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RTG have been beset with problematic licensees from the start - their name is synonymous with headaches and heartaches for a great many people, players, portal owners and industry-observers alike. A lot of the blame can be apportioned to RTG themselves with their seemingly free-and-easy approach to licensing out the software to inappropriate clients, those without sufficient financial backing or the necessary knowledge and experience to operate successfully in the online casino business. In the early years, rarely a day went by without a problem with an RTG casino being reported to the online gambling community via one of the portal forums, ranging from physical closure of the casino without warning leaving a stack of creditors, to the frequent bonus-related problems, usually caused by over-generous promotion campaigns that cause the casino to panic retrospectively at the prospect of paying out too much, resulting in players being held to rules and regulations that were not in place when they signed up for the promotion in question. It would be impossible to list here even the major issues that we've seen over the years, several of which have been protracted and bloody.

The software itself is lithe, light and whippy, weighing as little as five or six megabytes, and again you can chose the games you want to download without any "force-feeding"; like Cryptologic, there are some quality games, both blackjack-variant and video poker. A unique characteristic of RTG is that the individual casinos have some control over certain aspects of the software: they can set the number of decks in the blackjack games from one to eight, they can adjust the paytables on the video poker machines (a luxury some licensees have been known to abuse) and they can set the "percentage payout" on the slots. This has sometimes led to player speculation that that licensees have control over the actual functioning (or malfunctioning) of the casino's Random Number Generator. This is unlikely, and at best speculation - I've played an awful lot of RTG table and video poker games and I'm perfectly happy with the overall results.


It states they could randomly change the RTP on the slots without having to request a change via the software provider. Who started that rumor here they had to request a change anyhow? I'd like to read the regulation that states that.

I once noticed a pay out change while playing at a RTG site with "Let it Ride" I spoke with a CR and I was told to sign out and back in and sure enough it was back to normal. I would believe there's even more control then this article is saying.
 
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4 of a kind, I don't know where you have been getting all of these articles from lately that you have been copying and posting here but someone needs to tell ya bro that what you are doing is simply article theft.

If you are going to copy and post others hard work here, the least you can do is give them a linkback to the original source article!

That just happens to be an article that you swiped from Caruso's site there...not cool bro!
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4 of a kind, I don't know where you have been getting all of these articles from lately that you have been copying and posting here but someone needs to tell ya bro that what you are doing is simply article theft.

If you are going to copy and post others hard work here, the least you can do is give them a linkback to the original source article!
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How do I do that?? Been getting these articles all over the place while on my crusade trying to gather regulations. I don't recall reading any copyright disclaimers.
 
How do I do that?? Been getting these articles all over the place while on my crusade trying to gather regulations. I don't recall reading any copyright disclaimers.

It is in fact copyright infringement whether the site says so or not...when that content is original to that particular site.
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Thank you, but how did you do that if you don't mind me asking?

You just copy the domain address in the address bar of your browser and paste it here, hold down the left mouse button and swipe backwards in the address bar until it all turns blue and then right cick on copy.

Or you can just simply left click once in the address bar and it will automatically highlight that link and then you can copy it.
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Hiya: I really am asking this from a neutral point of view. If RTG is so bad, then why does the Wizard of Oddsz say they are the best, and went so far as to get rid of all the Casino's he was endorsing, and only keep BoDog, a RTG Casino? Why is there a link at the bottom of this website to his web site, if he is promoting a, "Suspect" brand of software?

Yes, Bodog made some changes recently, but until then, they had the same RTG setup as everyone else. I mean if, "Gone Gambling" started promoting Casino's, or Software, that was in the rogue pit here, i doupt that their link would remain on the bottom of this website?

I am just asking, nothing else.
 
It is called money, as in affiliate etc fees... No need to cut off a souce of income, now is it?

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silcnlayc, when you make broad sweeping statements like the one you made above you are bringing that persons credibility and integrity into question here as you just did regarding The Wizard Of Odds. Do you not realize this or was it intentional for you to do that?

I think most informed posters here would agree that Michael Shackleford's credibility and reputation in this industry is beyond reproach. He is a professional actuary for gawds sake!
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silcnlayc, when you make broad sweeping statements like the one you made above you are bringing that persons credibility and integrity into question here as you just did regarding The Wizard Of Odds. Do you not realize this or was it intentional for you to do that?

I think most informed posters here would agree that Michael Shackleford's credibility and reputation in this industry is beyond reproach. He is a professional actuary for gawds sake!
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And let's not forget that it was Shackleford's analysis of the hand histories, and HIS subsequent findings ie. impossible outcomes...that finally pushed Absolute Poker into admitting what was going on. Prior to that, it was nothing but denial.
 
Why is there a link at the bottom of this website to his web site, if he is promoting a, "Suspect" brand of software?

Yes, Bodog made some changes recently, but until then, they had the same RTG setup as everyone else. I mean if, "Gone Gambling" started promoting Casino's, or Software, that was in the rogue pit here, i doupt that their link would remain on the bottom of this website?
I think most informed posters here would agree that Michael Shackleford's credibility and reputation in this industry is beyond reproach. He is a professional actuary for gawds sake!
Why would making a living off of links be anything against his reputation and credibility? I never even considered that. You make it sound like no one makes a living off of their links and such..if he doesn't make any money and this is true, then I apologize for thinking he was in the business of making a living....otherwise, that it would affect his reputation making money never entered MY head..why did it YOURS? It also does not diminish his contributions and input and findings to others...why would you even think this is what I was saying?

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Why would making a living off of links be anything against his reputation and credibility? I never even considered that. You make it sound like no one makes a living off of their links and such..if he doesn't make any money and this is true, then I apologize....otherwise, that it would affect his reputation making money never entered MY head..why did it YOURS? It also does not diminish his contributions and input and findings to others...why would you even think this is what I was saying?

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Because it is not fact...he makes his living from being a "professional actuary"....hence the reason I said you were making broad sweeping statements.
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Added a source link to the original article :thumbsup:

Recent information I had suggested that RTG software used to allow operators to change the RTP but after some abuse, they removed that functionality and now operators have to request it from RTG. A couple of years ago or more from what I was told, so not sure how recent that article is - might want to ask him :)

Bodog (according to BodogBecky) bought the RTG source code a while back and changed it so Bodog is now effectively different software. They have added CTXM games (thx Alexandre) and stuff and no longer regard it as RTG, but propretary.
 
Added a source link to the original article :thumbsup:

Recent information I had suggested that RTG software used to allow operators to change the RTP but after some abuse, they removed that functionality and now operators have to request it from RTG. A couple of years ago or more from what I was told, so not sure how recent that article is - might want to ask him :)

Don't have clue how old that article is since it wasn't listed anywhere.


"but after some abuse, they removed that functionality and now operators have to request it from RTG"

Who told you that function was removed? Other then word of mouth, where could we read that in fact that is a regulation?
 
Don't have clue how old that article is since it wasn't listed anywhere.


"but after some abuse, they removed that functionality and now operators have to request it from RTG"

Who told you that function was removed? Other then word of mouth, where could we read that in fact that is a regulation?

Was told it at a conference by the owner of an RTG casino on the accredited list when discussing Virtual Group shenanigans. I'm not sure there is documentation publically available from any software provider that confirms whether RTP can or can't be altered by licencees.
 
Added a source link to the original article :thumbsup:

Recent information I had suggested that RTG software used to allow operators to change the RTP but after some abuse, they removed that functionality and now operators have to request it from RTG. A couple of years ago or more from what I was told, so not sure how recent that article is - might want to ask him :)

Bodog (according to BodogBecky) bought the RTG source code a while back and changed it so Bodog is now effectively different software. They have added CTXM games (thx Alexandre) and stuff and no longer regard it as RTG, but propretary.


4OAK you will have to ask Caruso direct as I believe he (cough) is no longer posting here.
 
The high percentage of the most notoriously rogue casinos running RTG software, for so long, with so great a number of affiliates representing rogue operators and the live and let live attitude of legitimate RTG operators toward their rogue colleagues (even as the rogues, by association, obviously detract from the reputable site's images) combined with RTG's business as usual apathetic attitude regarding the business practices of their licensees, has fanned the flames of expansion of rogue operators (Crystal Palace Group - 9 sites, Virtual Group - 16 sites) and has all but made Real Time Gaming, itself, synonymous with the term, "rogue online casinos." All of the parties above, IMHO, are responsible, perhaps equally, perhaps unequally, for the current state of rogue RTG sites.

Affiliates posting in this forum, naturally, have an obvious incentive to apply damage control to any post which casts dispersion on any RTG site or operator since anything that can be attributed to one RTG site can effect public opinion on all RTG sites. Perhaps it would be a good idea for all CM members who are, in fact, affiliate site operators, to be required to identify themselves as such, if not voluntarily, then by default when registering and tagged as "Affiliate Member" and not just "Meister Member" or any other, arbitrary tag of their choosing.
 
Affiliates posting in this forum, naturally, have an obvious incentive to apply damage control to any post which casts dispersion on any RTG site or operator since anything that can be attributed to one RTG site can effect public opinion on all RTG sites.

I don't think that's fair, but then I'm an affiliate so I am incentivised to say that ;) Actually I think most affiliates here are as entitled to an opinion as a player is, especially when most of the affs at Casinomeister are also players. In some cases they are player first, affiliate second in fact.

Besides you can spot an affiliate from their signature or profile anyway if you want to ignore them.
 
And let's not forget that it was Shackleford's analysis of the hand histories, and HIS subsequent findings ie. impossible outcomes...that finally pushed Absolute Poker into admitting what was going on. Prior to that, it was nothing but denial.

AFAIK he didnt have that much to do with the Absolute Poker case. Basically just verifying the results on POTRIPPER.
 
I don't think that's fair, but then I'm an affiliate so I am incentivised to say that ;) Actually I think most affiliates here are as entitled to an opinion as a player is, especially when most of the affs at Casinomeister are also players. In some cases they are player first, affiliate second in fact.

Besides you can spot an affiliate from their signature or profile anyway if you want to ignore them.

OK. How about: "Some affiliates posting in this forum may have an obvious incentive to apply damage control to any post which casts dispersion on any RTG site or operator since anything that can be attributed to one RTG site can effect public opinion on all RTG sites."

I am comfortable with that and I agree that applying that opinion to all affiliate CM members was unfair and not my original intent, despite the evidence to the contrary.

But do you think it's not fair that all affiliates be identified as affiliates by default?

The latter point, I should think, would have been a given until, after a year or so of CM membership, I began to realize that there are CM members who post on this forum who are, in fact, affiliates but not identified as affiliates. I was never looking for which posts were authored by affiliates. It never occurred to me. And I certainly was never primed in how to spot affiliate posts when I registered. But it did gall me to learn that an unidentifiable number of the posts I had been reading for a year were, in fact, penned by affiliates. Some of those posts contributed to forming my personal opinions on every topic I perused in this forum and now, it turns out, that I had no way of knowing what perspective had actually inspired those posts. For affiliates to be able to post as civilians and not be identified as affiliates, by default, is not fair to members who are only players, IMHunbiasedO. To non-affiliate members, whether the poster is or isn't an affiliate, may be more significant than whether or not a poster is even a player. It most definitely is, to me.
 
The high percentage of the most notoriously rogue casinos running RTG software, for so long, with so great a number of affiliates representing rogue operators and the live and let live attitude of legitimate RTG operators toward their rogue colleagues (even as the rogues, by association, obviously detract from the reputable site's images) etc...

What could they have done that would have made any difference? Also, do you have any knowledge of other casinos using different software (MG/PlayTech/etc.) speaking out against their rogue counterparts?

Just curious.
 
Was told it at a conference by the owner of an RTG casino on the accredited list when discussing Virtual Group shenanigans. I'm not sure there is documentation publically available from any software provider that confirms whether RTP can or can't be altered by licencees.


Why must all these online casinos insist on hiding in cyberspace? Why wouldn't they want to come forward and be proud of the regulations they have to abide by like land based casinos? Why whenever we corner a rep or a technician like mad-dog that use to post here, they cling to the 5th amendment in their contract that they have to remain silent? What the hell do these contracts say in them anyhow? I think their lives are actually threatened since not one stray rep or technician ever came forward and spilled the beans.

It's becoming more and more obvious there's much that needs to remain secret about their operations. With all my searches and requests for gaming regulations and classifications I couldn't come up with one word on either.

The only thing we could find out about online casinos operations is by someone that knows someone who said so.

I'm tired of reading all the bullshit about who said what and being forced to take their word for it. They (online casinos) keep everything secret because they don't want us the players to realize how little regulation there really is or actually is being enforced.

Online casinos prey on gamblers, like online pedophiles prey on kids.
 
But do you think it's not fair that all affiliates be identified as affiliates by default.

I don't have a problem with that personally. Although you'll probably get those "You're an affiliate therefore your opinion is biased" arguments thrown out more when the challenger runs out of ideas LOL.

OT, there can be a conflict of interest when money is involved of course, but in the RTG RTP instance I don't think there are any affs who are trying to financially benefit from defending RTG (the software) on CM.

Until we (you/they) see written proof from RTP, MG, Rival etc regards RTP's and who can/can't alter them, there will always be people who "heard" one thing and people who "heard" another, simple as that. Most will form an opinion based on their playing experience I expect. You "heard" from me that I don't think RTG don't allow operators to change RTP anymore and you "heard" from the originally quoted article that they do. We're both affiliates. Neither can offer written proof - we're just offering opinions. You just have to believe which ever one suits you :)
 

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