Spammer! BGO, MrGreen, any reason why I'm getting 100's of spam emails from your affiliate?

Casinomeister

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I got the Casinoeuro rep from the review so might want to update that :)
It is a daunting task - but that was fixed.

My go to page is the reps page here:
iGaming reps

I admit it could be a better system.

Big thumbs up to @Krystal_EGO who straight away started contacting the affiliate to get this resolved as much as she could.
Yep, Krystal is an awesome rep. She has been with EGO for years, so that tells you something. :D
 

colinsunderland

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It is a daunting task - but that was fixed.

My go to page is the reps page here:
iGaming reps

I admit it could be a better system.


Yep, Krystal is an awesome rep. She has been with EGO for years, so that tells you something. :D
I didn't even know that page existed, know for future :) thanks
Yes, Krystal is excellent, I've praised her in previous threads, she doesn't post much but know she replies pretty much straight away and does help whenever she can :)
 

Karolina Filip

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Hi @colinsunderland

We’ve been in touch with the affiliate and together we have conducted an investigation that has evidenced why you received the first contact and the follow up emails. We have requested the affiliate to reach out to you directly as we don’t intend to discuss specifics on an public forum, which we trust you’ll appreciate. Thanks
 

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Hi @colinsunderland

We’ve been in touch with the affiliate and together we have conducted an investigation that has evidenced why you received the first contact and the follow up emails. We have requested the affiliate to reach out to you directly as we don’t intend to discuss specifics on an public forum, which we trust you’ll appreciate. Thanks
Hi @Karolina Filip

Thanks for taking the time to investigate, bit confused though. You cannot possibly have legitimate evidence of my opt in to his mailing list, as it doesn't exist. I know exactly where he got the email addresses, they were stolen in data breaches back in 2017.

As for him contacting me, well he didn't reply to my email 3 weeks ago, nor to the one yesterday so don't think that will happen.

You are welcome to PM me with the evidence as to why I had first contact from him, as I will be interested to see how good his forged opt in data is. Presumably you have seen dates, times, where, age verification and IP addresses for each email address he has evidence for?

Thanks :)
 

colinsunderland

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So some dodgy shit going on here.

Got an email from 123casinos (maybe or maybe not, more on that later) with a list of emails and IP addresses apparently used to opt in.

However, its fake. Looking up the IP addresses show multiple ISP's.
I am the ONLY person with access to the emails in question. All emails also should really be 'double opt in' and that means if you sign up on site, you get an email to confirm.
I do not have Sky, Virgin, Plusnet, Talktalk, BT (just from the first few IP addresses) all installed at home.
I also do not have access to sign up using IP addresses that are as yet unassigned and don't exist in the RIPE database, as they are in unallocated number ranges.

The list of email addresses and 'proof of opt in' are just text, like

123@mydomain.co.uk81.104.113.115
2020-01-01 22:57:39​

It would take me 5 minutes to create a list like that. It isn't proof of opt in at all, and also doesn't state where the opt in was made.

Now the real weird thing. The email was titled re: casinomeister post
So is someone from the Atemi group reading this forum? Why not post on here if you are? I'll say hello to the spammers first, hello Richard and BGO ;).

Now, bear in mind 123casinos is the affiliate. They are the ones sending the emails

Here are some quotes from the email they sent me

As such, we launched an investigation into the affiliate in question
we would like to point out that the affiliate was able to produce
The reason for the multiple emails is down to the affiliate’s ESP
Regarding your concern about missing terms and conditions, we reviewed the landing page in question (123Casinos) and can confirm that it is fully compliant with all terms listed as per the latest guidance by the UKGC.


So apparently 123casinos launched an investigation into themselves.
They keep talking about the affiliate as if they are a third party
They reviewed their own landing page and confirmed it is compliant (the landing page they listed is not the one I posted on here, nor was that one compliant).

Either that or they forgot which email address they were sending from, they probably meant to send it from the @BGO.com one.

Oh, wait, now heres the good part.

Richard Skelhorn owns Atemi group who own 123casinos that are sending the emails.
I got the email a few hours after @Karolina Filip (the BGO rep) replied to this thread.
The email is written as if it is from a casino who has looked into my claims, rather than 123casinos themselves.
Guess who the co-founder of BGO is? Oh yes, Richard Skelhorn.

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Upper Mgmt.:Mr. Mark Everett, Chief Technical Officer
Mr. Paul Fitchford, Operations Manager
Mr. Alex Hold, Co-Founder
Mr. Richard Skelhorn, Co-Founder and Chief Executive Officer



So that pretty much confirms the spammers have a direct connection to BGO entertainment.

Heres a screenshot of part of the email, does anyone think this sounds like it is coming from the affiliate, or from a casino defending the affiliate?

2020-06-10 (7).png

And just a little more recent proof of the link between the companies.

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On the other hand, Richard Skelhorn, founder of operator BGO and affiliate Atemi, claims BGO has seen only an 8% growth in revenue and 4% growth in deposits. This increase is far from a "boom", he says.

“[BGO] is fortunate not to be reliant on a sports betting channel and so is net benefiting from the ‘lockdown’, but no more than it would if it had rained frequently in March and we had one or two high-margin days,” Skelhorn wrote in a blog post.


I can certainly understand why Karolina didn't want to discuss specifics now.
 
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colinsunderland

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pocketwin replied and are looking into it.
Amazing how many casinos actually reply when you start forwarding all the spam to them.

I emailed 123casinos back with

Presumably you meant to send this from a bgo address not the 123casino one?

They haven't replied. @Karolina Filip hasn't replied any more on the thread, or PM'd me as I requested. Maybe when you read this, you could ask christos thoma (the person who sent the unsigned email and works for Atemi) to explain how he conducted an investigation into himself?

@Casinomeister is this acceptable from an accredited casino, an affiliate sending hundreds of spam emails, then the rep acting like she doesn't know one of the co founders of the company she works for, is actually the one sending spam, then the affiliate sending an email that is clearly meant to have been sent by BGO?
 

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Still no reply from 123casinos, and obviously no reply from Karolina, hopefully when Bryan gets back he will have a look at this.
 

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Still no reply from 123casinos, and obviously no reply from Karolina, hopefully when Bryan gets back he will have a look at this.
I had a most interesting reply today from the ukgc mate regarding a issue close to my heart.
Obviously won’t post here, but many many unforeseen changes are among us.
 

colinsunderland

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So as the affiliate in question, nor @Karolina Filip have answered here or to my reply to the affiliate's email I have copied and pasted it in full below, just removing my domain.

Clearly it was meant to have came from BGO, not from the affiliate. 123casino is still advertising BGO so they haven't stopped them or anything.

This is dodgy as anything, the opt in data was faked, the rep failed to mention the clear link between them and the spammers, they did not have the correct terms and conditions on the site (the url in the email is not the one I mentioned) and the fact neither of the companies reply says it all.

I have today complained to the ICO, the ASA and the UKGC about the spamming, the forged opt in data, breaches of the GDPR, BGO's strong links to the spammers, along with the evidence, a little more than has been posted on here.

Dear Colin

This is in response to your post on the CasinoMeister forum (direct link) where you raise a concern regarding email spam that advertises 123Casinos.co.uk.

First of all, we'd like to apologise for the inconvenience and would like to re-iterate that we take compliance very seriously! As such, we launched an investigation into the affiliate in question and can confirm that the @mydomain.co.uk domain has been blacklisted and will no longer receive any emails from this affiliate.

However, we would like to point out that the affiliate was able to produce full optin details of all emails - there are a total of 28 @mydomain.co.uk emails registered with the site (listed below for your reference):

Email Address IP Datetime Stamp
123@mydomain.co.uk
81.104.113.115 2020-01-01 22:57:39
321cash@mydomain.co.uk
94.192.32.11 2020-03-06 15:26:51
55@mydomain.co.uk
5.180.220.190 2020-01-30 05:33:48
555@mydomain.co.uk
196.52.84.33 2019-11-16 07:11:38
aj673@mydomain.co.uk
2.100.244.83 2020-01-16 05:38:37
cashcat@mydomain.co.uk
91.125.148.57 2020-03-05 01:13:33
chashlands@mydomain.co.uk
2.124.94.34 2019-11-24 03:29:36
cod@mydomain.co.uk
109.146.168.65 2019-12-14 05:02:24
codemand@mydomain.co.uk
82.132.185.155 2020-01-19 08:58:22
cojlin@mydomain.co.uk
185.212.168.173 2020-02-27 08:23:24
col@mydomain.co.uk
188.220.247.139 2019-11-10 00:21:17
coli@mydomain.co.uk
188.220.247.139 2019-11-10 01:11:23
colin@mydomain.co.uk
188.220.247.139 2019-11-10 05:32:45
colo@mydomain.co.uk
86.152.231.48 2020-01-25 17:21:50
creditexpress@mydomain.co.uk
81.104.113.115 2019-12-28 16:26:54
dan@mydomain.co.uk
94.3.155.144 2020-01-03 06:51:51
david@mydomain.co.uk
194.35.117.19 2020-02-03 18:48:14
david1@mydomain.co.uk
194.35.117.19 2020-02-10 03:45:55
david2@mydomain.co.uk
194.35.117.19 2020-02-05 10:50:50
david5@mydomain.co.uk
194.35.117.19 2020-02-03 01:03:47
david6@mydomain.co.uk
194.35.117.19 2020-02-03 03:29:20
julia@mydomain.co.uk
81.159.130.159 2019-11-07 16:40:39
julia1@mydomain.co.uk
147.147.220.76 2020-02-13 11:28:02
lendingstream@mydomain.co.uk
176.253.174.69 2019-12-11 11:04:05
peachy@mydomain.co.uk
94.118.103.172 2020-02-01 10:07:20
quidfast@mydomain.co.uk
185.53.30.59 2020-02-07 17:43:38
test@mydomain.co.uk
86.151.212.188 2019-12-08 15:08:32
wizz@mydomain.co.uk
147.147.220.76 2020-03-02 21:40:17


The reason for the multiple emails is down to the affiliate’s ESP being designed to send one email to each address signed up to their database and depending on the interaction with the email itself they may be send another the next day or a few days later. The way the emails have been opened, clicked on and interacted with indicated a high level of interest which the ESP optimised for by continuing to send on a drip feed basis.

Regarding your concern about missing terms and conditions, we reviewed the landing page in question (
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) and can confirm that it is fully compliant with all terms listed as per the latest guidance by the UKGC.

We hope the above is helpful in resolving the issue and please do let us know should there be any further emails and we can investigate further.

Your sincerely,

123Casinos.com
 

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