Brexit - whats the difference.....

[ChopleyIOM]

I find it fascinating how he claims to be fighting against the 'political elite', despite the fact he's stood as an MP seven times (and never succeeded once), and has been a salary-drawing MEP for 20 years, although of course he hardly ever turns up and when he does it's just to get his anti-EU video made before he fucks off again.

At one UK election he was beaten by a man wearing a dolphin costume.

 

[pinnit2014]

To be fair, I’d vote for a dolphin no matter who it was up against.

 

[goatwack]

Flipper can be such a brute

 

[mack341]

Chopley, to take your mind off old Nige's political manoeuvres can I suggest a new image for your desktop background:

[Bill cash mp for those who avoid following politics is the doyen of Eurosceptics ]

 

[09237653]

Fear not brexiteers, Jacob Reese Mogg's sister is standing in the EU elections for Nigel Farage's brexit party, a staunch conservative since age 5 (in 1984 of all years) and from one of the most trustworthy families who are definitely 100% behind yours and the countries interests over their own (/s)

Couldn't make this shit up, we're gonna have 2 Reese Moggs spouting their horseshit on the news every night for the next six months, wasn't one already enough?

 

[slotplayer]

The cable is having a free HBO/Max weekend here.
I just watch this Brexit documentary last night.

 

[mack341]

The cable is having a free HBO/Max weekend here.
I just watch this Brexit documentary last night.

was it any good? I'd expect Benedict Cumberbatch to be a remainer so anticipate this drama didn't paint 'leavers' in a good light, similar in some respects to hillary's 'deplorables' possibly?

 

[goatwack]

was it any good? I'd expect Benedict Cumberbatch to be a remainer so anticipate this drama didn't paint 'leavers' in a good light, similar in some respects to hillary's 'deplorables' possibly?

He was great in Patrick Melrose, so I'm a Cumberbatch convert. Or just 'Cum-head' for short! No, wait........

But a Brexit film, despite his talents, just seems like a frightful bore

 

[mack341]

He was great in Patrick Melrose, so I'm a Cumberbatch convert. Or just 'Cum-head' for short! No, wait........

But a Brexit film, despite his talents, just seems like a frightful bore

yeah he looks good in that, If this Brexit drama is available to watch on the c4 player I might have to give it a watch

 

[dionysus]

Flipper can be such a brute

He was great in Patrick Melrose, so I'm a Cumberbatch convert. Or just 'Cum-head' for short! No, wait........

sorry, those combined thoughts brought a joke to mind

what do you get when you cross a horny dolphin with a poet?

E E Cummings

 

[slotplayer]

was it any good? I'd expect Benedict Cumberbatch to be a remainer so anticipate this drama didn't paint 'leavers' in a good light, similar in some respects to hillary's 'deplorables' possibly?

it s was good, but it was the other way, all about the leavers and how they used Cambridge Analytica data. Go to the scene at 50 seconds in. It said at the end an estimated 1 billion ads were show.

 

[dunover]

I find it fascinating how he claims to be fighting against the 'political elite', despite the fact he's stood as an MP seven times (and never succeeded once), and has been a salary-drawing MEP for 20 years, although of course he hardly ever turns up and when he does it's just to get his anti-EU video made before he fucks off again.

At one UK election he was beaten by a man wearing a dolphin costume.

There's no place for violence in the democratic process, whatever the opposition is dressed as.

 

[dunover]

He was great in Patrick Melrose, so I'm a Cumberbatch convert. Or just 'Cum-head' for short! No, wait........

But a Brexit film, despite his talents, just seems like a frightful bore

It was quite good, but has the same indulgent script and over-acting as BC was panned for in that dreadful Christmas Sherlock nonsense. The remoaning foil-hatters (losers) will lap it up.

 

[mack341]

it s was good, but it was the other way, all about the leavers and how they used Cambridge Analytica data. Go to the scene at 50 seconds in. It said at the end an estimated 1 billion ads were show.

I could only manage 30 mins, it was cringe worthy, nigel farage was portrayed as a cross between del boy and arthur daley, all the main leave characters were portrayed as devious, like pantomime villians whereas the remain characters were all serious looking and highbrow.

The clear message being inferred was 'you leavers were duped by these con artists, you should have trusted the good guys'

The BC character, dominic cummings, [no wonder the leave campaign never mentioned his name ] was sort of an outsider not really interested in brexit but roped into run the campaign as he was supposed to be some sort of maverick genius.

The cambridge analytica story causing the result of brexit is on the same level of truth as the russians won trump the election.
I very much doubt any remain voters were convinced to vote leave due to facebook etc.. but I think many people undecided would have voted remain due to the sheer weight of govt propaganda and scare stories from the media.

 

[thr0b]

Interesting that the Brexiteers continue to argue emotionally rather than against proven facts.

The leave campaign was a giant con. The most successful ever, perhaps. But it was a con, and it conned a lot of people.

 

[paul7388]

Lol i just wish the whole thing was done with.

Personally beyond caring whether we remain or leave just sick of hearing about the damned thing and also sick of hearing Sturgeon using it to rattle on about another independence vote up here.

Main difference is her Referendum a few years ago was a legally binding one the EU vote was just an advisory vote that the Government decided to go with people opinion and push it through.

The EU Referendum came at a good time for leave voters as countries were getting flooded with immigrants and there was so many terrorist attacks occurring worldwide. People can deny it all they wish but main reason a lot of people but not all voted leave was they thought doing so would stop any more foreigners coming to this country. A lot would not have known or even cared how leaving would affect the country they were just under the opinion leave and we will have less foreigners allowed in this country. That was shown at the time by the interviews in many of the towns and villages where people were open about their feelings and a lot did not even try to hide their racist views as they explained exactly why they votted to leave.

Knowing now that leaving would not stop immigration to this country their are many that would not have bothered voting at all.

 

[mack341]

Interesting that the Brexiteers continue to argue emotionally rather than against proven facts.

The leave campaign was a giant con. The most successful ever, perhaps. But it was a con, and it conned a lot of people.

Can you list these proven facts to help people understand your argument ?

 

[paul7388]

Can you list these proven facts to help people understand your argument ?

Stopping immigrants getting into country for a start. Any Brexit deal EU accepts will still require UK to take Immigrants.

 

[mack341]

Lol i just wish the whole thing was done with.

Personally beyond caring whether we remain or leave just sick of hearing about the damned thing and also sick of hearing Sturgeon using it to rattle on about another independence vote up here.

Main difference is her Referendum a few years ago was a legally binding one the EU vote was just an advisory vote that the Government decided to go with people opinion and push it through.

The EU Referendum came at a good time for leave voters as countries were getting flooded with immigrants and there was so many terrorist attacks occurring worldwide. People can deny it all they wish but main reason a lot of people but not all voted leave was they thought doing so would stop any more foreigners coming to this country. A lot would not have known or even cared how leaving would affect the country they were just under the opinion leave and we will have less foreigners allowed in this country. That was shown at the time by the interviews in many of the towns and villages where people were open about their feelings and a lot did not even try to hide their racist views as they explained exactly why they votted to leave.

Knowing now that leaving would not stop immigration to this country their are many that would not have bothered voting at all.

I think the leave vote was fuelled by a sense that there is now too much disorder and chaos in the country with all the public services under extra strain, homelessness etc..the rise in crime doesn't go unnoticed. Add on top the democratic sovereignty reasons and the membership fee £10 billion +...

 

[thr0b]

There is no such thing as “managed no deal”.

There is no trade deal with the EU without accepting indivisible rights that clash with May’s red lines.

The referendum vote would have been annulled due to widespread illegality had it been a binding vote.

The NHS will suffer if we leave. We may lose it entirely. They’re already struggling to recruit staff.

The German Car Manufacturers are not going to save us.

Since the vote, we’ve declined as an economy.

Brexit risk to trade is already happening as shortages of medicines and other goods are kicking in before we’ve even left (due to the lead times of shipping. Nobody wants their stuff stuck at ports.)

Brexit will leave us poorer as a nation. And things will cost more.

That’s just a few things. Now I’m off to deal with some wasps. They remind me of angry Brexiteers, but yellow and black instead of pink and sweaty

 

[paul7388]

I think the leave vote was fuelled by a sense that there is now too much disorder and chaos in the country with all the public services under extra strain, homelessness etc..the rise in crime doesn't go unnoticed. Add on top the democratic sovereignty reasons and the membership fee £10 billion +...

But take away the votes of many that don't even have a clue about that and it will have lost. During the process i watched many programmes up here and people admitted they had no clue about many of those things but by leaving EU they would have no foreigners living in their villages. And the debate on here has been about many lies both sides told. The amount that voted leave due to immigrants is Fact.

 

[goatwack]

There's no doubt whipping the public into a frenzy over immigration played a large part in the Leave campaign, I don't think anyone can deny that. Classics include:

So it was largely fear-driven and played on current sentiment. But also 'promised' was a thorough shake-up of public services and savings galore in the national interest, namely pouring millions into the NHS weekly etc

 

[thr0b]

So it was largely fear-driven and played on current sentiment. But also 'promised' was a thorough shake-up of public services and savings galore in the national interest, namely pouring millions into the NHS weekly etc

Aye. And people should’ve heard the giant alarm bells that it was often Tories claiming that they could go bigger on public services without the red tape of the EU. Except that being the antithesis of what Tories stand for.

What a mess. Still, nearly all in the past.

 

[goatwack]

Aye. And people should’ve heard the giant alarm bells that it was often Tories claiming that they could go bigger on public services without the red tape of the EU. Except that being the antithesis of what Tories stand for.

What a mess. Still, nearly all in the past.

I think most people were fully conscious of the fact that the Tories were incompetent self-serving toerags, it's just that a vote was presented to people and they were in charge.

That's not to say I'd entrust Jezza Corbyn to negotiate a better outcome. Nor did many anticipate Brexit taking so long to conclude by our Keystone Cops Government

 

[thr0b]

Corbyn’s Labour is not Labour.

Our politics is broken, and leaving the EU isn’t going to help anything.

 

[slotplayer]

I could only manage 30 mins, it was cringe worthy, nigel farage was portrayed as a cross between del boy and arthur daley, all the main leave characters were portrayed as devious, like pantomime villians whereas the remain characters were all serious looking and highbrow.

The clear message being inferred was 'you leavers were duped by these con artists, you should have trusted the good guys'

The BC character, dominic cummings, [no wonder the leave campaign never mentioned his name ] was sort of an outsider not really interested in brexit but roped into run the campaign as he was supposed to be some sort of maverick genius.

The cambridge analytica story causing the result of brexit is on the same level of truth as the russians won trump the election.
I very much doubt any remain voters were convinced to vote leave due to facebook etc.. but I think many people undecided would have voted remain due to the sheer weight of govt propaganda and scare stories from the media.

I don't know who most of the people involved are. The only ones I know are Nigel, Boris and Cameron. I also know Katie Hopkins and Tommy Robinson.

I did think they portrayed Nigel as a bit of a clown, not anything like he is when he appears on the US media.

 

[slotplayer]

There's no doubt whipping the public into a frenzy over immigration played a large part in the Leave campaign, I don't think anyone can deny that. Classics include:

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So it was largely fear-driven and played on current sentiment. But also 'promised' was a thorough shake-up of public services and savings galore in the national interest, namely pouring millions into the NHS weekly etc

Notice they're mostly men.

 

[goatwack]

Notice they're mostly men.

Children, many of them. Because despite that propaganda poster, our border forces have an aversion to verifying their age via dental checks to see who they say they are!

So 'men' is a bit strong. Many there are 16 or thereabouts

 

[mack341]

Corbyn’s Labour is not Labour.

Our politics is broken, and leaving the EU isn’t going to help anything.

Corbyn's been a labour mp for 36 years, is far left and was voted as leader by a majority of the labour members.

I'm not a supporter of his but if he's not labour what is he?

 

[goatwack]

I just want to know at what point in his life Corbyn went from KGB to Labour

 

[mack341]

He's got to be pretty naive/dangerous to think the communists were good, all the people they murdered.

I think that's lenin in the pic above, maybe he thinks it's a trendy fashion statement he can never be pm surely?

 

[slotplayer]

Children, many of them. Because despite that propaganda poster, our border forces have an aversion to verifying their age via dental checks to see who they say they are!

So 'men' is a bit strong. Many there are 16 or thereabouts

Where are they getting the dental records or are they just checking the growth of their teeth?

 

[goatwack]

He's got to be pretty naive/dangerous to think the communists were good, all the people they murdered.

I think that's lenin in the pic above, maybe he thinks it's a trendy fashion statement he can never be pm surely?

He won't get in, but he's no doubt pushing for another General Election. Prior to the last one he was getting the same sort of flak for his many shortcomings, takes a massive bite out of the Cons, and becomes the most popular man in the land. From villain to prince of Eternia in one fell swoop

 

[goatwack]

Where are they getting the dental records or are they just checking the growth of their teeth?

Yes I believe the latter, as they would have had no dental records for them

 

[Playford7]

He's got to be pretty naive/dangerous to think the communists were good, all the people they murdered.

I think that's lenin in the pic above, maybe he thinks it's a trendy fashion statement he can never be pm surely?

Dangerous idiot.
Terrorist sympathiser, anti-uk defence, pro Islam..
everything you never would want in a PM.
Aweful misguided human.

 

[mack341]

Dangerous idiot.
Terrorist sympathiser, anti-uk defence, pro Islam..
everything you never would want in a PM.
Aweful misguided human.

depressing times for the uk electorate, what does it say regarding mrs may that she wants to agree a joint brexit deal with corbyn?

 

[goatwack]

Dangerous idiot.
Terrorist sympathiser, anti-uk defence, pro Islam..
everything you never would want in a PM.
Aweful misguided human.

I'm sorry, could you elaborate a little?

 

[Playford7]

I'm sorry, could you elaborate a little?

He’s a horrible twat
And I despise him.
Hope that clears things up a little mate

 

[thr0b]

Corbyn's been a labour mp for 36 years, is far left and was voted as leader by a majority of the labour members.

I'm not a supporter of his but if he's not labour what is he?

He consistently voted against Labour through much of his career. More than Tories.

 

[paul7388]

Dangerous idiot.
Terrorist sympathiser, anti-uk defence, pro Islam..
everything you never would want in a PM.
Aweful misguided human.

That sums up exactly my opinion of him and that is near enough word for word what i would have wrote.

Brexit or no Brexit. Deal or No Deal. Nothing could be worse than having him in charge of this country. We would end up a country with no Military Deterrent that would allow anyone in if he had his way.

 

[Gina Wild]

Reading all this comments, it seems Britain is a war zone and suppressed by the EU
I always thought that Britain is a democratic country and has its own government

 

[goatwack]

Reading all this comments, it seems Britain is a war zone and suppressed by the EU
I always thought that Britain is a democratic country and has its own government

You're 50% correct, I'm not sure on the last two

 

[mack341]

He consistently voted against Labour through much of his career. More than Tories.

were these on left/right issues ? and in your opinion was tony blair labour or 'new labour'?

 

[Playford7]

were these on left/right issues ? and in your opinion was tony blair labour or 'new labour'?

Momentum got that odious corbyn elected, he’s merely a puppet for that extreme far left bunch of heathens

 

[goatwack]

heathens

 

[Playford7]

heathens

Perfect way to describe the miscreants

 

[irish-ranger]

Interesting that the Brexiteers continue to argue emotionally rather than against proven facts.

The leave campaign was a giant con. The most successful ever, perhaps. But it was a con, and it conned a lot of people.

How do you come to that conclusion?the problem being is that no man and his dog has a clue what would happen if we left hence the constant scare tactics being used by all and sundry a classic example of this being the world ending at 00:01 hrs on the 01/01/2000 and what happened I woke up with a stonking hangover.

 

[thr0b]

A lot of people spent a lot of time fixing the millennium but so that it would not be a problem. It was not an imaginary problem.

Brexit is a problem where the only realistic solution is to remain.

 

[goatwack]

A lot of people spent a lot of time fixing the millennium but so that it would not be a problem. It was not an imaginary problem.

Brexit is a problem where the only realistic solution is to remain.

You mean the fear at the time where the populace was riled up to fear planes falling out of the sky and everyone's life coming to a standstill on 1/1/2000? Because that turned out to be a lot of hot air after all that hysteria!

 

[Playford7]

A lot of people spent a lot of time fixing the millennium but so that it would not be a problem. It was not an imaginary problem.

Brexit is a problem where the only realistic solution is to remain.

So if we had left when we meant to do you think nobody had anything in place?..