New Slot Announcement Bonanza by Big Time Gaming

[pinnit2014]

Without question there used to be more bonuses that paid between x200 and x500. They have all but disappeared along with the decent hits on the max ways. Yes, you still hit one occasionally but most max ways pay nothing or pence.

The decent midrange bonuses have been added to the bigger wins that are once in a lifetime hits and there are way more that pay less than x50 than previously. Add in the 4% that Btg have made vanish into thin air and there you have it. A game that runs at around 92% (even below at some Casinos). No coincidence that DOA has gone to shite since Evolution took over.

I agree that the variance has been ramped up - the mid range as you call it has been decimated and it all shuffled towards the bigger hits.

And incase anyone, well Chopley, goes 'why', well Mr Wild said regarding a Raw game they changed the variance (whilst keeping the RTP) so they give more frequent big wins so it's not that wild a statement.

It probably meets the proverbial 96% but it does play wildly different IMO to before. - had bigger losing streaks but bigger X hits in the last 2/3 years.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

I agree that the variance has been ramped up - the mid range as you call it has been decimated and it all shuffled towards the bigger hits.

And incase anyone, well Chopley, goes 'why', well Mr Wild said regarding a Raw game they changed the variance (whilst keeping the RTP) so they give more frequent big wins so it's not that wild a statement.

It probably meets the proverbial 96% but it does play wildly different IMO to before. - had bigger losing streaks but bigger X hits in the last 2/3 years.

I've accepted all along in this debate that the volatility of the features may have been changed, not least because everything else has been ruled out. (I've made multiple posts in this thread to that effect over two or three years now, dunno, whenever it was that snorky first started insisting that nefarious shenanigans were underway, could be longer )

For me it still doesn't make sense to faff about with the maths of a game that's had such long legs and endurance as Bonanza (if it ain't broke and all that), but it can't be ruled out.

96% RTP - still there.
1/460 bonus frequency - still there.
Large amount of RTP in base game - still there.

So all that's really left in terms of levers to pull is making the bonus more volatile, by shifting its weighting into bigger hits at the expense of smaller ones. For casinos that are racking up hundreds of thousands (millions?) of spins on the game on a weekly basis the net overall effect is zero of course in terms of actual game return, but maybe it changes the player profile into depositing more, or busting balances out more frequently, something like that - they'll have all that data on the backend.

Oddly enough, after over six months of total online slots abstinence, one of the few slots I sort of occasionally miss is Bonanza, for all its foibles there was a certain something about it, and it was the perfect slot to have running off to the side whilst doing something else, as it didn't require interaction very often

 

[pinnit2014]

I think you said 'why would they change the variance/volatility if the RTP is still 96%', but i may be mistaken

If you take Ave Ceasar, the RAW game, they blatantly changed the game (@Jono777 commented on it before) - and made it a better game to be honest. Yes the RTP was 94% after it but, oddly was more enjoyable.

For me that made me ask the Q of what's more important: the RTP of a game of a trillion spins or the fundamental variance mechanics.

Why they do this if the RTP is the holy grail...i can only guess

 

[mcgameboy]

Wouldnt surprise me if the Bonanza stats above were accurate, its 'only' 1.6 (ish) % below the theoretical rtp.
Its only natural, just as its natural to be a couple % above theoretical rtp when playing a good game.
I see the name of the slot was cropped out, i guess we will never know what slot im referring to.

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Probably involves Asian chicks who haven't lost their virginity yet....

 

[Kroffe]

Probably involves Asian chicks who haven't lost their virginity yet....

Is that how they roll in China? Will your social credit score take a dive if you have premarital sex?
I have sadly not made much progress when it comes to finding out who the bride is.
Maybe one of them is named 'Who' and Who's the bride, could it be that easy?
Probably not, further investigation is required.

 

[mcgameboy]

Is that how they roll in China? Will your social credit score take a dive if you have premarital sex?

I don't know mate. I haven't had the pleasure of...cough.....rolling with (or in) a Chinese bird.
If I were to be so lucky, I wouldn't be giving my social credit score much ANY thought tbh.

I have sadly not made much progress when it comes to finding out who the bride is.

That's because you're too busy hitting wildlines instead, you spawny twat.
You may not ever find the bride, but at least you might end up with a clusterfuck * of concubines as a consolation prize.
And you actually want me to feel sad/sorry for you cuz you ain't gotten your end away with an Oriental chick...YET? Pfffttt.....

* I don't know what the collective noun is for a group of concubines, so don't go busting my balls over that one, yeah?

Maybe one of them is named 'Who' and Who's the bride, could it be that easy?

Well as long as she isn't named Ho, I wouldn't mind. And "it" is a SHE, not an "it", regardless of whether she is easy or not. Honestly, I thought you Swedes were respectful towards women....

Probably not, further investigation is MOST DEFINITELY required.

Fixed that for you. Good luck. Hopefully you will find success and exclaim the words....

HO. LI. FUK.

Dear oh dear. I can be so bloody crude at times. I'll get my coat....

 

[Kroffe]

English is not my first language but i will do my best trying to decipher your post.

I don't know mate. I haven't had the pleasure of...cough.....rolling with (or in) a Chinese bird.
If I were to be so lucky, I wouldn't be giving my social credit score much ANY thought tbh.

What the fu..why bir.....i mean... good luck?

That's because you're too busy hitting wildlines instead, you spawny twat.
You may not ever find the bride, but at least you might end up with a clusterfuck * of concubines as a consolation prize.
And you actually want me to feel sad/sorry for you cuz you ain't gotten your end away with an Oriental chick...YET? Pfffttt.....

* I don't know what the collective noun is for a group of concubines, so don't go busting my balls over that one, yeah?

No need to worry, Clusterfuck is the correct term.

Well as long as she isn't named Ho, I wouldn't mind. And "it" is a SHE, not an "it", regardless of whether she is easy or not. Honestly, I thought you Swedes were respectful towards women....

Fixed that for you. Good luck. Hopefully you will find success and exclaim the words....

HO. LI. FUK.

So much smut, im sorry this is all new to me.

Dear oh dear coat....

Finally some normal sex stuff.

 

[SlotsGuy]

Bonanza was my favourite slot until very recently, I'm not sure what it is about this game but I always enjoyed playing this as my first game after a deposit. The last 3 sessions on 3 different casinos was absolutely terrible, the latest one was depositing £1000 playing at £2 per spin not hitting a single bonus or win over £45, the same goes for the other casino's. Due to this I won't ever play on it again, I used to look forward to experiencing at least one bonus within a few hundred pound and then having a few additional spins after then moving onto other games. But it's now firmly on the banned list.

So unless I was just extremely unlucky or something has changed thats the risk that software developers take with regular loyal players never returning to the slot after sessions like this.

 

[CongoGB]

Silly old day - a mix of "classic" and "Christmas". I nearly never play as high as quids, but I'd withdrawn enough to think why the hell not! (Sorry/not sorry to rub it in):

 

[CongoGB]

Nosebleed territory for me now, but I think I must have accidentally logged into Dazza's account...:

This low roller has now withdrawn over a grand today. Sometimes it works! Mostly not.

#TheGameHasChanged

 

[PMKFRUITPRO]

See if you can keep that up for 3 years like Dazza has……….

I think not.

 

[The Viking]

hehe what a saver with 2 spins left 6 scatter trigger with a retrigger

 

[Jono777]

.....and even better, it's in the correct thread this time

**Hoping Viking gets my poor sense of humour**

 

[brianmon]

The latest version (and RTP) is live...

 

[sufferinsilence]

Gradually shaving off RTP... It'll end up at 94% soon enough.

 

[kennygamerboy]

Absolutely no scatters in this version

 

[goatwack]

I suspect the hordes won't care or even have noticed, nor cease playing this game even if it were at 91%.

Despite already being highly volatile as it is - and always has been - a reduction in its RTP is only going to weaken the base game, its greatest strength.

Yet all the while, this is only brought about at casinos' behest. They're the ones setting the narrative with their demand for ever-lowering player returns, and the software developers oblige.

The game was perfectly fine at version 1.0, the rest is just hubris

 

[ChopleyIOM]

I'm slightly bemused by this, obviously they've lowered the RTP, but not by much, we're only talking 0.48%. Yes it'll add up over time with more profit for the casino/operator, but if you're going to go down that route, why not do the whole thing and take it down to 94%, which is generally the next 'step down' on the RTP ladder from 96%.

It'd be interesting to see if they've fiddled around with the game itself as well.

VS are still running last year's 96% release, BTW. (For now at least!)

 

[kennygamerboy]

Betvictor

 

[kennygamerboy]

Gradually shaving off RTP... It'll end up at 94% soon enough.

Already is on betvictor!!

 

[ChopleyIOM]

How many versions of the bloody thing are out there?

 

[Reelsoffun]

Definitely time to start looking at a new hobby…..

And in answer to your question, “many” versions, same as there has always been, just because two or more different sites have it at 96% RTP don’t guarantee they are the same version.

 

[brianmon]

I'm slightly bemused by this, obviously they've lowered the RTP, but not by much, we're only talking 0.48%. Yes it'll add up over time with more profit for the casino/operator, but if you're going to go down that route, why not do the whole thing and take it down to 94%, which is generally the next 'step down' on the RTP ladder from 96%.

It'd be interesting to see if they've fiddled around with the game itself as well.

VS are still running last year's 96% release, BTW. (For now at least!)

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I get the feeling that 96% may not be the maximum for much longer.
NetEnt now have a 95% version of DOA.

Also, it's not just the casino/operator who benefits from lower RTP. But the providers too. IIRC they make their money from a percentage charge of the casino/operator profits from each game.

So it's in their interest to lower RTP, as much as it is for casinos. They can't use the excuse that it's just due to demand from operators

 

[thr0b]

Looks like it's going live everywhere. Just checked a Crypto site which has all other BTG games, but Bonanza is currently missing.

(Could come back at 96% still with a new version number, obv.)

 

[PMKFRUITPRO]

Paddy was directing me to the scatterless 80% version for about a year.

 

[thr0b]

I mean, I prefer Opal Fruits and Star Clusters more anyway; Opal Fruits in Particular has a much more fun base game, and both have bonuses that can go nuts.

But presumably they will also be, er, reversioned shortly.

 

[DreddBeat]

Paddy was directing me to the scatterless 80% version for about a year.

The Paddy Power version always ran super cold for me. I never once seen it run slightly warm.

 

[PMKFRUITPRO]

That’s because it’s bent.

Probably taking me over to the German server.

 

[TheSchwad]

I said about DOA weird RTP on another thread, as I finding it hard to find sites with it at 96% now which is annoying. There seems to be many versions, with it at 95, 94, 93 & 91% (wonder if it goes even lower) it's bizarre having barely 1% shaved off between versions, when most provders have done a 96/94% split.

 

[mack341]

Could it be after auditing they found bonanza was not a 96% rtp game, rather than they've made additional changes.

But they (ukgc & casinos) wouldn't announce that fact as players would be entitled to a 'mis-selling' product type refund?

 

[PMKFRUITPRO]

If that was the case there would be a 79.83% version.

On the plus side I’d be owed about 250k

 

[MIKAEL75]

While perhaps off topic, it is discussed here, and I can add that I was "scammed" ... well, it is my fault I didnt check.. I played a DoA 1 version at 90% recently... luckily not too many spins/deposits... but still. Same goes for the Blood Suckers I at 90%. I was shocked / felt stupid. Is imperative to check RTP on everything now all the time before play.

 

[pinnit2014]

What's more depressing, they obviously know gamblers, bar a %, will still play at this Glory Hole RTP.

Ever get the feeling the End Credits scene has appeared on slots with no teaser for the next film

At 90% go find urself a Crypto casino - even the fake games have to be better than that

 

[TheSchwad]

There's all the variants of DOA RTP I can find, so strange to have such small jumps in RTP, I'm sure there is a 91% somewhere. Sickening to ruin such a classic, and I bet most won't be checking after playing all these years, just watching their balance strip away.

Downhill for all slots now BTG are also doing reduced RTP, are there any providers left?

 

[gonzo fonso]

a few spins last night after a break and a few good bonuses for a change

 

[geordiecolin]

Thought I would try Megariches and after a very nice bonus I hit this in the base. Not sure to raise the stakes or do one.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Thought I would try Megariches and after a very nice bonus I hit this in the base. Not sure to raise the stakes or do one.

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Let Windows run its updates!

Pet peeve of mine that. Also when people send you a screengrab from their phone and it's got like 4% charge or something.

 

[gonzo fonso]

well nice to have a 500x been over 1 year since last one

 

[gonzo fonso]

rare win at unibet

 

[bianchini82]

bonanza falls super win (3 eur bet)

 

[dunover]

bonanza falls super win (3 eur bet)

3489x !! WTF? How do some people see so much spawn lol

 

[Downsman]

Haven't played for a while..happy with this one.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Rigged!

1711x isn't to be sniffed at, what was the major contributing win to it?

 

[dunover]

Rigged!

1711x isn't to be sniffed at, what was the major contributing win to it?

He was using my old version.

 

[Downsman]

Rigged!

1711x isn't to be sniffed at, what was the major contributing win to it?

A big screen of reds made up about £110 of the win, and some in the 40's and 50's.
Not bad for a sixteen quid deposit..I was nearly busted when GOLD dropped in.
Cheers.

 

[gonzo fonso]

£100 in at unibet nice win for a change

 

[ChopleyIOM]

£100 in at unibet nice win for a change

How do you cope without autoplay? Is everyone just using auto-clickers or something?

On a game that can famously take 2500 spins or more for a feature, that's a lot of having to press the SPIN button.

 

[johnnymcc1966]

Just seen the opening bonus of Dunover way back in 2016 that paid 109x,which was considered a bit of an 'average' one back then. Oh how times have changed.

 

[ritae]

How do you cope without autoplay? Is everyone just using auto-clickers or something?

On a game that can famously take 2500 spins or more for a feature, that's a lot of having to press the SPIN button.

You can add autoplay back with a Chrome extension, there was a thread here a few years ago. It works fine with some versions of BTG, Pragmatic, but I wouldn't use it for Relax Gaming or NoLimit as it spins faster than the UK 5 second rule.

BTG only ever had 100 auto-play spins which was annoying.

 

[johnnymcc1966]

You can add autoplay back with a Chrome extension, there was a thread here a few years ago. It works fine with some versions of BTG, Pragmatic, but I wouldn't use it for Relax Gaming or NoLimit as it spins faster than the UK 5 second rule.

BTG only ever had 100 auto-play spins which was annoying.

100 spins on any BTG is more than enough to drain your balance. They probably didn't need more than 50 anyway.