Blackjack rules changed in the UK

gfkostas

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Old rules stay the same with the difference that now you can

1) Split any two cards ( Before splitting 4's,5's or 10's wasn't allowed)

2) Double down on any two cards ( Before only 9-11 was allowed)

Overall this gives better chances to the player. On the other side most players seem to completely throw away the advantage by doubling on 8 against 6 and other silly hits etc.

House edge under old rules: 0.57016% (6 decks)

Houge edge under new rules: 0.47406%

Good news :thumbsup:
 

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Thanks (Good to see you as well!)

Are all of the other rules standardized casino to casino, or do they vary? i.e dealer hit soft 17 stay hard at one casino and not another? Just curious, and if there is an absolute standard would you be so kind as to post it or someone point me to it?

Good Cheer!
 

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Old rules stay the same with the difference that now you can

1) Split any two cards ( Before splitting 4's,5's or 10's wasn't allowed)

2) Double down on any two cards ( Before only 9-11 was allowed)

Overall this gives better chances to the player. On the other side most players seem to completely throw away the advantage by doubling on 8 against 6 and other silly hits etc.

House edge under old rules: 0.57016% (6 decks)

Houge edge under new rules: 0.47406%

Good news :thumbsup:

:lolup:

I wish they had rule #1 in the USA!!! I wonder why they changed it :rolleyes: The only reason I could see to split 4/5/10's is if you're in a tournament :p
 

gfkostas

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Thanks (Good to see you as well!)

Are all of the other rules standardized casino to casino, or do they vary? i.e dealer hit soft 17 stay hard at one casino and not another? Just curious, and if there is an absolute standard would you be so kind as to post it or someone point me to it?

Good Cheer!


Very rarely british casinos have different rules. You will find the same everywhere.


:lolup:

I wish they had rule #1 in the USA!!! I wonder why they changed it :rolleyes: The only reason I could see to split 4/5/10's is if you're in a tournament :p


Actually splitting 4's is advisable when dealer shows a 5's and 6's.


Yeah I noticed the change a few months ago. Theres no way in hell Im gonna split 5's &10's


Many do:eek2: especially against 5's and 6's
 

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House edge under old rules: 0.57016% (6 decks)

Houge edge under new rules: 0.47406%

Good news :thumbsup:
The house edge is not 0.47%, at least not unless they also removed the European no peek rules. Assuming 6 decks, stand on S17, no resplits, deck is not shuffled after each hand, and basic strategy without CD exceptions. Both Wizard of Odds house edge calc and my house edge calc estimate 0.589%.
 

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Actually splitting 4's is advisable when dealer shows a 5's and 6's.
Yes, when DAS is allowed, it is favorable to split 4s against a 5 or 6. It's a close call that only decreases house edge by ~0.003%. I'm surprised they ever restriced these splits. Many players do like to split 10s, and letting them do so favors the casino.
 

gfkostas

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The house edge is not 0.47%, at least not unless they also removed the European no peek rules. Assuming 6 decks, stand on S17, no resplits, deck is not shuffled after each hand, and basic strategy without CD exceptions. Both Wizard of Odds house edge calc and my house edge calc estimate 0.589%.


You must be forgetting something. I check with the calc and it shows a realistic return of 0.47%
 

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acw

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Old rules stay the same with the difference that now you can

1) Split any two cards ( Before splitting 4's,5's or 10's wasn't allowed)

2) Double down on any two cards ( Before only 9-11 was allowed)

Overall this gives better chances to the player. On the other side most players seem to completely throw away the advantage by doubling on 8 against 6 and other silly hits etc.

House edge under old rules: 0.57016% (6 decks)

Houge edge under new rules: 0.47406%

Good news :thumbsup:
What is the house edge, if you add Early Surrender (except against an Ace) to it? All casinos in Macau offer this.
 

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Yes, when DAS is allowed, it is favorable to split 4s against a 5 or 6. It's a close call that only decreases house edge by ~0.003%. I'm surprised they ever restriced these splits. Many players do like to split 10s, and letting them do so favors the casino.

Unless you are a card counter. In which case, splitting 10s against 4-6 with a +4 count using standardized counting systems (2-5 worth 1 point; 10-ace worth -1 point, 6-9 worth 0 points, then divide by approx remaining decks in shoe) becomes a +ev play.

So this favors professionals, somewhat as well.
 

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Unless you are a card counter. In which case, splitting 10s against 4-6 with a +4 count using standardized counting systems (2-5 worth 1 point; 10-ace worth -1 point, 6-9 worth 0 points, then divide by approx remaining decks in shoe) becomes a +ev play.

So this favors professionals, somewhat as well.


+4 of what? I cannot imagine it applying to online. I would say, never split 10's online ever
 

GaryWatson

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I dont play much blackjack online but all I can say is the one pack game reshuffles every hand. No counting strategy applies.

Then there is the random 6 or 8 pack, This only means you can have 8 of the same card at the one table, but again, the cards are reshuffled. No counting strategy applies.

Again when the dealer has a 6 and I have 5,5. I wont split, I'll double down. I would say that offers me better odds

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Many do:eek2: especially against 5's and 6's
 

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Unless you are a card counter. In which case, splitting 10s against 4-6 with a +4 count using standardized counting systems (2-5 worth 1 point; 10-ace worth -1 point, 6-9 worth 0 points, then divide by approx remaining decks in shoe) becomes a +ev play.

So this favors professionals, somewhat as well.

Don't let the pit boss see you doing that, especially in Vegas...they'll take your ass out to the desert, shoot you, and leave you :p
 

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FWIW, card counting isn't illegal, unless you use some sort of device to assist in counting. That still doesn't mean they can throw you out for it...
 
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