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I just can't believe I saw my mouse pointer reveal to me how many posts I'd contributed here, as it hovered near the Bonanza thread. About 1600! That's like......30 percent!

Wow at last something interesting in this thread. Never knew you could see amount of posts you have made in a thread by doing that. Somehow i have made 160 posts in here.

Anyway we know you like to joke. So i will assume this was a joke. Or do you seriously get 1600 posts out of 20,000 about 30 percent.
 
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So by all accounts then, were the likes of Evolution/ BTG to intentionally lower the RTP through one of their many stealth 'updates', and the player experiences the worst sub-RTP in existence over say 100,000 spins, it can be simply shrugged off as the game's variance?

So ultimately they have the final say on what's occurring, and have no reason to be pulled up anything, ever. Because.....how dare one question them?

I see.....?
Can’t disagree with that but it’s not just them. All the other providers update games constantly.

According to them it’s simply to keep up with windows, IOS, android and various other operating system changes. Plus to iron out any bugs.

It would be better if each version enhancement was explained in some kind of help file within the game itself. Let the consumer end know of what has gone on.

Trance talks a good game with regards to rules and regs but there have been instances over the last few years which proves these are not always adhered to. Coral showing wrong RTP. The bent provider running the game in free play at a stupidly high RTP. Both of which aren’t allowed to happen.

Neither of these should of been allowed to happen but did and with little comeback.

So you can see why you get the paranoid players piping up.
 
The game isn't 'bent' but simply has awful RTP distribution due to the high variance and unlike other HV slots, it doesn't seem to make up swings in consistent play. I bet if I had chosen DoA or DoA2 for that period and amount of spins, I would have had numerous wildlines and wins over 5000x on the former, or even 30-40000x on the latter. Just by sheer weight of numbers. And that's the only thing that gets me regarding Bonanza - how daft I was chasing the rainbow of the 'potential' 10k x in the feature when in reality all I got was a third of that twice and a quarter once. And never saw an 8+-scatter trigger, only once got 1000x in the base game. If nothing else, the Bonanza slot is the master of illusion and irrational hopes and expectation. The 'psych-ops' of online slotting.

This is the crux of it for me, BTG have come up with a really pernicious maths model for Bonanza and it seems to have worked very well in sucking a lot of folks into chasing dream hits that simply never materialise.

Bonanza has a superb bonus round, I've always said that, with the combo of Megaways and the rising multiplier (allegedly unlimited.... lol), BTG created a very effective hook, and it caught a lot of players.

That monstrous churn of RTP in the base game, along with a stupidly hard to trigger bonus round, and the pays in the bonus rounds themselves being very oddly distributed, leads to a situation whereby once you're significantly behind, the chances of ever getting back to level pegging are extremely remote, unless you start playing very big stakes and chance a decent bonus round.

Yes of course you'll eventually get to T-RTP, but the way the game does it means by the time you hit the 96%, you'll be a long way down.

And I'm speaking as someone whose overall stats on Bonanza are up, I didn't even lose on it, but I still stopped playing it.

I can't say if the game has changed or not, but my suspicion is that the maths model on Bonanza is sufficiently fiendish and complex to be capable of providing a huge variance in player experiences, significantly beyond what a lot of other slots are capable of, which can lead to some folks swearing blind it's been 'rigged'.
 
Yes Dazza i referenced your play over the last year as a counter to Snorks gameplay.

It’s at this period he claims the game has been fucked with. Your gameplay over the last 12 months completely negates that theory.

For us regular players I can bet we will all be within 1% either side of 96% if you were to add all our spins together across all sites.

It’s only natural we would have peaks and troughs at our various casinos.
 
These observations have been formed over close to six years' continuous play, not some fly-by-night Bonanza bash.

There's nothing peculiar about noticing a game's mechanics shifting to be more evenly distributed via patchy updates, and calling out their meddling in an already well-trodden path, no matter how few the spins
 
Even if and it’s an almighty IF, the game is running as it always did, then shouldn’t there be some other kind of standard the game has to pass, In as much as, taking hundreds if not thousands of pounds to trigger a bonus that on average (allegedly) pays x100?

That doesn’t seem morally or ethically right Imo.

What I will add is that the game did seem to change periodically over the first 5 years but it wasn’t until EVOLUTION took over that it changed beyond recognition.

Just coincidence? Well, there have been plenty of rumblings regarding EVOLUTION and generally, there’s no smoke without fire.

Another thing that never happened to me in the first 5 years was depositing and wagering ridiculously huge amounts without seeing a bonus, it never happened but since then, I have probably 30-40 instances of wagering £1,000 and sometimes £2,000 without seeing a bonus. That just stinks of something is wrong.

At least 6 of these instances have been at Party Casino, where the game goes unbelievably long periods without a bonus. I have even pm’d BTG and explained one of the worst sessions and got a reply from Nick, who said and I quote, “that doesn’t seem possible”. I asked him if he would kindly look into it but never got a reply.

I wonder why? :rolleyes:
 
I'm not overly pleased with this Referendum. I'd like another one :p

All I've got from this discourse is that Bonanza's always been a little bit bent, but in a fair way, except now we're seeing it's become even more bent, with some sites hosting super-gimped versions?

I despair
 
Lol...I retrieved the previous year's losses, gradually. That wasn't my best ever run, that took place at Casumo in my old euro account there, made 12-13k euros in a few weeks. Sky Vegas was a disaster for me, I had 94% stats from Bonanza during my total time there, and an incredibly bad 90% on Starclusters. So over the last 2 years, before I ran out of UKGC casinos, I finished about par on it, what I consider to be extremely fortunate. I actually checked bank statements a couple of weeks ago, as I can go back 6 years until when I first played it. It's difficult to be exact, because I lost on The Rapist and Twin Spin etc. too, but based on the assumption I played 80% of my time on Bonanza my net losses over that period are worse than I actually thought, approx 24k and over 30k overall including the sessions I played other slots.

Considering the vast turnover I had on it, I would say my RTP was actually around 95%, it's hard to be accurate. So not great, but not as depressing as if it had been say 92% as that would have made that 24k well over 50k.

Having now had well over a month off of it, I can't say I miss the game or gambling at all for that matter. The game isn't 'bent' but simply has awful RTP distribution due to the high variance and unlike other HV slots, it doesn't seem to make up swings in consistent play. I bet if I had chosen DoA or DoA2 for that period and amount of spins, I would have had numerous wildlines and wins over 5000x on the former, or even 30-40000x on the latter. Just by sheer weight of numbers. And that's the only thing that gets me regarding Bonanza - how daft I was chasing the rainbow of the 'potential' 10k x in the feature when in reality all I got was a third of that twice and a quarter once. And never saw an 8+-scatter trigger, only once got 1000x in the base game. If nothing else, the Bonanza slot is the master of illusion and irrational hopes and expectation. The 'psych-ops' of online slotting.

Looking back, the final year I had on it was my luckiest ever and I am surprised and even grateful it occurred, as it made what would have been a very painful 5-year net loss of nearly 40k into a more bearable, albeit still dreadful one of around 24k. So I am glad I cut my losses, literally and have no plans to return to it even if I can find a new UKGC site or crapto one, if they have the game.

One final word of advice - if you are well down like me, and are enduring a sub-par RTP in the medium term, remove all optimism and expectation from your mindset - you'll NEVER retrieve the situation and that statement carries more weight and reality the longer you've been playing the game. :cool:
how can you categorically say the games not bent ???? DROP ME OUT. it’s absolutely fucking filth and they’ve messed with it and made it totally beyond reproach. the rtp has been lowered 100% and they’ve also nerfed the bonus within a inch of its life. facts
 
Even if and it’s an almighty IF, the game is running as it always did, then shouldn’t there be some other kind of standard the game has to pass, In as much as, taking hundreds if not thousands of pounds to trigger a bonus that on average (allegedly) pays x100?

That doesn’t seem morally or ethically right Imo.

What I will add is that the game did seem to change periodically over the first 5 years but it wasn’t until EVOLUTION took over that it changed beyond recognition.

Just coincidence? Well, there have been plenty of rumblings regarding EVOLUTION and generally, there’s no smoke without fire.

Another thing that never happened to me in the first 5 years was depositing and wagering ridiculously huge amounts without seeing a bonus, it never happened but since then, I have probably 30-40 instances of wagering £1,000 and sometimes £2,000 without seeing a bonus. That just stinks of something is wrong.

At least 6 of these instances have been at Party Casino, where the game goes unbelievably long periods without a bonus. I have even pm’d BTG and explained one of the worst sessions and got a reply from Nick, who said and I quote, “that doesn’t seem possible”. I asked him if he would kindly look into it but never got a reply.

I wonder why? :rolleyes:
exactly my point. yes the game could be a bastard to bonus but prior to gamstop it was bordering on absolute insanity. deposit £50 no bonus end up depositing £600-£800 no bonus across all sites. rage and not play for a week go back to it thinking it will compensate and drop one in but no again another fruitless vile robbing experience. so towards the end it wasn’t even compensating just plain thievery ????
 
Yeah, the game is totally indefensible by anyone who has played it long term, surely.

My latest stat at Party Casino, £340 deposited, wagered £1636 and didn’t see a single bonus until, it dropped with £6 left playing 60p. Result=£5.97. I’d rather it hadn’t bothered, it just adds insult to injury.

Anyway, that’s it for me, I am done with online scamming, I mean slotting or do I?

I am in the process of getting all the info, I need before closing accounts. Might leave Unibet open for a football bet but that’ll be it.

What was once an enjoyable pastime has been ruined by the greed of Casinos and providers alike. I never trusted any of it from day one and I am quite surprised I lasted this long. It was actually fun at times but that was in the days when it genuinely felt like the games paid the said percentage.
 
Astounding isn't it, how much blind faith is placed upon the maths model (that no one can make head nor tail off), the numerous patches (that aim to eradicate 'bugs') and the ownership change by a company known for its transparency and 'customer service'.

The mere mention of a game playing alien to what it had before, by seasoned players, is akin to Hate Speech, as the industry can do no wrong.

And sample? What sample! Your puny amount of spins is nothing but a drop in the ocean, as no living creature great or small could ever attain the billions of spins needed to prove something was 'off'.

Sounds like legalized theft if anything. Lost £1000 on 20p bets without a bonus? That's too bad. It's the variunz you see!

Imagine any other sector pulling this kind of nonsense

Dear Sir

Hope you are well, and thankyou for contacting us.

We have looked into your concerns, and found yours to be exceptional. We pride ourselves on testing our products through millions of spin cycles, but see that on this occasion, your washing machine blew up.

Unlucky

Ted DiBiase, Hotpoint CEO
 
Yeah, it’s bullet proof from their side because of what’s in place should anyone have the audacity to question the legitimacy of it all.

This happened: Your unlucky
This happened: It’s random
This happened: 2,000,000 spins not enough
This happened: I can assure you that all our games are tested
And so on.

Yeah, despite a considerable number of people questioning things, we are all wrong, deluded, seeing things, need putting in a straight jacket, etc, etc.

All the times, I have questioned things, I was always met with, where’s your proof. Yet never have I seen or been provided any proof to the contrary.
 
how can you categorically say the games not bent ???? DROP ME OUT. it’s absolutely fucking filth and they’ve messed with it and made it totally beyond reproach. the rtp has been lowered 100% and they’ve also nerfed the bonus within a inch of its life. facts

Well that settles it then, case closed, the prosecution rests.
 
it’s really quite funny that you think this industry is above board ??????????

I used to routinely rip 'the industry' a new arsehole on my old YouTube channel for all sorts of reasons, and I've made loads of posts criticising the industry here at CM, again, for all sorts of reasons. I just don't think in this specific case that you've got a leg to stand on, simply a load of endless accusations backed up with nothing except hot air and dark insinuations.

I voted with my wallet when it came to BTG's output ages ago, and stopped playing their games, not because I think they're bent or rigged, but because I hate their maths models, volatility, and shit QA when it comes to pumping out buggy games.
 
Well one does have to wonder, if games are 'tested' via billions of simulated spins, thoroughly checked, then released (though often in an unfinished or broken state), then constantly 'patched' and so forth, why a paying customer's not allowed to raise any doubts without having the industry close ranks.

But why would the public have access to the processes involved I hear you cry? Just consume the slop and shut up already!

Which is handy, because if found to playing absolutely terribly, well then it's just 'bad luck', the wild constructs of an over imaginative mind, the delusions of a disgruntled player. It could never be the company you see - they don't make mistakes.

At what point is 'suspect' slot behaviour properly acknowledged, other than being labelled that person's subjective truth? Because constantly saying everything's above board in a shroud of secrecy doesn't make it so.

(but stuffed brown envelopes, do)
Why would it have to be the same chance every spin? I mean, it has to be a constant chance on the press of the start button, but if it then chooses reel bands that don't have booked symbols on them, but instead has lots of stacks of a high symbol (for instance), that's perfectly legal, still random and pretty much how most games work..
 
been battered of late on Bonanza,anyway i was down to about last £7 when it dropped 2 +5 in,at least it paid this time
 

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The below is copied directly from a reply via the Casino, Spinrider (White Hat group). I had to wait 10 days to receive it, (really that difficult?). I knew my rtp was bad there just going from memory and how badly, the version plays. Not sure how many spins but it’s in the tens of thousands and 9% below trtp. “You just got unlucky snork”. Heard that before.

We have analysed your account activity for the game Bonanza. Your stakes and winnings show your pay-out winning percentage (RTP%) is 87.71%.
 
The below is copied directly from a reply via the Casino, Spinrider (White Hat group). I had to wait 10 days to receive it, (really that difficult?). I knew my rtp was bad there just going from memory and how badly, the version plays. Not sure how many spins but it’s in the tens of thousands and 9% below trtp. “You just got unlucky snork”. Heard that before.

We have analysed your account activity for the game Bonanza. Your stakes and winnings show your pay-out winning percentage (RTP%) is 87.71%.
yep something very shady about rtp on Bonanza,at videoslots and mr vegas it plays the worst of the worst
 
We have analysed your account activity for the game Bonanza. Your stakes and winnings show your pay-out winning percentage (RTP%) is 87.71%.
Hard volatility makes pretty weird things. I see my Razor shark stats from this year 20717 spins RTP 79,80%. It's 17 points below theoretical.
Maybe a five-figure spin count is not enough to analyze things further. The concept of volatility is sometimes difficult to understand
 
And pretty much every site you can think off. Even though SKY told me I was running at 96%, I don’t believe them. Their version absolutely stinks and I ran worse there than anywhere else so no, not a chance.

I will stick my neck out here and say that something very dodgy is going on at Videoslots. Not just concerning Bonanza but on the whole.

For years my deposit/withdrawals ratio had steadyish pattern to it. Never seemed to go on extremely long loosing spells. I would hit 4 or 5 decent sized wins in any given month, etc.

For the last 12 months it was a completely different story. Loosing session after loosing session. Hitting my loss limit 4 times, when that had never happened once in the previous 7 years. (Not playing games which advertised lower rtp’s)

I have been requesting as much info as I can from Casinos just to back up what I already thought. SOMETHING ISN’T RIGHT.

At pretty much every one that I have analysed so far, I have lost the same amount in the past 12-18 months than I had in the previous 5-6 years. That’s pretty alarming to be fair.

I am also not convinced by the rng thing and never have been. About 2 years ago, I noticed on a few occasions that a game (95% of the time, Bonanza) would suddenly start playing as if it was broken (should I say, more broken). On returning to the lobby, I would find that I wasn’t logged in but my balance still read correctly.

This was only happening at a couple of Casinos. As time went on, I started to become familiar and recognise the spell of the game seemingly change mode. Sure enough, I would return to the lobby to find I was not logged in.

In the next 18 months this started happening much more frequently and at all Casinos and the game would always play notably worse once this was happening.

How is it even possible to be able to continue playing when you are not logged in? I can’t answer that but because it’s possible, it raises many questions for me.
 
Hard volatility makes pretty weird things. I see my Razor shark stats from this year 20717 spins RTP 79,80%. It's 17 points below theoretical.
Maybe a five-figure spin count is not enough to analyze things further. The concept of volatility is sometimes difficult to understand
That’s another thing, there is a misconception that Bonanza was a highly volatile game. Bonanza was without doubt low- medium volatility. Ask any player that played it regularly enough in the first 4 years and they would probably say, it gave more gameplay than any other slot for your deposit.

It shouldn’t be that HV with so much rtp in the base game. It now plays like a HV game but it isn’t by default. A HV game should be capable of giving extremely lengthy spells without paying anything (which it does now) but by the same definition should be capable of paying extremely high wins (which it certainly doesn’t and never has done).

Comparing it to Razor Shark, is a bit apples and oranges, when one can deliver x50,000? The other, apart from the extremely rare occasion never delivers above x1,000 (I think, I had around 20 in over 4,000 bonuses and only 2 that broke x2,000)
 
Last saturday morning i played Bonanzaon 40p per spin. 500 spins i think before bonus 200x. After it i left it on autospins for another 500 when cleaning my car ( looking at it once for a while) . Last time i checked my balance went up from 150 e up to 950 euros and i wonder what did i hit !! I did few more spins at 1 e and left . I wanted to check history for that win. I loged back few hours later to find my balance back to 150 e with no trace of big win not even 1 e spins . I played on jonnyjackpot
 
Bonanza's never going to break Curremon, Never i tell ye!

Hang your head in shame Snorky - this is what commitment to the cause looks like :p

I keep finding worse and worse versions.... This must Be worst ive Ever played tho..

My first session there few days ago:


"I hope you are well!

Checked your RTP now; Not high at all

32,69% on a 96% setting.

Total bets: 347.60
Total wins: 113.64
Total spins: 514

Have a good evening!

Kind regards

Kevin
Senior Customer Service Agent



Casino Casino"
 
Remember you’re ‘buying entertainment’

I suggest you buy numerous fence panels. Several tins of creosote paint and a nice SMALL brush. The smaller the better to make the work last longer.

Trust me it’s far more entertaining than waiting 2-3 hours for a bonus that will generally be utter horse shit.
What if he lives in a third floor apartment?
 
Nobody that plays Bonanza lives in anything more luxurious than a cardboard box, surely.

Online slotting for UK players has had its day. It’s just a complete farce nowadays. I think providers and Casinos are just taking what they can, while they can.

Checking out my rtp at every Casino I play and it has dropped at least 5% at virtually all of them in the past 18 months.

Yeah, “ it’s just bad luck”. Yeah, like bollox it is.
 
Pardon my french...holy fucking macaroni!

Base game and diamonds:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:

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Smashes the old CM base game record of 48x 6OAK diamonds on max MW paying 2400x, in fact that beats Goatie's green gems in the bonus for over 4400x. You are the Big Dick of this thread now....
 
Smashes the old CM base game record of 48x 6OAK diamonds on max MW paying 2400x, in fact that beats Goatie's green gems in the bonus for over 4400x. You are the Big Dick of this thread now....
People have be calling me that since i was 16 - good to know it's now been validated via the internet :p
 

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