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Betvoyager Casino - No House Edge

Discussion in 'Online Casinos' started by manblue, Feb 4, 2009.

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Have you made profit on BetVoyager?

  1. Yes :-)

    12.2%
  2. Not really, I usually break even...

    4.4%
  3. NO! I lost my money.

    12.2%
  4. I have never played at BetVoyager...

    71.1%
    Feb 4, 2009
  1. manblue

    manblue Dormant account

    Occupation:
    Gambler
    Location:
    Canada
    I have been doing a lot of research on the betvoyager casino, and I couldn't find anything bad about them.
    In fact they seem to be the best casino out there.

    -Min bet of 0.01 and max bet goes all the way to 1000
    (I think betvoyager is the ONLY casino that lets you make 1 cent bets)

    -Instant moneybookers payouts

    -no house edge

    -SHA-256 algorithm

    Am I missing something?
    My friend keeps telling me that it is possible for them to still manipulate the roulette numbers, because he thinks that with the random letters their software adds in the end they are still able to change the numbers in their favour...
     
  2. Feb 5, 2009
  3. me_and_ed

    me_and_ed Ueber Meister CAG MM

    Occupation:
    Selling out
    Location:
    Vancouver
    All M/G casino's allow penny bets.
     
  4. Feb 5, 2009
  5. manblue

    manblue Dormant account

    Occupation:
    Gambler
    Location:
    Canada
    Does M/G stand for micro gaming?
    Are you sure there are any other casinos that allow 1 cent betting on roulette?
     
  6. Feb 5, 2009
  7. me_and_ed

    me_and_ed Ueber Meister CAG MM

    Occupation:
    Selling out
    Location:
    Vancouver
    I dont know, your post doesn't specifically state roulette. As one of your first posts it sure sounds shillish though. Anyway our resident Betvoyager expert is Slotmonster.
     
  8. Feb 5, 2009
  9. manblue

    manblue Dormant account

    Occupation:
    Gambler
    Location:
    Canada
    sorry, I noticed that. I should have specified that I was talking about roulette...
     
  10. Feb 5, 2009
  11. SlotMonster

    SlotMonster SoftSwiss Representative webmeister

    Occupation:
    Manager
    Location:
    Somewhere in eternity
    BetVoyager

    Your friend isn't right, mate. their software adds random letters to the end of the string only to reinforce the protection of SHA-checksum and to make it more difficult to encrypt. But I really doubt comeone could some day do this. SHA-256 is absolutely irresistible. I'm playing here almost a year, and have made very nice profit playing their Roulette.
     
  12. Feb 5, 2009
  13. SlotMonster

    SlotMonster SoftSwiss Representative webmeister

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    Manager
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    Somewhere in eternity
    And I almost forgot to add, that by shifting numbers on Roulette you also protect yourself from cheating...
     
  14. Feb 5, 2009
  15. manblue

    manblue Dormant account

    Occupation:
    Gambler
    Location:
    Canada
    when you play do you usually shift the numbers?
    And if you don't mind me asking, how much money have you deposited and how much have you cashed out?
     
  16. Feb 5, 2009
  17. Tengil

    Tengil Senior Member

    Occupation:
    -
    Location:
    Finland
    Im still very suspicious about the whole group (Betcruise). Just look at the poker room (betraiser), they take no rake. How could they possibly be making anything else than a loss?:confused:
     
  18. Feb 5, 2009
  19. SlotMonster

    SlotMonster SoftSwiss Representative webmeister

    Occupation:
    Manager
    Location:
    Somewhere in eternity
    It's time-limited promotion, only to attract players. I think in the very near future they will start taking rake.
     
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  20. Feb 5, 2009
  21. Tengil

    Tengil Senior Member

    Occupation:
    -
    Location:
    Finland
    Well they seemed to have failed. They dont seem to have any active cash players.
     
  22. Feb 5, 2009
  23. SlotMonster

    SlotMonster SoftSwiss Representative webmeister

    Occupation:
    Manager
    Location:
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    Don't be so pessimistic, they opened onle maybe 6 months ago.
     
  24. Feb 5, 2009
  25. shoust

    shoust Full Member

    Occupation:
    Cleaner
    Location:
    England
    Don't you mean decrypt? :p

    In theory it could be possible that the set of numbers after the current set of numbers could be adapted to a particular betting pattern, this would not change the checksum but if you are changing betting strategies randomly after every set of numbers, it could be possible to beat it everytime, if that was the scenario, but it probably isn't, so there :p.
     
  26. Feb 5, 2009
  27. SlotMonster

    SlotMonster SoftSwiss Representative webmeister

    Occupation:
    Manager
    Location:
    Somewhere in eternity
    Yes, I meant decrypt, sorry. English is not my native language. :p
    As for betting strategy, shifting numbers wil also help. You may shift randonly every spin to receive completely random outcome. :)
     
  28. Feb 5, 2009
  29. tombee

    tombee Experienced Member

    Occupation:
    student
    Location:
    Wageningen, Netherlands
    This is the only casino I managed to loose a lot of the money I deposited in the last three months (except for some casino's where I tried slots with a bonus) playing BJ and Roulette. After doing lots of spins on the roulette table I decided that I do not trust it. I always play with a system, and in the beginning it worked a while, but after that no matter what I tried the numbers started to work against me in the most ridiculous ways just like if they where set to work against me/ my system. Lost a lot of money there, even though I play very carefully with small bets and do not take large risks. Really, I DO NOT trust it anymore.
     
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  30. Feb 5, 2009
  31. DiamondGeezer

    DiamondGeezer Dormant account PABnononaccred2 PABnoaccred PABaccred

    Occupation:
    Antiques Dealer
    Location:
    NOT Pennsylvania!!!

    This will be the maths exposing the flaws in your system and not the casino software as such. It is like the oil in your engine. If you have a weak point it will find it and leak out.
     
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  32. Feb 6, 2009
  33. SlotMonster

    SlotMonster SoftSwiss Representative webmeister

    Occupation:
    Manager
    Location:
    Somewhere in eternity
    It's gambling, mate. Sometimes we lose, sometimes we win. I managed to make nice profit from their Roulette to date (normally I do not play BJ), but I also had downswings. And I used "RC" and shifting with both barrels :)

    Repeat it ad nauseam: there is no system in the world which can beat Roulette, online or not. And if you are always usind the same betting system - surely the moment when your system fail will come. Remember: there is no system in the world which can beat Roulette. All systems just help you not to lose much money, or just help you to prolong your agony :D So in a long run you will always lose your money. And if you won - take money and run!

    It won't help. Small bets just smooth over the variance. In the long run you will lose your money.
     
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  34. Feb 6, 2009
  35. SlotMonster

    SlotMonster SoftSwiss Representative webmeister

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    This quotation never better do for your situation :)
     
  36. Feb 9, 2009
  37. tombee

    tombee Experienced Member

    Occupation:
    student
    Location:
    Wageningen, Netherlands
    Never claimed it to be a magic system ;) It's just to make it a little more interesting. I get so bored of flat betting in roulette.
    But anyway, you will not see me back there again. I've seen rediculous things... but not in the first two or three sessions, but even more so in ALL sessions after that. The chances of losing 200 euro (two times in a row!!) in a no-zero roulette doing spins of 30 ct to maybe 1 or 2 dollar betting on even chances should be very small imho :confused: And just for an idea, I did not play for hours in a row in one session, maybe an hour max and the money was gone.
    And I know systems should not work... I was one of many beginning my gambling career with the martingale on roulette. After winning 800 euro with that in the first session I lost way more after that untill I found out the whole system and all of it's variations were nonsense.
     
  38. Feb 9, 2009
  39. SlotMonster

    SlotMonster SoftSwiss Representative webmeister

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    Manager
    Location:
    Somewhere in eternity
    Tombee, I'm not trying to persuade you to get back and play here again, I'm just trying to say, that there is no any rediculous things, if your system at first time allows you to win, and then you lose. Sooner or later. Period.
    I have had many loosing streaks, playing their Roulette, but normally I play 3 or 4 hours. One time I lost more than 1000 euros with start bet in just 10 cents! Can you imagine how irritated I was? I was furious!!! But when I blew my steam off, I analysed my play, and didn't find anything strange. The secret was: I just used one system too long, and didn't use shifting. And that's why I started losing.
    I also summon you to use shifting. USE SHIFTING! Because it's an additional feature to avoid possible casino cheating. Even if sequence was generated "against you", just by shifting numbers (it's won't affect SHA-checksum) you can ruin all attempts to cheat, because casino soft doesn't "know" which number you may choose to shift and on which value.
    You may consider my post as tip to win: mix your systems while playing, randomly use shifting, and do not play every sequence to the end. That's why I earned more than 16.000 euros from them. And I was paid in full within one hour.
    And there is my final words: they are reliable, they have Randomness Control, they cannot cheat, they will always pay to you your winnings quickly, and they deserve to be the safe place to play!
     
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