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Bonanza Slots at Casinomeister
snorky510238 said:
Can’t believe he’s still got a balance left.

I would absolutely love @Videoslots to post my stat’s for the past 12 months (probably 18 to be fair). Imagine the worst run of gameplay you have ever had, x it by 10 and that’s about where it’s at.

I am not just talking Bonanza here. I am talking pretty much every god damn pice of shite, that site hosts. I stick at it (wrongly) believing there will be some recompense but no, just deposit after deposit disappearing quicker than putting notes through a shredder.

Absolutely disgusting, including 3 runs of 60+ deposits in a row without doubling the initial deposit. So come on @Videoslots, I am calling you out here. Come and defend yourselves, if you have nothing to hide and I am making it all up.

My stat’s there don’t even come close to being as good as any other site that I play the same games on, and I consider 90% of those sites, piss poor.

So come on, don’t hide behind the curtains and let some over zealous keyboard warrior, tarnish your reputation. Get your wonderful, loved by all Casino, to show people just how crap people can run at your site.

I promise you in good faith, you’d be shocked, even Chopley would have to have a think about it.

N.B. Please don’t tell me, I can produce my own stat’s, I’ve tried, it whirls away for hours and downloads nothing. Also, if this post needs moving to the VS thread, please do so. I didn’t start a new thread title as I would have received a lifetime ban. :laugh:
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Nah, 4% house edge remember, :p :p :p
 
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ChopleyIOM said:
Honestly feels like the same old Bonanza to me, here's the stats after having it lumping away for just over three hours in autoplay, I'll call it here with a solid hit in the basegame (max Megaways wankathon). I'll pick it up again tomorrow and continue to track the stats.

BIG BONANZA STATS:

100 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £86.65p left
200 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £76.14p left
300 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £66.50p left
348 spins - Autoplay stop trigger hit, 79x, £75.28p left
448 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £78.87p left
504 spins - FEATURE TRIGGER - 109x pay, £96.94p left
590 spins - Autoplay stop trigger hit, 50x, £103.48p left
690 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £99.92p left
790 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £89.24p left
890 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £87.23p left
990 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £82.24p left
1090 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £83.93p left
1190 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £77.32p left
1220 spins - FEATURE TRIGGER - 2.5x pay (wanker!) £74.14p left
1320 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £62.70p left
1420 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £55.38p left
1520 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £45.67p left
1620 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £41.60p left
1679 spins - Autoplay stop trigger hit, 168x, £69.63p left

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So for those who are interested…..

So if those figures are correct ( no reason they wouldn’t be from chops ) and bearing in mind it’s a small sample, and assuming they were all 20p spins….

Base = 84.07%
Feature = 6.64%
Total = 90.71%

Which is most likely theoretically down to the feature value currently at only 55x ave

Look forward to your next data post ?
 
snorky510238 said:
As stated above @Videoslots are running one of the worst versions of Bonanza ever seen. It’s an absolute disgrace and no it’s just my imagination or bad luck.

Come on @Videoslots, defend yourselves. Post my stats for the past two years and prove I am wrong. Or are you afraid to show the boys and girls what a twisted underhanded version you’re accommodating?
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TBH snorks, you can just get them to tell you and you tell us?
 
Reelsoffun said:
TBH snorks, you can just get them to tell you and you tell us?
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Well if I had a day to waste, yes. My lifetime Bonanza is 94%, I know that much. My issue is that in the last 12-18 months my rtp on EVERY game has plummeted (except Pirots), how can you rationally explain that? It’s more than just horrendous luck and most of the games I play, supposedly have only 1 rtp.
 
slotmaster said:
What is a GOLD again?
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GOLD:-

Allegedly, an event that takes place about as often as a sighting of Halley’s Comet. Although, experts say the comparison is widely exaggerated and in reality, it’s far less often.

The event itself, consists of 10 symbols that randomly (oops, there goes another rib), fall into a 6x6 grid, that can vary in size up to an alleged 117,649 ways, although again, experts say the Loch Ness monster has more chance of being sighted.

During the event there is also a scrolling reel above the grid. In each of the four windows, any one of the 10 symbols can appear plus the possibility of two other added symbols that do not appear on the main grid, these being wilds and carts.

There is also a function known as an unlimited multiplier, in play. Again, experts have stated that this is a mythical term and can hardly be applied to a numerical sequence that rarely exceeds 30. Each time a winning combination is achieved, the players stake value is in effect, increased by 1x the stake.

Winning combinations consist of a minimum of 3oak (2 for diamonds) of the same symbol appearing on the grid in any position, reading, left to right. This is where the carts are particularly useful, as they can be strategically placed, to prevent the player from achieving huge winning combinations.

If a player is fortunate enough to witness the rare occurrence of the multiplier reaching 10x their stake, the wild symbol will usually only appear in positions where it is totally useless. With this scenario it is also common to see the number of carts that appear, default to 2 and appear on every spin, which again, ensures that the player is incensed to the max.
 
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Reelsoffun said:
So for those who are interested…..

So if those figures are correct ( no reason they wouldn’t be from chops ) and bearing in mind it’s a small sample, and assuming they were all 20p spins….

Base = 84.07%
Feature = 6.64%
Total = 90.71%

Which is most likely theoretically down to the feature value currently at only 55x ave

Look forward to your next data post ?
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Spot on! My own numbers agree with the VS backend and your 90.71% RTP figure is bang on the nose too.

As you correctly note it's a very small spin sample but it does back up what some of us always maintain about Bonanza, that with so much consistent RTP and churn in the basegame, you're always going to be within shouting distance of RTP, with the feature events and the pays of those features generally being what'll determine if you're above or below target. Although last night my biggest win was actually off the basegame.

I'm recording everything with Bandicam so am verifying the numbers as I go, as you can see I counted 1679 spins last night, and so did the VS backend.

I've experienced far worse sessions on modern slots than what Bonanza did last night, and I've still got £70 left from my deposit. That 3 Lucky Leprechauns had £100 off me on 20p spins in less time than Bonanza took just £30 off me last night.

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So we head into day two of this grand endeavour.

GOOD NEWS - Feature trigger after just 18 spins!

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LESS GOOD NEWS - It paid 7.25x stake and achieved a momentous 5x multiplier.

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LOL...so about 1750 spins and 4 features, that's one every 437 spins, bang on average thus far. Now when I get a deposit lasting a few hours and multiple features I always get comments about 'impossible!' or 'never happens for me' and 'this is bollocks, I played 234,098,457 spins last week with no GOLD'....

It's quite funny to get the standard 20-40x stinker as I notice that occurs most frequently, as I often moan about in my sessions. So average feature frequency thus far, below average returns from them.
 
So 5 features, average around 80x, slightly lower than they should be but not far from the 86-ish average. This is where I would raise stakes to 40p and play down to say 70-80 quid to try your luck, before reverting to 20p again.
 
Current stats, feature frequency running at 1/365 so I'm ahead of the curve in that regard, but as dunover notes, average pay is still a little on the low side. That 2.5x on the extreme low end is hurting a lot, but the 239.55x has repaired a good chunk of the damage.

Off to quite the start today though, three features in 130 spins. I suspect that's probably about as good as it's going to get.

I'm prepared to play this deposit down to a bust to get some more numbers recorded.

For me though, this is exactly the same Bonanza I remember playing years ago.

BIG BONANZA STATS:

DAY ONE:

100 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £86.65p left
200 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £76.14p left
300 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £66.50p left
348 spins - Autoplay stop trigger hit, 79x, £75.28p left
448 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £78.87p left
504 spins - FEATURE TRIGGER - 109x pay, £96.94p left
590 spins - Autoplay stop trigger hit, 50x, £103.48p left
690 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £99.92p left
790 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £89.24p left
890 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £87.23p left
990 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £82.24p left
1090 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £83.93p left
1190 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £77.32p left
1220 spins - FEATURE TRIGGER - 2.5x pay (wanker!), £74.14p left
1320 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £62.70p left
1420 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £55.38p left
1520 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £45.67p left
1620 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £41.60p left
1679 spins - Autoplay stop trigger hit, 168x, £69.63p left

DAY TWO:

1697 spins - FEATURE TRIGGER - 7.25x pay, £69.16p left
1736 spins - FEATURE TRIGGER - 31.8x pay, £74.96p left
1827 spins - FEATURE TRIGGER (Six scatters), 239.55x, £113.95p left
 
I can see similarities to my play here. I am more of a risk-taker than @ChopleyIOM - he has a considerable 500 credits here whereas I do higher stakes and load 100 credits. Result is numerous twattings of 20-30 minutes play with no features, or 1 shit feature but when it goes okay I double stakes and either get in a minority of cases a substantial raise or bust out a good balance, much to the dismay of my YT subs. But I am not led by practicalities as much as chopley is, I feed a desire to have bad quick sessions and lots of comical moaning and conspiracy comments, or the adrenaline of big wins.

So let's transpose this chopley effort - he has put in 500 credits so let's break them down to how I would have replicated this over FIVE separate deposits.

I would have started with 100 credits, in this case £20 - as you saw, he left it last night at just under £70 so he would have produced a hour-plus video with 2 features but bust, having had a decent turnover, but a losing session.

Next up (I am now £20 down) so a second £20 goes in and at bedtime that is down to £9.63 (where he left it last night.)
As you can see by his play, a decent burst of 3 features including the 6-scatter trigger occurs, now that £9.63 is up to £53.95 afterwards.
At that juncture, I am now in a comfort zone where I can set a withdrawal point of £40 (thus doubling the second £20 deposit) and raise the stakes to 40p until I hit that mark or possibly have more luck and go higher than the £53.95, maybe raising again and raising the withdrawal point accordingly. Either way it will be a winning video.

So chopley is pretty much reproducing the same sort of play I experience.

On the side of @snorky510238 I have in the past made the same comments he has. Most notably, the first Starclusters slot where I was so pissed-off with the play that I asked SkyV for my data on the game, only the second time I ever felt compelled to ask a casino for this info. I believe this affair is documented somewhere in this thread btw. I was given stats of 27,000-odd spins and a RTP of just shy or just over 91%, way off the mark. I even skyped Nik at BTG with this data screenshot and asked if there was a 90-92% version of this game in existence as I couldn't believe the drift on a lower-variance game I was having. He was surprised how bad it was too.

Conclusion - pretty much as many people here and chopley have said all along, and myself in sane moments: you are playing quite a volatile game with billions of outcomes designed to relieve you of 4p in the £........this means you can experience spells of tens of thousands of spins and then be way below or above the mark and due to said volatility would need a huge amount of spins at the casino you play at to level out at say +/- 1% of the 96% RTP.

Nothing to see here really...
 
snorky510238 said:
Carry on posting and playing every day for 5 years and it might mean something.

Jeez!!! Talk about double standards and angenda’s, pots and kettles.
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Well show us that damning dossier of evidence you claim to have then. I'm the one who's actually chucked some time and money at this to record some, y'know, real numbers.

(SPOILER ALERT - It's going to turn out that Bonanza runs to a 96% RTP, has a 1/460 feature frequency which leads to a much higher than average feature pay of 86x, but also has substantially more RTP in the basegame than most slots.)
 
CongoGB said:
It's nice to see some actual sensible/realistic posting here for a change - like the old days when people played and then posted here for "fun"!

But I also made the thread more fun by hitting the ignore button on someone, so 90% of the tin foil hattery has disappeared for me :D
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To be fair, I always thought Nutnut added to the thread.
 
ChopleyIOM said:
Spot on! My own numbers agree with the VS backend and your 90.71% RTP figure is bang on the nose too.

As you correctly note it's a very small spin sample but it does back up what some of us always maintain about Bonanza, that with so much consistent RTP and churn in the basegame, you're always going to be within shouting distance of RTP, with the feature events and the pays of those features generally being what'll determine if you're above or below target. Although last night my biggest win was actually off the basegame.

I'm recording everything with Bandicam so am verifying the numbers as I go, as you can see I counted 1679 spins last night, and so did the VS backend.

I've experienced far worse sessions on modern slots than what Bonanza did last night, and I've still got £70 left from my deposit. That 3 Lucky Leprechauns had £100 off me on 20p spins in less time than Bonanza took just £30 off me last night.

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Yeah it’s a shame VS don’t give you a break down of RTP eg base vs feature but if you give me the same info as before it’s not hard to calculate. A lot of people dont seem to know how to separate them but it’s easy if you stay on the same stake, like you did, otherwise it’s much more messy to calculate.
 
Final results are in and the surprising conclusion is..... Eventually a random game with a 4% house edge will take your money off you. I know, stop the press, right?

It's impossible to overstate how much the entire experience just felt completely like the Bonanza of old to me, that 1/460 feature frequency is going to do weird things and create a terrible sense of 'sunk cost fallacy' that very often won't be rewarded, the feature is great (although often frustrating!) when you do land it, and the basegame with its 76% RTP (or thereabouts I believe is assigned to it) will eventually grind you down.

Honestly, I've had far worse £100 deposits recently and I wouldn't rule out actually giving Bonanza a slot back in the rotation again, as long as I can mainly just play on my PS5 and pay attention to Bonanza when a feature (occasionally....) lands :D

Here are the final stats:

BIG BONANZA STATS:

DAY ONE:

100 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £86.65p left
200 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £76.14p left
300 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £66.50p left
348 spins - Autoplay stop trigger hit, 79x, £75.28p left
448 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £78.87p left
504 spins - FEATURE TRIGGER - 109x pay, £96.94p left
590 spins - Autoplay stop trigger hit, 50x, £103.48p left
690 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £99.92p left
790 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £89.24p left
890 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £87.23p left
990 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £82.24p left
1090 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £83.93p left
1190 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £77.32p left
1220 spins - FEATURE TRIGGER - 2.5x pay (wanker!), £74.14p left
1320 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £62.70p left
1420 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £55.38p left
1520 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £45.67p left
1620 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £41.60p left
1679 spins - Autoplay stop trigger hit, 168x, £69.63p left

DAY TWO:

1697 spins - FEATURE TRIGGER - 7.25x pay, £69.16p left
1736 spins - FEATURE TRIGGER - 31.8x pay, £74.96p left
1827 spins - FEATURE TRIGGER (six scatters), 239.55x pay, £113.95p left
1927 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £106.92p left
2027 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £98.78p left
2127 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £87.72p left
2142 spins - FEATURE TRIGGER - 136.35x pay, £113.23p left
2242 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £103.24p left
2320 spins - FEATURE TRIGGER - 25.9x pay, £97.56p left
2420 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £91.20p left
2520 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £87.01p left
2620 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £79.52p left
2672 spins - Autoplay stop trigger hit, 87.7x, £95.44p left
2693 spins - FEATURE TRIGGER - 193.9x pay, £132.25p left
2793 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £120.03p left
2893 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £110.02p left
2993 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £101.45p left
3093 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £86.59p left
3193 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £74.01p left
3293 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £75.70p left
3393 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £70.63p left
3493 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £63.12p left
3544 spins - FEATURE TRIGGER - 32.15x pay, £66.87p left
3644 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £59.92p left
3731 spins - Autoplay stop trigger hit, 103.6x, £71.78p left
3831 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £60.58p left
3931 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £50.25p left
4031 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £39.04p left
4131 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £40.22p left
4231 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £40.04p left
4324 spins - FEATURE TRIGGER (five scatters), 19.75x pay, £36.45p left
4424 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £28.03p left
4524 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £14.74p left
4530 spins - FEATURE TRIGGER, 26.2x pay, £19.68p left
4630 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £8.75p left
4631 spins - FEATURE TRIGGER, 100.65x pay, £28.68p left
4731 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £17.95p left
4831 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £16.90p left
4931 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £4.38p left
4982 spins - BUST - THIS MOTHERFUCKER IS FUCKING RIGGED, FUCK YOU BONANZA!
 
ChopleyIOM said:
Final results are in and the surprising conclusion is..... Eventually a random game with a 4% house edge will take your money off you. I know, stop the press, right?

It's impossible to overstate how much the entire experience just felt completely like the Bonanza of old to me, that 1/460 feature frequency is going to do weird things and create a terrible sense of 'sunk cost fallacy' that very often won't be rewarded, the feature is great (although often frustrating!) when you do land it, and the basegame with its 76% RTP (or thereabouts I believe is assigned to it) will eventually grind you down.

Honestly, I've had far worse £100 deposits recently and I wouldn't rule out actually giving Bonanza a slot back in the rotation again, as long as I can mainly just play on my PS5 and pay attention to Bonanza when a feature (occasionally....) lands :D

Here are the final stats:

BIG BONANZA STATS:

DAY ONE:

100 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £86.65p left
200 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £76.14p left
300 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £66.50p left
348 spins - Autoplay stop trigger hit, 79x, £75.28p left
448 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £78.87p left
504 spins - FEATURE TRIGGER - 109x pay, £96.94p left
590 spins - Autoplay stop trigger hit, 50x, £103.48p left
690 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £99.92p left
790 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £89.24p left
890 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £87.23p left
990 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £82.24p left
1090 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £83.93p left
1190 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £77.32p left
1220 spins - FEATURE TRIGGER - 2.5x pay (wanker!), £74.14p left
1320 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £62.70p left
1420 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £55.38p left
1520 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £45.67p left
1620 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £41.60p left
1679 spins - Autoplay stop trigger hit, 168x, £69.63p left

DAY TWO:

1697 spins - FEATURE TRIGGER - 7.25x pay, £69.16p left
1736 spins - FEATURE TRIGGER - 31.8x pay, £74.96p left
1827 spins - FEATURE TRIGGER (six scatters), 239.55x pay, £113.95p left
1927 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £106.92p left
2027 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £98.78p left
2127 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £87.72p left
2142 spins - FEATURE TRIGGER - 136.35x pay, £113.23p left
2242 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £103.24p left
2320 spins - FEATURE TRIGGER - 25.9x pay, £97.56p left
2420 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £91.20p left
2520 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £87.01p left
2620 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £79.52p left
2672 spins - Autoplay stop trigger hit, 87.7x, £95.44p left
2693 spins - FEATURE TRIGGER - 193.9x pay, £132.25p left
2793 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £120.03p left
2893 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £110.02p left
2993 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £101.45p left
3093 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £86.59p left
3193 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £74.01p left
3293 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £75.70p left
3393 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £70.63p left
3493 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £63.12p left
3544 spins - FEATURE TRIGGER - 32.15x pay, £66.87p left
3644 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £59.92p left
3731 spins - Autoplay stop trigger hit, 103.6x, £71.78p left
3831 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £60.58p left
3931 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £50.25p left
4031 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £39.04p left
4131 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £40.22p left
4231 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £40.04p left
4324 spins - FEATURE TRIGGER (five scatters), 19.75x pay, £36.45p left
4424 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £28.03p left
4524 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £14.74p left
4530 spins - FEATURE TRIGGER, 26.2x pay, £19.68p left
4630 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £8.75p left
4631 spins - FEATURE TRIGGER, 100.65x pay, £28.68p left
4731 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £17.95p left
4831 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £16.90p left
4931 spins - No 50x stop trigger or feature, £4.38p left
4982 spins - BUST - THIS MOTHERFUCKER IS FUCKING RIGGED, FUCK YOU BONANZA!
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oh dear, some mild ammunition for snorky…… ? lower than ave features, lower than average RTP ? as he predicted ooops ?

4982 Spins
feature ave = 77.08x
feature spin ave = 1/415

Base = 71.32%
Feature = 18.57%
Total RTP= 89.89% rounded

So how many other people are going to track their gameplay for £100 to compare? ?
 
Reelsoffun said:
oh dear, some mild ammunition for snorky…… ? lower than ave features, lower than average RTP ? as he predicted ooops ?

4982 Spins
feature ave = 77.08x
feature spin ave = 1/415

Base = 71.32%
Feature = 18.57%
Total RTP= 89.89% rounded

So how many other people are going to track their gameplay for £100 to compare? ?
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That's true actually - on average 500 x 20p credits @ 96% should have lasted 12476 spins. So he could've withdrawn a profit and ended up with over 100% RTP at a couple of stages but kept on playing. Keep on playing and you will eventually, but always, LOSE.

He had a sub-par feature return (this is what ultimately cost him, as his base game RTP pretty much made the mark) and slightly above-average feature frequency.

So he had a session where the house edge was 250% of average (10% over 4%) and as a result only got approx 2/5 (40%) of the 'fun' he could expect as a long-term average.
 
brianmon said:
If you plot the balance of Chopley's Bonanza experiment.
It's interesting how the balance fluctuates a bit to start with.
But once that highest level is reached. it declines pretty steeply, apart from that one blip.
It's almost like 'NetEnt variance'

No doubt @snorky510238 will give his analysis

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Exactly my thoughts, this was sitting in my draft:

I see two distinctish patterns - up to spin 2693 - there was a battle where you were given the chance of getting ahead and leaving; after that the bust destination was set. A graph plotted to 30 min sections would prob show it quite well.

£130 on 20p is a decent wedge, reconstructed as a starting point in one of Dunover's recent £4 stake vids, it's a starting balance of £2,600 instead of £400. Like a 'doom' button was switched, that's the problem some of us have when we picture it against how a fully random game would behave. I think they're possibly using reel set changes to effectively accomplish what compensated games used to do.
 
This is one of the main stumbling blocks for me, when stating “random”.

During ANY session that is a winning one, your balance will hit its ceiling limit. Thereafter, it will just decline whether that be rapidly (usually) or over a longer period (death by 3oak), does vary.

That is exactly what I would expect to see from a game that is compensated. I am not saying that it’s impossible (if you play on) to supersede that initial ceiling but through experience and many, many attempts, I am saying, it’s highly, highly unlikely.

Does that seem random?
 
mack341 said:
Exactly my thoughts, this was sitting in my draft:

I see two distinctish patterns - up to spin 2693 - there was a battle where you were given the chance of getting ahead and leaving; after that the bust destination was set. A graph plotted to 30 min sections would prob show it quite well.

£130 on 20p is a decent wedge, reconstructed as a starting point in one of Dunover's recent £4 stake vids, it's a starting balance of £2,600 instead of £400. Like a 'doom' button was switched, that's the problem some of us have when we picture it against how a fully random game would behave. I think they're possibly using reel set changes to effectively accomplish what compensated games used to do.
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Or the alternative theory that why the heck would you continue playing a slot when you are ahead and beat the odds..... it is going to go one way only cause the more you play the more you lose eventually because that is what slots are designed to do
 
This is nuts, is there any result that wouldn't lead to the tea leaves being read and declaring that it's rigged?

If you lose it's rigged, if you win and then lose it's rigged, if you lose in a STRANGE SORT OF WAY it's rigged, if there is a PATTERN then it's rigged.

It seems to me that unless you keep on winning forever, which on a 96% random game is obviously never going to happen - it's rigged!

Yes the final decline from my high point to the bust out was pretty brutal, but let's not forget I did have a high point and could have withdrawn in profit on several occasions, and at one point hit the feature three times in 130 spins!

TBH if it weren't for the fact I was doing my big STATS TRACKING SESSION I'd have probably decamped to something else at the point my balance dipped back under £100 at the 3000 spin mark, not because I thought the 'compensation' was going to kick in, but because I felt I'd had a decent run at that point and fancied a change, but I figured I'd see it out to the end.

My take on this is it's the same old Bonanza it's always been, nothing about it felt any different to how it did when I played it back in the day, I also played it quite a few times on my old YT channel, always felt the same.

Wouldn't even rule out having another punt at it and repeating the stats tracking, it's quite good fun, in a nerdy numbers sort of way!
 
interlog said:
Why would you even play a game that you are claiming is gimped and corrupt? If you've got that much spare money, you can donate it to me if you like.
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The majority of that rtp was accrued over the first 4 years of release. Haven’t played it that much since the major gimping took place.

P.S. Anyone who can afford £4 spins on DHV, doesn’t need donations.
 
As someone who's played it as much anyone on here re Bonanza

I do think the variance has been altered - said before, more 1000x's plus in recent years at the expense of less 300-750x's

Does that make it gimped? Not too sure. Though i get why some may say so.

What's happened (imo) is people have equated different version releases (and ownership changes) with said shifts in their own play because it's always been a lumpy MV game to play for me and at it's core it's probably the same game as it was in 2017 etc, just with a different variance.
 
pinnit2014 said:
Well there must be:

Cos if someone did 1000 spins they'd be told: too small a sample (if bad)

Someone had a decent 5000 spin session: see, it's ok!

But therein lies the problem with RTP - a 10000, a million, a trillion, a Elon Musk Gazillion
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But the 'rigged' argument is totally unfounded, it's based on nothing apart from a 'feeling' based on MANY YEARS OF PLAY (because feelings over time beat actual mathematics, apparently), and stats came there none.

Does my tiny stats sample 'prove' anything? Of course not, it's a drop in the ocean, but as a snapshot of how a game plays it came in pretty much bang on where you'd expect within the realms of expected variance, basegame about right, feature frequency ahead of the curve, feature pay below the curve, which led to a disappointing RTP of just shy of 90% for the session.

The person to listen to here is dunover, a far more seasoned slots player (well, except at 3Dice :D ) than me with far more time into Bonanza, who made a comprehensive post analysing the play patterns the other day, and he concluded 'nothing to see here'. (Unless we're going to go down the extra bonus tinfoil hat rabbit hole of AFFILIATE RTP.)

As you say yourself pinnit, Bonanza is a really lumpy MV game with a very complex maths model and all sorts of shit going on with swapping out the reel bands based on what's going on, which it kind of needs to in order to still come in at 96% RTP.

Maybe, maybe they've tweaked the feature pay variance in the way you're describing (although I don't even remotely understand the point of them doing so), because all the other numbers still stack up exactly the same as they always have done.
 

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