Brexit - whats the difference.....
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Anyone following the Huawei story? Basically the UK want to deal with Huawei because 'BUSINESS' and 'TRADE DEALS' for our 5G network, whereas the US think they're dangerous Commies and if we do business with Huawei we risk upsetting our relationship with the US.
In fairness other EU countries are under similar pressures, but they're not about to voluntarily remove themselves from the single largest and most powerful trading bloc in the world.
As someone summarised it this morning:
In fairness other EU countries are under similar pressures, but they're not about to voluntarily remove themselves from the single largest and most powerful trading bloc in the world.
As someone summarised it this morning:
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I think this opposition to Huawei from the US [or parts of the US administration] is also linked to that lady from huawei, Meng Wanzhou, being extradited to the US from canada.
The EU is a pompous dictatorship that likes issuing hundreds of rules, and they would rather shoot themselves in the foot than come to a reasonable and mutually beneficial deal with the UK. Although that is only half the issue, the other half is the PM who is negotiating brexit is a remainer...
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Agreed. Whilst I don’t work in Tech so don’t have the usual amoral approach to business/life in general, let’s not forget that China IS a dictatorship with a questionable human rights policy and authoritarian regime - anyone seen their “social credits” system being rolled out across the country?
5G is a massive step up in terms of communication and will be replacing the majority of even landbased communcation methods due to its speed. I wouldn't want what is an expansionist, communist dictatorship nation to be privy to that sort deal, the risks outweigh the benefits massively from a national security point of view.
So yes, the US is right to question their involvement and the UK shouldn’t be entertaining it at all, which is why when the story was leaked it was such big news.
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yes the social credits system is very sinister, and I'm not 100% sure but I believe the big tech companies like facebook are involved??
I wonder will the 5G technology endanger birds etc in the uk if it's that powerful ?
Agree. But I would replace "EU" with "a bunch of bureaucrats the we let control it".
Problem is we need their money and we need them to keep doing the invesments they do.
Its "boring" economic talk but it's true.
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I don’t think its a question of ecomics more a question of morality and national security. Depends where you sit on the fence on both.
People need food and jobs. If they don't have it they forget morality.
I am only saying that we should a) realize that we depend on China and b) do something so that we don't.
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Well thats one view on it, i’m not sure they do actually. Hence the general disgust at the arms industry from the general UK population for example, despite bringing in billions of revenue.
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Personally fed up with Brexit,nearly 3 years since they asked the people if we want to stay or go,
Only happened as they thought it was a forgone conclusion,then Cameron pisses off when it went
pear shaped.Enter May, lets throw away our majority by having a totally un needed election which
ensured brexit would be almost impossible but we will go through the motions.Promise many
times that we WILL leave at the end of march.March comes and goes, May goes cap in hand
begging for more time, EU says fine, no problem.Westminster promptly pisses off for easter hols.
News was that we may have participate in EU elections, last week i get postal vote for them showing
that the intention to participate has already been decieded.
If all this shit had happenned a few hundred years, heads would have rolled, literally and would have almost
certainly caused a civil war.
I was suprized we were ever given the chance to deciede our future, delighted when we voted out,
but disgusted at the antics ever since.
Only happened as they thought it was a forgone conclusion,then Cameron pisses off when it went
pear shaped.Enter May, lets throw away our majority by having a totally un needed election which
ensured brexit would be almost impossible but we will go through the motions.Promise many
times that we WILL leave at the end of march.March comes and goes, May goes cap in hand
begging for more time, EU says fine, no problem.Westminster promptly pisses off for easter hols.
News was that we may have participate in EU elections, last week i get postal vote for them showing
that the intention to participate has already been decieded.
If all this shit had happenned a few hundred years, heads would have rolled, literally and would have almost
certainly caused a civil war.
I was suprized we were ever given the chance to deciede our future, delighted when we voted out,
but disgusted at the antics ever since.
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Yeah it makes a mockery of our so called 'democracy', and we still lecture other tin pot leaders and countries about how they should be democratic like us
How can we get rid of this blasted PM, have the conservative party members got no influence or say on the leadership of their party?
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Not specifically Brexit related but couldn't be bothered to start a new thread.
I just received a European election flyer from the Greens, now why are the environmentally friendly loons at the Green Party sending out mass leaflets if they care about the environment. I have handily tweeted them that I will be sending it back to them to recycle as I do not want their rubbish. I wonder how much fumes and paper they used to print all the nonsense that was on it?
I just received a European election flyer from the Greens, now why are the environmentally friendly loons at the Green Party sending out mass leaflets if they care about the environment. I have handily tweeted them that I will be sending it back to them to recycle as I do not want their rubbish. I wonder how much fumes and paper they used to print all the nonsense that was on it?
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The greens are a sinister bunch of extreme leftists, eco-fascists and bullies. I will never entertain ANY eco-crap and climate change doomsayers until just ONE of their factions admits the obvious truth and forgets political correctness by admitting the human population is too high to avoid disaster and avert or reverse anthropogenic global warming. People need to read Malthus. He spotted this coming 2 centuries ago.
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Farage doing a brilliant job of failing to answer every single question with anything other than bluster, deflection, and diversion. The man literally has no policies, he's the political equivalent of a crazy man shouting at the clouds.
"What will Brexit offer Merthyr?"
Cue Diversion
"What will Brexit offer Merthyr?"
Cue Distraction
"What will Brexit offer Merthyr?"
"Something else, in Wales, somewhere...."
I am genuinely mystified as to how anyone can't see this man for the spiv and charlatan he clearly is.
Link to video below.
"What will Brexit offer Merthyr?"
Cue Diversion
"What will Brexit offer Merthyr?"
Cue Distraction
"What will Brexit offer Merthyr?"
"Something else, in Wales, somewhere...."
I am genuinely mystified as to how anyone can't see this man for the spiv and charlatan he clearly is.
Link to video below.
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We got a flyer from these desperatons just the other day, except it wasn't about 'trending' things like global warming or why vegans are mental, but instead they harped on about Brexit and how they would pledge to have a 2nd Referendum etc (chortle)
It made for some excellent cat litter lining
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Got fed up listening to Brexit stuff .
So anyone like to keep me up to date . Have we left yet
So anyone like to keep me up to date . Have we left yet
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I take it you're not voting for the Brexit Party next week then? I will. The cretins in the main parties need reminding they have a democratic decision to uphold.
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looks like the establishment who rule over us are terrified of Nigel's brexit party doing well in this upcoming election, first there was the andrew marr attempted hatchet job and now this ambush by a bbc 'journalist'.
surely we can never go back to paying the EU 15 billion each year to be part of their crooked club?
surely we can never go back to paying the EU 15 billion each year to be part of their crooked club?
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Did you watch that BBC4 documentary last week, 2x 1-hour episodes where the EU Brexit negotiators were filmed for over 2 years?
Perhaps @ChopleyIOM should.
Despite the anti-Brexit bias you'd expect from the Blatantly Biased Corporation and trendy documentary makers, it did expose the overpaid tossers as the wine-swilling expenses-sucking gravy trainers they are, yet to accept that a country could want to leave their precious club of corruption.
If Farage wants to win this pointless election of UK Eurocraps next week, perhaps he should insist the remoaners watch it.
Perhaps @ChopleyIOM should.
Despite the anti-Brexit bias you'd expect from the Blatantly Biased Corporation and trendy documentary makers, it did expose the overpaid tossers as the wine-swilling expenses-sucking gravy trainers they are, yet to accept that a country could want to leave their precious club of corruption.
If Farage wants to win this pointless election of UK Eurocraps next week, perhaps he should insist the remoaners watch it.
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Democracy is dead in the UK and instead we have a fat cat dicktatorship. There is a global economic shift towards China amongst others and I think the US have tried to hit it with Huawei. Convenient the only secret to ever be leaked is business related and they didn't block the media from telling everyone the secret. Could have leaked something juicy, like were sending Bond to Brussels, to give us a sense of pride.
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Yes I did watch it, and that wasn't what I took away from it at all.
Also, are you seriously suggesting that Farage isn't a gravy-trainer? He's having £13K rent for him paid by Aaron Banks every month.....
Watch him once again, not answer any question at all when questioned on where all his bankroll comes from. (He gets paid £5K per month for his bodyguards whilst taking an MEP's salary. An actual UK MP got murdered in the street, she didn't have a shadowy millionaire to pay for bodyguards.)
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Do you honestly think any of these people even remotely have your best interests at heart, or indeed give so much as one single flying fuck about what happens to the UK overall, as long as they personally make bank out of it?
Farage would see every working class town he pretends to represent flushed down the fucking toilet if there was a dollar in it for him.
Farage would see every working class town he pretends to represent flushed down the fucking toilet if there was a dollar in it for him.
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I care not a hoot - as long as they deliver Brexit and keep the pressure on, they've done their job AFAIC.
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every working class town has already been flushed down the loo during the last 50 years, being a part of the EU and paying billions for the privilege doesn't help working class people otherwise they'd be flying high after the UK being a member for over 20 years, and the yellow vest protesters in france is evidence how well the EU is helping the working class in france...
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Do you honestly think Juncker and co give a damn about people either or what happens to the UK as long as they make a bank out of it?
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When we stop paying this money do you think you'll get a personal cheque with your share or something?
This country is screwed because of successive government failures, when (if) we leave the EU we're still going to be fucked and they will no longer be able to blame the EU, no doubt they will try though.
This country is screwed because of successive government failures, when (if) we leave the EU we're still going to be fucked and they will no longer be able to blame the EU, no doubt they will try though.
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And it's the same people from those govts who failed and the permanent govt [uk civil service] that are desperate for us to remain in the EU, they like broken britain as they engineered it in the first place, and wasting money by giving it away will ensure the problems never get fixed. I don't understand how people from the left, labour supporters, go along with giving the EU 15 billion while austerity cutbacks have been brought in on services for the vulnerable etc...
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*sips Peroni*
May still nervously talking shite, donning the kind of smirk that is asking for a headbutt? Check.
baised media still stirring the pot at every opportunity, trying to sow doubt by attacking a person most people dont give a shit about, while nothing of real importance, as usual, is touched upon. Check.
still in the EU after all this time, a foreseen situation by many that was never doubted from the start. Check.
with all the ruined beer that is brewed in the uk and now tastes like cat piss, is this beer possibly the best available in the supermarket?
f-------g check.
May still nervously talking shite, donning the kind of smirk that is asking for a headbutt? Check.
baised media still stirring the pot at every opportunity, trying to sow doubt by attacking a person most people dont give a shit about, while nothing of real importance, as usual, is touched upon. Check.
still in the EU after all this time, a foreseen situation by many that was never doubted from the start. Check.
with all the ruined beer that is brewed in the uk and now tastes like cat piss, is this beer possibly the best available in the supermarket?
f-------g check.
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But those cutbacks have been brought in by successive Conservative governments (in and out of coalition), there's nothing whatsoever in EU law to stop the UK government trying to end austerity by any means it sees fit.
You can remove all the money we 'give' to the EU from the equation completely, if the government is never going to spend any of it on the less well off folks in society anyway, what difference does it make?
Let's take one indicator for example - child poverty.
The last Labour government took tackling child poverty very seriously, and made impressive progress on reducing it across the whole UK, including in the poorest areas. They did all this whilst the UK was a member of the EU and 'giving' it a load of money and subject to all those pesky EU rules that no one can ever name a single one of if you ask them to.
Since the Tories took power and thanks to their austerity policies, child poverty has been on the rise since 2011, and it's getting worse. This is also whilst the UK is still a member of the EU.
Let's say the UK had left the EU on the original Brexit date, do you think the Tories would have suddenly found a few billion quid down the back of the sofa to give to the poor? Do you think being in or out of the EU makes any difference whatsoever to what policies the national UK government can set to attempt to tackle child poverty?
Labour made a very good job of it whilst the UK was a member of the EU.
Austerity is a conscious Tory decision, it's got bugger all to do with the EU. Leaving the EU will not end austerity. In fact it'll probably make it worse because the UK economy will shrink under any Leave scenario, and when that happens the poor are always the first to get screwed.
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Hang on the labour party were in power from 1997 to 2010, 3 parliaments, during that time I would say child poverty went up, I'm not talking statistics [the favourite tool of the lying politicians] but what you see with your own eyes.
crime also shot up too, they spent billions on oversees wars of agression and also never regulated the banks properly so we had the banking crisis with several banks going to the wall, northern rock etc.. incompetence was labour's middle name. Then they got kicked out, cameron came in, and made more cuts on that back of the financial crisis. Do you think if Labour had been doing such a fine job over those 13 years that people would've voted them out?
People/politicians on the left could have stood up and said 'I'm sorry mr EU we want to keep 10 billion back to support those in need here' did they bother, did they heck! being a member of the EU dictatorship club was more important to them.
I would have to look at it in detail but I believe many labour mp's voted for the austerity cuts proposed by osborne:
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"Welfare bill: These are the 184 Labour MPs who didn’t vote against the Tories' cuts....
"The cuts include child tax credits and the household benefit cap. Out of the four leadership candidates, Yvette Cooper, Andy Burnham, and Liz Kendall all abstained on the proposals. "
I implied in my post the 15 billion can go towards solving some of the problems, of course it's subject to having a govt elected, democratically by us, who wants to tackle the problems but giving the 15 billion of our tax money to the EU so they can spend/waste it all over europe is clearly not in our own country's interests, while at the same time overstretching our public services through the mass immigration of people from eastern europe.
If the EU are such nice, caring and co operative people they will propose a fair deal that benefits both sides, the EU and the UK, but when has a dictatorship ever acted reasonably and fairly, they don't give a stuff about the basic british person IMO just like too many of our mp's and leaders.
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Honestly mack I'm hard pushed to know where to start with that.
Please stop calling the EU a dictatorship, it is the literal exact opposite of a dictatorship and repeatedly calling it one won't make it the case. I've explained earlier in this thread, with evidence, to explain why the EU is not a dictatorship.
As for the rest of your post, you basically start with 'I am going to ignore the facts (actual statistics), and then anecdotally create my own version of events, and base the rest of my post on that'.
How else are we going to measure things without statistics? Humans are notoriously bad at using personal experience and anecdotes to create their own false narratives (rigged slots anyone?), which is why we use evidence and statistics to measure things. It's impossible to debate against a position that starts with, 'I am going to ignore the facts and make up something else that fits my version of events better'.
Child poverty went down under Labour (although they admitted they weren't going to hit their original target to end it by 2020), it starting going up again after the Tories got into power, those are the facts of the case.
The EU had nothing to do with it, and leaving the EU will hurt the poor, not help them.
Please stop calling the EU a dictatorship, it is the literal exact opposite of a dictatorship and repeatedly calling it one won't make it the case. I've explained earlier in this thread, with evidence, to explain why the EU is not a dictatorship.
As for the rest of your post, you basically start with 'I am going to ignore the facts (actual statistics), and then anecdotally create my own version of events, and base the rest of my post on that'.
How else are we going to measure things without statistics? Humans are notoriously bad at using personal experience and anecdotes to create their own false narratives (rigged slots anyone?), which is why we use evidence and statistics to measure things. It's impossible to debate against a position that starts with, 'I am going to ignore the facts and make up something else that fits my version of events better'.
Child poverty went down under Labour (although they admitted they weren't going to hit their original target to end it by 2020), it starting going up again after the Tories got into power, those are the facts of the case.
The EU had nothing to do with it, and leaving the EU will hurt the poor, not help them.
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'Labour made a very good job of it.' Still trying to stop laughing. So where's all those wonderful EU 'development grants' or 'regional assistance' then? You know, the ones where we give them £10bn and they grudgingly choose how to spend £5bn of OUR money back in the UK...
And your opening sentence couldn't be more wrong. Check out the SGP which the EU enforces, which limits national debt (which is where Labour print money from to fund their grandiose social spending and which makes EVERYBODY poorer in the long run.)
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As the UK was in a terrible state and had run out of money after Labour's profligacy prior to 2010 austerity was a necessity not a choice. We are still over the national debt levels the EU demands.
Oh, and we actually spend the required 2% or more of GDP on defence, something which most of our European partners don't, in fact over a quarter of the EU defence spending. So check why it seems rosier elsewhere in the EU.
Check out the levels of youth unemployment in many EU states, which if we had would cause an outcry.
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I've stumped you momentarily... no come on, I stand by my post, 'there are lies, damned lies and statistics' wasn't based on thin air, it's a well known fact statistics are used by politicians and think tanks to deceive people. what do you think creating a housing crisis does to families, raises the cost of living and increases homelessness, hostels etc.. when labour pm Tony blair agreed to the mass immigration from former eastern european countries without building enough new homes that's what he achieved:"In May 2004, the EU welcomed ten new member states – the majority from Central and Eastern Europe – in what was the largest expansion in the history of European integration. The UK was one of only three member states, alongside Sweden and Ireland, to open its labour market to these new EU citizens immediately."
and this on the child poverty issue:
"Today, the Oxford Review of Economic Policy publishes a
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on Labour's economic record when in government between 1997 and 2010. As part of this, IFS researchers assess Labour’s record on income inequality and poverty. Here, we show how income inequality changed little but child and pensioner poverty fell significantly. We suggest, though, that these falls in poverty might prove fragile given that they were mostly based on very large increases in spending on benefits and tax credits. We also reflect on the main lessons for today’s policymakers. One such lesson is that how you spend money is more important than how much you spend....did that benefit money actually get spent on little johnny and jane or wasted on sky tv subscriptions and gadgets etc? what do the statistics tell us on how the money coming into poor households was spent?
By contrast, the incomes of poorer working-age adults without dependent children - the major demographic group not emphasised by Labour as a priority - changed very little over the period. As a result they fell behind the rest of the population and relative poverty levels rose. "
So that was great governance from tony's dodgy crew, I would hazard a guess, if that is permitted
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Cant believe these bloody politicians,Mays going going ahead with more motions she knows cannot be passed, Labour are heading towards
no more talks without a second referendum and parliament is pissing off on hols again for 2 weeks.They are treating the population like
total shit.3 bloody years and they have got nowhere.Never seen politics in such a shambles.
Really thing there will be a serious backlash and civil unrest soon,there are a lot of angry voters out there
no more talks without a second referendum and parliament is pissing off on hols again for 2 weeks.They are treating the population like
total shit.3 bloody years and they have got nowhere.Never seen politics in such a shambles.
Really thing there will be a serious backlash and civil unrest soon,there are a lot of angry voters out there
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I think leavers all need to vote in this upcoming mep election, if nigel's brexit party wins most seats it'll be a reconfirmation that leavers haven't changed their mind [due to the politicians dragging their feet]
I must say I've never voted in one of these european elections, always believing it to be a waste of time, so this'll be a first. I'm not sure there would be large scale civil unrest, maybe a few isolated incidents, but people will not forget the betrayal, the politicians have damaged their standing even more if that were possible. The trust between elected representatives and the electorate is at an all time low now, how will it ever recover ?
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I see someone has made a handy Brexit FAQ.
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I'm going to post this as it's sitting in my draft post, found it earlier today, about the dictatorship/democracy issue. It's written by a proper writer, worth a read for those strongly in favour of the EU, these are extracts from a larger article, but I don't think the EU can claim to be the total opposite to a dictatorship, they may not be spain under franco but a true democracy they ain't either:
"The second crucial factor undermining democracy in Europe has been the European Union. The EU is a technocracy rather than a democracy: It was designed as a protected sphere of policymaking, free from direct democratic pressures. (Or as one astute observer of EU politics, Kathleen McNamara, put it, “The EU governs, rather than represents.”) Critical decisions made by unelected EU technocrats are made without any direct input from citizens who also, of course, lack the ability to throw technocrats out of office if their decisions prove unpopular or counterproductive.
In recent years, more and more policymaking responsibilities have fallen under Brussels’s purview, reducing the powers and policy instruments available to national democratic governments. This undermining of national democracy became particularly acute and noticeable during the 2008 financial crisis, when European countries’ lack of control over their own currencies made it harder to deal with economic challenges while at the same time the EU made decisions with immense distributional consequences — such as imposing austerity on many member states — without direct input by voters or the parties representing them at the national level.
Jean-Claude Juncker, the president of the European Commission, later
the writer was Sheri Berman 'Sheri Berman is a professor of political science at Barnard College and the author of The Primacy of Politics: Social Democracy and the Making of Europe’s Twentieth Century and the forthcoming book Democracy and Dictatorship in Europe: From the Ancien Régime to the Present Day.'
"The second crucial factor undermining democracy in Europe has been the European Union. The EU is a technocracy rather than a democracy: It was designed as a protected sphere of policymaking, free from direct democratic pressures. (Or as one astute observer of EU politics, Kathleen McNamara, put it, “The EU governs, rather than represents.”) Critical decisions made by unelected EU technocrats are made without any direct input from citizens who also, of course, lack the ability to throw technocrats out of office if their decisions prove unpopular or counterproductive.
In recent years, more and more policymaking responsibilities have fallen under Brussels’s purview, reducing the powers and policy instruments available to national democratic governments. This undermining of national democracy became particularly acute and noticeable during the 2008 financial crisis, when European countries’ lack of control over their own currencies made it harder to deal with economic challenges while at the same time the EU made decisions with immense distributional consequences — such as imposing austerity on many member states — without direct input by voters or the parties representing them at the national level.
Jean-Claude Juncker, the president of the European Commission, later
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remorse for many of these actions, speaking out against the EU’s lack of democratic legitimacy and saying it had “sinned against the dignity” of people in the bailout countries."the writer was Sheri Berman 'Sheri Berman is a professor of political science at Barnard College and the author of The Primacy of Politics: Social Democracy and the Making of Europe’s Twentieth Century and the forthcoming book Democracy and Dictatorship in Europe: From the Ancien Régime to the Present Day.'
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Ever wondered about the kind of morons who still want brexit? heres a few examples from James O Brian's daily radio talkshow. And to think these people have a vote just like we do.
Disclaimer warning: listening to these callers may cost you a few brain cells.
Disclaimer warning: listening to these callers may cost you a few brain cells.
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listening to james o'brien would give me high blood pressure, the bloke's a classic champagne socialist who argued in favour of the iraq war, you're not referring to us in this thread as morons I take it?
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I can genuinely feel my brain liquefying and trying to escape out of my ears when I hear stuff like that.
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wow, some guy has cherry picked a massive 3 people from an entire country, who are perhaps not so intelligent, but people who have an opinion on something you disagree with, and used them as an example as how much of a low iq people who want brexit must have.
And because these "morons" that you call them "still want brexit" , its a great example of everyone else who still wants brexit . The guy then used this to gain attention/views in his favour, while other mor... other people lap it all up as great examples of half a country that dont agree with them.
didnt bother to watch it, because 20 minutes of some bloke using less intelligent peoples as an example of a huge group of people, and making money at their expense isn't my cup of tea.. but i think there are more than 3 "loonies" in the country.. or 3 morons, as you put it, regardless of what they do or don't want.
embarrassing post imo, tbqhwy. and thats coming from someone who has posted some shockers in his time
And because these "morons" that you call them "still want brexit" , its a great example of everyone else who still wants brexit . The guy then used this to gain attention/views in his favour, while other mor... other people lap it all up as great examples of half a country that dont agree with them.
didnt bother to watch it, because 20 minutes of some bloke using less intelligent peoples as an example of a huge group of people, and making money at their expense isn't my cup of tea.. but i think there are more than 3 "loonies" in the country.. or 3 morons, as you put it, regardless of what they do or don't want.
embarrassing post imo, tbqhwy. and thats coming from someone who has posted some shockers in his time
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The first rule of being a remainer - anyone who disagrees with your view should not be allowed to speak
The second rule of being a remainer - anyone who thinks differently to a remainer should not be allowed to vote as they do not have the intelligence to handle the complex processes of how things work.
The third rule of being a remainer - anyone who does not think like a remainer is a troll or spreading hate and therefore should not be allowed to speak their view as they could spread their inadequate views to other people of low intelligence and brainwash them into thinking like them
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It's emblematic of the wider debate though, in that it's essentially impossible to back up any of the 'BREXIT WILL BE GOOD BECAUSE...... X, Y, Z' claims with anything of any substance, it all just crumbles to dust when exposed to even moderate scrutiny.
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Brexit will be good because the likes of you will be pissed off and hate it and that is enough for voting Brexit for me to wind up and annoy remainers like you, just to see your miserable faces is well worth it.
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here's another clip of petulant and rude O'brain:
mogg sums up james tactics at 12.30secs
mogg sums up james tactics at 12.30secs
