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You’re confusing 1 or 2 people saying it’s been changed with that of a global opinion.
As I said it’s always had the ability to behave like this. Some people will have managed to avoid it. Others won’t have been so lucky. Everybody comes on and moans when they get shafted and I’m certainly no different, but that doesn’t mean the game has been changed. However it’s examples like the above (1 feature in 8.5k spins) that really make you realise the game is a shit show compared to other slots that DO produce far better value for money.
In fresh news after my hills mauling I tried 365 yesterday. The MSG speed fest.
£250 wiped out on 40/60p but I did manage 3 features. 2 were both under 50x the other slightly above.
A revisit this morning and 100x stake deposit wiped out in 13 minutes and 7 seconds.
Now that my friends is value.
I was close to a grand up over a couple of weeks on football and horses along with a fortunate hit on another game. Bonanza has munched the lot on small stakes and has been an absolute disgrace. A reminder to myself of why I ditched depositing with my ‘own’ money.
Long love the Pragmatics!! See the light people!!!
Better value to be had!!!
However I would still draw the line playing the bore fest that you enjoy playing over at 3 dice!
Congrats by the way choppers for not mentioning them in 2 consecutive posts!!! Is that a record??
I've never been convinced that it's been changed, but quite a few folks here absolutely insist it has been.
However going from the numbers we either categorically have, or can be pretty confident about, it seems to me there's very little that actually could have been changed at this point.
Its posts like this that have Evo and BTG laughing all round their offices
I know your seasoned, clued up in general etc mate but you have admitted you don't really play it much these days, most of the players who have posted about changes are the ones who eat, breath, shit and sleep the game so I'd think they've notice any changes more than us casual/occasional players, whether untoward or not.
Has the 96% been breached? Probably not. But it does raise questions how you actually get there.
2016-19: more 500-1000x wins, very little 1000x plus
2019-now: more 1000x plus wins, but more sub 50x's.
Is that a change in gameplay? I would say yes. Yet we trundle out the old: but RTP is still 96%! Having played it, the variance has been ramped up, per above. Does that make it a different game, in terms of play: i can see why players think so
Choppers is very sceptical over government policy, i don't quite get why he's not as sceptical over RTP's
I'm not sceptical about RTP, im sceptical about routes a-d to get to it....Oh for sure and I've said more than once that ultimately I defer to those who have far more experience with the game than I do when it comes to the question of has it been changed or not, but as per the list I posted earlier today, based on the numbers we have for various aspects of the game, there's not really much left for BTG to have messed with! (Volatility in the base game and/or bonus being about the extent of it - and yes, it's entirely possible that BTG have altered that)
Bonanza has never made any sense to me anyway, 76% RTP in a grindy base game with 20% in a feature that's awarded 1/460 is a recipe for extreme swings in long-term behaviour even if the game's moment-to-moment volatility isn't that insane, and the truth is we've seen that over the years in this thread. There are people describing things now that they insist prove it's been changed, that others were describing years ago when they had the same experience, but earlier on.
As for pinnit's comment on RTP, if you're sceptical about that then it really is time to hang up your playing shoes, because we're into flat out illegal, cheating behaviour at that point, if a game doesn't make RTP.
WTF?? That is the first VERIFIED instance I've seen of people who usually say "Oh, I had 4000 spins and no feature blaha blah..." I have gone over 2500 (counted) without one, so say I did that twice consecutively that would be 2 features in over 5k spins. But one in 8.1k??? That is unbelievably bad. I recall 13 consecutive deposits at Jackpot Joy without one, but I didn't count the total spins and they were £50 deposits playing 40-60p so assuming 300 spin average that would have been just shy of 4k spins, only half as bad as yours.
I think that serves as a reminder of what the variance of Bonanza is capable of, it can go on extended periods of utter shiteness then all of a sudden you'll get a session where they drop in like confetti and keep on doing so day after day. I hope that's the case for you - with Jackpot Joy in my case I SE'd before I ever got to the point of luck changing as I was so pissed off with it. It's also noticeable your RTP is pretty bang on the base game proportion of 76% so with 20% for the feature and no features landed it strikes a chord.
But if it's been changed how is that possible
8000 spins without a feature must be at the outer edge of what it's statistically capable of. With a 1/460 feature frequency, to go 8096 spins without one is 17.6x the average, I'd always considered a run of 10x the average to be very bad.
Apologies for putting this in the Bonanza thread, but seems quite topical at the moment, I remember @ChopleyIOM saying the TRTP should converge even on the most volatile games after around 100,000 spins, I think it would take alot longer than this, but at what point would you expect Bonus frequency to converge? My DOA2 bonus frequency is well below the expected 1/195 even after 153,620 spins. Am I getting a really raw deal, making a WildLine even harder to hit?
I've never been concerned with RTP as doubt I'd ever do enough spins on a single slot for it to count, but do get annoyed when my bonus frequency is below expected, even though most pay crap. Surely bonus frequency should converge after around ten thousand spins as volatility doesn't matter.
Annoyingly I've done closer to 400,000 spins on DOA2 but tend to play more on the sites where SlotTracker doesn't work, Bet35, LottoMart etc where they have the non-tease NetEnts (cheers UKGC). On these sites I perceive my bonus frequency is even lower as the slot plays faster and bonuses seem less frequenct, but without AutoSpin I can never know how many spins each bonus takes, as AutoClicker does all the work.
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I stopped using SlotTracker a few years ago. But at that time it was only registering the bonus feature on the MGS version and not the NextGen version (or maybe it was the other way around). So not only was the bonus frequency wrong but the actual winnings from the bonus weren't registered.DOA2 is an insanely volatile game of course (which I'm sure you're very well aware of already ), but your bonus round frequency is outside where I'd expect it to be given your spin sample size, and the relatively sane frequency of DOA's bonus round (even if its actual volatility is bonkers).
The obvious question is are we happy that this SlotTracker thing always works OK? The risk with any third party tool is that it doesn't always parse things correctly. And also are we content with the input data of 1/195, I assume that's verified?
Certainly with both DOA1 and DOA2, you can only really hit big in the bonus round (and the five scatters), so your RTP is going to be hurt especially badly if you're behind the curve on bonus round frequency.
I wouldn't call shenanigans with your numbers yet, but I'd certainly expect that bonus round frequency to start to normalise down over the next few ten thousand spins or so.
I stopped using SlotTracker a few years ago. But at that time it was only registering the bonus feature on the MGS version and not the NextGen version (or maybe it was the other way around). So not only was the bonus frequency wrong but the actual winnings from the bonus weren't registered.
It doesn't look like anything has changed either. Here's a screenshot of the community data from SlotTracker...
(note the warning from SlotTracker that the bonus figures might be wrong)
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I stopped using SlotTracker a few years ago. But at that time it was only registering the bonus feature on the MGS version and not the NextGen version (or maybe it was the other way around). So not only was the bonus frequency wrong but the actual winnings from the bonus weren't registered.
It doesn't look like anything has changed either. Here's a screenshot of the community data from SlotTracker...
(note the warning from SlotTracker that the bonus figures might be wrong)
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Just managed to withdraw £190 from winning £13 on free spins offer from Mr Vegas on Bonanza. Took me 3 days of wagering because I'd put a limit of £500 on wagering rather than a £500 deposit limit! Doh.Just to add some contrast to my previous post,here was my bonus today on a raised stake of £1.
I'd suggest not playing it every day and coming back to it after a break. You will drive yourself bonkers.Just once I would like to hit the average, this is really getting out of hand, cant remember the last time I even got near to x 100 on this and I am playing it every day.
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