president of the European parliament last year. And they’re right"
[guardian 2019]
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But the EU Copyright Directive – which was passed by European Parliament this week with the support of 348 MEPs – is in many ways not an issue of copyright law at all.
The legal right to protect one’s work is being used as a guise to bring in taxes by stealth and burden online platforms with near impossible standards of conduct.
The two most controversial points in the law – Article 11 and Article 13 – are almost certain to stifle digital activity, and interfere with the free way that people currently use online platforms.
The directive on copyright in the digital single market is a bland name for a dreadful piece of law likely to reshape our use of the internet. “The transformation of the internet from an open platform for sharing and innovation into a tool for the automated surveillance and control of its users,” was how Tim Berners-Lee, the inventor of the worldwide web, and 70 other technology pioneers described it in a letter to the president of the European parliament last year. And they’re right"
[guardian 2019]
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city a.m. article
But the EU Copyright Directive – which was passed by European Parliament this week with the support of 348 MEPs – is in many ways not an issue of copyright law at all.
The legal right to protect one’s work is being used as a guise to bring in taxes by stealth and burden online platforms with near impossible standards of conduct.
The two most controversial points in the law – Article 11 and Article 13 – are almost certain to stifle digital activity, and interfere with the free way that people currently use online platforms.
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It does seem confusing, I was hoping my post my provoke a few tech nerds to explain the ins and outs.
But it does feel more democratic already to be deciding to do things differently, and not go with the homogenised EU vision and rules.
But it does feel more democratic already to be deciding to do things differently, and not go with the homogenised EU vision and rules.
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Hey! We get a new 50p coin, will save one when I get one in my change!
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As Chopley lives in a surreal world where reality is not the norm this should suit him perfectly, he can live in the Brexit world he craves while the rest of us live in reality of a wonderful free post brexit/EU world.
Loosely tied in to Brexit but not really, here's a prominent front-runner for the upcoming London Mayor elections.
I present to you:
"Drillminister"
As we all know Boris held the position himself for a while, so who knows how far this kid can go.
World's his oyster
I present to you:
"Drillminister"
As we all know Boris held the position himself for a while, so who knows how far this kid can go.
World's his oyster
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Diane Abbott you are fooling no one with that mask.
Talking of Brexit i-tunes top 2 at the moment are the following
| Pos | Artist and Title | 2.9 | 5.7 | 8.3 | 11.2 | 14.8 | |
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| 1 | André Rieu & Johann Strauss Orchestra - Ode to Joy (Final Movement from Symphony No.9, Op.125 / Live) | 1.0000 | 1.0000 | 1.0000 | 1.0000 | 1.0000 | |
| 2 | Dominic Frisby - 17 Million F**k-Offs (2020 Update) | 0.6553 | 0.5919 | 0.4642 | 0.4646 | 0.5264 |
1 Is the official anthem of the EU and is part of a campaign by remainers to get the song into the top 40 on Friday to show the EU we love them,
2 Well go to Youtube to see what that is.
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no max bygraves wont even bother lookin
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This sums it up very nicely.
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Yes, that's full of concrete statistics that tweet...
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Anyone going to the Saturday night Brexit parties/celebrations?
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I'm coming to London next week for ICE and the Meister Meet.
Is anything really changing for us "normal" people before Dec 31st when the transition period is over?
