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Avalon MG @ Allslots

Discussion in 'Online Casinos' started by slotsoffun, Jan 8, 2011.

    Jan 8, 2011
  1. slotsoffun

    slotsoffun Full Member

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    Hi all, hope this is the correct place, I'm a newbie.

    So I deposited £100 into my Allslots account yesterday, had loads of game play with small wins on Tomb Raider Secrect of the Sword but couldn't get anything big.

    So with just over £120 in the pot I had a flutter on Hellboy. Straight away it was playing nice, nothing massive (was only wagering 60p bets) but lots of bonus rounds and a couple Supermodes all in 20 mins. Was about to give up for the night and break even when 4 x2 Wilds and a Hellboy dropped in for £390 (from a 60p bet) and then straight into Supermode for another £60 on top. Nice.

    All went quiet after that so switched to Avalon. Was a hundred quid in at £1 bets when another bonus round span in and totalled £580. Straight after 2 x £50 wins dropped in to.

    So I've now got £900 in the bank. played down to £750 then withdraw, only woke this morning and yes you guessed it - I blew the lot. Why does All Slots have the reverse withdraw feature.

    Any way I blew it all on Avalon, that £750 got me over 2000 £1 spins and in that time i only hit the bonus round ONCE for £32.00

    Anyone enocountrd this sort of tightness before? I mean if it only gave me small wins fair enough but it just wouldn't give a bonus round.

    1 in 2000 spins??? any suggestions?
     
  2. Jan 8, 2011
  3. steveh35

    steveh35 Senior Member

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    Know that feeling best to play at Ladbrokes where your withdraw cant be reversed or 32Red where you can flush your withdraw.
     
  4. Jan 8, 2011
  5. KasinoKing

    KasinoKing WebMeister & Slotaholic.. CAG MM PABnonaccred webmeister

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    Well, I can tell you that the odds of triggering the free-spins on Avalon is exactly 1 in every 166.88 spins, so you were incredibly unlucky... :(

    The only suggestion I have, as you'd probably expect, is NEVER reverse a withdrawal.
    I you feel you don't have that will power, maybe better to look for a casino who flush, like Steve said.

    Welcome to the Forum! :thumbsup:
    KK
     
  6. Jan 8, 2011
  7. rainmaker

    rainmaker I'm not a penguin CAG webmeister

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    KainoKing: "NEVER reverse a withdrawal"...words of visdom :)

    My previous casino (centrebet.com) has added a "cancel withdrawal" opportunity. They did not have this "button" before, but now they do.
     
  8. Jan 8, 2011
  9. De Beuker

    De Beuker Senior Member

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    Avalon can be a real b*tch when its in stonecoldmode, and it obviously was.
    But the cold, dry streaks are pretty easy to spot, no wilds in sight, no treasure chests (at least no 3oak/4oak), and hardly any scatters.
    So you're left with only small 'wins' that pay less than your bet back.
    When the game plays like that, run for the hills!

    One feauture in 2000 spins is next to impossible if you ask me, but Avalon is known for giving out next to impossible sequences, like 50 dead spins (zero return) in a row.
    But ofcourse the game is truly 100% random and no dynamic weighting is done, ofcourse not.:rolleyes:
     
  10. Jan 8, 2011
  11. slotsoffun

    slotsoffun Full Member

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    I reported it to support via live chat whilst playing but I don't think the guy (he had a foreign name) understood me. He said there had been an offer on freespins on Avalon so added £20 quid to my bonus. Now that was RANDOM.

    Wondering whether to forward it to the All slots or Jackpot Factory rep on here? Sure there not going to do a lot, that'll go completely against the fact slots are supposedly RANDOM, but if they see there clientel swapping info or giving stay away from this slot signs, they may loosen things up, no?

    I didn't think so either.
     
  12. Jan 8, 2011
  13. De Beuker

    De Beuker Senior Member

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    Problem is, you can never ever prove anything.
    We roughly calculated the odds of hitting nothing 50 times in a row based on the reel strips layout and came to a figure that even modern astronomists have not yet invented a word for, it would take the entire world population to spin the slot 24/7 for the next 200 million years or so, still this is not concidered 'proof', because it still CAN happen.

    Just take it as a lesson learned, I've been there, done that many times, and it utterly sucks.
    But you can take it as a rule that if your first 50 spins generate you hardly any returns, your next 50 (or many more) spins wont be much better.
     
  14. Jan 8, 2011
  15. steveh35

    steveh35 Senior Member

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    Questions:

    I got 8 out of 10 on Keno on Betfair last week (25p) 1000X win if i had played normal £1 or £2 would I have still got the same result is it based on amount you stake or not?

    If I play on a MG game tonight and then go back tomorrow will i get the same result as if I had carried on tonight?

    Are the spins already set out for you? Or are you competing with other people on Dragons 8 (Coral formally Betfair) the game number increases by 7 if you spin at same speed but if you have a gap the number is greater so I assume you compete with others and its pure luck?

    Does the casino know when you down to your last £1 sometimes you strangely get a win on the last spin of the last amount you have left?
     
  16. Jan 8, 2011
  17. slotsoffun

    slotsoffun Full Member

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    Good questions. I have loads like this.

    Like when playing TSII for example (or any none progressive video slot), is everyone using one RNG or host (like multi player on line gaming for example) or is each player connected to and individule instance of the game on the server???
     
  18. Jan 9, 2011
  19. steveh35

    steveh35 Senior Member

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    Anyone able to answer the queestions I know we have a lot of people on here who study casinos.
     
  20. Jan 9, 2011
  21. KasinoKing

    KasinoKing WebMeister & Slotaholic.. CAG MM PABnonaccred webmeister

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    All very good questions I'm sure we'd ALL like to know the answers too.
    Unfortunately I don't know the answers, nor I guess, do any other players.
    The only people who REALLY know are the software designers and maybe the top management at the casinos - and I don't think any of them are poised to come here and give us the truth.
    Mind you - even if they did come & post, chances are no-one would believe them anyway... unless they admitted things are rigged! :(

    KK
     
  22. Jan 9, 2011
  23. petro

    petro Dormant account, per user request PABnoaccred2 PABaccred

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    This casino used to be my favourite until it became obvious that they were playing casino tricks on their customers.

    9/10 (90%) times when you want to get a flush or have a withdrawal question, live help ignores you.

    They will leave you waiting for 30+ minutes and still wont answer.

    They do this because of players like OP, in hopes that winners will blow it all their winnings away.

    It is so bad that I am considering having a word to Tex at eCOGRA about it.

    While AllSlots/Jackpot Factory will not steal your money like many other online casinos they will sink to the level of playing dirty tricks.
     
  24. Jan 9, 2011
  25. De Beuker

    De Beuker Senior Member

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    I can only tell you what I THINK is the answer, again, I do not have solid proof of anything, its all speculation based on personal experience and reading the forums.


     
  26. Jan 9, 2011
  27. gerilege

    gerilege Meister Member PABnorogue PABrogue

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    Avalon is not an high variance game, but it has at least 40-50% of its payout% in the feature. So not getting the feature for a long time means bust.
     
  28. Jan 9, 2011
  29. Seventh777

    Seventh777 RIP Roy

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    In reply to Steveh35`s questions and in particular the Keno one, it is IMHO that the variance/algorithms/RNG changes dramatically with this game according to your stake, this works both ways ie:- if you are betting to low on fewer numbers (will dig out the screenshots where I was playing £1 a go x5 numbers and raised stake to £10 and £5 and hit all 5 at 2 different casinos, and hit 7 from 7 at Virgin`s King Keno twice for £614 a hit, for .50p bets).

    So yes, without any shadow of a doubt and from my personal experiences I believe Keno is very much governed by respective bet sizes, I have spent hundreds of hours playing this game and I have yet to hit a large numbers high bet or a fewer numbers low bet combo, my best hit to date is 12 from 15 for a .25p bet multi card Keno hit (taking how many numbers hit into consideration ofc and not the payout amount).
     
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  30. Jan 9, 2011
  31. Seventh777

    Seventh777 RIP Roy

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    The screenshots, 1st one is Ladbrokes (games), I must have played well over 100 games at £1 a go and the most numbers hit was 3 from 5, so I raised stake to £5 and the 2nd hit was.......

    View attachment 24542

    A few weeks after I was playing at Zodiac, identical 5 numbers and I started at £2 a go, several goes later I remembered what I done at Ladbrokes so I thought what the hell, I wonder if it will hit at £10 a go, 6 hits later and.....

    View attachment 24543

    This got me thinking, I had noticed at Virgins the odds were far greater for Keno as they had reduced low hit wins ie 1-2-3 ball hits and increased the returns for hits on 5-6-7 numbers, also I got greedy and went for my lucky number and opted 7 numbers without picking seven (a superstitious thing x2 number seven will cancel the good luck lol) so I deposited a £100 there and went through it like the proverbial hot knife and butter at £5 a go, with around £10 left I dropped stake to .50p a go and my 7th game hit this..........

    View attachment 24544

    Not conclusive proof of anything I guess, but one helluva coincidence that all 3 hits were a result of changing the stake ;).
     
  32. Jan 10, 2011
  33. Diane

    Diane Ueber Meister PABnoaccred

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    I you feel you don't have that will power, maybe better to look for a casino who flush, like Steve said.

    Welcome to the Forum! :thumbsup:
    KK[/QUOTE]

    Well, KK - my second question of the day. What is flush or flushable mean?

    Thanks,

    Diane
     
  34. Jan 10, 2011
  35. gerilege

    gerilege Meister Member PABnorogue PABrogue

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    Happens once in around every 12.725 trials of 2000 consecutive spins in case the probability of hitting the feature is 1/166.88 as KK wrote. Not frequent, but not astronomical.
     
  36. Jan 10, 2011
  37. KasinoKing

    KasinoKing WebMeister & Slotaholic.. CAG MM PABnonaccred webmeister

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    It is the term used for when casinos will stop your withdrawal from being reversible so you don't get tempted to play it all back!
    In some cases they just block your reversal, while in others they will process your withdrawal sooner, meaning you will get your money quicker.

    I'm no expert on this because I NEVER reverse withdrawals. Simmo is the one to ask as I believe he has very good tables of "flushing" casinos & withdrawal times on one (or more) of his websites.

    KK
     
  38. Jan 10, 2011
  39. Nifty29

    Nifty29 Dormant account

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    So true KK - sad, but so true. :(
     

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