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Article on RTG

Discussion in 'Online Casinos' started by 4 of a kind, Mar 28, 2010.

    Mar 28, 2010
  1. 4 of a kind

    4 of a kind Repeated violations of forum rule 1.16 - troll

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    Real Time Gaming

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    RTG have been beset with problematic licensees from the start - their name is synonymous with headaches and heartaches for a great many people, players, portal owners and industry-observers alike. A lot of the blame can be apportioned to RTG themselves with their seemingly free-and-easy approach to licensing out the software to inappropriate clients, those without sufficient financial backing or the necessary knowledge and experience to operate successfully in the online casino business. In the early years, rarely a day went by without a problem with an RTG casino being reported to the online gambling community via one of the portal forums, ranging from physical closure of the casino without warning leaving a stack of creditors, to the frequent bonus-related problems, usually caused by over-generous promotion campaigns that cause the casino to panic retrospectively at the prospect of paying out too much, resulting in players being held to rules and regulations that were not in place when they signed up for the promotion in question. It would be impossible to list here even the major issues that we've seen over the years, several of which have been protracted and bloody.

    The software itself is lithe, light and whippy, weighing as little as five or six megabytes, and again you can chose the games you want to download without any "force-feeding"; like Cryptologic, there are some quality games, both blackjack-variant and video poker. A unique characteristic of RTG is that the individual casinos have some control over certain aspects of the software: they can set the number of decks in the blackjack games from one to eight, they can adjust the paytables on the video poker machines (a luxury some licensees have been known to abuse) and they can set the "percentage payout" on the slots. This has sometimes led to player speculation that that licensees have control over the actual functioning (or malfunctioning) of the casino's Random Number Generator. This is unlikely, and at best speculation - I've played an awful lot of RTG table and video poker games and I'm perfectly happy with the overall results.


    It states they could randomly change the RTP on the slots without having to request a change via the software provider. Who started that rumor here they had to request a change anyhow? I'd like to read the regulation that states that.

    I once noticed a pay out change while playing at a RTG site with "Let it Ride" I spoke with a CR and I was told to sign out and back in and sure enough it was back to normal. I would believe there's even more control then this article is saying.
     
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  2. Mar 28, 2010
  3. RobWin

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    4 of a kind, I don't know where you have been getting all of these articles from lately that you have been copying and posting here but someone needs to tell ya bro that what you are doing is simply article theft.

    If you are going to copy and post others hard work here, the least you can do is give them a linkback to the original source article!

    That just happens to be an article that you swiped from Caruso's site there...not cool bro!
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  5. 4 of a kind

    4 of a kind Repeated violations of forum rule 1.16 - troll

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    How do I do that?? Been getting these articles all over the place while on my crusade trying to gather regulations. I don't recall reading any copyright disclaimers.
     
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  7. RobWin

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    Like this.....

    Article Source: You must register/login in order to see the link. :)
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  8. Mar 28, 2010
  9. RobWin

    RobWin closed account

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    It is in fact copyright infringement whether the site says so or not...when that content is original to that particular site.
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  11. 4 of a kind

    4 of a kind Repeated violations of forum rule 1.16 - troll

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    Thank you, but how did you do that if you don't mind me asking?
     
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  13. RobWin

    RobWin closed account

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    You just copy the domain address in the address bar of your browser and paste it here, hold down the left mouse button and swipe backwards in the address bar until it all turns blue and then right cick on copy.

    Or you can just simply left click once in the address bar and it will automatically highlight that link and then you can copy it.
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  15. 4 of a kind

    4 of a kind Repeated violations of forum rule 1.16 - troll

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    Thank you, will do in the future.
     
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  16. Mar 28, 2010
  17. love2winalot

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    Hiya: I really am asking this from a neutral point of view. If RTG is so bad, then why does the Wizard of Oddsz say they are the best, and went so far as to get rid of all the Casino's he was endorsing, and only keep BoDog, a RTG Casino? Why is there a link at the bottom of this website to his web site, if he is promoting a, "Suspect" brand of software?

    Yes, Bodog made some changes recently, but until then, they had the same RTG setup as everyone else. I mean if, "Gone Gambling" started promoting Casino's, or Software, that was in the rogue pit here, i doupt that their link would remain on the bottom of this website?

    I am just asking, nothing else.
     
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  18. Mar 28, 2010
  19. silcnlayc

    silcnlayc Just one more spin pleez! CAG MM PABnonaccred PABaccred

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    It is called money, as in affiliate etc fees... No need to cut off a souce of income, now is it?

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  21. RobWin

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    silcnlayc, when you make broad sweeping statements like the one you made above you are bringing that persons credibility and integrity into question here as you just did regarding The Wizard Of Odds. Do you not realize this or was it intentional for you to do that?

    I think most informed posters here would agree that Michael Shackleford's credibility and reputation in this industry is beyond reproach. He is a professional actuary for gawds sake!
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  22. Mar 28, 2010
  23. Pinababy69

    Pinababy69 RIP Lisa

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    And let's not forget that it was Shackleford's analysis of the hand histories, and HIS subsequent findings ie. impossible outcomes...that finally pushed Absolute Poker into admitting what was going on. Prior to that, it was nothing but denial.
     
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  25. silcnlayc

    silcnlayc Just one more spin pleez! CAG MM PABnonaccred PABaccred

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    Why would making a living off of links be anything against his reputation and credibility? I never even considered that. You make it sound like no one makes a living off of their links and such..if he doesn't make any money and this is true, then I apologize for thinking he was in the business of making a living....otherwise, that it would affect his reputation making money never entered MY head..why did it YOURS? It also does not diminish his contributions and input and findings to others...why would you even think this is what I was saying?

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  27. RobWin

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    Because it is not fact...he makes his living from being a "professional actuary"....hence the reason I said you were making broad sweeping statements.
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  29. Simmo!

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    Added a source link to the original article :thumbsup:

    Recent information I had suggested that RTG software used to allow operators to change the RTP but after some abuse, they removed that functionality and now operators have to request it from RTG. A couple of years ago or more from what I was told, so not sure how recent that article is - might want to ask him :)

    Bodog (according to BodogBecky) bought the RTG source code a while back and changed it so Bodog is now effectively different software. They have added CTXM games (thx Alexandre) and stuff and no longer regard it as RTG, but propretary.
     
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  31. 4 of a kind

    4 of a kind Repeated violations of forum rule 1.16 - troll

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    Don't have clue how old that article is since it wasn't listed anywhere.


    "but after some abuse, they removed that functionality and now operators have to request it from RTG"

    Who told you that function was removed? Other then word of mouth, where could we read that in fact that is a regulation?
     
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  33. Simmo!

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    Was told it at a conference by the owner of an RTG casino on the accredited list when discussing Virtual Group shenanigans. I'm not sure there is documentation publically available from any software provider that confirms whether RTP can or can't be altered by licencees.
     
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  35. DiamondGeezer

    DiamondGeezer Dormant account PABnononaccred2 PABnoaccred PABaccred

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    4OAK you will have to ask Caruso direct as I believe he (cough) is no longer posting here.
     
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  36. Mar 28, 2010
  37. bernynhel

    bernynhel Dormant account PABnononaccred PABnoaccred

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    The high percentage of the most notoriously rogue casinos running RTG software, for so long, with so great a number of affiliates representing rogue operators and the live and let live attitude of legitimate RTG operators toward their rogue colleagues (even as the rogues, by association, obviously detract from the reputable site's images) combined with RTG's business as usual apathetic attitude regarding the business practices of their licensees, has fanned the flames of expansion of rogue operators (Crystal Palace Group - 9 sites, Virtual Group - 16 sites) and has all but made Real Time Gaming, itself, synonymous with the term, "rogue online casinos." All of the parties above, IMHO, are responsible, perhaps equally, perhaps unequally, for the current state of rogue RTG sites.

    Affiliates posting in this forum, naturally, have an obvious incentive to apply damage control to any post which casts dispersion on any RTG site or operator since anything that can be attributed to one RTG site can effect public opinion on all RTG sites. Perhaps it would be a good idea for all CM members who are, in fact, affiliate site operators, to be required to identify themselves as such, if not voluntarily, then by default when registering and tagged as "Affiliate Member" and not just "Meister Member" or any other, arbitrary tag of their choosing.
     
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  39. Simmo!

    Simmo! Moderator Staff Member

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    I don't think that's fair, but then I'm an affiliate so I am incentivised to say that ;) Actually I think most affiliates here are as entitled to an opinion as a player is, especially when most of the affs at Casinomeister are also players. In some cases they are player first, affiliate second in fact.

    Besides you can spot an affiliate from their signature or profile anyway if you want to ignore them.
     
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