New Slot Announcement Big Time Gaming - Who Wants To Be A Millionaire

[TheresNoDInBonanza]

Of course it's not a smoke screen...

That's exactly what you'd say if it were a smokescreen though...

 

[snorky510238]

Of course it's not a smoke screen...

So are you saying the bonus round is not predetermined?

 

[Harry_BKK]

You can all try it on Thursday, will post a link to the review I am just writing and Free Play mode.

EDIT: Sorry, no link for now.

 

[dunover]

I got to the 20 free spins on my Twitch by the way. It took 32 attempts overall.

 

[Harry_BKK]

I got to the 20 free spins on my Twitch by the way. It took 32 attempts overall.

I still haven't got past 16.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

So from all the demo play undertaken thusfar, what's the best win anyone has had as a multiplication of stake?

Cheers

 

[Harry_BKK]

Well, I only had ten spins so far as i try to gamble to the 50 on each occasion and I haven't made it to the 20 spins so far. The best was about one hour ago. 10 spins paying just over 110x bet.

What I had though is the full 117,649 ways-to-win a few times in free spins. Which I have never seen on Bonanza or EXtra Chilli.

 

[dunover]

Well, I only had ten spins so far as i try to gamble to the 50 on each occasion and I haven't made it to the 20 spins so far. The best was about one hour ago. 10 spins paying just over 110x bet.

What I had though is the full 117,649 ways-to-win a few times in free spins. Which I have never seen on Bonanza or EXtra Chilli.

Yes, that's the intention here and why it's far more volatile bonus-wise than its predecessors.

 

[dunover]

So from all the demo play undertaken thusfar, what's the best win anyone has had as a multiplication of stake?

Cheers

Funnily enough I'm on it now and had 307x on an all-ways spin followed by 492x about 40 spins later! Not had a feature though, coming up to 300 spins. My 20-spins yielded 227x IIRC yesterday.

Imagine on of those 2 spins above on the multiplier in the bonus - this is essentially what the math model does differently here. You'll be chewing your own bollocks if you do a real-play video next month lol....

EDIT:
100 spins later another 120x on all-ways in base game, not a feature in 450 spins now but it's gone apeshit in the base game, started with 1000x now up to 1800x lol

 

[trancemonkey]

So are you saying the bonus round is not predetermined?

The bonus round is not predetermined. It will absolutely make a difference if you take 8 spins or 20 or 50.

 

[goatwack]

Wowsers, the game that keeps on giving with its regular 100s x during the base game and the most explosively-volatile bonus the world has ever seen. This game can do no wrong and it's not even out yet!

Surely this is the game that breaks BTG, due to its relentless generosity. Please come out soon

 

[snorky510238]

The bonus round is not predetermined. It will absolutely make a difference if you take 8 spins or 20 or 50.

So how does it work? because they look pretty scripted to me or is it to do with “ special maths”?

 

[trancemonkey]

So how does it work? because they look pretty scripted to me or is it to do with “ special maths”?

How do they look scripted? If you can explain that then I am likely to be able to help you understand more.

 

[trancemonkey]

Funnily enough I'm on it now and had 307x on an all-ways spin followed by 492x about 40 spins later! Not had a feature though, coming up to 300 spins. My 20-spins yielded 227x IIRC yesterday.

Imagine on of those 2 spins above on the multiplier in the bonus - this is essentially what the math model does differently here. You'll be chewing your own bollocks if you do a real-play video next month lol....

EDIT:
100 spins later another 120x on all-ways in base game, not a feature in 450 spins now but it's gone apeshit in the base game, started with 1000x now up to 1800x lol

You had a 1800x win in the base game?

 

[aceking123]

You had a 1800x win in the base game?

of course not trance , thats what hes winning from start up.

Explain it doesnt matter of 10 30 or 40 spins then , it doesn't matter because its predetermined & would pay the same if i had 8 spins

 

[snorky510238]

How do they look scripted? If you can explain that then I am likely to be able to help you understand more.

Okay take bonanza for example. We have already established that 17 and 22 spins continuously pay garbage so no sway for your statement there. Also during the bonus it’s more than noticeable how many times reels 1,2 and 3 only reveal 2 or 3 symbols restricting the megaways. Along with the blue gems being pretty rare in the base game(along the top)only to become very abundant during the bonus and continually used as “blockers” along with the carts. That’s what I mean by scripted. For something that is supposedly random to consistently repeat the same patterns.

 

[dunover]

I had 2 of my 4 1000x + bonuses on Bonanza from 17 spins. Yes, started with demo of 1000 base game got it to 1800 only 2 features after that series of wins, both lost the 8-10 gamble (compensating of course).

 

[goatwack]

I generally thought the bonus amounts were set the moment they were triggered, and that the game plays itself out visually accordingly. Much like DOA and people gripping their chair when the result was already determined 2 minutes prior

So at what point is the total win amount decided? And would a 'set amount' be subject to be gambled away if already decided? Because that's where the confusion lies with the credentials of the gamble feature, for me at least. How do I know I'm not risking my 20 spins for nothing, when 50 would have arrived at the same total (via the usual incredible 85% dead spins routine).

Unless we are led to believe the bonus is 'live in-play' and just wings it

 

[dunover]

I generally thought the bonus amounts were set the moment they were triggered, and that the game plays itself out visually accordingly. Much like DOA and people gripping their chair when the result was already determined 2 minutes prior

So at what point is the total win amount decided? And would a 'set amount' be subject to be gambled away if already decided? Because that's where the confusion lies with the credentials of the gamble feature, for me at least. How do I know I'm not risking my 20 spins for nothing, when 50 would have arrived at the same total (via the usual incredible 85% dead spins routine).

Unless we are led to believe the bonus is 'live in-play' and just wings it

Well many slots actually do that, like the RTG's and 3Dice proprietary. It's perfectly possible that this game does this and just picks RNG wins as you go, therefore increasing chances the more spins you have. It won't make any difference to the long-term RTP allocated to the feature.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

That's what annoys me about slots like this, we're kind of left guessing as to how the maths behind it work.

The WMS Star Trek slots had clearly fake reels which didn't affect my enjoyment of the games but as players we had to accept that what we were seeing roll past our eyes had nothing to do with the actual reels.

I honestly prefer the simplicity of how 3Dice's slots do it, because I know I'm looking at the actual reel strips at all times. (It also doesn't bother me that the pick-me bonus rounds are 100% finalised at the trigger, and we're just uncovering the results. Enzo made a great post about how mathematically, it makes no difference whatsoever.)

 

[goatwack]

And yet we still don't know with 100% certainty either way, and nor are BTG about to disclose the workings behind their maths.

I think most have settled upon the fact that Pick Me features are essentially gimped, but still factor into the game's overall RTP.

With Gamble features like this it looks more to be a pseudo-gamble that ultimately may not even affect the final result, but is still prone to being lost.

But then I've seen far too many Bonanza horror-shows whereby the last six or seven spins are just too conveniently devoid of any type of win to think all is what it seems when it comes to their bonuses. They don't strike me as freewheeling whatsoever

 

[dunover]

That's what annoys me about slots like this, we're kind of left guessing as to how the maths behind it work.

The WMS Star Trek slots had clearly fake reels which didn't affect my enjoyment of the games but as players we had to accept that what we were seeing roll past our eyes had nothing to do with the actual reels.

I honestly prefer the simplicity of how 3Dice's slots do it, because I know I'm looking at the actual reel strips at all times. (It also doesn't bother me that the pick-me bonus rounds are 100% finalised at the trigger, and we're just uncovering the results. Enzo made a great post about how mathematically, it makes no difference whatsoever.)

That's what I just said, long term it make not a jot of difference having 'natural' free games. You get say 25% RTP for the feature, and this is rationed by rarity of bonus rounds and therefore a relatively small number of spins are going to be played on a multiplier even of those limited free games so the RTP allocation leaves plenty of scope for a whole variety of results ranging from small to colossal. It's effectively like having 2 separate slots in 1, a 71% base game with a small amount of multiplier spins played on the 25% part both of which over time pay the player 96%. Then again, a developer could just as easily 'fix' the pool of FS with predetermined outcomes for the same 25% of RTP but on a game like Millionaire it would be easier to have dynamic results.

 

[Gaz237]

Raised my deposit limits at LV to give this a decent bash on release.

Didn't realise you could not buy the bonus. I never play White Rabbit or Chilli on normal play, cant see my playing this for hundreds of spins, to either lose on the first gamble or end up with 10 spins trying to get to 20.

Edit. I thought this was due to be released on Sept 18th. Just seen it's Nov 18th.

Anyone got a link to try it now?

 

[trancemonkey]

Well many slots actually do that, like the RTG's and 3Dice proprietary. It's perfectly possible that this game does this and just picks RNG wins as you go, therefore increasing chances the more spins you have. It won't make any difference to the long-term RTP allocated to the feature.

Don't get confused between what we are discussing here... Some slots send all free spin outcomes at the point the feature is triggered. If BTG are doing this it would be at the point you press WALK AWAY or you lose and drop back down to a safe zone.

But what ISN'T the case is that it doesn't matter whether you pick 8 or 50... If that were true then let's just say it decides to give you a crappy 5x feature. You then gamble all the way to 50 spins... Do you've honestly think you'll get 49 dead spins...?

 

[trancemonkey]

of course not trance , thats what hes winning from start up.

Explain it doesnt matter of 10 30 or 40 spins then , it doesn't matter because its predetermined & would pay the same if i had 8 spins

Nope...

 

[trancemonkey]

That's what annoys me about slots like this, we're kind of left guessing as to how the maths behind it work.

The WMS Star Trek slots had clearly fake reels which didn't affect my enjoyment of the games but as players we had to accept that what we were seeing roll past our eyes had nothing to do with the actual reels.

I honestly prefer the simplicity of how 3Dice's slots do it, because I know I'm looking at the actual reel strips at all times. (It also doesn't bother me that the pick-me bonus rounds are 100% finalised at the trigger, and we're just uncovering the results. Enzo made a great post about how mathematically, it makes no difference whatsoever.)

Okay take bonanza for example. We have already established that 17 and 22 spins continuously pay garbage so no sway for your statement there. Also during the bonus it’s more than noticeable how many times reels 1,2 and 3 only reveal 2 or 3 symbols restricting the megaways. Along with the blue gems being pretty rare in the base game(along the top)only to become very abundant during the bonus and continually used as “blockers” along with the carts. That’s what I mean by scripted. For something that is supposedly random to consistently repeat the same patterns.

Yes they need to be clever with reel bands in order to get the right RTP from the feature... That doesn't mean it's scripted... Just means the chance of that type of losing position is higher.

 

[snorky510238]

Don't get confused between what we are discussing here... Some slots send all free spin outcomes at the point the feature is triggered. If BTG are doing this it would be at the point you press WALK AWAY or you lose and drop back down to a safe zone.

But what ISN'T the case is that it doesn't matter whether you pick 8 or 50... If that were true then let's just say it decides to give you a crappy 5x feature. You then gamble all the way to 50 spins... Do you've honestly think you'll get 49 dead spins...?

It’s not impossible and doesn’t come with a refund. We have seen shockers on 22 spins (bonanza) so why not.

 

[Dinahnana]

love to see a BTG slot in the theme of Peep Show. Now that would be fun!

 

[Harry_BKK]

love to see a BTG slot in the theme of Peep Show. Now that would be fun!

You mean a game that fits to this casino: Outdated URL (Invalid)?

Their slogan is: Play hard, get hard! Instead of Free Spins you get a Free CamShow on the first deposit.

 

[goatwack]

You mean a game that fits to this casino: Outdated URL (Invalid)?

Their slogan is: Play hard, get hard! Instead of Free Spins you get a Free CamShow on the first deposit.

They really should let new players know the Welcome Bonus doesn't work with Neteller or Skrill.

So I got this instead after a furious email to CS

 

[Harry_BKK]

They really should let new players know the Welcome Bonus doesn't work with Neteller or Skrill.

So I got this instead after a furious email to CS

Where's the IMG?

 

[Harry_BKK]

They really should let new players know the Welcome Bonus doesn't work with Neteller or Skrill.

So I got this instead after a furious email to CS

I was asked to write a review about the casino. Still haven't done it because I can't think of how to write it properly.

 

[Dinahnana]

You mean a game that fits to this casino: Outdated URL (Invalid)?

Their slogan is: Play hard, get hard! Instead of Free Spins you get a Free CamShow on the first deposit.

Lol was just following the thread and thought about one of my favorite British comedies from the mid 2000's so thought I would pop it in. Since the show is from an individual pov I think that theme would be much more fun than who wants to be a millionaire

 

[goatwack]

I was asked to write a review about the casino. Still haven't done it because I can't think of how to write it properly.

"The best casino if you want to be somebody, baby"

 

[Big Time Gaming]

On all our free spin features, the final result is determined on the very last spin which is added to the grand total of the preceding wins. Every Free Spin and every V-Gamble, hit the server and receive a response just like the base game.

 

[goatwack]

..........

 

[trancemonkey]

On all our free spin features, the final result is determined on the very last spin which is added to the grand total of the preceding wins. Every Free Spin and every V-Gamble, hit the server and receive a response just like the base game.

I wonder if they believe you more than they believe me

 

[Siohmy]

Looks like an exact clone of Extra Chilli with the gambles being a minimum of 50/50, hence why the extra, smaller steps. A number of gambles appear to be 55-60% or better. Of course we all await the, “I don’t believe the 72% selection is 72% because I lost”. Run into this mindset playing poker all the time.

 

[nikantw]

I look forward for the post : "I gambled 100 times with supposed 89% chance and won only 23 of them"

 

[TheresNoDInBonanza]

No demo link yet?
No one gambled to 50fs yet?

 

[Harry_BKK]

No demo link yet?
No one gambled to 50fs yet?

I gave up trying. Never got past 20FS in like 100 attempts. And i always followed the lead from the game and took the most probable answer.

 

[snorky510238]

I don’t believe any part of slotting is random, full stop but if you look at it from the view that it is random how can there be a most probable answer? In my eyes they all have to be 25%. You can’t have it both ways saying it’s random one minute then the game knows where the answer is the next minute. I am sure this game will have more than its “fair” share of ongoing debates over the gamble being true.

 

[TheresNoDInBonanza]

I don’t believe any part of slotting is random, full stop but if you look at it from the view that it is random how can there be a most probable answer? In my eyes they all have to be 25%. You can’t have it both ways saying it’s random one minute then the game knows where the answer is the next minute. I am sure this game will have more than its “fair” share of ongoing debates over the gamble being true.

Random doesn't necessarily mean evenly weighted, in fact that's basically the entire premise of slots.

 

[dunover]

I gave up trying. Never got past 20FS in like 100 attempts. And i always followed the lead from the game and took the most probable answer.

Same here and I achieved 20 twice in tens of attempts. On both occasions it did pay over 100x, 225 and 130x IIRC. Getting 100x plus appears to me to be far more difficult than on Bonanza. The features are more frequent though so that's the balance.

 

[steveh35]

I gave up trying. Never got past 20FS in like 100 attempts. And i always followed the lead from the game and took the most probable answer.

I repeat what I have said before this is based on a tv show, if you went on the tv show 100 times how many times in the 100 appearances would you reach £1million? You are not supposed to get to 50 spins you are supposed to get as far as you can then realise you will not get any further and take the money.

 

[deaconk78]

I repeat what I have said before this is based on a tv show, if you went on the tv show 100 times how many times in the 100 appearances would you reach £1million? You are not supposed to get to 50 spins you are supposed to get as far as you can then realise you will not get any further and take the money.

you'd have to figure in fastest finger first . < that will be trotted out when someone does 2000 spins and doesn't get a single chance to sit in the seat

 

[snorky510238]

I can see getting to 50 spins being 1 in 1,000,000. Like getting over a 40x multiplier on bonanza it ain’t going to happen often. Even if you do get there it guarantees nothing. If it wants to bang you 40 dead spins in there it will. It doesn’t have to pay you any compensation.

 

[goatwack]

I guess 50 spins is so sought-after by players that gambling for fewer spins actually becomes 'normalized', and so no one pulls BTG up on that they shouldn't have a Gamble Feature in their slots to begin with!

 

[Harry_BKK]

I have played this slot now extensively in fun mode, stopped counting the bonus rounds around 100.

My verdict is: If you thought Bonanza and Extra Chilli are addictive and emptying our pockets, then wait until you play WWTBAM.

Reasons:

- At the start I accepted the 8 FS like 10 times, just to see the potential. It never went past 50x bet, half of them were below 20x bet. So you will have people regularly taking the 8 --> 10 gamble. Over the 100 odd I had now, about 40-50% I lost on that first step, ending with nothing. Well, in my view better than getting enraged for a win below 20x bet in the 8FS.
- Once people reach the 10FS, they will try to go higher, but it is sheer impossible to get to 20, let alone 50. So you will have players squandering away 14, 16, 18 FS all the time in the hope of getting past the 20
- The games actually gives rather often the 117K paylines in the Free Spins but most of them pay "zilch".
- The most I waited for a FS round was over 1,500 spins, 400 to 500 spins was normal - so, very much Bonanza territory. Now think you played that long, finally 8FS and you gamble because you know that 8FS won't pay much and you lose the gamble. That is 2.5 hours of play, usually with quite some losses and at the end you sit there empty-handed.
- Frustrated, players will deposit more, just because now they insist on getting past the 10 threshold. But it repeats the same a few times in a row and they lose the first gamble again and again. More frustration, more money in...etc.etc.etc.
- At some point, they will take the 8FS only to then win something like 20x bet. Even more frustrated, they promise themselves never to take the 8FS again. Yet again, they will lose that first gamble so often, that at some point they will always try to got to the 50FS, just to make a point.

Final words: The slot is psychologically an addict's minefield.

 

[Harry_BKK]

One more thing, I've been playing all the time with the max bet - $20, just to see how close I can get to the 1 Million it is supposedly capable of paying in a bonus round. (50,000x bet according to BTG)

I haven't made it past 10K, let alone 100K or more.