Another I'm done period thread

[cheetahwind]

So alright, I got my 3rd call from my bank in the last 30 days regarding a certain descriptor coming through on my account. Asking me what it was for. So instead of arguing with the lady I just flat out told her. You know what I game online. I realize dumb, mistake, but hey they have it figured out anyways.
So she said well we can't let you game online, and can't let these types of charges through anyways.
So long story short I figure I'm boned from playing at a few casinos anyways now that I'm sure there going to refute the charge.
So long story short, because of the 3 phone calls in one month, asking me about a particular charge. I'm done period.
I'm no longer going to gamble online and just stick to a brick and mortar casino no more than 20 minutes away.
I just can't run the risk of having my bank call every 30 minutes asking me about this charge for jewelry in Great Britain, that nice sofa from Dubai, or that computer charging equipment I bought from Belize.
I realize yes, I could go with another prepaid card, but honestly? I'm done with even jumping through those hoops and changing providers every few months just because the current one caught up the the shenanigans I'm up to.
So until the gaming market for the US calms down. I'm done flat out period. I'll like I posted in another thread. I can go back to a brick and mortar to where at least. For 1) I can get 2 $100 free play coupons each month (no major WR attached) 2) Get 2 free steakhouse coupons good for up to $100 a month 3) get 2 free rooms each other just for playing.
I mean that's a lot of benefits compared to the following.
1) Free cash with at least a minimum of a 10X WR attached and most of the times of a max cashout of at most 10X whatever the bonus was. Most I've been able to cashout was $300. Most of the times the bare minimum to see a wire leave an online casino.
2) All these lovely match coupons based on my status with huge wagering requirements anyways.
I'm just done with it all. At first online gaming seemed fun, until I've realized all the headache attached. Plus I miss the interaction you had with the person next you and the drink attendant coming up and asking you if you want a drink.
So until regulation passes. I'm done.

 

[CoolCat]

So alright, I got my 3rd call from my bank in the last 30 days regarding a certain descriptor coming through on my account. Asking me what it was for. So instead of arguing with the lady I just flat out told her. You know what I game online. I realize dumb, mistake, but hey they have it figured out anyways.
So she said well we can't let you game online, and can't let these types of charges through anyways.
So long story short I figure I'm boned from playing at a few casinos anyways now that I'm sure there going to refute the charge.
So long story short, because of the 3 phone calls in one month, asking me about a particular charge. I'm done period.
I'm no longer going to gamble online and just stick to a brick and mortar casino no more than 20 minutes away.
I just can't run the risk of having my bank call every 30 minutes asking me about this charge for jewelry in Great Britain, that nice sofa from Dubai, or that computer charging equipment I bought from Belize.
I realize yes, I could go with another prepaid card, but honestly? I'm done with even jumping through those hoops and changing providers every few months just because the current one caught up the the shenanigans I'm up to.
So until the gaming market for the US calms down. I'm done flat out period. I'll like I posted in another thread. I can go back to a brick and mortar to where at least. For 1) I can get 2 $100 free play coupons each month (no major WR attached) 2) Get 2 free steakhouse coupons good for up to $100 a month 3) get 2 free rooms each other just for playing.
I mean that's a lot of benefits compared to the following.
1) Free cash with at least a minimum of a 10X WR attached and most of the times of a max cashout of at most 10X whatever the bonus was. Most I've been able to cashout was $300. Most of the times the bare minimum to see a wire leave an online casino.
2) All these lovely match coupons based on my status with huge wagering requirements anyways.
I'm just done with it all. At first online gaming seemed fun, until I've realized all the headache attached. Plus I miss the interaction you had with the person next you and the drink attendant coming up and asking you if you want a drink.
So until regulation passes. I'm done.

Smart move and good luck. Just in case you do feel the need to online gamble. Find a nice sportsbook/casino that accepts WU or MG. Don't make it a habit to play there too often. Because it will become boring quick, and dry spells may hit long and hard. But they will pay your fees for WU/MG Deposits and Withdrawals.

 

[same_old]

Well please still stick around for chits and giggles cheetahwind!!

I completely understand your stance and can see the flow already starting to happen in the forum.

This is where the ripple affect starts.

It's seems a global crackdown as Italy has now enforced there rule for sporksbooks now as-well by actually banning the ISP's from outside of Italy. The USA has now become REALLY hard for all of you.
Could it be due to the recent economic times so the Governments want to keep the money in the country as much as possible and now are enforcing this because the have had the time to gather all the info required to move forward with the ban?

The ripple will be less money flowing into the online casinos which will bring the payout percentages down,the slot reels changed as we have noticed to compensate for the low percentages.
This is why the main stem of threads here now days is due to lack of play or someone thinking a casino is rigged, I'm sure some are put most aren't- they are just compensating for the lack of players now days.

The good old days are gone for sure because the players have gone-don't get me wrong,some casino's will stay afloat as a lot of Countries can still play but overall I think the USA and some other countries was the bread and butter for the online gaming industry so they are hurting.

A good mate of mine was one of the IT guys for Lasseters online casino before they went bust- he told me after the USA close down that lost them over 60% of there business and were running at a loss for some years after until they closed a year or so ago.

The other part of the ripple affect will start with these new payment processors- there is going to be a new section opened up at CM soon called "rogue processors", the ones that go and do what they did to lock casino. They will wish the world to you for your money and things may go Ok for a bit but then bang, there goes your money, it's just not worth that risk with your own funds.

I at least have the advantage of Living in Australia and can also see the bad payouts, the countless deposits with no returns but I honestly don't think it is rigged, just not enough players so not as many wins.

I've only been gambling online for about 4-5 years and to be honest it would only benefit me if I did stop so it;s not that bad for me, but some of you I can understand.

I've actually had these thoughts for a while now and have only just vented this- I'm SURE others have pondered the exact same thoughts as I have.

What would be great is for Bryan to chime in and give his OFFICIAL take on all of this and what he for-sees in the future, he's he man to be asking about all of this.

Thanks for letting me rant and good luck all and be careful!!

Same_old

 

[rockycatt]

Well please still stick around for chits and giggles cheetahwind!!

I completely understand your stance and can see the flow already starting to happen in the forum.

This is where the ripple affect starts.

It's seems a global crackdown as Italy has now enforced there rule for sporksbooks now as-well by actually banning the ISP's from outside of Italy. The USA has now become REALLY hard for all of you.
Could it be due to the recent economic times so the Governments want to keep the money in the country as much as possible and now are enforcing this because the have had the time to gather all the info required to move forward with the ban?

The ripple will be less money flowing into the online casinos which will bring the payout percentages down,the slot reels changed as we have noticed to compensate for the low percentages.
This is why the main stem of threads here now days is due to lack of play or someone thinking a casino is rigged, I'm sure some are put most aren't- they are just compensating for the lack of players now days.

The good old days are gone for sure because the players have gone-don't get me wrong,some casino's will stay afloat as a lot of Countries can still play but overall I think the USA and some other countries was the bread and butter for the online gaming industry so they are hurting.

A good mate of mine was one of the IT guys for Lasseters online casino before they went bust- he told me after the USA close down that lost them over 60% of there business and were running at a loss for some years after until they closed a year or so ago.

The other part of the ripple affect will start with these new payment processors- there is going to be a new section opened up at CM soon called "rogue processors", the ones that go and do what they did to lock casino. They will wish the world to you for your money and things may go Ok for a bit but then bang, there goes your money, it's just not worth that risk with your own funds.

I at least have the advantage of Living in Australia and can also see the bad payouts, the countless deposits with no returns but I honestly don't think it is rigged, just not enough players so not as many wins.

I've only been gambling online for about 4-5 years and to be honest it would only benefit me if I did stop so it;s not that bad for me, but some of you I can understand.

I've actually had these thoughts for a while now and have only just vented this- I'm SURE others have pondered the exact same thoughts as I have.

What would be great is for Bryan to chime in and give his OFFICIAL take on all of this and what he for-sees in the future, he's he man to be asking about all of this.

Thanks for letting me rant and good luck all and be careful!!

Same_old

with all do respect , if what is being said that the tightening of play is
[and i experience it my self] is due to lack of u s a players than i

think mmmmm isp address , is it can it still be or was it ever a
true random generated result or was it orchestrated
will we ever know does the u s a cement all the gaming together
why does the problems in the USA cause low returns to players of truly random games

with all my respect R C

 

[Nate]

with all do respect , if what is being said that the tightening of play is
[and i experience it my self] is due to lack of u s a players than i

think mmmmm isp address , is it can it still be or was it ever a
true random generated result or was it orchestrated
will we ever know does the u s a cement all the gaming together
why does the problems in the USA cause low returns to players of truly random games

with all my respect R C

It's because they were never GENUINELY and TRULY Random... They are Random in dishing out the hits the programmer entered for a cycle....The Big ones are few and far between. Since there are fewer players, there are fewer spins taking it up to that big hit. But its so typical after you have a hit, you will lose the hit plus more before the next decent hit...

 

[rockycatt]

It's because they were never GENUINELY and TRULY Random... They are Random in dishing out the hits the programmer entered for a cycle....The Big ones are few and far between. Since there are fewer players, there are fewer spins taking it up to that big hit. But its so typical after you have a hit, you will lose the hit plus more before the next decent hit...

i am definitely keeping that in mind also ive been seeing some most remarkable calls and river catches at poker sites

 

[jstrike]

I at least have the advantage of Living in Australia

Same Old... In my research into setting up an online joint, I read that Oz is gonna use their internet filter wall (the one that wikileaks exposed the details of, and the one that blocks wikileaks now from Australian users, if I heard right) to completely stop access there to all casino-related sites by 2013...probably including this site too. The situation there will probably get worse than the US, since the US at least only bans the transmission of funds, and players & casinos who can figure out ways around that can still go on the sites and play.

And yeah, I couldn't agree more that government gambling bans are nothing more than a way to raise lottery revenues. It's basically the same exact thing as a local gang that runs a numbers racket, roughing up a guy who sets up a card game in their neighborhood without permission. That shit happens all the time in New York. It's called the mafia. Just one of the perks that goes with sovereignty, I guess, is that when a country does it, they get to sell this bullshit as "protecting the children", "public health", and "saving us from ourselves". Makes me think Ayn Rand had it right.

Well, show me one country that isn't run like a mafia... I'll move there. Me and probably Julian Assange, too.

 

[Mavin1]

I have said the same thing in another post, sick of having to tell my bank the charges are mine. You can't just log into your bank account and check off a flagged charge, now you have to call or receive a call from the fraud department and they lock your debit card until you clear the charges up with them.

My last one was for Music downloads, because they are looking at my banking history supposedly and say I have never paid for such a thing. Hey I thought it was my bank, my personal history, my personal business.

Well guess not, but then I knew it wasn't, just was in denial.

What is sad and screams desparation is how a casino/s will go to such extremes to keep us spending our money with them. Take away a wallet or block debits and cc's and they miraculously spit out a new avenue overnight, some fly by night that no one has ever heard of and don't even know who or what it is.

This behavior is raising red flags all over the place as, the charges come from the same places, but under different descriptors.

Beddding from Dubai
Books from Dubai
Collectables from Dubai
Auto Parts from Dubai

So because they don't stick to one code, they are now shooting themselves in their own foot.

I am sad for the whole affair, it was fun for a time as was said, but when it has become a cat and mouse game with no cheese for the effort, then what's the point anymore.

Lassaters, it was one of my very first casinos I ever played and I really liked it better than any casino I have played since. That was a sad day to see such a great casino go under because of the restrictions unfairly forced upon the US population and has been intensifiying with each passing year, not only affecting us here in this country but affecting a worldwide industry of personal freedom for everyone.

As for jumping through the hoops to keep playing, the signs tell me, it's just not worth it right now and players that continue should be wary as this restrictive government we have won't stop at just a wallet here and there, or a debit/cc card now and then. Once they have their sights set on the money coming and going, bypassing them, I truly think the last to be caught up in all this will eventually be the individual player in the end.

The difference between the days of prohabition and modern gambling is that people were still able to get their liquor because it was being smuggled within this country, harder to shut it down completely. Online gambling, there is not one casino in this country that offers it to us, so all gamming has to be done via the net, the wallets, banks and so on, which all leaves a trail of transactions.

 

[GrandMaster]

Well, show me one country that isn't run like a mafia...

Try Italy. It is run by the mafia.

 

[skiny]

It's because they were never GENUINELY and TRULY Random... They are Random in dishing out the hits the programmer entered for a cycle....The Big ones are few and far between. Since there are fewer players, there are fewer spins taking it up to that big hit. But its so typical after you have a hit, you will lose the hit plus more before the next decent hit...

This theory that the games are "set" to hit big wins after X amount of spins doesn't sound right to me. Even if it was correct, having less players wouldn't decrease the odds of hitting a jackpot, in fact it would increase them. It would take longer for someone to eventually hit one but with less players and a guaranteed eventual jackpot, the remaining players would have a better chance of hitting it provided they played long enough for it to hit.

With a million spins between guaranteed jackpots and 10,000 players everyone gets 100 spins each and it hits. 100 out of 1,000,000 spins. The chance that YOU hit the jackpot are 1/10,000.

Now with 1000 players everyone gets 1000 spins each before it hits provided they all keep playing. 1000 out of 1,000,000. Now the chance that YOU hit the jackpot are now 1/1000.

But either way the chances of any particular spin hitting a jackpot would still be 1 in a million.

This would also hold true for all other payouts. If these payouts were programmed to trigger after X amount of spins and 10,000 people were winning their wager back or more an average of 20% of the time, 1000 people playing would still be holding the same average because every spin that you would have lost would be replaced by one that someone else would have won and vice versa. In the long run the average payouts would remain the same regardless of how many people were spinning the slot.

I'm sure there would be variances where some people would get more of the winning spins and some more of the losing spins but those variances would exist regardless of how many people were playing.

I'm fairly certain that the only 2 ways a large amount of people could experience a decreased payout percentage over an extended amount of time is either everyone playing gets really unlucky for a year or so or the payout percentages are intentionally decreased. Now, I'm not saying they are but if the payouts are all predetermined, less people playing would not amount to less wins per player.

 

[skiny]

Oh, and cheetahwind... A lot of people are fed up with losing, not being able to deposit, not being able to withdrawal, not being able to contact the casino, not being able to keep the toast crumbs out of the margarine... but we all still keep coming around here anyway.

You don't need to place any bets to talk about gambling.

 

[jelsmith]

Leaving crumbs in the margarine will get you kicked outta bed ask around

 

[rockycatt]

im not even gonna mention the jelly

 

[same_old]

with all do respect , if what is being said that the tightening of play is
[and i experience it my self] is due to lack of u s a players than i

think mmmmm isp address , is it can it still be or was it ever a
true random generated result or was it orchestrated
will we ever know does the u s a cement all the gaming together
why does the problems in the USA cause low returns to players of truly random games

with all my respect R C

Yeah I completely understand and agree with that. I'm sure if you had of being playing when the USA was allowed to gamble online we would noticed a massive change in the payouts etc.

Yes even though you have been playing still the last few years im sure it is not near as enough Americans that have played in the past, hence me saying the payout percentages have dropped.

My personal belief is to stop gambling online for now until the Governments decied on what they are going to do, and to be honest it seems like a long wait because there is SO much other shit on the table right now for the Governments it's not funny.

Best to stick with your brick and Mortars like Cheetah was saying- at least you get comped more and dont have to go through so many hoops just to punt.

A possible solution would be if we ALL banned together and played at only one or two casinos, this would bring the client level up as well as the percentages.
Slots will pay more if more people re playing them.

Again, this is only MY own observation but im sure I have hit the nail on the head with some of my thoughts.

 

[skiny]

Leaving crumbs in the margarine will get you kicked outta bed ask around

That's not really much of a threat. I live alone and I still sleep on the couch.

 

[Nate]

This theory that the games are "set" to hit big wins after X amount of spins doesn't sound right to me.

Not after X amount of Spins but rather randomly within that cycle. There are obviously more ZERO and LOW wins than big wins in the cycle. Typically, the Jackpot can hit at anytime BUT the Jackpot will only hit once. Because the Big wins are fewer, you will find that after a hit, it may take time for a big hit to come through again.

From anyones experience, how often (being the operative word) have you had back to back FS's or Hits that were just GREAT. It does happen but not often.. My point being, if there were so many fantastic hits programmed in the cycle we would see more of them and not have to spin 200 -1000 spins before they appear.

Nate

 

[skiny]

Not after X amount of Spins but rather randomly within that cycle. There are obviously more ZERO and LOW wins than big wins in the cycle. Typically, the Jackpot can hit at anytime BUT the Jackpot will only hit once. Because the Big wins are fewer, you will find that after a hit, it may take time for a big hit to come through again.

From anyones experience, how often (being the operative word) have you had back to back FS's or Hits that were just GREAT. It does happen but not often.. My point being, if there were so many fantastic hits programmed in the cycle we would see more of them and not have to spin 200 -1000 spins before they appear.

Nate

Maybe I'm unclear on what you mean about randomly hitting something within a cycle but the only way to program something to happen randomly within a given amount of instances would be to increase the odds each instance.

For example if the odds of hitting a jackpot were 1 in a million immediately after one was hit then the odds would be increased to 1 in 999,999 on the second spin and 1 in 999,9998 on the third spin and so on. Eventually the odds would become 1 in 1 and it would have no choice but to hit. But if the odds remain 1 in a million it's possible the jackpot could never hit or hit twice in row although very unlikely.

Personally I doubt any casino wants to guarantee a jackpot or a free spin. They're probably quite content knowing the odds say you might never hit a jackpot and that free spins are going to be few and far between.

Regarding free spins, what you will probably find if you had a large enough sample is that if you took all of your free spins and divided them by their respective multipliers, the game is paying out a much smaller payout percentage on free spin bonuses than in regular play. Maybe a 95% payout percentage on regular play and a 35% payout percentage on free spin bonuses. That's is more likely way so many free spin bonuses crap out. Because the odds of hitting anything substantial on a free spin bonus are about 3 times worse than hitting the same thing on regular play.

That would explain why if you take all of your game play (free spins + regular spins) the average still comes out to about 90%.

 

[UriahHeep]

Try Italy. It is run by the mafia.

thank you for your amazing post, GrandMaster.

 

[Mousey]

I took a long break when NETeller got 'seized'. then when I 'came back' I didn't play much because I was still very leary of the entire online gambling climate.

Currently... I haven't played in over a year. I'm disgusted with the industry as a whole, and too old and tired and busy with other things to spend all my free time trying to figure out how to get funds from point A to point B (and back again, should lightning strike) only to see $50 deposits disappear in 5 minutes low rolling.

And with the current adversarial mindset of the casinos, who's to say I would get paid if I won anyway? A player so much as sneezes while playing and they might get the old 'not playing in the spirit', 'advantage player', 'you used a pencil and paper to track your WR', 'your bets were too big', your bets were too small', 'you changed your bets too often', 'you flat bet too much', 'you didn't play more than the WR, nevermind that we don't tell you how much you're supposed to play'....(what you might call the " dammit! you won, you're not supposed to WIN, you can't have your money") terms.

It just ain't worth it. /rant

 

[nisosbar]

And with the current adversarial mindset of the casinos, who's to say I would get paid if I won anyway? A player so much as sneezes while playing and they might get the old 'not playing in the spirit', 'advantage player', 'you used a pencil and paper to track your WR', 'your bets were too big', your bets were too small', 'you changed your bets too often', 'you flat bet too much', 'you didn't play more than the WR, nevermind that we don't tell you how much you're supposed to play'....(what you might call the " dammit! you won, you're not supposed to WIN, you can't have your money") terms.

It just ain't worth it. /rant

Precisely why I have essentially stopped depositing at Rival.

 

[Mousey]

Precisely why I have essentially stopped depositing at Rival.

Yeah, well... it's not just places like Rival that have been screwing over players. Have you read the Betfair thread? Highly reputable casino/sportsbook sent out a poorly configured (for them) bonus, saw how hard they were being hit, locked accounts, confiscated winnings... even pulled a withdrawal back from a player's bank. Seems the players weren't playing in the 'spirit'...

https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/betfair-bonus-fiasco.41102/

Even tho we US players can't play there, to me, it's just another indication that the online casino industry in general has become totally predatory.