Betvoyager Casino - No House Edge

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That sort of things sound very familiar, unfortunately :( I've had twice 7 times the same dozen in a row (the one I did not bet on) in 40 spins once. And I also believe I have got a screenshot somewhere of the same number coming up many times (6,7,8.. don't remember) in 20 spins along with the same dozen in almost all these spins.
So that's why I use shifting, and mix systems :)
 
Really,they have a large limits of bets (up 1 eurocent to 1000 EU).
It allows to use a systems.
Exactly! Nowhere around the Internet you cannot found so big Max/Min bet correlation - 100000:1 :thumbsup:
And yes, that's why it's possible to use systems (you should have a good bankroll though).
 
Looks like they are starting commission now. Either a) they build a critical mass or b) that whole 0% thing wasn't working out.
 
Looks like they are starting commission now. Either a) they build a critical mass or b) that whole 0% thing wasn't working out.
They take commission only for your winnings, i.e deposit 50, make it up to 100, and you will be charged only for 50.
And they don't take commission an from games without House Edde.

P.S. I think they built 'critical mass'
 
I've been reading the posts. You seem to know everything about them. Do you play exclusively there?
I used to play at many casinos, but now I play only at two of them: BetVoyager, and bet365, because I trust them and they always pay. And of course, I love their games :)
As for BetVoyager, it's software was bought from Russian company BetLine, which developed and launched the very first online-casino with Randomness Control (MD5, SHA-256) - Hibet.ru. But when gambling (and online too) became prohibited in Russia - Hibet was closed.
BetVoyager uses the same software as Hibet.ru
Must say, their games are absolutely unique, and many of them you won't find anywhere.
 
I don't play at BetVoyager, but I've read this thread closely. Without a big bankroll, even with even odds, the casino will win.

Part of that is the nature of players...most of us will not quit 5% or 10% up.

I play slots mostly, so none of it is true for me. But you have a much better chance of losing less with a casino that has even odds.

You just lose more slowly. For those disciplined enough, with big enough bankrolls, you should break even.

My goal is not to break even, but to win. So even at a casino with zero edge, I expect to lose, maybe just not as much or as often.

BetVoyager has been doing this a long time, and still manages to be a profitable and reputable business.

The players that exploit such play (I hesitate to use the word "abuse") are outweighed by the gamblers overall IMO.
 
I don't play at BetVoyager, but I've read this thread closely. Without a big bankroll, even with even odds, the casino will win.

I play slots mostly, so none of it is true for me. But you have a much better chance of losing less with a casino that has even odds.

You just lose more slowly. For those disciplined enough, with big enough bankrolls, you should break even.

My goal is not to break even, but to win. So even at a casino with zero edge, I expect to lose, maybe just not as much or as often.

BetVoyager has been doing this a long time, and still manages to be a profitable and reputable business.

No, even odds has nothing to do with the size of your bankroll. Of course, with a small bankroll, losing it is much more likely but it is counter-balanced by a chance to win big from a small deposit.

You said your goal "is not to break even, but to win". Well, zero house edge gives the absolutely best chances for that if you don't take into account bonuses. To put it another way: if you play reguraly at a certain casino which has positive house edge games the chances that you are still ahead after one year of playing might be 10% or even less than 1%. With zero house edge the chances of being ahead are 50% independent of how much you play. That's a huge difference long-term wise. Any player who is recreational gambler not playing in order to "abuse" bonuses should always play zero house edge games. After all the house edge is the only thing casinos make profit from.
 
Your friend is just paranoid,there is no reason for them to rig games,the little they would make off rigging the game would not compare to the amount they would lose if they were ever exposed as having cheating software,just look at all the rogues that got accused here of having cheating software,they just vanished and had to change their names and they are still having trouble.
The only thing bad about them(Betvoyager) is they do not process check withdrawals or offer comps(I think) which is the only reason I do not play there...I play at betfair but would rather play at betvoyager casino,betfair poker and their other games pown* betvoyager right now,also I don't think wire transfers are possible either for my country(canada).However I don't think there is a casino that is better than betvoyager at the moment for zero house edge games,in fact there only exists 2 websites out of thousands that offer the zero house edge feature,and the limits are like 1-1000 for zero House roulette at betvoyager o_O; The martingale comes to mind right now :),also keep in mind online casinos don't just make money off your deposits but also cross promotion,poker rake,financial spread betting commission,sports book commission etc etc etc...
It is not likely that the zero house edge section will make them go broke.

Your friend is just paranoid,there is no reason for them to rig games,the little they would make off rigging the game would not compare to the amount they would lose if they were ever exposed as having cheating software,just look at all the rogues that got accused here of having cheating software,they just vanished and had to change their names and they are still having trouble.

(taking off on my plane into casino land again,off topic a little wont be offended if you stop reading right here)

The other thing people do not understand is that playing without a house edge doesn't mean you will always break even,because the casinos have more money than you do he he!This is their "advantage" and they know a 100$ bankroll won't go far if luck doesn't prevail or if you keep playing after you win all the time :)
Take zero blackjack which has a little bit more variance for example,the 50/50 comes from suited blackjack and 5 card charlies,the suited blackjack gives the player like a 0.05% edge or something but if it never comes you didn't really get that advantage did you...You will more than likely have to invest 5$ more than the 3$ you get from the five card charlies or suited blackjacks and will always have a house edge until the day comes where you get the suited blackjack and charlie streaks.The 50/50 is based on millions of hands he he!Variance is key to the casino profits,they hope you will go broke before your variance comes or that you will have a bad luck streak go on "tilt" mode and overbet your bankroll and lose,the casinos have no emotions that is another advantage they have he he!

50/50 casino war would be a nice one do they have it?It would be virtually the same as playing the double feature on video poker without having to win he he!And all a person has to do to emulate the double after you win aspect just keep doubling your bet after winning.... he he!(he he is my trademark by the way)

*Pown-By perfectly blending pawn and own together gamers have crafted the word pown,it saves debating over saying I owned you or I pawned you.
 
Because they tax your winnings on the 0% house edge games at 10%...that means the games are 90%...not 100%. Probably works out the same as every other casino when the odds are calculated
 
Because they tax your winnings on the 0% house edge games at 10%...that means the games are 90%...not 100%. Probably works out the same as every other casino when the odds are calculated

Now that's a bummer. I thought the tax applied only to non-rake poker but it seems to affect zero house edge casino games as well. I guess offering a wide range of zero house edge games was too good to last :(
 
What do you mean by they tax your winnings??They take 10% of your withdrawals?Does this only apply to US citizens?

It applies to everyone. Here is how they word it:

Fees for deposits and withdrawals

When players add funds to their gaming accounts, BetCruise covers any commissions charged by the payment system.

During a withdrawal of funds from the gambling portal to third-party payments systems, a 10% house fee will be taken from the player's net winnings. There is no house fee on winnings from casino games that do not offer equal odds. Players can gamble for a long time on equal odds casino games and rake free poker, or make sports bets without any house fee. The house fee will only be charged on a withdrawal of net winnings.

During a withdrawal of funds, first the sum of the deposit is returned, and then the winnings, from which a house fee will be taken.

Example: a player makes a 100 deposit, wins 50 and then requests a withdrawal of 120. Under this scenario, the net winnings exceed the deposit by 20, i.e. a 10% house fee equals 2.
 
Betvoyager 10% Tax

Actually the 10% tax seems be even worse than I thought. Today I tested regural non-zero house edge games, deposited 180 and withdrew 56 in the end so I lost 124 on non-zero house edge games. And I was taxed full 10% of my 56 withdrawal. That can't be right...
 
It applies to everyone. Here is how they word it:

Fees for deposits and withdrawals

When players add funds to their gaming accounts, BetCruise covers any commissions charged by the payment system.

During a withdrawal of funds from the gambling portal to third-party

From the GAMBLING PORTAL ??? Oh my god...This ain't tax it's a damn commission to their partners sneaker bastads
 
Actually the 10% tax seems be even worse than I thought. Today I tested regural non-zero house edge games, deposited 180 and withdrew 56 in the end so I lost 124 on non-zero house edge games. And I was taxed full 10% of my 56 withdrawal. That can't be right...

Obviously looking at the T&C's posted it is not right.
Let us know how you get on with your complaint.
 
Actually the 10% tax seems be even worse than I thought. Today I tested regural non-zero house edge games, deposited 180 and withdrew 56 in the end so I lost 124 on non-zero house edge games. And I was taxed full 10% of my 56 withdrawal. That can't be right...

Just file a complaint, or send them an email thhrough internam email system, or contact Support in chat.
 
What I also like in BetVoyager is their Support.
If you send them an email - usually you will receive reply in less than 30 minutes.
And if you have found a bug - you will receive a bonus for it :thumbsup:
 
What I also like in BetVoyager is their Support.
If you send them an email - usually you will receive reply in less than 30 minutes.
And if you have found a bug - you will receive a bonus for it :thumbsup:

Well let's see if they give me any bonuses, probably not. Also my withdrawal to Moneybookers wasn't processed in 24 hrs so it is far from instant anymore.

After doing some more experiments on non zero house edge games it seems that the 10% tax is applied to winnings in those games too. At least this is how it works on my account and that's just not right.
 
Well let's see if they give me any bonuses, probably not. Also my withdrawal to Moneybookers wasn't processed in 24 hrs so it is far from instant anymore.

After doing some more experiments on non zero house edge games it seems that the 10% tax is applied to winnings in those games too. At least this is how it works on my account and that's just not right.

Sorry to hear this, Jufo. I haven't played at BetVoyager for a while, so I didn't experience these problems as you have. All I can say (again) is to contact Support and raise an issue. I will test it from my side, and if any problems will be found - I will contact them.
As for slow pay, honeslty, I don't know what to say. But I always send them an email (internal) asking to approve and proceed my w/d, and it helps (I hope) :)
Did they ever pay you right?
They always pay.
 
Well let's see if they give me any bonuses, probably not. Also my withdrawal to Moneybookers wasn't processed in 24 hrs so it is far from instant anymore.

After doing some more experiments on non zero house edge games it seems that the 10% tax is applied to winnings in those games too. At least this is how it works on my account and that's just not right.

Sorry to hear this, Jufo. I haven't played at BetVoyager for a while, so I didn't experience these problems as you have. All I can say (again) is to contact Support and raise an issue. I will test it from my side, and if any problems will be found - I will contact them.
As for slow pay, honeslty, I don't know what to say. But I always send them an email (internal) asking to approve and proceed my w/d, and it helps (I hope) :)
Did they ever pay you right?
They always pay.
 
Do they offer any sign up bonus? I would like to try out the casino and was looking around through google in order to find more info. So far i didnt really find any negative comments.
 

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