Bodog's Domain Names Confiscated

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Do you honestly think that Calvin would step foot in the USA?

What do you also bet that the DoJ "encouraged" this lawsuit to be filed?
 

jetset

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1st Technologies has been successful in "persuading" a number of major online companies to license its Internet technology, it appears from googling the company and indeed from our own archived reports going back as far as 2005.

They must know that $49 million won't be easily obtained, and I'm guessing it's now all about an agreement on legal costs and licensing negotiation.

If 1st Technologies can add Bodog to it's growing list of licensees (which appears to include Playtech, Orbis-Openbet, Sportingbet and others) it will have again made its point and some cash to boot.

Bodog is in a tough position here - for all Ayre's bravado about a successful defence it seems to me that to contest this Bodog would have to accept a US court's jurisdiction over it, which could give rise to more extensive complications for its business.

Like you, I don't see Ayre risking a personal appearance in the US under present circumstances.

But the road to compromise looks to be still open.
 

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Bodogfight.com and Bodogbeat.com are now closed also.

I know Bodog wants to fight, but the branding damage all this is causing far exceeds $48M. I would negotiate a settlement ASAP.

While its doubtful that any officers of Bodog will want to appear in a US court there is no reason they couldnt have legal counsel appear to represent their interests.
 

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Bodogfight.com and Bodogbeat.com are now closed also.

I know Bodog wants to fight, but the branding damage all this is causing far exceeds $48M. I would negotiate a settlement ASAP.

While its doubtful that any officers of Bodog will want to appear in a US court there is no reason they couldnt have legal counsel appear to represent their interests.
What is the chance Calvin and his boys/girls would be subpoenaed? I have posted for months(search) along with Rollo and a few (very) others in regards to Calvin and either have been ignored (which is reasonable) or flipped off by most here in denial.I wonder if some will now have selective memories. My posts were not totally based on speculation fwiw but of course then again hearsay and a mans past as well as his challenges and mockery of the US government offers no gurantees either. At least, some of the supposed truth is starting to surface through the media now of Calvin's shady past........time will tell if his ship has started to sink.
 

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Scary stuff!



Why on earth do people keep say LOOSING?? There is no such word - the correct word is LOSING. You LOSE something, you dont LOOSE something. Sorry, but its my pet hate (besides pets that is)

I'm off to re-read the Oxford Concise....
"Loose" is a perfectly good English verb and you can certainly loose something, the only problem is that at least 90% of the time people mean "lose" when they write "loose".
 

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"Loose" is a perfectly good English verb and you can certainly loose something, the only problem is that at least 90% of the time people mean "lose" when they write "loose".

For people who don't speak English as their primary language, there are lots of "gotchas" when trying to learn English with similar-looking words, for example, lose and hose, bough and cough, brought and drought, etc.

It's a totally different situation when a native English-speaker uses "loose" in place of "lose", for example:

I wouldn't have been a looser if the slots were a little loser.

:lolup:

Anywho, back to Bodog... :p
 

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Yikes - didnt notice the nationality of the author there - in that situation, it's entirely forgivable. As for the others...... :mad:

"Loose" is a perfectly good English verb and you can certainly loose something, the only problem is that at least 90% of the time people mean "lose" when they write "loose".

Yes, except you would 'loosen' something to make it 'loose' - and I hope I'm not losing anything in the translation ;)

SIMMO - the only thing you have loose is a few screws :D

OK thats my soapbox session for this month......back to the old newbodog thing...
 

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Yikes - didnt notice the nationality of the author there - in that situation, it's entirely forgivable. As for the others...... :mad:



Yes, except you would 'loosen' something to make it 'loose' - and I hope I'm not losing anything in the translation ;)

SIMMO - the only thing you have loose is a few screws :D

OK thats my soapbox session for this month......back to the old newbodog thing...
Here is the definition from Marriam-Webster.

Main Entry: loose
Function: verb
Inflected Form(s): loosed; loosing
transitive verb
1 a : to let loose : RELEASE b : to free from restraint
2 : to make loose : UNTIE <loose a knot>
3 : to cast loose : DETACH
4 : to let fly : DISCHARGE
5 : to make less rigid, tight, or strict : RELAX
intransitive verb : to let fly a missile (as an arrow) : FIRE
 

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Some of the posters here are getting the story out in bits and drabs, but this is much for serious for Bodog than just the domain name thing.

This has nothing to do with Calvin being afraid to set foot on US soil. He could have lawyers do that. I've spoken with a lawyer who knows the whole story and Calvin's attitude was basically, bugger off, US law doesn't matter to me.

This patent has to do with being able to send large amounts of information, such as all the graphics that are on gaming sites, over limited bandwith networks. It's a legit company with a legit patent that has to do with technology. It has nothing to do with this Mel Molnick guy and Home Gaming Network.

I've managed to go over the legal documents and now have more or less the complete picture of what legal tactics the patent holder is using.They are devastating to Bodog and unsurviveable.

I have written about all this over at Offshore Gambling Digest Link Removed ( Old/Invalid) . I'm Coldeyeme there. It saves me going over all this again if people interested can just go over there. Cut and paste back here if you like.

Basically, the story is this. The judgment is based on the number of downloads of Bodog's gaming software per year into the US. It is this gaming software that the patent holder says violates his patent. I'm sure it must otherwise Bodog would have fought the case in the US. There is nothing stopping Bodog from sending lawyers to fight any case in the US. They have lawyers in the US dealing with this now, when it's too late. They were served properly and always knew this case was going on.

The amount owed comes to $10 million based on the outrageously exaggerated figures Calvin gave Bodog in all that crap over a year ago. He's now paying for millions of players he made up to impress Forbes. There's another $39 million owed for something called the "future value" of losses that will occur for illegal use of the patent in the future.

The domain name thing is just one of literally hundreds of bullets the patent holder can fire at any and all of the Bodog "entertainment" companies. They have a Nevada court order, subsequent to their initial judgment, which says that no person or business anywhere in the US can have any business dealings whatsoever with what are called the "Bodog Entities". That includes websites, affiliates, ISP's, anyone in the media who markets or promotes Bodog, anyone who tries to even get a penny to or from them, and yes, domain name registrars.

For instance, once they get around to it, they can get a court to stop gambling911 from showing Bodog's logo or in any way promoting the company or acting as an affiliate. If Major Wager operates its business from the US, or EOG does, they can be ordered by a court in their respective states to completely stop doing business with Bodog. No television station in the US can take Bodog ads or sell pay per vue on Bodog Fight.

They have a stranglehold on all Bodog business in the US. There is a bit of an enforcement issue outside of Nevada. Let's say ION Television in New York, which has just cancelled the Bodog Fight debacle, would have tried to sell pay per vue. The patent holder would have had to have had his injunction "enjoining" order "domesticated", i.e. approved by a New York state court, and then served on ION. That is just an example, but it may already have happened.

Every state where someone is doing business with Bodog has to domesticate the Nevada order and then that person or business is stopped from any further Bodog business.

The domain name registration company was a US company in Washington State. In August, the judgment and enjoining order was domesticated to Washington State and the other day the domain name got shut down. The only reason we know about it was that you couldn't load the site any more. Many other things may have already happened.

Anyways, I'm doing what I didn't want to do. These are the OGD thread links.

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Thank you for the information and links, Paddy.

Does the following statement:

It is this gaming software that the patent holder says violates his patent.

Imply that all casinos using Realtime Gaming software are violating the patent? Or is it because Bodog specifically didn't license something? Or is it not the casino software at all, but the sports/horses/etc. software which is the target of the lawsuit?
 

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Sorry Man, I don't know what RealTimeGaming software is. I don't think this guy has patented gaming software. He has patented some very technical method that is probably used in gaming software, but isn't the whole gaming package itself.

I know it reduces the bandwith required to play games online, and probably do a lot of other stuff online too. I know MGM Mirage pays him to use his patent and they wouldn't do that if he wasn't legit.

And in response to something somebody said above all this, yes, I'm not saying the DOJ is behind this, but it is so thoroughly done, such a complete stranglehold on Calvin, that it looks like some pretty serious legal brains went into it.

It kills Bodog. No question about that. A lot of other things over the past month make sense now that we know about all the things people can't do with Bodog now in the US. Bounced cheques, stories about processor problems, Calvin's supposed brainstorm in entering the US market, ION cancelling, Sherdog cancelling Bodog ads, the slow pays...

You know, I remember now that the problems with Bicer Medical, outside of the stock frauds, had to do with a patent for a heart valve and the inventor laughing at Calvin being made president of Bicer and refusing to allow that company to use his patent any more. Calvin just ignored him too.
 

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You think this has anything to do with payment problems? All sportsbooks seem to have the same problems. That being said there is no way I would be playing at Bodog right now. Maybe I'm just paranoid. FWIW I've never been a regular Bodog customer. I would probably feel more comfortable if I was.
 

jetset

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Thank you for the information and links, Paddy.

Does the following statement:

Imply that all casinos using Realtime Gaming software are violating the patent? Or is it because Bodog specifically didn't license something? Or is it not the casino software at all, but the sports/horses/etc. software which is the target of the lawsuit?

This isn't just about RTG software - the patent held by Dr. Scott Lewis and 1st Technologies is not software provider-specific but can be widely applied against any company that has not licensed with him - and there are several major providers that have.

"Paddy's" site is worth visiting - check out the banners featuring Ayre!
 

GrandMaster

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This isn't just about RTG software - the patent held by Dr. Scott Lewis and 1st Technologies is not software provider-specific but can be widely applied against any company that has not licensed with him - and there are several major providers that have.

"Paddy's" site is worth visiting - check out the banners featuring Ayre!
blocbc.com rang a bell for me. It is currently " parked free, courtesy of Best Value Domain Store .Com", but I remember that someone at WOL ranted about Bodog and Calvin Ayre and referrred to a blog on a Bloc British Columbia website. He gave the impression of someone with a personal vendetta against Calvin Ayre.
 

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blocbc.com rang a bell for me. It is currently " parked free, courtesy of Best Value Domain Store .Com", but I remember that someone at WOL ranted about Bodog and Calvin Ayre and referrred to a blog on a Bloc British Columbia website. He gave the impression of someone with a personal vendetta against Calvin Ayre.

I don't think personal vendetta is an accurate term. It is much deeper than that. Whatever it is, it has been the source of a great deal of very accurate info about Calvin that is helpful to online gamblers for the past 18 months. There are several posters, including one of my brothers, who do seem to have a personal vendetta against Calvin, but that's not me. I'm either Paddy, which is my real name, or Coldeyeme.

The humor bit has come in in the last six months when it became obvious Bodog was finished.

Yes, the Bloc BC site has been given up because that party has changed its name to the Progressive Nationalist party in B.C. Its website will be up shortly, but the blog is now on its own site at www.coldeye.org.

Haven't been doing anything on Calvin for over a year, but I will be doing an analysis about this patent thing and the implications that will be up later today.
 

Paddy

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Here's a complete up to date report on what has happened with Bodog. I'm waiting to get confirmation from the 1st Technology lawyers as to what steps they might be taking next.

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This is what happens when you don't pay your bills...

Bye Bye Bodog (Calvin)... On your way out, don't let the door hit you where the good lord split you...

Good Riddance.
 

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This is what happens when you don't pay your bills...

Bye Bye Bodog (Calvin)... On your way out, don't let the door hit you where the good lord split you...

Good Riddance.
As I posted several times over the last 5 or 6 months(not sure) strictly pursuant to Calvin, "Every dog has its day"..............makes you wonder if Rollo and a few others (myself included) were able to ascertain by whatever means what was coming, where were the affiliates and watchdogs? It is understandable for players to ignore certain posters for a multitude of reasons but maybe the affiliates and watchdogs could have been more pro-active. Oh well, maybe now Calvin's time has come (but he is slick so who knows) and hopefully the punters have not been harmed.................EDIT: An excerpt from a 8-07-2007(approx. 2 weeks before the domain issue hit forums) PM I sent during a discussision with a well known former forum member (not trying to toot my own horn and maybe just sheer coindence or maybe not???):
 
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