New Slot Announcement Bonanza by Big Time Gaming

[dunover]

Had a bash before work this morning my worst ever 22 spin bonus. Absolutely dreadful thieving game. Not surprised this was on boyles another site that Bonanza performs awful for me.

Did you not see my recent 22-spin feature where IIRC I got 20-something times stake?

 

[kennygamerboy]

Did you not see my recent 22-spin feature where IIRC I got 20-something times stake?

It's FILTH ain't it?! I should of known better than to get excited ???

 

[pinnit2014]

Hahaha, I used to play quinbet but hit me with a sow for about 1k deposits.

Watch out of Boyles though - whilst they never asked for a SOW, an email came in the other day worded in such a way that they'll likely ask (so have been kinda fore warmed)

You played Boyles' 96% Prags/PNG's? - I've had more play time when Mr Vegas ran theirs at 91%: they're consistently awful for an alleged top RTP

 

[kennygamerboy]

Watch out of Boyles though - whilst they never asked for a SOW, an email came in the other day worded in such a way that they'll likely ask (so have been kinda fore warmed)

You played Boyles' 96% Prags/PNG's? - I've had more play time when Mr Vegas ran theirs at 91%: they're consistently awful for an alleged top RTP

Yes the supposed 96 rtp prags are filth on they're which leads me to believe they aren't 96 rtp very strange also same experience on quin bets supposed 96 prags when I played there!

 

[Kroffe]

In regards to the bonus, it is capable of the DOA-esque hits, though often after already being somewhat in the hole - the game's greatest gift. I don't think anyone's ever claimed any special treatment off Bonanza, I think most are aware of its nature. Perhaps the thread ought to be forked on your say-so?

 

[Axlthomas79]

Play this from time to time, after sifting through this thread I’m glad I never got hooked on it! Base game does seem poor, very few big hits ( can’t remember the last time I had more than two diamonds in a row ). Last bonus I had paid x12 on a 40p stake. Hardly ever see an L these days never mind a D.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

I think the crux of it is that this thread has prevailed after 850 pages and seven years because people like to share their experiences on it, whether good or bad. Chiding them as to them calling the game rigged or not rigged is pointless, as it pertains to their session on any given day.

I'd also like to believe most are aware that the game has a house edge when playing it, although if recent feedback is anything to go by, Evolution have seemingly nerfed the base game, apparent to seasoned players, in favour of making it top-heavy towards an (already) underwhelming bonus feature.

In regards to the bonus, it is capable of the DOA-esque hits, though often after already being somewhat in the hole - the game's greatest gift. I don't think anyone's ever claimed any special treatment off Bonanza, I think most are aware of its nature. Perhaps the thread ought to be forked on your say-so?

I'm all for the sharing of slots experiences and all the rest of it (chat, screenies, videos, whatever), it's when it crosses over into the, erm.... tinfoil hat territory that I reserve the right to have a gentle poke

Lest we forget I'm still reading, and posting to, this thread after 850 pages and seven years!

Anyway, I was going to have Bonanza running in demo play mode this evening whilst playing Baldur's Gate 3, but they had a 50% bonus offer at Rizk when I logged in, and I had some cash floating around in my Revolut account, so I've decided to have a punt with real funds (if you add the balance and bonus together, it comes to £101.12p), so I'll do some stats tracking like I did earlier in the year.

Bonanza is perfect for this, because I can concentrate on playing Baldur's Gate 3, and then once every couple of years I'll get to watch a bonus

 

[goatwack]

I'm all for the sharing of slots experiences and all the rest of it (chat, screenies, videos, whatever), it's when it crosses over into the, erm.... tinfoil hat territory that I reserve the right to have a gentle poke

Lest we forget I'm still reading, and posting to, this thread after 850 pages and seven years!

Anyway, I was going to have Bonanza running in demo play mode this evening whilst playing Baldur's Gate 3, but they had a 50% bonus offer at Rizk when I logged in, and I had some cash floating around in my Revolut account, so I've decided to have a punt with real funds (if you add the balance and bonus together, it comes to £101.12p), so I'll do some stats tracking like I did earlier in the year.

Bonanza is perfect for this, because I can concentrate on playing Baldur's Gate 3, and then once every couple of years I'll get to watch a bonus

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Indeed! Stellar choice!

I'll get onto BG3 once I've cleared the backlog of the Resi 4 & Dead Space remakes. That is, if I can accommodate them between the infinite sprawl that is Elden Ring! ?

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Oh baby!

Place your bets....

 

[ChopleyIOM]

That wasn't too bad actually, got off to a poor start but rallied towards the mid-end section, multiplier finished at 19x.

Bonus paid 310x.

 

[Kroffe]

Oh baby!

Place your bets....

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I bet it will pay 310x.

 

[The Viking]

Did you not see my recent 22-spin feature where IIRC I got 20-something times stake?

Yes and also saw your last video pretty depressing and by that i mean seeing you were 1000 up on your deposit sitting on1400 bux and not witdrawing anything
Saw you did that few weeks ago as well being 3-4 grand up then playing it down to zero, and still you wonder why your Bonanza funds is nearly exhausted but then again we all approach it diffrently and this is your way so respect for that i guess

 

[ChopleyIOM]

So here's where yesterday evening finished, although that 310x feature off the six scatters is doing a lot of heavy lifting.

BIG BONANZA STATS - REDUX

STARTING BALANCE £101.12p

(Features are four scatters with no retrigger unless noted otherwise.)

100 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £100.14p left
200 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £96.62p left
300 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £86.82p left
400 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £79.01p left
470 spins - FEATURE TRIGGER - Six scatters, 310x pay, £137.55p left
515 spins - FEATURE TRIGGER - 7.5x pay, £147.96p left
615 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £146.82p left
715 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £137.74p left
815 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £135.59p left
915 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £134.99p left
1015 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £124.44p left
1034 spins - FEATURE TRIGGER - 34x pay, £128.87p left
1134 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £122.57p left
1234 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £113.84p left
1242 spins - Autoplay stop trigger hit, 100x, £132.44p left
1342 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £122.22p left
1442 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £111.81p left
1542 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £111.44p left

 

[dunover]

So here's where yesterday evening finished, although that 310x feature off the six scatters is doing a lot of heavy lifting.

BIG BONANZA STATS - REDUX

STARTING BALANCE £101.12p

(Features are four scatters with no retrigger unless noted otherwise.)

100 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £100.14p left
200 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £96.62p left
300 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £86.82p left
400 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £79.01p left
470 spins - FEATURE TRIGGER - Six scatters, 310x pay, £137.55p left
515 spins - FEATURE TRIGGER - 7.5x pay, £147.96p left
615 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £146.82p left
715 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £137.74p left
815 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £135.59p left
915 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £134.99p left
1015 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £124.44p left
1034 spins - FEATURE TRIGGER - 34x pay, £128.87p left
1134 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £122.57p left
1234 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £113.84p left
1242 spins - Autoplay stop trigger hit, 100x, £132.44p left
1342 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £122.22p left
1442 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £111.81p left
1542 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £111.44p left

You must be playing my 'special' version then, 1500-odd spins with a feature very 500 spins and 110% RTP overall.

Average feature 117x.

100x in the base game (rare)

Those figures look very resepctable, a sustained session with a slight profit. I fear this may earn you derision and objects hurled in your direction from the hatters' balconies....

 

[ChopleyIOM]

You must be playing my 'special' version then, 1500-odd spins with a feature very 500 spins and 110% RTP overall.

Average feature 117x.

100x in the base game (rare)

Those figures look very resepctable, a sustained session with a slight profit. I fear this may earn you derision and objects hurled in your direction from the hatters' balconies....

That was off a nice selection of diamonds in the base game, reel 6 would have been the cherry on top....

 

[TheAddict]

He's so desperate to make this slot look good he saved a pic that wasn't even a full line! ;p

 

[ChopleyIOM]

He's so desperate to make this slot look good he saved a pic that wasn't even a full line! ;p

I honestly have no interest in making Bonanza look good, bad, or indifferent. My interest is in challenging the narrative that the game has been gimped/nerfed/bastardised and now cheats/cons/thieves/etc as opposed to delivering exactly the same Bonanza experience it always has.

And every time I invest the money and take the time to do some stats tracking, that's exactly what it's shown to be - the same old Bonanza it's always been, with its weird maths and lopsided RTP distribution, along with the rare feature and its higher than average pay.

I'd have a lot more time for the rigged/compensated brigade if they'd ever even remotely possess some stats to back their assertions up, as opposed to 'trust me it feels different I've been playing it for ages', which for my money belongs in the same camp as reading tea leaves.

 

[TheAddict]

Just teasin, me lad! ;D
Though a change or "nerf" wouldn't suprise me, I used to bash DOA. 100+ lines duriing the bashing
Thats a lot of spins.
Then.
Evo came.
Luckily I'd used a fair few 200% reloads, so not my pocket taking the full hit. but I estimate being down, since Evo, 13,000x bet. In return for 3 lots of 5+ spins that paid 20-100x.
Never happened during my previous 100 wild lines, a beating like that.
But I did hit 5oak wilds, in the base game, on Evo, while losing 13,000x in return for those sub 100x, 5+ spins features. Funny that, never hit that prior to evo, this elusive Ultra ultra rare base game hit.
How the sessions don't last, like others agree with. It was common before for a bankroll to fund multiple sessions. So i feel the pain, oozing from some of these comments .
I dunno. I don't play it anymore, despite prior to Evo it being almost the only online slot I ever played, spending years over years, grinding away. At times, taking beatings, but, uhh, fair beatings.
But, I do know it's time to make a brew and wrap another one up, and perhaps reminisce over those good times just a llittle while longer

 

[TheAddict]

I should add, I did hit 5 scatters twice during that estimated loss, which added for alot more turnover. So it did return something. I'm not moaning about the loss, but how, h-how it m-a made me feel.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Just teasin, me lad! ;D
Though a change or "nerf" wouldn't suprise me, I used to bash DOA. 100+ lines duriing the bashing
Thats a lot of spins.
Then.
Evo came.
Luckily I'd used a fair few 200% reloads, so not my pocket taking the full hit. but I estimate being down, since Evo, 13,000x bet. In return for 3 lots of 5+ spins that paid 20-100x.
Never happened during my previous 100 wild lines, a beating like that.
But I did hit 5oak wilds, in the base game, on Evo, while losing 13,000x in return for those sub 100x, 5+ spins features. Funny that, never hit that prior to evo, this elusive Ultra ultra rare base game hit.
How the sessions don't last, like others agree with. It was common before for a bankroll to fund multiple sessions. So i feel the pain, oozing from some of these comments .
I dunno. I don't play it anymore, despite prior to Evo it being almost the only online slot I ever played, spending years over years, grinding away. At times, taking beatings, but, uhh, fair beatings.
But, I do know it's time to make a brew and wrap another one up, and perhaps reminisce over those good times just a llittle while longer

I could never hit a thing on DOA. and this was back in its 'good old days' I played a lot of NetEnt back then, and bonuses were plentiful (also I often got tipped a decent bonus from the RedBet rep here at CM as I would make TouTube videos of the sessions), also multislot play was a thing too - so I'd regularly dig in for some long sessions, often featuring 2am or later finishes (I'm too old for that shit now )

I'd regularly throw DOA into the mix when I had more than one slot running, and if I was in a decent spot overall I'd have a lump away at it too.

Never hit a wildline, never hit five scatters, and I played it a fair amount. it was one of those slots I'd see people hitting big on here at CM, but for me it was always a crock of shit.

This is where the 'it's changed' narrative falls down for me, especially with Bonanza, because for every person who says it's been gimped beyond recognition, there's someone else who's doing fine on it, or who found it was diabolical back in its supposed hey-day, but has done better since, and so on. (I mean, snorky himself was famously running hot on the game for quite some time back in its earlier days!.....)

I'm not saying the maths on a slot can't be changed, and that it never is, but certainly when it comes to Bonanza, there's just no evidence for it IMO.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Right I'm breaking for lunch, I'll pick this up after the family have been fed.

Here are the stats so far.

BIG BONANZA STATS - REDUX

STARTING BALANCE £101.12p

(Features are four scatters with no retrigger unless noted otherwise.)

DAY ONE:

100 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £100.14p left
200 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £96.62p left
300 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £86.82p left
400 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £79.01p left
470 spins - FEATURE TRIGGER - Six scatters, 310x pay, £137.55p left
515 spins - FEATURE TRIGGER - 7.5x pay, £147.96p left
615 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £146.82p left
715 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £137.74p left
815 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £135.59p left
915 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £134.99p left
1015 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £124.44p left
1034 spins - FEATURE TRIGGER - 34x pay, £128.87p left
1134 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £122.57p left
1234 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £113.84p left
1242 spins - Autoplay stop trigger hit, 100x, £132.44p left
1342 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £122.22p left
1442 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £111.81p left
1542 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £111.44p left

DAY TWO:

1642 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £111.98p left
1742 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £109.44p left
1777 spins - FEATURE TRIGGER - 139x pay, £133.27p left
1792 spins - FEATURE TRIGGER - 54x pay, £141.75p left
1865 spins - FEATURE TRIGGER - 32.5x pay, £150.03p left
1925 spins - FEATURE TRIGGER - Five scatters, 137x pay, £171.80p left
2025 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £163.62p left
2125 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £153.61p left
2225 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £155.82p left
2307 spins - Autoplay stop trigger hit, 57x, £163.30p left
2407 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £157.56p left
2463 spins - FEATURE TRIGGER - 112x pay, £173.82p left
2563 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £162.41p left
2663 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £155.64p left
2763 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £155.66p left
2863 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £150.83p left
2963 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £147.62p left
3014 spins - FEATURE TRIGGER - 140x pay, £169.51p left
3090 spins - FEATURE TRIGGER - 60x pay, £175.52p left
3190 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £177.39p left
3290 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £165.97p left

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Stats, stats, come and get your lovely stats!

BIG BONANZA STATS - REDUX

STARTING BALANCE £101.12p

(Features are four scatters with no retrigger unless noted otherwise.)

DAY ONE:

100 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £100.14p left
200 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £96.62p left
300 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £86.82p left
400 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £79.01p left
470 spins - FEATURE TRIGGER - Six scatters, 310x pay, £137.55p left
515 spins - FEATURE TRIGGER - 7.5x pay, £147.96p left
615 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £146.82p left
715 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £137.74p left
815 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £135.59p left
915 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £134.99p left
1015 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £124.44p left
1034 spins - FEATURE TRIGGER - 34x pay, £128.87p left
1134 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £122.57p left
1234 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £113.84p left
1242 spins - Autoplay stop trigger hit, 100x, £132.44p left
1342 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £122.22p left
1442 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £111.81p left
1542 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £111.44p left

DAY TWO:

Morning shift.

1642 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £111.98p left
1742 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £109.44p left
1777 spins - FEATURE TRIGGER - 139x pay, £133.27p left
1792 spins - FEATURE TRIGGER - 54x pay, £141.75p left
1865 spins - FEATURE TRIGGER - 32.5x pay, £150.03p left
1925 spins - FEATURE TRIGGER - Five scatters, 137x pay, £171.80p left
2025 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £163.62p left
2125 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £153.61p left
2225 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £155.82p left
2307 spins - Autoplay stop trigger hit, 57x, £163.30p left
2407 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £157.56p left
2463 spins - FEATURE TRIGGER - 112x pay, £173.82p left
2563 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £162.41p left
2663 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £155.64p left
2763 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £155.66p left
2863 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £150.83p left
2963 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £147.62p left
3014 spins - FEATURE TRIGGER - 140x pay, £169.51p left
3090 spins - FEATURE TRIGGER - 60x pay, £175.52p left
3190 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £177.39p left
3290 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £165.97p left

Afternoon shift:

3390 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £157.91p left
3490 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £147.51p left
3590 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £150.23p left
3690 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £149.03p left
3790 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £145.79p left
3890 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £135.95p left
3990 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £129.80p left
4069 spins - FEATURE TRIGGER - 38x pay, £139.39 left
4079 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £136.97p left
4179 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £127.91p left
4279 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £120.41p left
4379 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £109.55p left
4479 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £99.41p left
4579 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £90.18p left
4615 spins - FEATURE TRIGGER - 232x pay, £133.10p left
4715 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £127.69p left

Evening shift:

4815 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £126.34p left
4830 spins - FEATURE TRIGGER - 17x pay, £127.35p left
4930 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £122.02p left <<< Wagering completed £120 withdrawable
5030 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £111.49p left
5130 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £101.84p left
5230 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £95.29p left
5330 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £89.97p left
5430 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £80.96p left
5530 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £69.31p left
5630 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £62.27p left
5730 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £60.23p left
5826 spins - FEATURE TRIGGER - 75x pay, £68.67 left
5926 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £62.15p left
6026 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £60.82p left
6126 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £54.71p left
6226 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £46.51p left
6273 spins - FEATURE TRIGGER - RETRIGGER - 158x pay, £77.97 left
6373 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £71.01p left
6473 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £65.53p left
6573 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £53.65p left
6673 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £42.16p left
6705 spins - FEATURE TRIGGER - 47x pay, £49.72 left
6805 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £46.69p left
6905 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £46.56p left
7005 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £37.60p left
7105 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £31.73p left
7171 spins - FEATURE TRIGGER - 72x pay, £39.58 left
7271 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £31.26p left
7272 spins - FEATURE TRIGGER - 12x pay, £33.55 left
7372 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £p left
7469 spins - Autoplay stop trigger hit, 51x, £39.57p left
7569 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £35.30p left
7669 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £33.72p left
7769 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £29.17p left
7869 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £18.91p left
7969 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £12.19p left
8069 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £3.77p left
8108 spins - BUST OUT - Was it as good for you as it was for Bonanza?

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Couple of key stats there:

1) Bonanza has an average feature frequency of 1/460, I managed a bit better than that at 1/450.
2) Bonanza has an average feature pay of 86x, I managed a bit better than that at 93x.

Both of my results are very close to the expected results, and exactly the same as Bonanza has always been. If something has been changed about the game, then it certainly hides it very well

Over 8000 spins from a bankroll of £100 really isn't bad going at all, god knows how many hours I had the bloody thing churning for!

For now at least, I am all Bonanzed out.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

OK last one for the evening, I had earned some WHEELS OF RIZK which got me some free spins, so with the balance from that I went back over to Bonanza....

Yeah it's not a monster but even so, that's £35 back in the tank and I only deposited £67.30p about 8300 spins ago....

 

[irish-ranger]

If this thread wasn't depressing enough ffs now we have sea gull shite plastered all over it..

 

[dunover]

Right I'm breaking for lunch, I'll pick this up after the family have been fed.

Here are the stats so far.

BIG BONANZA STATS - REDUX

STARTING BALANCE £101.12p

(Features are four scatters with no retrigger unless noted otherwise.)

DAY ONE:

100 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £100.14p left
200 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £96.62p left
300 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £86.82p left
400 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £79.01p left
470 spins - FEATURE TRIGGER - Six scatters, 310x pay, £137.55p left
515 spins - FEATURE TRIGGER - 7.5x pay, £147.96p left
615 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £146.82p left
715 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £137.74p left
815 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £135.59p left
915 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £134.99p left
1015 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £124.44p left
1034 spins - FEATURE TRIGGER - 34x pay, £128.87p left
1134 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £122.57p left
1234 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £113.84p left
1242 spins - Autoplay stop trigger hit, 100x, £132.44p left
1342 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £122.22p left
1442 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £111.81p left
1542 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £111.44p left

DAY TWO:

1642 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £111.98p left
1742 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £109.44p left
1777 spins - FEATURE TRIGGER - 139x pay, £133.27p left
1792 spins - FEATURE TRIGGER - 54x pay, £141.75p left
1865 spins - FEATURE TRIGGER - 32.5x pay, £150.03p left
1925 spins - FEATURE TRIGGER - Five scatters, 137x pay, £171.80p left
2025 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £163.62p left
2125 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £153.61p left
2225 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £155.82p left
2307 spins - Autoplay stop trigger hit, 57x, £163.30p left
2407 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £157.56p left
2463 spins - FEATURE TRIGGER - 112x pay, £173.82p left
2563 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £162.41p left
2663 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £155.64p left
2763 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £155.66p left
2863 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £150.83p left
2963 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £147.62p left
3014 spins - FEATURE TRIGGER - 140x pay, £169.51p left
3090 spins - FEATURE TRIGGER - 60x pay, £175.52p left
3190 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £177.39p left
3290 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £165.97p left

FOUR!! features within 139 spins at one point! That even beats my affiliate version ffs! Or for the session, 7 within 1648 spins. Bacofoil will be flying off the shelves shortly.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

FOUR!! features within 139 spins at one point! That even beats my affiliate version ffs! Or for the session, 7 within 1648 spins. Bacofoil will be flying off the shelves shortly.

It was a perfectly palatable extended session, with the sort of playtime some of us wax lyrical about slots being able to deliver in the 'good old days'. According to my sums (correct me if I'm wrong) my RTP was 93.8%, so a little adrift of target but there weren't any monster wins in there (such as Bonanza is capable of generating them anyway).

As a slot to have running off to the side whilst doing other things it's fine, but the time it can make you wait for a feature means having something else going on is a necessity IMO.

The feature itself is superb (I've always said that), BTG have kept the RTP pegged at 96%, and despite the strange maths it's not the worst game in the world IMO, especially against the current online slots landscape, which is a very different world to what Bonanza was released into back in 2016.

Honestly, if Rizk chuck me another bonus I'll probably take it and have another crack at Bonanza.

One thing though, how does it manage to ALWAYS make the last spin of the bonus a dead one? Grrr.

 

[TheAddict]

So, Risk hold the abiity to destroy another life, by creating another Bonanza addict. But will they deliver the bonus?

 

[PMKFRUITPRO]

So on this occasion you ran better in feature frequency and feature pays and u could still only manage 93%.

On ur previous occasion you managed 90% if I’m not mistaken.

Those stats agree with what a lot of people are saying. It’s not making its RTP. Yes it’s a small sample as you rightly say but believe me you’ve ran well to get as much throughput as you did.

FYI completely on tilt from something else that occurred I went back to paddy with a similar X stake bank roll only attacking on 80p and £1 stake.

The difference between ur play and mine is staggering. I will post screenshots tomorrow along with money in and out when paddy updates it’s transaction page to cover todays play.

 

[dunover]

It was a perfectly palatable extended session,

One thing though, how does it manage to ALWAYS make the last spin of the bonus a dead one? Grrr.

"Last spin, NO win!" I get relentlessly bollocked in my YT videos for saying it but it is mostly true. It's within the licensing/technical rules to weight bonus rounds and the reels for every single free game if the developer chose to. So on your spin of highest multiplier you are far less likely to hit, stands to reason.

The game 'manages' the bonus rounds partly by doing the above but mainly by how many dead spins it dishes out at the start - if you're 2x at 6 or 7 spins forget a big bastard, 99% of the time it won't give one.

It will also in 99% of bonuses give at least one bogus (ineffective) wild over reel 2 to annoy you with a dead spin where you only needed a matching symbol on 1&3 to win.

Lastly, the curse of the BTG retrigger - if the bonus is hitherto shite and you're say in the position above of one win in your first 6 or 7 spins, then you retrigger, the 5 spins will either be dead or give you one microwin. A retrigger is only usually of any use if the bonus has already paid and is going well.

 

[irish-ranger]

So on this occasion you ran better in feature frequency and feature pays and u could still only manage 93%.

On ur previous occasion you managed 90% if I’m not mistaken.

Those stats agree with what a lot of people are saying. It’s not making its RTP. Yes it’s a small sample as you rightly say but believe me you’ve ran well to get as much throughput as you did.

FYI completely on tilt from something else that occurred I went back to paddy with a similar X stake bank roll only attacking on 80p and £1 stake.

The difference between ur play and mine is staggering. I will post screenshots tomorrow along with money in and out when paddy updates it’s transaction page to cover todays play.

Please please don't feed the animals for the love of God ?

 

[PMKFRUITPRO]

"Last spin, NO win!" I get relentlessly bollocked in my YT videos for saying it but it is mostly true. It's within the licensing/technical rules to weight bonus rounds and the reels for every single free game if the developer chose to. So on your spin of highest multiplier you are far less likely to hit, stands to reason.

The game 'manages' the bonus rounds partly by doing the above but mainly by how many dead spins it dishes out at the start - if you're 2x at 6 or 7 spins forget a big bastard, 99% of the time it won't give one.

It will also in 99% of bonuses give at least one bogus (ineffective) wild over reel 2 to annoy you with a dead spin where you only needed a matching symbol on 1&3 to win.

Lastly, the curse of the BTG retrigger - if the bonus is hitherto shite and you're say in the position above of one win in your first 6 or 7 spins, then you retrigger, the 5 spins will either be dead or give you one microwin. A retrigger is only usually of any use if the bonus has already paid and is going well.

Now now Dazza, we all know each spin in the bonus round is a random call.

Trouble is that it’s a random call along the lines of a gates reel set on DHV.

 

[dunover]

Now now Dazza, we all know each spin in the bonus round is a random call.

Trouble is that it’s a random call along the lines of a gates reel set on DHV.

That is hysterical.

So the game selects say 'Q' for your sticky wild. You find that of the 16 central positions you get one on the third spin and another 1 or 2 later on leading to a shitter.

Next time around it selects say 10 for you. Then first spin no 10's appear but funnily enough there's queens and double-stacked queens everywhere.

Outlaw does exactly the same.

 

[Chesslover27]

A very nice bonanza attribute i also heard Chess2Play are also giving Welcome bonus for newly Registered

 

[ChopleyIOM]

So on this occasion you ran better in feature frequency and feature pays and u could still only manage 93%.

On ur previous occasion you managed 90% if I’m not mistaken.

Those stats agree with what a lot of people are saying. It’s not making its RTP. Yes it’s a small sample as you rightly say but believe me you’ve ran well to get as much throughput as you did.

FYI completely on tilt from something else that occurred I went back to paddy with a similar X stake bank roll only attacking on 80p and £1 stake.

The difference between ur play and mine is staggering. I will post screenshots tomorrow along with money in and out when paddy updates it’s transaction page to cover todays play.

That just says that my basegame was off a bit. There's far more RTP in the basegame on Bonanza than the feature (more so than most slots), so without hitting the expected numbers on that, even with a slightly better than average performance on features, overall RTP is still going to be under 96%.

I realise I'm stating the obvious here, but it's important to bear in mind that if a slot delivers 'perfect' RTP (as far as its concerned), then we as the player will lose all our money over enough spins. On perfect 96% RTP I would have bust out after 12,600 spins, I made it to 8,100 spins.

Generally speaking unless you hit a single big win, or a 'streak' of midsized wins, any deposit is ultimately going to end up in a bust out. I've had far more ignominious encounters with 96% slots than what Bonanza did on that session. (What's that 4ThePlayer one that bent me over and rammed a jackhammer up my arse earlier in the year? 3 Lucky Leprechauns or something. That had a fair few hundred quid off me on 20p spins and didn't deliver anything like the playtime that Bonanza did.)

 

[ChopleyIOM]

It will also in 99% of bonuses give at least one bogus (ineffective) wild over reel 2 to annoy you with a dead spin where you only needed a matching symbol on 1&3 to win.

The top reel is pure trolling sometimes, those bloody carts getting in the way all the time, and wilds appearing in positions that your brain says SURELY THAT'S A WIN only for you to realise that somehow it's managed to place everything in a configuration whereby no, it isn't a win.

I think the biggest and most impressive trick that Bonanza manages to pull (in perhaps the purest distillation of the Megaways formula, the original and best, if you will), is convincing the player that they're always so, so close to winning big stacks of cash - when in actual fact it's all a very elaborately constructed illusion.

It's like, we all know that features north of even 500x are pretty rare, but our brain tells us LOOK AT ALL THOSE MEGAWAYS, LOOK AT THE MULTIPLIER, LOOK AT THE TUMBLES, one more feature will be the charm!....

 

[PMKFRUITPRO]

That is hysterical.

So the game selects say 'Q' for your sticky wild. You find that of the 16 central positions you get one on the third spin and another 1 or 2 later on leading to a shitter.

Next time around it selects say 10 for you. Then first spin no 10's appear but funnily enough there's queens and double-stacked queens everywhere.

Outlaw does exactly the same.

Yes exactly, annoying blatant gimped reel sets in BTG bonus rounds is their forte.

Bonanza just does it slightly different with its majority of spins giving shit ways and an array of blocking gems and scatters.

 

[PMKFRUITPRO]

That just says that my basegame was off a bit. There's far more RTP in the basegame on Bonanza than the feature (more so than most slots), so without hitting the expected numbers on that, even with a slightly better than average performance on features, overall RTP is still going to be under 96%.

I realise I'm stating the obvious here, but it's important to bear in mind that if a slot delivers 'perfect' RTP (as far as its concerned), then we as the player will lose all our money over enough spins. On perfect 96% RTP I would have bust out after 12,600 spins, I made it to 8,100 spins.

Generally speaking unless you hit a single big win, or a 'streak' of midsized wins, any deposit is ultimately going to end up in a bust out. I've had far more ignominious encounters with 96% slots than what Bonanza did on that session. (What's that 4ThePlayer one that bent me over and rammed a jackhammer up my arse earlier in the year? 3 Lucky Leprechauns or something. That had a fair few hundred quid off me on 20p spins and didn't deliver anything like the playtime that Bonanza did.)

Yes I’m fully aware of that, u don’t need to explain to me how bonanza itself and rtp works.

My gripe and now vendetta is against the paddy power bonanza. I’m not a foil hatter and I’ve played bonanza way more than most across many sites but never have I felt like a slot is not performing correctly more than ever before.

This is NOT based on a few thousand spins this is based on an estimate ( they still won’t come up with my stats) of about 300-400k spins and possibly more!!

The game continues its same pattern. Adequate base but not the feature ratio it should do. As I’ve stated in another post the turnover in the base is there but it feels you are playing with reel sets with less scatters on. This is not based on yesterdays session. Believe it or not I’ve had WAY worse. This is based on 100’s of sessions giving the same gameplay.

Yesterdays overall stats are in……

A return of just 81.6% on stakes of between 40p and £1

A breakdown of the losses on each stake. Unfortunately thanks to our friends at the UKGC I can’t give u an exact spin count due to no autoplay.

£1 stake 200x loss - £200
80p stake 232 x loss - £185.60
60p stake 258 x loss - £155
40p stake 100x loss - £40

£580 ish cash loss. From a 790x stake in deposits across the different stakes. But what did I get for that?

Well I have the results in… I have screen shots of all features and should anybody doubt those I can also show my deposits into paddy to back this up…..

For my £185.60 loss on 80p I managed 4 features. Which is actually the best of them all.

1 of 12x
1 of 77.35x
1 of 79x
1 of 59.8x

For my £200 loss on £1 stake. Its 2 features.

1 of 8x
1 of 59.5x

From my £155 loss on 60p. It’s 1 feature.

1 of 12.x

From my £40 loss on 40p it’s no features.

So 7 yes 7 features from approximately 4,000-4500 spins. I wasn’t spin counting obviously but from an average stake into the money deposited it’s in and around that mark. There is no way I can give an exact figure on that I’m afraid. But I was playing the game for around about about 7-8 hrs so the spin count is pretty close give. You can do roughly 100 spins every 9 mins.

So nowhere near your feature count (not even close) but a much heavier x loss.

As I’ve stated this is NOT an isolated incident, this is the kind of session that happens regularly and what led me to bin it all off.

Also a £100 loss on paddy’s sister (flutter site) sky vegas before this session started. U guessed it no features on 60-80p stakes. So even more pain to endure.

For those interested…..

Total stats across all PADDY play….

L Count - 58
Cascade chances - 21
Successful cascades - 3
Straight in features - 3
1 LD - Drop in.

Base wins of 25x or more….

1 - 40x
2 - 28.8x
3 - 27.4x

117,649 way spins.

1 - 7.2x
2 - 0x
3 - 3x
4 - 48x
5 - 50x

All the above give you an incredible 81.6%.

I couldn’t even get that bad if I’d driven to south mimms ffs.

Rant over.

 

[kennygamerboy]

Anybody else get this a lot these days with btg

 

[dunover]

Anybody else get this a lot these days with btg

Yes, tends to come up when a winning result is selected from the RNG.

 

[kennygamerboy]

Yes, tends to come up when a winning result is selected from the RNG.

I'm one coin away from bonus so I believe you

 

[mack341]

that somehow it's managed to place everything in a configuration whereby no, it isn't a win.

I think you're getting closer to the nub of it

 

[kennygamerboy]

How convenient

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Yes I’m fully aware of that, u don’t need to explain to me how bonanza itself and rtp works.

My gripe and now vendetta is against the paddy power bonanza. I’m not a foil hatter and I’ve played bonanza way more than most across many sites but never have I felt like a slot is not performing correctly more than ever before.

This is NOT based on a few thousand spins this is based on an estimate ( they still won’t come up with my stats) of about 300-400k spins and possibly more!!

The game continues its same pattern. Adequate base but not the feature ratio it should do. As I’ve stated in another post the turnover in the base is there but it feels you are playing with reel sets with less scatters on. This is not based on yesterdays session. Believe it or not I’ve had WAY worse. This is based on 100’s of sessions giving the same gameplay.

Yesterdays overall stats are in……

View attachment 187431

A return of just 81.6% on stakes of between 40p and £1

A breakdown of the losses on each stake. Unfortunately thanks to our friends at the UKGC I can’t give u an exact spin count due to no autoplay.

£1 stake 200x loss - £200
80p stake 232 x loss - £185.60
60p stake 258 x loss - £155
40p stake 100x loss - £40

£580 ish cash loss. From a 790x stake in deposits across the different stakes. But what did I get for that?

Well I have the results in… I have screen shots of all features and should anybody doubt those I can also show my deposits into paddy to back this up…..

For my £185.60 loss on 80p I managed 4 features. Which is actually the best of them all.

1 of 12x
1 of 77.35x
1 of 79x
1 of 59.8x

For my £200 loss on £1 stake. Its 2 features.

1 of 8x
1 of 59.5x

From my £155 loss on 60p. It’s 1 feature.

1 of 12.x

From my £40 loss on 40p it’s no features.

So 7 yes 7 features from approximately 4,000-4500 spins. I wasn’t spin counting obviously but from an average stake into the money deposited it’s in and around that mark. There is no way I can give an exact figure on that I’m afraid. But I was playing the game for around about about 7-8 hrs so the spin count is pretty close give. You can do roughly 100 spins every 9 mins.

So nowhere near your feature count (not even close) but a much heavier x loss.

As I’ve stated this is NOT an isolated incident, this is the kind of session that happens regularly and what led me to bin it all off.

Also a £100 loss on paddy’s sister (flutter site) sky vegas before this session started. U guessed it no features on 60-80p stakes. So even more pain to endure.

For those interested…..

Total stats across all PADDY play….

L Count - 58
Cascade chances - 21
Successful cascades - 3
Straight in features - 3
1 LD - Drop in.

Base wins of 25x or more….

1 - 40x
2 - 28.8x
3 - 27.4x

117,649 way spins.

1 - 7.2x
2 - 0x
3 - 3x
4 - 48x
5 - 50x

All the above give you an incredible 81.6%.

I couldn’t even get that bad if I’d driven to south mimms ffs.

Rant over.

That's a bad run for sure, it'd be better with some definitive stats but your feature frequency and average pay are both very poor, so yeah, that's going to sting.

If you're really not happy with how the game plays there, then why not play it somewhere else? Back in the day (like, the days of Microgaming single software Viper Client casinos), I had casinos I did and didn't like, even though we all knew that all MG were doing was putting a different skin on the same backend I'd gravitate towards the ones where I felt I'd been lucky, and steered clear of the ones where I didn't.

Plugging away endlessly at something that you don't think is right seems a bit..... daft. Especially if they won't give you your stats, that should be a figure any reputable casino can produce for you without issue.

Ultimately my answer would be the same as I give to snorky, and honestly, if you've done 400K spins there on Bonanza, I'd expect you to be within sneezing distance of RTP , and also very close to 1/460 feature frequency too. (And also, close to an 86x average feature pay.)

 

[pinnit2014]

Anybody else get this a lot these days with btg

That and sequence error...

Always after it's playing ok

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Just for a bit of fun I've had Bonanza rolling in demo play at Rizk this afternoon. It's taken my balance down 500x and delivered two features, which paid 8x and 13x, a proper horror show performance, and I think far worse than I've ever seen it deliver in real money play!

It hasn't hit a 50x stop trigger once either.

So for sure, catch it wrong and bad things will happen!

 

[goatwack]

Just for a bit of fun I've had Bonanza rolling in demo play at Rizk this afternoon. It's taken my balance down 500x and delivered two features, which paid 8x and 13x, a proper horror show performance, and I think far worse than I've ever seen it deliver in real money play!

It hasn't hit a 50x stop trigger once either.

So for sure, catch it wrong and bad things will happen!

Just imagine then that what you experienced there is how the game plays more often than not.

I'm not here to defend or validate other players' choice experiences with Bonanza, somewhat bored of that, and I myself have sang the game's praises from the rooftops at times, whilst also wishing death upon it at others!

Yet we could all take select moments where the game plays in our favour, or where it's seemingly been specially programmed against us. Going by a fair few Bonanza veterans in this thread, all signs point towards particularly barren sessions being the 'new norm', in contrast to pre-Evo levels.

And it's after enough of those sessions where meeting 96% seems a pipe-dream, and where many will likely never see the sunny side of low-80%s.

Don't know how many death-dives one's supposed to endure before eyebrows are raised, but from my fairly extended play on this, it'd be rare for the game not course-correct after a few blunder wonders.

I don't believe the game quite plays out as it used to, nor are players willing to see out billions of spins for that feted RTP, when forever playing catch-up. And I think BTG/Evo are all too aware of that, hence the multitude of disgruntled players

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Just imagine then that what you experienced there is how the game plays more often than not.

I'm not here to defend or validate other players' choice experiences with Bonanza, somewhat bored of that, and I myself have sang the game's praises from the rooftops at times, whilst also wishing death upon it at others!

Yet we could all take select moments where the game plays in our favour, or where it's seemingly been specially programmed against us. Going by a fair few Bonanza veterans in this thread, all signs point towards particularly barren sessions being the 'new norm', in contrast to pre-Evo levels.

And it's after enough of those sessions where meeting 96% seems a pipe-dream, and where many will likely never see the sunny side of low-80%s.

Don't know how many death-dives one's supposed to endure before eyebrows are raised, but from my fairly extended play on this, it'd be rare for the game not course-correct after a few blunder wonders.

I don't believe the game quite plays out as it used to, nor are players willing to see out billions of spins for that feted RTP, when forever playing catch-up. And I think BTG/Evo are all too aware of that, hence the multitude of disgruntled players

And yet if one simply delves back through the archives of this very thread, there are many CM members who were getting a terrible experience on this slot right out of the gate. Bonanza was doing the exact same thing, six years ago, to what people accuse it of having 'changed' to post-Evo or whatever other nefarious Rolfy style interference has been inflicted upon it.

Chipkin wasn't best pleased with it back in January 2017, for example!

 

[Jono777]

Wow, trawling back 6 years to prove a point.

I need some serious motivation lessons

 

[pinnit2014]

And yet if one simply delves back through the archives of this very thread, there are many CM members who were getting a terrible experience on this slot right out of the gate. Bonanza was doing the exact same thing, six years ago, to what people accuse it of having 'changed' to post-Evo or whatever other nefarious Rolfy style interference has been inflicted upon it.

Chipkin wasn't best pleased with it back in January 2017, for example!

View attachment 187507

No one's denying it's capable of shitter's - as you've said, from previous posts back to when you've said, that's been the case

However, as a almost daily player for 5-6 years:

- You could meet wagering on 30x, quite often: not so much now. If ever.
- The shift from 250-500x wins to now 1000x (I've had more 1000x plus wins in 2 years at the expense of those 250-750x - the variance has, in my lack of spreadsheet data backed up opinion, has been ramped up

The time taken between bonus's is on a par from the original. -you'll go 3000 spins, see none, and then get 6 in 200.

For me it's the variance that's been shifted up a notch - hence the lack of wagering plus points.

Anyone who's played the game on a regular basis will probably attest to that.

But it meets 96%....so Saul Goodman