Resolved Bad experience on BetPhoenixCasino!

[anniemac]

PiperSniper,

My original post still stands. If you want to resolve this, then Pitch A Bitch with Maxd and let him handle it. Or go to Central Dispute Systems or contact Real Time Gaming and file a complaint.

I don't know one thing about your problem at all, but if you feel you have a legitimate gripe, then there are ways to handle it other than a slug fest here.

Nothing is going to be accomplished by continuing on in this thread.

 

[vegetagirl2008]

You want us to help you but you are rather insulting..take the suggestion and PAB. Nicholas is being more than cordial here not to defend anyone. But your insults are not going to get you anywhere..

 

[jod5413]

Mr. PiperSniper,

I think the only person in this thread not understanding things is, unfortunately, you!

If you are not willing to file a PAB with Max, you probably should just move on with your business. You are only alienating yourself with the members here, and the more you try to bad mouth Nicholas and his casino the more ignorant you look.

Something to think about, No?

 

[jod5413]

Great Minds Think Alike!!!!! We are good, right ladies?

PiperSniper,

My original post still stands. If you want to resolve this, then Pitch A Bitch with Maxd and let him handle it. Or go to Central Dispute Systems or contact Real Time Gaming and file a complaint.

I don't know one thing about your problem at all, but if you feel you have a legitimate gripe, then there are ways to handle it other than a slug fest here.

Nothing is going to be accomplished by continuing on in this thread.

You want us to help you but you are rather insulting..take the suggestion and PAB. Nicholas is being more than cordial here not to defend anyone. But your insults are not going to get you anywhere..

Mr. PiperSniper,

I think the only person in this thread not understanding things is, unfortunately, you!

If you are not willing to file a PAB with Max, you probably should just move on with your business. You are only alienating yourself with the members here, and the more you try to bad mouth Nicolas and his casino the more ignorant you look.

Something to think about, No?

 

[PiperSniper]

@Marie,

You are exactly right - that is the case... You cant help others witout getting problems...

And the rest of you:

Why do i look bad?

It is not me, who have cheated for 600$!

The money have been "gone" in 1 month now!

Get the hat off! Where is that money - Why do you keep defending Nicolas??

A "PAB" will make this case go 3 more weeks... No, and NO! No more waiting - These money should have been paid!

Dont be naive, and think that Nicolas is all that!

Fact is, that he cant hold ANY promises, that he makes!

How about that?

 

[PiperSniper]

You have to understand, that I for one month, have tried, and tried!

Nothing happens....

So you guys on the sideline - Come with all ur words...

And take a stand, to what u read?????

Is there anything wrong from Mr BIG??? (Nicolas)

 

[PiperSniper]

And I am being unpolite???

NO, I am not!

I try and keep a normal language...

It is hard, when some casino cheat in this way!

 

[skiny]

Personally I don't think Nicholas is a big man. I'm not particularly fond of this casino or it's staff either but something is in the air. I can smell it.

The story seemed plausible at first but the longer I read your posts the less I believe it.

I could be wrong. I have been before....


.... I think it was on a tuesday...

 

[oldtrvlagt]

There is a very old saying.."You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink". You have been given the tools and shown how to use them on this particular forum. It is now up to you to decide whether to avail yourself of the tools and resources or not. Very simple. If not...then quit whining.

Disclaimer: My personal opinion...PiperSniper...make a decision.

 

[PiperSniper]

And, You are a wrong once again?

What prove you want??

How imbecil can people be?

Sorry for the hard words, I know, that I ruin a lot by my hard words.-...

But I simply dont get it!!!'

People take stands for a retard, that have cheated for money... That IS a fact....

 

[PiperSniper]

It took me 3 hours to put this story COMPLETELY together!

So everything was complete and correct....

And now, some of you, sit and dont get shit???

Jesus.....


I hope , that later today, some of the well people will wake up and read it...

 

[jod5413]

There is a very old saying.."You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink". You have been given the tools and shown how to use them on this particular forum. It is now up to you to decide whether to avail yourself of the tools and resources or not. Very simple. If not...then quit whining.

Disclaimer: My personal opinion...PiperSniper...make a decision.

Good post, Oldtrvlagt.

Maybe we aren't speaking loudly enough for him to hear, ya think?



EITHER PAB,

OR QUIT WHINING!!!



Did you hear that, PiperSniper?

 

[swampwitch]

Looks to me like he doesn't want help.

If I were the suspicious sort (snort!), I might believe that Mister Sniper here has a few too many accounts at his house, and opened another account at Mom's house and has been using her credit card without her knowing....and he needs to get it back ASAP before Mom finds out. He then comes here, figuring if he yells enough and belittles people enough we will all take every word of his as gospel, since he's just soooo much smarter than us imbeciles. His delusions of superiority tell him that Nicholas will just bow down and pay the money, because the Wrath of PiperSniper will ruin BetPhoenix's reputation by sheer force of will.

PAB and I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. If not...man up and pay your Mom.

 

[skiny]

And, You are a wrong once again?

What prove you want??

How imbecil can people be?

Sorry for the hard words, I know, that I ruin a lot by my hard words.-...

But I simply dont get it!!!'

People take stands for a retard, that have cheated for money... That IS a fact....

There are several things that you can do that will not help and some may even be detrimental to finding a solution to your problem.

First of all, you've already stated your case publicly and gave the casino the option of answering your accusations. Repeating it a dozen more times to the same people who've already read it really won't help.

Second of all, not understanding that everyone who reads your story might not believe that everything you say is true doesn't help either. I'm quite certain that you don't believe everything you hear or read either or take every fact you're given at face value. If this is the case you shouldn't expect everyone else to.

Also... This forum does offer it's services in some cases to act as a third party mediator and has helped many players in the past straighten out problems much like this one. You should understand that not wanting to take this route will definitely cause suspicion.

And lastly, showing up after I give my opinion, stating quite clearly that this is what I believe and that I could be wrong and then using misspelled words to insult my intelligence simply because I don't jump on the little bandwagon you're trying (And failing) to create against this casino doesn't exactly warm my heart to you or the little predicament that you seem to have got your self into.

And by the way... It's rEEtard.

 

[lagunagirl]

You have to understand, that I for one month, have tried, and tried!

Nothing happens....

So you guys on the sideline - Come with all ur words...

And take a stand, to what u read?????

Is there anything wrong from Mr BIG??? (Nicolas)

I think that members here gave you excellent advice. PAB and let the professional people handle it. If you are in the right..you will get the money. What is another 3 weeks at this point if at least you get your money.

As far as this casino, there is something that is just not right. I also went there because of the name *Nicolas Johnson* and the reputation he has had. SOMETHING is just not right and that is all I'm saying and I hope it will work out for Nicolas and not kill his reputation in the long run.

 

[maxd]

@PiperSniper: Needless to say I think the readership here have given you exactly the right advice re: doing the PAB thing ASAP. That said I see that you have objections to the PAB process which I'd like to address:

"a PAB will take 3 more weeks": this is not necessarily true at all.

I will process your PAB the day I receive it, likely within a few hours. Nicolas has said he's ready and waiting to receive it, so I should have a response within a day, at most. Give me half a day to do any cross-checking that is necessary and I estimate you should have your answer in less than three days, never mind three weeks.

However if there are problems with your case, yes, things could drag on a bit but you've stated it's a very simple, black-and-white situation so there is no reason to expect trouble.

You've further stated that you don't want to PAB because "I owe other casinoplayers, to warn about bad casinoes??? ... I want this case to be known".

I think it's fair to say that you've already accomplished that. Furthermore you are normally free to post about your PAB after the process completes which, as stated above, should only be a few days. Only in cases of blatant player fraud or false PAB claims -- in other words lies -- would your freedom to post on the subject be curtailed.

In other words the PAB process should in no way affect your desire to publicize your case, aside from the few days of black-out while the PAB is being processed.

Finally I should mention that in most cases people refuse to PAB because (a) they know that something will come out during the PAB process that they would rather keep hidden, or (b) they are really just trying to twist the casino's arm with their negative publicity on the forums so the PAB, being a closed and private process, doesn't serve their purpose at all. As I'm sure you can imagine neither of these approaches is likely to make the person with the complaint very popular on these forums.

I do hope you will reconsider and PAB immediately. I give you my word that the case will be handled as quickly as possible.

Regards,
Max Drayman
Casinomeister.com, Player Complaints Manager and Forum Moderator

 

[maxd]

PS. Calling people "retard" is very uncool. Please re-read the Forum Rules because you'll see that name-calling and derogatory statements like this can get you kicked off the forums.

1. General Posting Rules:

1.1 - No "Flaming": Please do not post any messages that harass, insult, belittle, threaten or flame another member or guest. Abusive behavior will not be tolerated and your account may be suspended. ....

 

[all4greed]

Why do I get the feeling I just wasted my time reading this thread when it will go nowhere?

 

[chayton]

I don't really understand the problem or why there would even be the need for a PAB in the first place. Nicholas said in his post that that the total deposits (which amounted to more than the withdrawal in the first place) had already been refunded to the OPs (or mom's or whatever) CC right? So if the deposits were refunded, why would they pay the withdrawal too?

I tell you I'd be positively THRILLED if any casino refunded all my deposits! I know it would be a hell of a lot more than any WDs I've gotten from them. Unless it was refunded to a CC that didn't actually belong to me. Just saying...

 

[Cristian]

"He said, that we should take pictures of my mom sitting at her computer playing on betphoenix casino." / what a joke

 

[P.V.]

"He said, that we should take pictures of my mom sitting at her computer playing on betphoenix casino." / what a joke

Many times, not this site that I've seen but other places, Players are asked to take a picture of them self for ID verification. No joke.

 

[Casinomeister]

@ Pipersniper

If your mother doesn't speak or understand English, why didn't she open an account at a casino localized in Danish with Danish support? I'm sure there are a couple out there

The beauty of playing online is that fraudulent players are easily caught via their game play history. Joe blow plays a certain way, then his "mom" opens an account and plays identically - what a coincidence and these similarities are easily detected by reviewing their game play.

I'm not saying that this is what happened here - I'm sure this guy will redeem himself when he PABs.

 

[pevangel]

I am sorry but I am with the others PAB is a good thing and will bring out the entire truth, so what if it takes another 3 weeks maybe, it would be well worth it IMO. I do not understand why you are fighting the PAB Maxd would be unbiased and only get to the truth, this is his job and he has been doing it very well for a very long time, you really should trust him.

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[Casinomeister]

I am sorry but I am with the others PAB is a good thing and will bring out the entire truth, so what if it takes another 3 weeks maybe, it would be well worth it IMO. I do not understand why you are fighting the PAB Maxd would be unbiased and only get to the truth, this is his job and he has been doing it very well for a very long time, you really should trust him.

pevangel

And like Max said, it would only take probably a couple of days to sort out.

 

[pevangel]

And like Max said, it would only take probably a couple of days to sort out.

See Bryan says it would probably take a couple of days and Maxd says probably 3 days or less also, so what is the harm in doing a PAB, it would get your issue resolved quickly.


pevangel