Bodog's Domain Names Confiscated

NASHVEGAS

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How so?

What could Affiliates or watchdogs have done better, in your opinion?
I said "maybe" and not sure my opinion is necessarily relevant or has even been given a great deal of thought so feel free to disregard....I will say that at least CM has said time and time again that US players play at their own risk (often and still ignored) specifically pursuant to payments and other issues. I realize this is a warning as far as I know specific to US players only and not specifically to Bodog but a relevant warning nonetheless...Furthermore, since Sept.30,2006 I never for one saw a flashing Bodog banner at the CM site. Other than that, I am not sure CM could do much else....Does the same hold true for some other well known watchdogs, affiliates,etc.(The Wizard of Odds) sites?(re: banner ads-maybe they were only intended for non-US players)...............like I said I really have not given your question enough thought.
 

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CM can hold its head up high.

Not so Major Wager, EOG, and Sportsbook Review, where I am banned for saying pretty much the same sort of stuff in this thread.

Major Wager and EOG both run Bodog banners. Still do, even when you'd have to be wilfully blind to believe Bodog has any kind of a future now. SBR continues to rate Bodog as an "A" even though it has been bouncing cheques and takes a month or more to get your money back to you when you request it.
 

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CM can hold its head up high.

Not so Major Wager, EOG, and Sportsbook Review, where I am banned for saying pretty much the same sort of stuff in this thread.

Major Wager and EOG both run Bodog banners. Still do, even when you'd have to be wilfully blind to believe Bodog has any kind of a future now. SBR continues to rate Bodog as an "A" even though it has been bouncing cheques and takes a month or more to get your money back to you when you request it.
One of my primary points:thumbsup:
 

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Here's another perspective on the Bloc BC article on Calvin Ayre and the troubles Bodog is facing.

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Unfortunately, it appears to concentrate more on the author of the Bloc BC article than the Lewis patent issue and does not directly address many of the factual claims made by "Paddy" regarding the impact of the 1st Technologies' case against Bodog.

That would have made an interesting alternative perspective, and "tit-for-tat" exchanges on a personal level are rarely palatable or constructive.

Bodog still seems to be maintaining silence on this issue, which could be a serious error of judgement. Perhaps their lawyers are talking to Dr. Lewis's lawyers - that appears to be one option for settling this issue.
 

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Major Wager, EOG and SBR are pretty highly regarded when it comes to sportsbook information portals, I have to say!
 

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interesting article, jetset.

i searched for those usernames on casinomeister and we appear to have a match!

username "mortey" started a couple of Bodog threads here a year ago before getting banned.
 
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My take:

Bodog will not just disappear because of a lawsuit, even if it was for $30 squidrillion. You don't get to their status without being smart. I'm sure "Newbodog" isn't just a temporary getaround. If a lawsuit closes down a company of that size, it can follow several paths, just one being to declare bankruptcy and start over ( with a new name ;) ). Damaged of course, but not dead.

Clearly that will upset some people, but that's the way it is - every successful company treads on toes and has detractors. If they have infringed a patent like they alledgedly have, I would like to see them quite rightly slapped down for that, but still there, as they are one of the few RTGs who seem to treat their players properly.

Paddy: while your posts are interesting, why on earth would you want to go round all these forums saying the same thing over and over? I don't get that. You say it isn't, but it does come over like you have a grudge.
 

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CM can hold its head up high.

Not so Major Wager, EOG, and Sportsbook Review, where I am banned for saying pretty much the same sort of stuff in this thread.

Major Wager and EOG both run Bodog banners. Still do, even when you'd have to be wilfully blind to believe Bodog has any kind of a future now. SBR continues to rate Bodog as an "A" even though it has been bouncing cheques and takes a month or more to get your money back to you when you request it.

I think you'll notice that it doesn't matter whether a banner flies here or not, if a casino is acting hinky, the Meister will confront the policy in question. And for that, the whole community can stand tall:thumbsup:
 

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My take:

Bodog will not just disappear because of a lawsuit, even if it was for $30 squidrillion. You don't get to their status without being smart. I'm sure "Newbodog" isn't just a temporary getaround. If a lawsuit closes down a company of that size, it can follow several paths, just one being to declare bankruptcy and start over ( with a new name ;) ). Damaged of course, but not dead.

Clearly that will upset some people, but that's the way it is - every successful company treads on toes and has detractors. If they have infringed a patent like they alledgedly have, I would like to see them quite rightly slapped down for that, but still there, as they are one of the few RTGs who seem to treat their players properly.

Paddy: while your posts are interesting, why on earth would you want to go round all these forums saying the same thing over and over? I don't get that. You say it isn't, but it does come over like you have a grudge.

Simmo,

I think that you are making a risky assumption that Bodog could survive a $30 million, let alone a $30 squidrillion judgment. (That's a lot of squids, LOL.) One of the features of the online gaming industry which suits Calvin Ayre's character to a tee is that you can lie your face off about how many players you have and how much money you make and no one will challenge you. Some, such as your good self, seem to take what he says as the truth. I hope that is a mistake you stop making very soon.

I know Calvin Ayre is a liar. I've known him for over 20 years and our friendship broke up because he was a desperate liar and someone who had no qualms about depriving other people out of their money. He then engineered a despicable attack on some other members of my family because he was afraid to face up to me. There has been some talk about that on some of the forums and the tendency has been to trivialize that aspect of things, but I can assure you that most of the readers here in possession of the true and complete story would completely support what you trivialize as a "grudge". I think most of the readers who want an accurate picture of Calvin Ayre know it is likely to come from someone he has crossed paths with in the past, rather than his own PR department. What you are saying seems to be that the Goldman family, for instance, has a "grudge" against OJ Simpson because they continually hound him.

My own assessment of this is that Bodog was always a grossly overinflated story that had two features, a website, and a promotional campaign centering on Ayre and paid for by post-up money. I think it was coming to an end before this lawsuit. I think the evidence of that is how few people cared when Bodog's website went down, and how few people care now, other than the smarter observers of the industry here and on other forums who see the implications for depositors still trapped in the Bodog Bozo mine.

Let's hope its only a couple of dozen.

For the poster above who puts Paddy in quotes, my real name is Paddy Roberts and I stand 100% behind what I say. No one has ever shown that anything I've ever said about Calvin Ayre and Bodog over the last 18 months has been inaccurate and misleading.

And hardly anyone refers to it as a "grudge" anymore.
 

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Some, such as your good self, seem to take what he says as the truth. I hope that is a mistake you stop making very soon.

Not quite what I said or implied. I'm not bothered about how well they do, how much money they make, or how many players they have. All I know is that as a player they treat you pretty well.

Neither do I assume they will survive the lawsuit - they may or may not. What I am implying is that even if they don't, they will probably be back under another guise, whether that is as "Newbodog" or another brand I have no idea. I believe an old dog can learn new tricks ;)
 

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Not quite what I said or implied. I'm not bothered about how well they do, how much money they make, or how many players they have. All I know is that as a player they treat you pretty well.

Neither do I assume they will survive the lawsuit - they may or may not. What I am implying is that even if they don't, they will probably be back under another guise, whether that is as "Newbodog" or another brand I have no idea. I believe an old dog can learn new tricks ;)

Ok, fair enough. Point taken.
 

NASHVEGAS

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My take:

Bodog will not just disappear because of a lawsuit, even if it was for $30 squidrillion. You don't get to their status without being smart. I'm sure "Newbodog" isn't just a temporary getaround. If a lawsuit closes down a company of that size, it can follow several paths, just one being to declare bankruptcy and start over ( with a new name ;) ). Damaged of course, but not dead.

Clearly that will upset some people, but that's the way it is - every successful company treads on toes and has detractors. If they have infringed a patent like they alledgedly have, I would like to see them quite rightly slapped down for that, but still there, as they are one of the few RTGs who seem to treat their players properly.

Paddy: while your posts are interesting, why on earth would you want to go round all these forums saying the same thing over and over? I don't get that. You say it isn't, but it does come over like you have a grudge.
I realize you clearly state "My take" and respectfully understood.......... Markets analysts were stating the same as you do in your bolded quote just a few days before the complete collapse of ENRON, WORLDCOM,ADELPHIA,ETC. which were all driven basically overnight to the grave once the rampant fraud became exposed to the public. Humm, Calvin may know a little something about securities fraud. Just fodder for thought, ultimately time(and me thinks US) will determine the final outcome.......Well duh,NASH:D
 
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NASHVEGAS

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Here's another perspective on the Bloc BC article on Calvin Ayre and the troubles Bodog is facing.

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Unfortunately, it appears to concentrate more on the author of the Bloc BC article than the Lewis patent issue and does not directly address many of the factual claims made by "Paddy" regarding the impact of the 1st Technologies' case against Bodog.

That would have made an interesting alternative perspective, and "tit-for-tat" exchanges on a personal level are rarely palatable or constructive.

Bodog still seems to be maintaining silence on this issue, which could be a serious error of judgement. Perhaps their lawyers are talking to Dr. Lewis's lawyers - that appears to be one option for settling this issue.
Good read,:thumbsup: fwiw, I think it should be noted that the article in the above link was dated April 2007..........also, fwiw,I found the Carruthers/BoS story included in the article intriguing:thumbsup:..............but most importantly could not help but click on the Titans-Jaguars game link:D
 

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Good read,:thumbsup: fwiw, I think it should be noted that the article in the above link was dated April 2007..........also, fwiw,I found the Carruthers/BoS story included in the article intriguing:thumbsup:..............but most importantly could not help but click on the Titans-Jaguars game link:D

And, fwiw, I've been trying to track down point-spreads and this Thomas Jensen dick ever since that article to serve him with a libel suit, but he seems to be very hard to pinpoint.

Fortunately, he just libelled another guy a few days ago and that guy has the money to find him, so maybe it'll all work out.
 

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And, fwiw, I've been trying to track down point-spreads and this Thomas Jensen dick ever since that article to serve him with a libel suit, but he seems to be very hard to pinpoint.

Fortunately, he just libelled another guy a few days ago and that guy has the money to find him, so maybe it'll all work out.
Not exactly sure how to take this, maybe our points are the same, with mine being the timelime of Jensen's article precedes the domain issue timeline relative to forum postings. If nothing else, that seems to lend some creditibility to your views and knowledge of the past and present Ayre/NewBodog,jmo.........Of course, some can and will also reasonably argue the timeline means nothing. I hope I understood your prior post and vice-versa on my prior post.
 

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Not exactly sure how to take this, maybe our points are the same, with mine being the timelime of Jensen's article precedes the domain issue timeline relative to forum postings. If nothing else, that seems to lend some creditibility to your views and knowledge of the past and present Ayre/NewBodog,jmo.........Of course, some can and will also reasonably argue the timeline means nothing. I hope I understood your prior post and vice-versa on my prior post.

No problem, Nash.

Jensen's article is a response to a period in which I was scoring some heavy points against Bodog on the forums and I guess Calvin decided to have this flunky libel me. He put it up on his site and then cut and pasted it into a forums. I contacted the forum owners, told them the article was substantially untrue, and was libel. It seems to have disappeared, although I am also still trying to find some way to sue SBR, i.e. find a way to serve papers on them. The Online Wire removed their copy of this crap on legal advice.

I don't remember much of the article, but it is true that I was convicted of pot smuggling 20 years ago. The rest of it is a complete fabrication. I think it speaks to the cowardly approach that Calvin and his buttboys take when they are confronted about the truth of his own background.

I don't know why Jetset saw fit to post the link, but that's his business, I suppose.

FYI, I heard from 1st Technology this morning and have been told the article is 90% accurate. When I find out which 10% isn't, it will be corrected.
 

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I don't know Calvin personally, but I have been a search marketing competitor of Bodog.com's for a long time (Since Bodog first appeared out from under that rock). :rolleyes:

I have had to put up with bodog's search marketing coders spamming the search indexes and their less than noble search engine marketing efforts for quite some time and I am very glad to report that bodog is currently nowhere to be found in google.

Yahoo search is a little slower than google and is still showing the bodog search listings but the links go to a error page. Yahoo should drop the bodog.com listings in the next week or so as the Yahoo search index is updated.

Not being listed in google search is slow death for bodog, these guys have lived and breathed search marketing for years... and now it's all gone for them.

And in my opinion, this could not have happened to a nicer bunch of SEO SOB's.
 

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@ Paddy.

I posted that link because it was relevant to your allegations against Ayre and Bodog and represents an alternative perspective, which imo is rarely a bad thing, especially when emotions are running high and personal attacks of this intensity are being launched.

As I wrote in my post, I think it would have been more interesting and informative had the ad hominem attacks been kept to a minimum and the facts of the 1st Technologies case examined in more detail. In this latter respect I think your post did the better job, although the enmity toward Ayre was distracting.

You should not make the mistake of assuming that everyone is agin' you simply because they prefer to look at both sides of a coin when they have limited personal knowledge of an issue or bias.

I hope that these companies will themselves publish statements on their positions, and I will certainly be following developments in the case as they unfold. In that regard I think the 1st Technologies lawyers you quote in support of your article are remiss in not making a public statement - but perhaps the personal content discourages that.

I don't think personal attacks on webmasters of sites like Major Wager, SBR and Point-Spreads should cloud the issue, either. If you feel you have a libel case against these webmasters then by all means pursue it, but indulging in personal insults and discrediting them as Ayre "flunkies" simply makes it appear that you are hitting out at anyone who does not get on board with your view of Bodog and the current difficulties in which it finds itself.

@ lots0

Thanks for your comments on the search engine developments of this issue, which seem to confirm one of the consequences predicted by Paddy.
 

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This is a cut and paste from another forum, or forums, I guess. It raises some very interesting industry issues about whether the US government can do what 1st Technology does as a means of enforcing the criminal law.

Very insightful read from Bill's Poker Blog.Bodog / NewBodog Is Just The Beginning

August 30, 2007 @ 7:22 am Filed under Poker, Poker News, Online Poker, Is Online Poker Legal?

"I may do a more in-depth post at some point in the future but I think the thing many people are missing in all this Bodog/NewBodog mess is that this is an interesting legal tactic that will likely be used again in the future. 1st Technology LLC sued to have Bodogs domain names rendered useless. Many people have speculated that is because they used a US based registrar. Im guessing that those people are wrong.

It doesnt matter if Bodog used ENOM, GoDaddy or some Costa Rican based registrar because the people who handle domain name disputes are the folks at ICANN. Its not even a .com thing since ICANN basically has some sort of control over every top level domain (TLD) in use on the internet.

ICANN is a difficult to describe entity since they are technically a non-profit corporation but they act on behalf of the US government to handle tasks previously performed by the federal government. They basically renew their contract with the US Dept. of Commerce for the rights to manage the worlds internet traffic.

Now, if the implications of this havent started to settle in let me draw up a scenario for you. Louisiana sues XYZPoker.com for $100 million in unpaid tax revenue. XYZPoker.com who is located in some gambling friendly jurisdiction either refuses to submit itself to the court or tries to defend itself and loses. Either they cough up the $100 million or Louisiana can go to ICANN and demand that they turn off all domains owned by XYZPoker.com as a form of payment and to prevent any further violation of tax laws.

How about this; US DOJ points a finger at UB and says that they are in violation of the UIGEA and files against them. They convict UB of violations of the UIGEA and get a court order for ICANN to turn off all known UB owned domains.

Starting to see the picture"
Once again, that's quite a tailspin!
 

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@ Paddy.

I posted that link because it was relevant to your allegations against Ayre and Bodog and represents an alternative perspective, which imo is rarely a bad thing, especially when emotions are running high and personal attacks of this intensity are being launched.

As I wrote in my post, I think it would have been more interesting and informative had the ad hominem attacks been kept to a minimum and the facts of the 1st Technologies case examined in more detail. In this latter respect I think your post did the better job, although the enmity toward Ayre was distracting.

How was it relevant? I did not post allegations against Calvin. I posted an analysis of the 1stTechnology lawsuit which consisted primarily of factual accounts of the contents of the court documents. The point spreads article did not present an alternative perspective about anything to do with 1st Technology. It is a libellous smear against me designed to discredit anything I might say against Calvin. I don't think anyone would agree that a libeller hiding behind a website in the ether presents an alternative perspective worth considering. I put my name to what I say. If you want to sue me, I'm not hard to find. I've been trying for months to find this Thomas Jensen.

Calvin is Bodog. If online gamblers are liable to lose their money because of some flaw in Calvin's character, it is difficult to convey that without it being characterized as an ad hominem attack.

I don't think everyone is agin me, including you. I'm pretty well aware that a lot of people have found this information and other material about Calvin useful. I don't see all of this in terms of who is agin me and who is for me. I put up information and people learn from it. Other people put up other information and I learn from it.

Hardly anyone has their money in Bodog anymore. That can hardly be a bad thing.
 

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.....

"The violation relates to the Method for the production and transmission of enhanced multimedia information.

"An optimization method is disclosed that enhances the interactivity of multimedia information. The optimization method includes separating a multimedia information into primary and secondary layers and enhancing that information in the primary layers such that the perceived psychographic information quality is improved. This method has the advantage of providing compression and/or transmission algorithms to maximize enhancement of the multimedia information."

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Pardon me while I briefly interrupt the 'he said, she said' flow....

I am more concerned with the actual violation. To be honest, I read the above and understand little of what it's talking about. However, I do have questions.

Is this 'software' or 'application' used by all online casinos? Only RTG? Only BoDog?

Do all casinos have to pay for the rights to use it?

And if it's a software and/or application directly necessary to day to day operation of casinos, why is this fee not paid by the software companies (RTG, MG, etc.?).

Why was Bodog singled out? They're the only casino that hasn't paid up? (Like most here, I highly suspect that the Feds 'convinced' 1st Technologies to pursue this lawsuit.)

And why was their domain name(s) confiscated? What has one to do with the other?
 

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Never mind... it was another company who had been sued by 1st

On August 10, 2004 the Company received a complaint for patent infringement that
was filed on July 20, 2004 in the US District Court of Nevada by 1stTechnology
LLC of California ("1st Technology"). Named as Defendants to the subject
complaint are the Company, Real Time Gaming and Terra Networks, S.A.
(collectively referred to as the "Defendants"). 1stTechnology has claimed that
the Defendants have each infringed the Lewis Multimedia Patents. 1st Technology
has requested a trial by jury and is seeking damages, attorney's fees and costs,
and a permanent injunction prohibiting further infringement of the Lewis
Multimedia Patents. The Company is of the opinion that this claim is of no
merit and, the Company intends to defend this action.
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Will be more thurough before jumping in again
 
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